What controls the hologram?

[observer]

Ray, I don't have much energy to deal with this tonight, but allow me to point-out just a few short comments.

In one of your earlier statements you made the observation that none of the scientists used as reference in the Holographic Universe Videos stated "absolutely", regarding the Model. Since we are discussing evidence one may find within this particular reality that might point to an hyperdimensional control mechanism, allow me to point-out that very seldom, if ever, will you find a credentialed Ph.D. scientist confirm "absolutely" with regard to any theory. However, you will rarely, if ever, find one who will apply a "possibility statement" to a theory to which he does not subscribe. So please.... let's at least get real on that one.

It would also be appreciated, by many of the members reading this thread, if those wishing only to debunk the material being discussed, would they please stop playing "word games" with the terms "objective" and "subjective". I have been more than clear several times throughout this thread, that we are speaking of "witnessing" type testimonies as being subjective. Interpretations of evidence are obviously subjective. If one wishes to interject his personal interpretation of the evidence, no one is stopping that. We welcome all objective evidence. However, if one wishes to present documents gleaned from channeled sources, or to "testify" to their own personal Astral Plane experiences, then again, I ask to refrain. There is no objective evidence to prove those kinds of testimonies are not being cleverly manipulated. Were this thread allowed to continue, without all the argumentative comments, we may actually discover some objective evidence to this fact.

In your most recent comment #153 you stated:

" Briefly...I would state that the hologram principle that is being presented is false...because a hologram is a light phenomena and life in the 3D world is primarily a matter phenomena. "

I have addressed this issue repeatedly throughout this thread. The double-slit experiment forming the basis of understanding within this thread, involves electrons, and not photons. Electrons are quanta particles of matter, photons are quanta particles of light. Within the Holographic Universe Model it is theorized that (from the double slit experiment) because electrons exist as wave-form, and only appear as particle-form when observed, "matter doesn't exist until it is being observed".

Please stop twisting the facts as they are clearly defined within this thread.

[Hervé]

Photon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is about the elementary particle of light. For other uses, see Photon (disambiguation).

A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances. Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.

Wave–particle duality

... While the energy of ejected electrons reflected Planck's constant, the existence of photons was not explicitly proven until the discovery of the photon antibunching effect, of which a modern experiment can be performed in undergraduate-level labs.[6] This phenomenon could only be explained via photons, and not through any semi-classical theory (which could alternatively explain the photoelectric effect). When Einstein received his Nobel Prize in 1921, it was not for his more difficult and mathematically laborious special and general relativity, but for the simple, yet totally revolutionary, suggestion of quantized light. Einstein's "light quanta" would not be called photons until 1925, but even in 1905 they represented the quintessential example of wave–particle duality. Electromagnetic radiation propagates following linear wave equations, but can only be emitted or absorbed as discrete elements, thus acting as a wave and a particle simultaneously.



Now, taking the above into consideration, it follows that anything displaying the same behaviour of wave-particle -- from electrons to buckyballs -- are necessarily obeying the same laws and are therefore built on the same blueprint/model/structure.

Thus, separating photon from electron is an arbitrary distinction since electrons are made, in part, of photons.

The blueprint/model/structure on which these "particles" of matter are built is best explained by David Lapoint's "The Primer Fields":

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9EPlyiW-xGI

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2NogyJ0k8Kw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lpI6ikj1G-s

[lookbeyond]

I am still interested in observers perspective on this topic and despite the delays sincerely hope he will continue as he had planned- fellow readers, shall we give some space to allow?

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[heyokah]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Photon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Photon


This article is about the elementary particle of light. For other uses, see Photon (disambiguation).

A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of light and all other forms of electromagnetic radiation, and the force carrier for the electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons. The effects of this force are easily observable at both the microscopic and macroscopic level, because the photon has no rest mass; this allows for interactions at long distances. Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.

Wave–particle duality

... While the energy of ejected electrons reflected Planck's constant, the existence of photons was not explicitly proven until the discovery of the photon antibunching effect, of which a modern experiment can be performed in undergraduate-level labs.[6] This phenomenon could only be explained via photons, and not through any semi-classical theory (which could alternatively explain the photoelectric effect). When Einstein received his Nobel Prize in 1921, it was not for his more difficult and mathematically laborious special and general relativity, but for the simple, yet totally revolutionary, suggestion of quantized light. Einstein's "light quanta" would not be called photons until 1925, but even in 1905 they represented the quintessential example of wave–particle duality. Electromagnetic radiation propagates following linear wave equations, but can only be emitted or absorbed as discrete elements, thus acting as a wave and a particle simultaneously.



Now, taking the above into consideration, it follows that anything displaying the same behaviour of wave-particle -- from electrons to buckyballs -- are necessarily obeying the same laws and are therefore built on the same blueprint/model/structure.

Thus, separating photon from electron is an arbitrary distinction since electrons are made, in part, of photons.

The blueprint/model/structure on which these "particles" of matter are built is best explained by David Lapoint's "The Primer Fields":

Dear Amzer, Also from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Photon ......
I hereby give the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

From the chapter Wave–particle duality and uncertainty principles


Both photons and material particles such as electrons create analogous interference patterns when passing through a double-slit experiment.
For photons, this corresponds to the interference of a Maxwell light wave whereas, for material particles, this corresponds to the interference of the Schrödinger wave equation. Although this similarity might suggest that Maxwell's equations are simply Schrödinger's equation for photons, most physicists do not agree.

For one thing, they are mathematically different; most obviously, Schrödinger's one equation solves for a complex field, whereas Maxwell's four equations solve for real fields.

More generally, the normal concept of a Schrödinger probability wave function cannot be applied to photons. Being massless, they cannot be localized without being destroyed; technically, photons cannot have a position eigenstate , and, thus, the normal Heisenberg uncertainty principle does not pertain to photons.

[Hervé]

Except for light bending around massive objects creating "gravitational lensing"... indicating that photons have indeed some mass...

A gravitational lens refers to a distribution of matter (such as a cluster of galaxies) between a distant source (a background galaxy) and an observer, that is capable of bending (lensing) the light from the source, as it travels towards the observer. This effect is known as gravitational lensing and is one of the predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.

Although Orest Chwolson is credited as being the first to discuss the effect in print in 1924, the effect is more commonly associated with Einstein, who published a more famous article on the subject in 1936.

Fritz Zwicky posited in 1937 that the effect could allow galaxy clusters to act as gravitational lenses. It was not until 1979 that this effect was confirmed by observation of the so-called "Twin QSO" SBS 0957+561.

[heyokah]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Except for light bending around massive objects creating "gravitational lensing"... indicating that photons have indeed some mass...

A gravitational lens refers to a distribution of matter (such as a cluster of galaxies) between a distant source (a background galaxy) and an observer, that is capable of bending (lensing) the light from the source, as it travels towards the observer. This effect is known as gravitational lensing and is one of the predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.

Although Orest Chwolson is credited as being the first to discuss the effect in print in 1924, the effect is more commonly associated with Einstein, who published a more famous article on the subject in 1936.

Fritz Zwicky posited in 1937 that the effect could allow galaxy clusters to act as gravitational lenses. It was not until 1979 that this effect was confirmed by observation of the so-called "Twin QSO" SBS 0957+561.

So? And? Or do you just want to have the last word, whether useful/relevant or not?

What does this add to the actual question here, being What controls the hologram?

If you don't agree with the idea of this question, feel free to reply in other threads.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[Hervé]

Just that whatever Observer has in mind to do with this thread is based on a flawed premise which doesn't lend much credence to whatever is built upon that flawed premise.

So long and thank you for the fish!

[heyokah]

Just your personal opinion Amzer.

Some other members just wanting to have the last word in this word/ego game?

add

This last remark was not my nicest. I apologize.
But I get so tired of all this....

[Finefeather]

Hi observer
Hope you will be feeling stronger soon...you mentioned you did not have much energy in your last post. Look after yourself old friend...we love you.

Posted by observer (here)
In one of your earlier statements you made the observation that none of the scientists used as reference in the Holographic Universe Videos stated "absolutely", regarding the Model. Since we are discussing evidence one may find within this particular reality that might point to an hyperdimensional control mechanism, allow me to point-out that very seldom, if ever, will you find a credentialed Ph.D. scientist confirm "absolutely" with regard to any theory. However, you will rarely, if ever, find one who will apply a "possibility statement" to a theory to which he does not subscribe. So please.... let's at least get real on that one.

I agree entirely with you here, but is this not the whole crux of the argument we seem to be having on this thread? We are trying to determine the validity of information...by your own request...and all that is been offered so far is that there is reason to be doubtful of the possibilities which the scientists, mentioned, have made. So if you are comfortable with the theory of these scientists then what makes the theory of others invalid? If you believe we are all been manipulated then what makes the scientists immune to this?

I look forward to moving on from here...enjoying the thread...thanks.

Take care...and sending you strength and peace.
Ray

[Beren]

Honestly I wasn't following the whole thread but this theme reappears all the time, namely what/who is behind the curtain.
Answer is: we all are.
I mean we as humans in bodies , ourselves in spirit form and other beings who are not in body form.

But it's tricky. How?

Free will granted upon us is leading us to see that all that we think say and act will result on either way upon us.

But here's the catch, in the full consciousness we know what we do.
In limited we don't fully.

So whatever we ever did was our own choice. Full stop.

But some entities figured out that because of their fall in their own consciousness - that they can reap energy in great amounts from other beings.
They felt when further from the source that they are lacking power and that they are transforming into something ugly so they wanted badly to have this energy of life again.
But since of their pride and ego they didn't want to change for better , they decided to steal or generate energy form others in universe.

Since you just cannot steal an energy from another being fully conscious, you have to make a diversion in order that you steal some energy.
Fully conscious being will not ever give you their energy for misuse.

But being in lower conscience will give you their energy without fully realizing what they are doing.

In order for energy thieves to steal, they create various illusions or tricks in which essence lies FEAR.
Fear of loss, or any other thing.

Imposing this maya upon other beings they create false sense of urgency to act on various ways. Hence soul now thinks that it HAS to act this or that way.
Precisely here lies the deception. A false premise that YOU HAVE TO ACT OR EVERYTHING FALLS APART.

In reality you don't have to do anything-even if everything falls apart.

So let's sum it up;
an entity makes a maya to trick you.
You embrace the illusion that it's actually your will.
You act.

They reap the energy from you.

And everything functions like a clock for ages.
But we should never forget that whatever one thinks acts and says, will ultimately bring the fruit to them.

So they can try to evade that actually it wasn't their action but the soul's which led to certain deed.
But if we don't see the main thought which led to the problem, Source sees all. And Source will face everybody with their own actions.

The ones who control the hologram of maya or illusion will face their actions and utterly be judged by the same value they acted upon others.

Our salvation lies in an active will to be one with Source's love.
So we can see , so we can feel so we can act from higher ground.
So we can see tricksters and entities who disrupt us.

Once we pin them down, we are free.

I'm talking collectively.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by corson (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Here is something which IMO is a lot closer to the truth than anything I have ever heard by those who just have not had the actual experience.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FTq0xjJaWkw

Finefeather, this is excellent, thank you for posting. it has opened my eyes widely!
warmest regards, corson

This a very accurate account ( besides the dogmatic tilt ) on how it works in the spirit realms. I am only half way through , i must make a correction , the Lord Deamon does not have fangs or blood dripping from its teeth lol this is her interpretation of its presence when it came to her. When we sense beings of holographic nature they come to us in a blend of them + our belief = visual depiction. Because these things have Intent that can change their visual depiction. Intent min terms of Holograph with regard to Photons i believe are subjective to our beliefs.

I would hypothesise the photons making up this holographic depiction is greatly influenced by Intent + Belief = Depiction.

Naniu

[Beren]

Unmasking the demons is a formidable task and not for the faint of heart.
They are in gruesome forms ( at least they show like that to others whom they encounter) but their inner spark isn`t dark. It`s just deeply buried and forgotten by the very being who became a demon.

Why they appear in monster forms?
To instill fear-to paralyze the opponents.
Reptilians and such all for one goal.

Thus never fear should be the mantra in our experience.

Remembering who we are and being united with Source helps a lot in dealing with these tricky issues.
Their inner core still belongs to Source as all is belonging to the Source.
We need to cut down the monster to release the inner core which is dormant and forgotten by intention.

Then the hologram falls apart.

[observer]

Posted by Beren (here)
Unmasking the demons is a formidable task and not for the faint of heart.
They are in gruesome forms ( at least they show like that to others whom they encounter) but their inner spark isn`t dark. It`s just deeply buried and forgotten by the very being who became a demon.

Why they appear in monster forms?
To instill fear-to paralyze the opponents.
Reptilians and such all for one goal.

Thus never fear should be the mantra in our experience.

Remembering who we are and being united with Source helps a lot in dealing with these tricky issues.
Their inner core still belongs to Source as all is belonging to the Source.
We need to cut down the monster to release the inner core which is dormant and forgotten by intention.

Then the hologram falls apart.

Thank you Beren for pointing-out how you believe the Control Mechanism can be disassembled. Overcoming fear has a significant amount to do with it.

However, "understanding" (knowledge) is the key to disassembling the mechanism.... Mass Understanding.

[Keep in mind, 'knowledge' is the 'forbidden fruit'. Knowledge of the control mechanism, and how that mechanism works it the part that is 'forbidden']

It is easy for one to read into your interpretation the telepathically implanted concept of "Fear is our Enemy". This is a universal truth which is given to certify a much bigger lie.

Where, within this generally accepted rhetoric, does this interpretation account for endless a$$-biting loops of birth-death-rebirth.... all appearing to be nothing more than a crap-shoot? .... all reoccurring over millennia of time with no, or hardly any, recollection of the former?

A "malevolent controller behind the curtain" does account for this quite apparent phenomenon. All one need do is review the records from antiquity, gleaned from around the globe, and one will quickly realize there is a commonality to the concept of reincarnation. This commonality found in totally disassociated cultures is a key point of objective evidence. It is not a myth, as your Fundamentalist Christians would have you believe, because as has already been stated, "everything we think we understand is a lie".

[Beren]

Thank you Beren for pointing-out how you believe the Control Mechanism can be disassembled. Overcoming fear has a significant amount to do with it.

However, "understanding" (knowledge) is the key to disassembling the mechanism.... Mass Understanding.

[Keep in mind, 'knowledge' is the 'forbidden fruit'. Knowledge of the control mechanism, and how that mechanism works it the part that is 'forbidden']

It is easy for one to read into your interpretation the telepathically implanted concept of "Fear is our Enemy". This is a universal truth which is given to certify a much bigger lie.

Where, within this generally accepted rhetoric, does this interpretation account for endless a$$-biting loops of birth-death-rebirth.... all appearing to be nothing more than a crap-shoot? .... all reoccurring over millennia of time with no, or hardly any, recollection of the former?

A "malevolent controller behind the curtain" does account for this quite apparent phenomenon. All one need do is review the records from antiquity, gleaned from around the globe, and one will quickly realize there is a commonality to the concept of reincarnation. This commonality found in totally disassociated cultures is a key point of objective evidence. It is not a myth, as your Fundamentalist Christians would have you believe, because as has already been stated, "everything we think we understand is a lie".

Thanks for the reply.
I don`t know why you are placing me into a fundamental Christian basket...seems like that you have this conclusion by my comments in the forum, when in fact I never had the "view" you`re attaching to me, just common sense when dealing with Bible and God...
But it`s ok. You are free to think of me whatever you wish.

What happened to you in all those years as you were exploring the worlds seen and unseen that you have this attitude of negation of other people`s experiences?

By your own account and judgement of other`s views and experiences, what makes you think that anyone would trust your view at all?

Just because you say that you found "objective evidences" in David Icke and rest of the links you post?

I call you to raise above your current perception and see that life isn`t that much dark as you perceive it.
Struggles and fights-yes but I don`t know why you put that much power into controllers hands by repeatedly stating "they are cleaver in what they do"
It sounds like Denethor from LOTR who lost all his hope because he glanced into Palantir and believed Sauron`s might has no equal.

Have faith in Love.
In Good.

It`s always darkest before the dawn...and don`t buy all the things you saw that dark ones have in power...

Reincarnation?

You look form Earthly point of view-limited one.
Can you explain why-the reason of souls`s whereabouts in the whole wide universe?

Can you explain how Earth rotates in space?
Can you explain and evidence how Sun is life giving Star for Earth`s life?
Can you explain why and how life is abundant on Earth but is not on Moon or other planets in our system?

Can you?

Then can you explain all the reasons why one soul came here in the first place?
Can you fathom all the possibilities of one soul and places and dimensions where it can be simultaneously?




Then why do you ask continuously these question of hologram and deny the possibility that someone explains to you what`s going on?
Who hurt you this much that you refuse other`s views and help?

It starts to sound like you are preaching your own gospel and whoever isn`t agreeing with you , you label them.
It seems that you doubt in good much but believe in evil more...

WHY?

[observer]

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
WHY?

Because, Beren, it must be obvious to all that Evil is winning, here within this particular reality.

Your perceptions of my character, which you elaborated on within your comment, are purely your perceptions based on that which I've been trying to point-out ever since we first met back in the 'Bible' Thread.

If one were to follow my comments, through the forums, one will see that I always give documentation in those comments. Much of those links are to the fact that, "everything we think we understand, is a lie".

I wasn't labeling you a Fundamentalist Christian, I was making reference to what the Bible is, and how it was created - out of a lie. Much of the book is fundamental truth, but that truth is only there to certify the bigger lie.

Like many of the other members, the words I say are taken personally. This is indicative of one's ideologies being questioned.... attacked.... even shattered.

Try to use a lesson from history, don't assassinate the messenger....

[Beren]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Beren (here)
[....snip]
WHY?

Because, Beren, it must be obvious to all that Evil is winning, here within this particular reality.

Your perceptions of my character, which you elaborated on within your comment, are purely your perceptions based on that which I've been trying to point-out ever since we first met back in the 'Bible' Thread.

If one were to follow my comments, through the forums, one will see that I always give documentation in those comments. Much of those links are to the fact that, "everything we think we understand, is a lie".

I wasn't labeling you a Fundamentalist Christian, I was making reference to what the Bible is, and how it was created - out of a lie. Much of the book is fundamental truth, but that truth is only there to certify the bigger lie.

Like many of the other members, the words I say are taken personally. This is indicative of one's ideologies being questioned.... attacked.... even shattered.

Try to use a lesson from history, don't assassinate the messenger....

I don`t agree with you.
I am just interested in your motives since you believe you got all the answers right.
I don`t think so.
What makes you think for example David Icke is right and for example Finefeather isn`t?



Yes , I am taking personally all the things that I see and experience because the mere fact that I am seeing it or observing it makes me experience all on a personal level.
Further on it`s my decision will this or that bother me at all.

If you believe that evil is winning, then what you will do about it?
Fight them on their level of technology?

Equip yourself with non made public tech so you can fight the ones who control?

I have to remind you that your evidence are not always valid and yet you firmly think they are.
In another words you believe in them.

For example I do not. At least in many things that you present here, yet I see that you are trying to call people for action-which is OK.

So what are we going to do now in solving the world`s problems?
What when in fact one minor earthquake in Earth`s timeless experience can destroy whole civilization of ours...

What are we going to do from your perspective to solve all this-to stop the evil?
How?

By playing their game of war games?
By fearing for our lives since they are winning?

I say no to all this.
I go to the root of the problem - not to the outer layer.
And many here do-don`t judge them. Believe in them as much you believe in evil who is winning.

And yes, I will always take thing personally. You might aswell, since it`s your own life at stake aswell as anyone here and in the world.

[observer]

This thread is not an: "I'm right v. you're right" debate. It is an investigation. An investigation into evidence.... hard physical (objective) evidence.

Finefeather's testimonies are much like a Fundamentalist Christian would "witness" his personal religious experiences. There really is no difference to any subjective "testimonies".

David Icke is only one of the many investigators who I could reference. I'm speaking of individuals who are investigating real physical evidence.

This is why I've asked those wishing to give their own personal witnessing experiences to refrain from commenting within this thread.

This investigation is pointing to the conclusion that the Quantum Field/Astral Plane is cleverly manipulated. This is a conclusion that has been reached by a litany of investigators. This thread is about drawing attention to this irrefutable fact. This is why I often say, "they are very clever at what they do".

Using evidence that was gleaned from the Astral Plane, no matter how convincing it may sound, is similar to using circular logic in a debate. One cannot use testimony recovered from the very place in question (the Astral Plane, or as I prefer, the Quantum Field).

Believing the telepathic message will gain nothing. The knowledge of how they do it is the only way to break the hypnotic spell....

[Beren]

You didn`t answered my question. And I am not debating you in a sense who is right or wrong. Tell me, now how just you want to have an evidence about beings who are in another dimension with evidence which are hard physical ones as you imply?
Yes Astral as you call it or even better quantum field is full of many different things.

But for example I am not talking about Astral as you think so.
But here`s the thing, that whatever one might say here, you`re quick to dismantle their evidences and things as "unqualified" evidence or "not objective".
You still didn`t answer how do you think to prove others that your sources are "objective" vs. mine or others...

But let`s carry on here;

because of this kind of problem here, you will never get your intended reply here or elsewhere, hence will be disappointed.
I cannot help you in this nor anyone else because you have your own limits self imposed. You simply do not accept anything here as evidence.

Progress = zero.

As a matter of fact you start to sound like Niki a former member here who upon every evidence of an offer would ask the same question.

Let`s carry on.

For example you find out that there are group of entities which are residing in another frequency band upon Earth and have sufficient tech which is used to control a piece of Earth.
What are you going to do about it?

If I say that you should ask God (Source of life) for help- you would then defy me saying that it`s worthless since I am under a program.
But then under which program you are if you have this line of thoughts?

Let me tell you a secret which isn`t really but for some is: being one with Creator of life - Source, is merging you with the most sophisticating technology that exist everywhere in all life.

Life itself.

But here`s the catch, you cannot see this and understand this until you are one with God.

Sure, you may imply further that this is a program or lie or whatever you wish for.
You are free to do that.

Just remember - you are a child of God. And despite ALL that you may think or do, still the fire of life is within you, a God`s particle.

[Flash]

There is a difference between critical thinking and bottom line provable 3D objective evidence. Critical thinking does not necessarily need objective evidence. However, in some posts, observer would want critical thinking, yet, in other, he ask for objective 3D down to earth provable evidence. Both do not necessarily go together. And some concepts are not provable, if they were, Einsteins theories would still not exist, let alone Tesla. There would be not advance in science, since research almost always starts out on theories, by definition, not proven yet, but to be hopefully proven or disprovened through research.

By dismissing critical thinking on concept right away because they are subjective, you are, in my idea, going away from evolution and discoveries. We may as well accept creationism.

I have seen critical thinking based on personal evidence rejected by the op for not being objective.

I have seen Beren and Finefeather being qualified as fundamentalist christians or bible people by one strike of the hand, without considering, through critical thinking, their impact.

I have seen Finefeather, Beren, Amer zo, Carmody, and much more asking for a more open discussing, including personal and objective experiences.

This thread is already a fantastic one because of the inputs of great minds and hearts. It could be much more interesting without personal qualitficationss of others (which is very subjective), just with plain open heart and mind, while keeping a critical thinking track.

I wonder what stops you Observer???? Wanting to be right?? I cannot believe that from you, this would be much too "thinking petit" small thinking for you. So, what stops you form opening heart and mind to listen and discuss?

You have here a wonderful thread, just let it participate in the stream of life with all that it involves (personal, objective, heart, mind, research,name it)

I have not participated but have been following,

With all my love and support

Flash

[CD7]

So much time is spent on the syntactical..of all sorts, language, psyche, meanings, justifications, translations, distillations tht the real meat of it never seems to ever b sorted out--EVER Is tht just the nature of a forum program!? who knows---but i would imagine, since "they" are so clever using all of their tools to figure out the game wouldnt fair well as it would just keep feeding into the same machine? Back to square zero

i just simply wonder if the only clarity on anything for all here would b the complete transformation of everything we know