Are the aliens really demons....?

[ThePythonicCow]

Well ... looks like if this thread has a useful message, it's getting lost in the noise.

I'm closing it for now (however long "now" is), while I look around.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
I'm closing it for now (however long "now" is), while I look around.

This thread is reopen now, and Borden is enjoying (hopefully) a three day cooling off period .

[Frank Hewitt]

despite i am not really focused in that area in particular i do have made a little bit of research on that. You can see this movie if you havent https://youtube.com/watch?v=B7UlQ3N7P3k . I have to say that i am not a christian, in fact my philosophical system is based on george oshawa and lao tse but, as david icke says, knowledge can be used for good or for evil, he talks about the solar logos and the ascended masters as many of us do but that does no necessarily means that we are helping the iluminati. About the portals and all those kinds of stuff i know about the chakras that gaea has, here in mexico we got a lot of energy vortexes of energy, many of which have pyramids and the iluminati have built churches on the like in the pyramid of cholula, i cannot go deeply into that because it is dangerous but going back to the portals, in Argentina there is a fake indigo child called matias de stefano which pragmatically says that there are 10 dimensions and talks about them, he does massive "meditations" in fron of obelisks and pyramids worshiping lucifer and publicly supports the iluminati!, the opening of the portals is related also to the story of saint german, some people say that he imprisioned lucifer in another dimension

[mojo]

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[sheme]

If Demons exist in your vibration you will fight to keep them alive- no matter what the outcome of their survival . I learned to ignore mine by opening the wardrobe door and taking a look over fifty years ago. simple

Here we have a mutual society for the protection of Demons. Sometimes it helps to state the obvious. Light and love for all your dark corners.

[Mulder]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Mulder (here)

Posted by Borden (here)
What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.

I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs...
Take care and much love
Ray

Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dKMZDGKBxtU

[Finefeather]

Posted by Mulder (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Mulder (here)

Posted by Borden (here)
What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.

I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs...
Take care and much love
Ray

Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.

Hi Mulder
Nice to converse with you despite the controversy of the topic. Just off topic for a second... My surname is Mulder...I am Ray Mulder and I notice you are from Ireland...my brother in-law is Irish from Clonmel and they now live in SA. His name is Ian Hetherington...small world

I listened to the section you mentioned and my first most strongest impression about him is that he is a deep Christian...now be sure to know that I have no problem with that...
Most staunch Christians believe in Demons and Fallen Angels. This is the fundamental point they use to get you to believe you are in deep trouble and if you do not turn to Jesus or God, you are doomed.
A fear tactic to get you to believe...it's "turn or burn".
Well actually there is some truth in that thinking, hidden in there somewhere, although a little dramatic... Of course there are Demons, they are merely our brothers who have 'fallen' deeper into the evil that exists than others...and we have given them many names, like...Demons and Archons.
There are also other phenomena, like powerful demonic astral created beings who feed off our emotions, greed and fear.
Which ever is the one you might meet is powerless against the power of love...they often are strong because they operate in the heavy dense frequencies...but remember who you are...an immortal Spiritual Being of incredible power and beauty. This old idiom just came to mind..."Sticks and stones may break my bones...but words will never hurt me"...
Take care and much love
Ray

[humanalien]

Posted by Borden (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Mulder (here)

Posted by Borden (here)
What's a demon?...

Steve Quayle defined "Demon" as a dis-embodied"fallen angel", in contrast to fallen angels with bodies like the Nephalim.

I have no idea who Steve Quayle is...so I'll just leave him to his own thoughts and beliefs.

What I can offer is that there is no such thing as a fallen angel...this is a misinterpreted concept created out of ignorance of the writings from which it was gleaned.
The real meaning is to do with falling down into the lower realms...every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.
We are all Immortal Spiritual Beings...including the, so called, 'demons'...who have chosen to 'fall' into the physical realm to acquire a higher and deeper understanding of the nature of consciousness.
Some just get caught deeper into the darkness than others and need more time to find their way out...next time you see a demon...be sure to offer him a helping hand...
Nothing sinister here...just an opportunity to be of service.
Take care and much love
Ray

Thank you for replying.

That is hand-me-down rubbish.

You have latched on to other people's mythologies.

I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that your motives are positive. You people have no idea what you're up against. You would have to elevate your thinking several notches to understand how you're being played.

If you won't decide to be brilliant then you are lost.

If we don't know what we are up against, Do you?
Do you know what we are up against?

[onawah]

Another Avalon Englishman has suggested to me that Borden's remarks may not have been meant as insults, but were taken by us out of context because of the somewhat different way that the English have of expressing themselves.
Looking back over the thread, I can see how that may be the case, and also that it may have devolved from there because of misunderstanding.
Just a tempest in a teapot, in any case, but hopefully worth mentioning, if it will help clear up any misunderstanding.

[music]

every single person on this planet is a 'fallen' angel if you just realized the true nature of your Being.

I would have to agree. Why do we feel the need to construct mythologies and cosmologies that disempower us? Why do we seek out this "guru", or sit at the feet of that "teacher", when we ourselves are the very essence we so fervently seek?

[jackovesk]

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[araucaria]

Many people on this thread are objecting to the farmyard description of the human predicament – rightly so in my view. So let’s try something else.

One thing we can all agree upon I think is that we are somewhere that we don’t want to be and can’t find the way out. It is a kind of maze – you have to work on the basis that there is a way out, it is just extremely hard to find – maybe even a passage will have to be forced at some point.

Getting out of a maze on your own is a pretty hopeless task unless you have an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, i.e. a paper trail recording how you got there in the first place.

Getting out as a group becomes easier the larger and the more cohesive the group. If everyone joins hands and moves around together, they themselves become an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, or rather, by covering as much ground as possible, they become an ‘Ariadne’s sweater’ Haphazard exploration becomes systematic until someone finds the exit; from that point on, there will be a purposeful movement in the right direction and everyone just follows the crowd.

The herd mentality has its good side, which is why I always object to the use of the word ‘sheeple’. If there is a gap in the shepherd’s fence, chances are he won’t lose just a few animals but the whole flock. Safety in numbers.

This is the difference between everyone feeling lost and everyone knowing they are going to get out. We’re all in this together, and we are all going to get out together.

[northstar]

Posted by Mulder (here)
Please listen at 4.30secs for Steve Quayle to say what he thinks demons are. He doesn't elaborate on this very clearly in the rest of the show, if you don't have time to listen to it.

This is what he said in the Youtube clip: "Most Christians are blind to spritual truth... Nephilim are the fallen angels... The Raphaim are the giants. They are the children of the fallen angels are earth women and the demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants."

I have personally encountered what I call "dark entities" in my shamanic work and in my energy healing practice. I try to avoid using the word "demon" because for some reason it often gets people riled up. I have also encountered alien implants in people. The first time that happened I was shocked because up until that point I didn't really believe in aliens. haha.

What I am going to say now is going to sound very "out there" but I have encountered these beings in my journeys in non-ordinary reality and also in my daily life, wide awake with eyes wide open. Yep. I know it sounds impossible but it happened to me, its my story and I'm sticking to it.

Regarding my encounters with these beings over the years, to this day I remain skeptical. Always at the back of my mind there is a little critical voice saying that perhaps I am just delusional.

But I have many people tell me that what I saw in their energy fields with my clairvoyant sight was accurate. I have also had many people experience significant healings after I removed implants, entities and cords from them in my journeys in non-ordinary reality.

And so back to the original post: are the aliens really demons?
I don't know the answer to that.

All I know is that I have had up close and personal experience with aliens, demons, angels and various other transdimensional beings over the years and so I know they exist.

[music]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Many people on this thread are objecting to the farmyard description of the human predicament – rightly so in my view. So let’s try something else.

One thing we can all agree upon I think is that we are somewhere that we don’t want to be and can’t find the way out. It is a kind of maze – you have to work on the basis that there is a way out, it is just extremely hard to find – maybe even a passage will have to be forced at some point.

Getting out of a maze on your own is a pretty hopeless task unless you have an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, i.e. a paper trail recording how you got there in the first place.

Getting out as a group becomes easier the larger and the more cohesive the group. If everyone joins hands and moves around together, they themselves become an ‘Ariadne’s thread’, or rather, by covering as much ground as possible, they become an ‘Ariadne’s sweater’ Haphazard exploration becomes systematic until someone finds the exit; from that point on, there will be a purposeful movement in the right direction and everyone just follows the crowd.

The herd mentality has its good side, which is why I always object to the use of the word ‘sheeple’. If there is a gap in the shepherd’s fence, chances are he won’t lose just a few animals but the whole flock. Safety in numbers.

This is the difference between everyone feeling lost and everyone knowing they are going to get out. We’re all in this together, and we are all going to get out together.

Ariadne, whose name means "most holy" or "entirely pure", represents the feminine principle, and the mythos surrounding the labyrinth, like the myth of St George, is a key to understanding the true trinity and unity consciousness. The Minotaur represents the spirit or magic we have tied to our repressed darkness that must be re-united with the masculine and feminine principles within the heart. The red thread is the thread that binds all together within physical reality.

[Lifebringer]

Not just a pole shift, also a mental higher vibrational injection of love/tolerance for your neighbors, and a test of our ability to rely on Christ when WE ourselves are ignorant of what to do when needed. Sometimes the constant tug at negative speech, thoughts when people rub you the wrong way, and outbursts get hard to battle. All of them have to do with EGO.

The battle goes on for our souls to be worthy and non-judgemental. Everybody is responsible for their own bag of karma, man. Specially designed for them. These that do harm to our planet and innocent children and people are really gonna get it.

[Flash]

Posted by justonewookiee (here)
I am a psychopath and so I believe I have insights about psychpathy that others may not have. Not all psychopaths have to manifest the evil side and I can say with all truth and honesty, I have been a very, very good psychopath for quite a long time now (several years).

"Human nature" is nothing but "human excuse" to me... but what do I know?

We can all exist on this planet in physical form and do so as individuals expressing themselves individually and in relative harmony. We have simply fallen into the habit of loving war and self destruction. We can change (individually) in an instant if we want to. If enough of us did so, I suspect the collective experience would reflect that. But we don't (or at least have not done this so far).

For the most part, I have made this decision not to be at constant war with all and the All. What I mean by "the All" is simply the outer world that manifests to my senses. If I can do this - anyone can.

The more I look closely at the deepest parts of "me" the more I eliminate all the various world views our lovely society imposes and our lovely sisters and brothers present and represent to us where I more and more find the only world view that actually appears to remain is the one which suggests "I" and "us all" on lovely planet Earth at this time are under the residual influence of a massive implant.

LRH appears to have given this implant a name which Amzer Zo points out and is known as R6.

In addition I have not lost sight of the suggestion by Truman Cash there be an implant prior to R6 which he called, "the universal implant." As nasty as this R6 implant happens to be, I am truly hesitant to consider what may be this universal implant but I cannot deny that it seems to have something to do with "chewing."

chewchester the wookiee

the universal implant may be the belief that we have to come down here in order to experience materiality - the belief that consciousness highlight itself through psychopathy - the belief that we are separated.

Let met offer you my hand Chester.....

[araucaria]

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
The battle goes on for our souls to be worthy and non-judgemental (snip) These that do harm to our planet and innocent children and people are really gonna get it.

I perceive a slight contradiction here (maybe just my perception). The ultimate issue is how we deal with the psychopaths, who are currently described as incurable, or rather can be described as currently incurable. I think ‘really gonna get it’ is not a solution, and may be part of the problem.

If I recall one thing from the Charles saga, it is the demand for some respect for his ‘33’. I don’t think any ideas of retribution are going to get us anywhere. How the universe treats any individual, by complete dissolution or whatever, is not our concern. Our problem in the here and now is the psychopaths. If Chester is being even half-serious in applying the term to himself (and I know he is), then clearly some form of rehabilitation is possible. His case is a great cause for hope. In the meantime though, we need to identify the individuals concerned, and prevent them from ganging up in the positions of power that play havoc with everyone’s lives.

[Finefeather]

Posted by northstar (here)
But I have many people tell me that what I saw in their energy fields with my clairvoyant sight was accurate. I have also had many people experience significant healings after I removed implants, entities and cords from them in my journeys in non-ordinary reality.

Hi northstar.
What is strange to me, about this statement, is how would these people be able to tell you, the one with the clairvoyant sight, the accuracy of your observation...were they also all clairvoyant?.

Don't we all just love a good science fiction movie? There always has to be the aliens somewhere in the story...who else could it be who is constantly attacking us?
Then we have the old famous one on Avalon...'alien implants'...with tons of evidence and personal testimony...how dare we think that this is not taking place!

If you do indeed have clairvoyant vision, then of cause we should first determine what you think this is, and what in fact are you observing. My involvement with many people with this gift, over 45 years, has indicated much confusion and also a lot of accurate phenomena, based on comparative analysis. In every case, where trained clairvoyants observed people with illnesses and various problems, it was determined that every influence in their lives was either self induced or in very rear cases they had possession entities attached to their auras...although I am separating these possession entities, it does not imply that they are not self induced...they are just in a different category, in my opinion...because there is some rudimentary intelligence going on here. In no cases was it ever possible to determine, what we love to label as 'alien', entities. Of course if we use the word 'alien' as been foreign to ones own body then everything is alien around us...if we are not able to identify it.

Clairvoyance is a gift which should be recognized and trained...because there are some very strange things around us which have always been around and will always be around...they cause no harm unless our curiosity, ignorance and imagination run wild.

IMO there is no such thing as alien implants...yes there are physical implants which are man made...why would an alien want to implant us if they are that advanced?
Most people are living their lives with some form of thought attachment to their auras...I have seen this from the astral side...they are easy to remove and involve the person's will to heal him/her self.
Some people are possessed by very strong thought form entities, which have been around for centuries, feeding off the energy we create like fear, greed, jealousy and carnal sex...conditions which can only be corrected and overcome by a change in lifestyle and thought. One of the most powerful ways of picking up a nice 'demon' in your life is alcoholism and drugs...beware of the great high at the bottom of the whisky bottle, or in the wonderful green green grass of home, if you are not strong enough to protect yourself.
There are many conditions which can manifest the 'demon' in our lives and not one of them is 'alien'...although we fight and lie to ourselves constantly that our condition is a result of some demon or alien...one day we will know.

northstar, if you are experiencing clairvoyance, I would recommend that you join a recognized group with proven integrity. We need people like you to verify and correct the often warped sense of what is going on around us. This ability should be taken seriously and training is essential. Good luck to you.

Take care
Ray

[Hervé]

Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

Then, subjugating a soul-entrapped being to go haunt so-and-so till the end of time upon being sacrificed to some sort of god(s) and you've got yourself another kind of "demon."

The basics are simple but the creative imagination on how to "use" it is endless...

The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"

[northstar]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi northstar.
What is strange to me, about this statement, is how would these people be able to tell you, the one with the clairvoyant sight, the accuracy of your observation...were they also all clairvoyant?.

Thanks for your concern Ray. I have been clairvoyant as long as I can remember, and I have been blessed with excellent training and teachers.

Your skepticism is totally OK friend. Trust me, when it comes to skepticism about these matters nobody could be more skeptical than me.

Regarding your question, forgive me for any confusion in the way I wrote it. I do scanning and clearing sessions for people and I literally see stuff with my clairvoyant sight. The information I gather when I am in non-ordinary reality is then afterwards verified by the people for whom I do the session. Many, many times I have seen things and been given information about a person when I am doing a session for them. Information that there is no way I could possibly have known about them. Information that is later verified by the person. Hopefully that will clarify the process.

I mentioned this in the context that I myself remain skeptical about my skills. To me, the objective external verification that I get from the people I work with says something. (what is says, I'm not sure! haha)

Regarding implants, you mention threads, etc. I don't know anything about that. My knowledge of implants is not from rational left brained studies and reading, it is experiential through my shamanic journeys. Trust me, no-one was more shocked than I when I first encountered one in a person I was working on. Unlike my clairvoyant practices for which I have received ample external verification, I have nothing to objectively "prove" that what I see in certain people's energy fields are actually implants. I only have my depth of shamanic journeying experience in non-ordinary reality. Those who resonate with what I am saying will receive the truth of this on an energetic level, and those who come at things from a left-brained perspective will not. And I am totally OK with that.

Peace friend.