The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Hi JustOneWookies,

I’m very sorry to hear that you’ve been targeted so badly.

I guess the way I see it is that if you’re aware you’re being attacked, you’re already halfway there to getting the right kind of awareness to make yourself immune. Because awareness wins out over everything, in the end. Awareness can even always find a way to heal and negate the physical effects of any kind of AI, as far as I know. Easy enough to say, I know. But AI only has a tiny amount of awareness compared to a human being. And black magicians know that if you’re more aware than them, they can’t win against you, not in the long run. Also, if you spend time putting energy into getting very aware about yourself, I believe that will also make it impossible for them to keep attacking unless they spend a huge amount of time and energy to match how much you put in.

I was aware of being psychically attacked myself in late January and again before the last weekend in February. I didn’t try to check on who was doing it. I prefer to just find a way to heal the negative energies off of me, day by day and hour by hour. I did get ill for almost a week in late February. It was very painful at first, and also very unusual because I get ill about once every ten years. But after some time of feeling it did the opposite to me, I now feel it definitely made me stronger, in the end.

If your son felt fear when he went OB and he had psychically protected himself properly beforehand, that means the fear was a part of his own shadow side – his own unconscious negativity. Maybe he could try doing Inelia Benz’s “fear processing” exercise on it – see www.ascension101.com

[TraineeHuman]

Hi Nevermnd, and a warm welcome to the Forum from everybody who has posted in this thread, I'm sure. Thank you for your very kind comments. This thread would not have lasted nearly as long as it has were it nor for the quality of many of the people making posts here. I guess it’s hard to talk about OBEs without having one (or almost one), and without seriously working on developing yourself.

I feel: “Thank goodness I’ve found a group who are seriously committed to evolving no matter what, and not just talking about it.” It’s been great for me to see various individuals obviously making what I know to be one little or large breakthrough after another – and being so willing to share, so we can all learn.

Also, so much of this subject is really about transcendence, and gradually bringing the transcendent into our lives in the physical. That’s a subject where I feel inspired just discussing it, and others do too.

You can find interesting material on the Forum any time if you know where to search. One favorite location of mine, for example, is Helvetic’s thread – go to News and Updates, then the sub-section called Helvetic. Another is the Books, Videos, Articles etc sub-section of General Discussion.

[kintun]

Congratulations, Teradactyl! You did it!

[soleil]

Posted by kintun (here)
Congratulations, Teradactyl! You did it!

im think ive lost my nerve, because i didnt attempt anything the past couple of nights. i'll have this weekend to play around, and next weekend is a long weekend, so i'm going to give it a go. ive been wanting to 1.) go to HS, 2.) see past lives 3.) wake up my fiance to see if i can get his astral up with me. (not all in the same trip of course, maybe 1&2 together but not 3, that i'll do after/if/when 1& 2 is completed).


i've been reading more of the OBE4U pdf (practical guidebook by michael raduga) that was posted earlier (via RAF). i recommend this very much, even for those who do direct methods or want to master etc; because of course direct/indirect methods are discussed, but i'm getting into the goodstuff now where it delves into tips like deepening to help you STAY in 'phase' for longer.

[soleil]

this is for others who dont catch up in the 'secrets of the soul' thread.


its easier to do in actuality - than getting over how hard you think it is in your head.

its all in your head. let your expectations GO! LEAVE. have NO EXPECTATIONS. then all of what happens is your awareness to make it happen!

i also want to recommend (and have added below) the michael raduga's pdf - which has been mentioned here before.

This is my recommendation for whoever here wants a bit more DETAIL on specifics: methods to induce OBE, methods to separate, methods to retain awareness in phase etc!; than buhlman provides.

buhlman paved the ways yes(and are more up to date than monroe) but raduga makes it ridiculously easy NOW for real newbs who want to know more. again i recommend to leave expectations at door no matter what you read.

then he goes into detail to master all aspects. (and i'm still finishing it myself just started reading about deepending last night) but i definitely recommend it because its free and its ridiculously detailed.

essentially raduga goes into it in a indirect method vs. buhlman direct method, for beginners. Because he finds that people get best results indirect, and then can go on to master direct techniques. There is a part where he compares direct to indirect:

It is also worth always keeping in mind the average
amount of time phasers spend on direct and indirect
techniques to achieve results. For example, a novice expends
an average of 5 minutes(5 attempts) on indirect techniques
for each phase experience (averaging both successful and
unsuccessful attempts), but 300 minutes(20 attempts) on
direct techniques for each phase experience. An advanced
phaser averages less than a minute(1-2 attempts) performing
indirect techniques for each phase experience, but 30 minutes
on direct techniques(2-3 attempts). pg 247


raduga says during 3 day workshop has outstanding results. after the 3 days and you get an OBE, get into learning other methods if this is the way you want to give it a go. here he says the results are:

Quick Instructions for Novices
Success Rate:
For 1-5 attempts (1-3 days) - 50%
For 6-10 attempts (2-7 days) - 80%
For 11-20 attempts (3-14 days) - 90%

this is my recommendation to help make this easier for newbs, even if it is more reading and gets people to actually get out.

http://obe4u.com/files/the_phase.pdf

i cant wait to hear new stories of success

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
its easier to do in actuality - than getting over how hard you think it is in your head.

its all in your head. let your expectations GO! LEAVE. have NO EXPECTATIONS. then all of what happens is your awareness to make it happen!

i also want to recommend (and have added below) the michael raduga's pdf - which has been mentioned here before.

This is my recommendation for whoever here wants a bit more DETAIL on specifics: methods to induce OBE, methods to separate, methods to retain awareness in phase etc!; than buhlman provides.

buhlman paved the ways yes(and are more up to date than monroe) but raduga makes it ridiculously easy NOW for real newbs who want to know more. again i recommend to leave expectations at door no matter what you read.

then he goes into detail to master all aspects. (and i'm still finishing it myself just started reading about deepending last night) but i definitely recommend it because its free and its ridiculously detailed. ...
http://obe4u.com/files/the_phase.pdf

teradactyl, I said I agree that if you think about what’s involved in OB travel rather than doing it (or keeping on trying to actually do it), then you’re making things unnecessarily hard for yourself. I’ve said basically that in many posts, and you may perhaps recall that in post #54 in early December I’ve even suggested you specifically were overthinking it all.

I’ve also mentioned in posts #4, #23, and a number of other posts that the traditional method of astral travel – such as Buhlmann or Monroe advocates – is tougher than it needs to be. In post #10 I describe in great detail a very simple method by which even a beginner can briefly astral travel to a past lifetime. And I know it works first try for at least 80% of people who try it. Did you do that exercise right then, last year? If not, then duh – why not??? Oh, perhaps you must have assumed my reason for describing that exercise fully was so you could think about it? Well, of course there was no way that was why I described it in post #10.

In post #23 I actually pointed out that we’re all already OB at the time when we wake up, and that it would be helpful if people just became aware of that, and then found a way to use that to learn OB travel. When, thank goodness, you later on so usefully brought up Radiga’s work (one and a half months ago?) -- which is based on the fact that we are OB when we wake up --, I made it clear (posts #296, #298) I considered that to be a much easier method than Buhlmann or Monroe etc. (Because the fact is it certainly is, just as the exercise in post #10 is also a much easier and more accessible method.) I also said that from that point on (post #298) I would assume that everyone was applying Radiga’s method. All my subsequent comments have been made under that assumption, actually.

[TraineeHuman]

Once a person learns to communicate with their HS regularly, they soon develop a type of shorthand. One of the forms of shorthand my HS like to use is to take me OB to some scene, e.g. somewhere on the planet.

The night before last, as I was about to go to bed (before bringing divine healing light for my psychic protection) I asked my HS whether I should be concerned about the material in Bill Ryan’s recent thread based on Doug Hagmann. I basically wanted to know if I should be concerned or not. The answer my HS gave was to show me a very steep mountaintop scene by taking me there OB. It must have been somewhere in the southern hemisphere because there was no snow. Probably either in the Andes or the Mountains of the Moon in Africa. Anyway, at first my HS showed me how steep the gradients there were, which I knew meant that yes, the situation really was volatile if not potentially truly dangerous. But then it also showed me how beautiful the scenery on those mountaintops was. I thought” “If you’re showing me how beautiful it is, that means it won’t be all bad, and really it will be fine even though some things will get rugged, won’t they?”

In response it whisked me straight away to a point above the Grand Canyon, where the sun was just starting to rise. The main thing I could see there was that it looked beautiful, and it was a new dawn, and secondarily it did happen to look rugged and primitive, but only secondarily.

This was the first time my HS has told me to take any “fear” or “warning” type of message about the economy or whatever seriously. But my HS was emphasizing that it won’t turn out as badly as some fear it may.

My HS’s shorthand also includes various symbols and all sorts of things. The HS won’t answer questions too specifically, but it will give an answer of some sort. Some of the symbols or whatever will also be indications that you, the recipient of the message, don’t want to face the truth on this occasion. I used to have a clairvoyant teacher who always got big inkspots when either she or a client she was asking about didn’t want to face the HS’s answer. But it varies with each individual what the shorthand “code” turns out to be.

[Eram]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

In response it whisked me straight away to a point above the Grand Canyon, where the sun was just starting to rise. The main thing I could see there was that it looked beautiful, and it was a new dawn, and secondarily it did happen to look rugged and primitive, but only secondarily.

This is what my girlfriend is getting through too.
I don't know what or who she communicates with, but she is often right with in what she sees.

She says that indeed things might get ugly in terms of economic matters, but that people will start to do what they really want and that the whole event has an awakening component to it.

Maybe on the long term people will look back on it as a turning point in history after which civilization heads of toward a more harmonious direction?

[Libico]

I've been away from here for the past few weeks as I have hit a sort of rough patch in regards to going OB - this hasn't been discouraging for me but I've had a lot going on in my life lately that making time for this has been difficult. I have had a couple of times where I felt the vibrations start as I was drifting off but I was never able to get them to increase enough to attempt going OBE - it just seemed that something was off.

Some good news to report - I have started meditating regularly (5-6 times a week) and it's been quite interesting! This has always been difficult for me as I have never been able to turn my mind chatter off but I think I may have succeeded for the first time last night which was an incredible experience. Before every meditation I ground myself using the method found in post #24 and ask for protection. I have never really felt anything quite like I experienced last night and it just took off from there.

I sat down in the half lotus position at around 00:00 and began my request to my HS/GA for protection. I felt something like a very fine piece of string running over my body from head to toe and when I was completely covered I started doing what I can only call conversing with myself. I asked about things in my life and if I'm doing things right, asked for advice etc. Usually when I meditate I am very aware of my body and with my eyes closed all I can see is blackness. Here I felt completely detached from my body - I was aware of my fingers, and my legs but it was almost like they weren't a concern to me. I felt them but it was almost like it wasn't my body. Instead of seeing the usual blackness I began to see imagery playing out a little story - these were pretty bizarre much like normal dreams but every time I would ask a question or want to know some piece of information the story would accommodate me with an answer that I would need to interpret.

Throughout this entire time I felt like I was an observer to my thoughts - I felt a type of clarity I have never experienced. there was no background noise/thoughts, no deviations from the state I was in - a few times I did have a rogue thought but quickly snuffed it out. Usually I try to stop by saying something like "OK now I will stop thinking of X" which of course leads to just the opposite - this time I worked, several times!

The experience was very pleasant and I requested a few things, bit at one point along with all the imagery I saw a face of a woman with strange eyes and a scar visualize. I thought that was off as this has been great so far and sent the image away, but it came back each time. After the 5th or 6th time it went away and I saw what appeared to be what I interpreted to be a parasitic/vampire face (half of the face to be exact) and I got shivers all over my body. I thought that strange since I had protected myself and immediately told it that I am aware of my power and it is not welcome in my presence if it's intent is malevolent. I sensed it's surprise but then softened my thoughts to send it positive thoughts and suggested that it change it's ways and so it can move forward into a more pleasant existence. After demanding that it leave I felt the presence dwindle away until almost nothing but I seemed to latch on to it and held it in my presence while I sent it positive energy before letting it go. I'm actually not sure if it just stayed or I kept it there, just my impressions.

After this I figured that it must have been a test/learning experience of some kind as if I were in real danger my GA would have stepped in. It could also have been that the entire experience was "in my head" and I was testing myself to see how I would react (the emotions were real because I believed it to be real). Soon after I requested to go out of body from this meditative state and received symbols/imagery of it being not advised at this point in time. At this point I knew I should stop for the night and head to bed but didn't really want to as I felt so peaceful and tranquil. After another few minutes I did and checked the clock to see the time; it was close to 01:00 so I had been meditating for around 40 minutes which the longest I have ever gone - I can now understand how people can meditate for hours.

This reads almost like some of my other OBE - is it common for the malevolent entity scenario or similar scenarios to occur when meditating?

Just thought I'd share - if anyone is having a difficult time getting started with meditation, this is after 4 weeks of doing it consistently so get started!

[TraineeHuman]

That certainly sounds like a fruitful and prolonged “conversation” with your HS, Libico. Congratulations! Stellar. And yes, the blackness isn’t your HS speaking, but the pictures that replace the blackness are.

Meditation, as I understand it, is the practice of stillness, or of being able to hold or listen to stillness. As I’ve of course attempted to explain in a number of posts, the use of stillness and having some mastery of it is extremely helpful when one is beginning to communicate with one’s HS and even after one has become “fluent” at it. So you seem to have put the dots together very well indeed, Libico, as I’d hoped a number of readers would.

I’ve never experienced a “vampiric” or otherwise malevolent energy in my space ever during meditation, at any time in my life. I have caught glimpses of various kinds of alien faces present at meditation retreats involving large groups of people. Some of those faces looked very ugly and strange indeed, but they were benevolent. They were working very hard to help everyone in the group. For instance, at one meditation retreat the “guru” was sitting on a podium at the front of the group. There were five powerful “helpers”, of which only two looked human. Those two stood at the front two corners of the podium. I noticed that the closest one looked like the famous Zen master Joshu (from something like the eighth century), founder of the Japanese Zen monastic system. I chatted with him briefly, and he confirmed that he was indeed Joshu. He was about eleven feet tall, and had a stick that was the same height. But somehow that seemed totally normal to me at the time. The reason I saw these beings was that when I go deeply enough into meditation my eyes at least half open. These beings were there in 4D, basically made out of light but looking a light-grey color all over.

I’ve also always had a close affinity with nature spirits, and some of their faces look very, very ugly, but they’re totally benevolent, at least to me, and to the health of the environment. Also, sometimes if I’m doing some nonverbal work with someone they’ll see truly ugly-looking faces on me, but they’re just getting mostly “snapshots” of how I looked in previous lifetimes in non-human planets, and again it’s mostly just me and it’s not malevolent at all.

I don’t know if you’ve watched Bill Ryan’s video interview with Inelia Benz. But you might like to consider her approach of having absolutely no judgment and no fear and absolutely total acceptance in relation to any supposedly malevolent being you happen to see (but protecting yourself in advance, and giving both yourself and the being healing light throughout). You may also like to look at Inelia’s “fear processing” exercise.

The only time I’ve experienced hostile faces in something even approaching some similarity to meditation was in a lucid dream I had the night after I was initiated into the Tibetan Order of the Snow Leopard. I was aware of benevolent Reptoids (I’ve never met any of the malevolent variety), and they were showing me a kind of 3D movie (like you see with the special glasses) of all sorts of dinosaurs with very sharp teeth, mostly also having wings, and all flying at me as if to attack me. It didn’t scare me one iota, and I got the impression that after about thirty minutes they decided to stop showing that “movie” when they had intended to run it for an hour or so. This was definitely an initiation, and I guess I’ve also experienced initiations in 5D where I had to show no fear of some frightening “gatekeeper” in order to pass the initiation. These initiations weren’t sick or twisted or vampiric or whatever, though, but were very light-centered and decent and gave me access to more advanced spiritual information.

You might also like to consider if the scar half-face has something to do with your own shadow side. Far from rejecting your shadow side, you need to face it and embrace it. In the musical Phantom of the Opera, which is ultimately just the Beauty and the Beast story, it's only when Christine agrees to marry the Phantom and gives him a passionate kiss that he vanishes into thin air (or, in the other version of Beauty and the Beast, turns into a handsome prince, i.e. is no longer dark at all).

[Libico]

I have had trouble grasping the fact that I encountered something malevolent in my experience yesterday as I it just didn't add up with anything I had ever read or heard about mediation. I do recall hearing about certain spirits who would bother people during meditation to try and distract them, but never something like this. I think on some level I was afraid of whatever I saw even though I knew I was in no danger - although I did remain calm and composed the chills tell there is some fear work I need to work on. For me it was such a surprise to see the face that it was an instinctual reaction.

I am very curious to see how it goes tonight and future nights - now that I've found a state of relaxation next time I'm able to go back I'll be sure to ask my HS what the meaning behind the face was. I hadn't considered that it could be part of me shadow/darker side so that is some interesting food for thought. I'll report back what I find

[nevermnd]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
Greetings Trainee!

The reason I ask is because I'm making an effort to raise my energy levels using some of the things I've learned. Like ditching meat, caffeine, and alcohol. I'm doing some more meditating again in my copper pyramid to get the energy flowing; get the chakras spinning. Practicing some grounding techniques and such. I created my pyramid a couple months ago and ever since I tried it out the first week, my forehead has been buzzing, as if to say, "Hey, you started this, don't stop now."
Joe

I do have a question regarding the use of pyramids in order to raise one's energy and vibration level. ( on Bovis scale)
Is the use of the pyramids lead to another false worship of past demigods civilization, archons or overall a bad idea?
Do any of you veteran's that read this thread have a strong opinion about the use of small man made pyramid (4-8 feet tall).
There is a rather large thread about Horus-Ra entity potrayed in a negative way, parasite and vampiric presence of sorts .
Does any of you that astral travels, ever met that being in 4D or higher? Was he/she/it a malevolent being or a divine one ?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Best Regards!

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by nevermnd (here)

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
Greetings Trainee!

The reason I ask is because I'm making an effort to raise my energy levels using some of the things I've learned. Like ditching meat, caffeine, and alcohol. I'm doing some more meditating again in my copper pyramid to get the energy flowing; get the chakras spinning. Practicing some grounding techniques and such. I created my pyramid a couple months ago and ever since I tried it out the first week, my forehead has been buzzing, as if to say, "Hey, you started this, don't stop now."
Joe

I do have a question regarding the use of pyramids in order to raise one's energy and vibration level. ( on Bovis scale)
Is the use of the pyramids lead to another false worship of past demigods civilization, archons or overall a bad idea?
Do any of you veteran's that read this thread have a strong opinion about the use of small man made pyramid (4-8 feet tall).
There is a rather large thread about Horus-Ra entity potrayed in a negative way, parasite and vampiric presence of sorts .
Does any of you that astral travels, ever met that being in 4D or higher? Was he/she/it a malevolent being or a divine one ?
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
Best Regards!

Hi again, nevermnd. From all my observations, a pyramid structure does tend to accumulate positive energy on a 3D and 4D level. Not hugely so, but still significantly. So I certainly wouldn’t discourage anyone who likes to meditate inside a pyramid frame. As far as attracting negative entities or whatever, that’s some kind of superstitious nonsense, I’m afraid. Anyone who has a little clairvoyance should be able to confirm the presence of some positive energies, and even has connections with (very junior) healing angels. A pyramid tends to attract the opposite of negative energies, though only slightly. Of course, something like the Great Pyramid at Giza will have its (originally positive) energies manipulated in who knows what ways by so many individuals and groups.

It’s important to appreciate there are many fundamentalist Christians and other fundamentalists who may be quite clairvoyant or very clairvoyant, but their experience is still jaw-droppingly limited and they interpret everything through their special lens. That “lens” is itself very dark (destructive and life-denying and repressive) just in itself, as is their self-righteousness, unfortunately. (Self-righteousness is the primary clinical indicator of sociopathy. Not every self-righteous person is sociopathic, but every sociopathic person, and every psychotic person, is invariably very self-righteous.) Sometimes they’re still nice people and have spiritual depth of experience, despite that handicap. Probably their notion that pyramids must be “evil” originally comes, unfortunately, from the very firm belief of some of them that anything that isn’t part of the extreme version of “Christianity” as they know it must necessarily be evil and demonic.

Maybe, though, anyone who bothers to build or buy a pyramid frame should consider getting an orgone accumulator, which takes away all the electromagnetic pollution/interference big time. There’s also another, even stronger type of device for shielding against all electromagnetic interference and, with that, many external negative energies at a 3D or 4D level. I don’t remember what it’s called. I also have a simple ionizer at home, which I like to switch on for a couple of hours each day. This generates what are known as “negative ions” – but here “negative” refers to electric charge, or to having more electrons than positrons. It turns out that the “negative” electric charge as physics knows it is actually positive in its effects. Going to places where we experience nature recharges us in a good way partly because such ions are present there but not at home or an office.

Yes, there do exist demonic human beings who are demi-gods. I suspect they are the same as the “Titans”. I have very limited experience of them indeed, but I do know that they’ve all been in “jail” in the lower astral for over three thousand years now. Because they’re in jail, they can’t harm anyone unless a person deliberately invokes them through such things as black magic rituals or, say, ouija boards, or taking drugs (which tend to make you lose control, at least temporarily, of your body and mind and emotions). To the best of my knowledge, the Horus-Ra thread would deal with unfortunate experiences of contact with these beings.

Yes, there are plenty of negatively oriented entities or beings in the 4D realms. But if you protect yourself before and during traveling there, all my experience, and that of others I can personally confirm, is that they won’t harm you. They usually tend to run in the other direction from me, as far as I know. The biggest danger, as I see it, is whatever negativity is part of you but you don’t know it. This is what’s known as your “shadow side”. So, unless you’re involved in black magic or drugs, most of the dark energies you might encounter in 4D would simply be parts of yourself. They’re always there, affecting your life, whether you’re out in 4D or not. The very important topic of facing and embracing your dark side has already been discussed in this thread, from post #64 up till around late December.

Let me add that whatever you strongly resist, you are very strongly corded and attached to that very thing or phenomenon or group of beings (in your shadow side, which by definition you don't see). Thus the fundamentalist Christians etc who are (supposedly or in reality) steadfastly waging war against demonic forces have unknowingly attached themselves as strongly as possible to such forces and beings. It won't be surprising that they see a fierce and mighty devil wherever they turn. Similarly, if you go 4D and you're obsessively thinking that it'll be swarming with hostile beings, then guess what you'll see? And, guess what you'll see if you protect yourself and keep yourself covered in divine golden healing light?

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by teradactyl (here)
its easier to do in actuality - than getting over how hard you think it is in your head.

its all in your head. let your expectations GO! LEAVE. have NO EXPECTATIONS. then all of what happens is your awareness to make it happen!

i also want to recommend (and have added below) the michael raduga's pdf - which has been mentioned here before.

This is my recommendation for whoever here wants a bit more DETAIL on specifics: methods to induce OBE, methods to separate, methods to retain awareness in phase etc!; than buhlman provides.

buhlman paved the ways yes(and are more up to date than monroe) but raduga makes it ridiculously easy NOW for real newbs who want to know more. again i recommend to leave expectations at door no matter what you read.

then he goes into detail to master all aspects. (and i'm still finishing it myself just started reading about deepending last night) but i definitely recommend it because its free and its ridiculously detailed. ...
http://obe4u.com/files/the_phase.pdf

teradactyl, I said I agree that if you think about what’s involved in OB travel rather than doing it (or keeping on trying to actually do it), then you’re making things unnecessarily hard for yourself. I’ve said basically that in many posts, and you may perhaps recall that in post #54 in early December I’ve even suggested you specifically were overthinking it all.

I’ve also mentioned in posts #4, #23, and a number of other posts that the traditional method of astral travel – such as Buhlmann or Monroe advocates – is tougher than it needs to be. In post #10 I describe in great detail a very simple method by which even a beginner can briefly astral travel to a past lifetime. And I know it works first try for at least 80% of people who try it. Did you do that exercise right then, last year? If not, then duh – why not??? Oh, perhaps you must have assumed my reason for describing that exercise fully was so you could think about it? Well, of course there was no way that was why I described it in post #10.

In post #23 I actually pointed out that we’re all already OB at the time when we wake up, and that it would be helpful if people just became aware of that, and then found a way to use that to learn OB travel. When, thank goodness, you later on so usefully brought up Radiga’s work (one and a half months ago?) -- which is based on the fact that we are OB when we wake up --, I made it clear (posts #296, #298) I considered that to be a much easier method than Buhlmann or Monroe etc. (Because the fact is it certainly is, just as the exercise in post #10 is also a much easier and more accessible method.) I also said that from that point on (post #298) I would assume that everyone was applying Radiga’s method. All my subsequent comments have been made under that assumption, actually.

TH, yes i accept i think too much about things. i'm just sharing my post for others who dont follow the other thread. thank you again for the reminder and reminder posts. i did not mean to crash the thread, i just wanted to cross share a post.

sorry

[TraineeHuman]

teradactyl, I’ve been to India twice (in the physical). Near the start of my first visit I was at a sacred city on the Ganges and managed to get to darshan with a genuine very enlightened guru. There were a number of reasons why I was ready to very seriously listen to every word that guru had to say. One reason was the unusually large size of the golden aura above his head, plus the light I could (just faintly) see was radiating from his body. (The light wasn’t such a big deal. Anyone with a certain level of mastery of kundalini can do that, and others can do it sometimes accidentally.) I also was predisposed to truly listen because I had worked out that this was one of two brothers whom Yogananda had described in very favorable terms decades earlier, situated “further along the Ganges”, as using a certain type of meditation very masterfully. That type of meditation was clearly much the same as the eye-gazing meditation I had learnt. If done properly (and that’s a huge “if”), it’s very powerful and covers everything in “energy work” without doing any bodywork. It goes back thousands of years in Hinduism but was kept very secret. After some years, I had discovered my own teacher/therapist wasn’t really doing the method in the most effective way himself. But for many years he had been receiving instruction frequently by telepathy, from two masters in India and one in Nepal. And he still never really got it right, I claim.

Anyway, at that particular town on the Ganges for the above reasons I was very ready to hang on every word this guru was going to say. There were about fifteen people at the darshan, but at the beginning before he spoke he stared specifically at me and smiled so hugely for a moment I must confess I briefly thought: “I hope he’s not gay.” Then he started talking. The first thing he said was: “You know what makes a good student?” He paused. Slowly and emphatically, he said: “A good student is one who never needs to be told anything twice.”

[Freed Fox]

I think it was finally happening this morning. At least, to some extent or another...

I need to preface this post just a little as it is my first in this thread. I will risk seeming rather flippant otherwise. You see, I have perused this thread as well as "The Secret of the Soul" from time to time for several months. This is actually one of the threads that inspired me to join originally back in December. The reason that I have not posted until now is because I have made no discernible progress (until now). I accept the blame for this fact, because I do believe the primary factor that serves to hinder me is DOUBT. Doubt in the phenomena itself, and moreover doubt in myself to remain committed and achieve results. The main thing which reinforced my self doubt is the fact that I could get nothing at all from the simple 9 step method mentioned early on (the one in which you imagine your arms and legs to be soft and rubbery, like plasticine). It was mentioned that virtually anyone could utilize that method and get results, and yet I was unable to get anything at all from repeated attempts. I know it was meant to be encouraging, but it convinced me that I was somehow 'stuck' and this experience was not meant for me.

Now, I can't say the experience this morning completely dispelled that notion. I want to share it here and would love some feedback or advice in the event that it ever happens again.

The thing that sent me 'over the edge' was something Raduga mentioned in The Phase (another resource which I've consulted but not exhausted). I was in the middle of a dream and somehow, for some reason, I happened to remember Raduga saying it was very important to look at oneself in the mirror, and examine in close detail. Now, I was not entirely lucid at this point (which makes it rather strange, to me, that I would ever remember such a thing), but as I located the nearest mirror and followed through with that advice, I felt the lucidity coming on (likely the only reason I still remember it all).

Just as Raduga described, the mirror was very foggy/hazy. I leaned in and examined my features in it closely. As I did, there was a sense that lucidity was increasing along a gradient. I at last realized I was dreaming, and realized what I was really doing. I knew this was in an effort to go astral/OOB.

The first distrurbing aspect of the experience came along as I was doing this with the mirror. The more I focused, the clearer it became. However, the clearer it became, the more troubling my visage. My skin was becoming cracked and red, as if from over exposure to the sun. It was enough to make me want to turn away, but I knew I needed full lucidity so I persisted. However, right when my awareness seemed to reach it's pinnacle (waking-conscious level), I found myself suddenly back in my body, lying on my bed, seemingly waking up.

Now, it's important to note quickly that I sleep with a shirt over my head. I know, that's pretty strange, but I need total darkness to fall asleep and my room is often too bright.

So there I was, lying in bed, and I could just see the morning sunlight from under the shirt (near the bridge of my nose). I tried to move or get up, but could not. I thought, 'ok... sleep paralysis, no big deal'. It's happened to me before. However, it soon became apparent that this was not entirely the case.

I felt a crushing weight located right above my navel. It felt distinctly like someone was pressing down upon my stomach, and effectively pinning me down there. After a minute or two I managed to remove the shirt from my eyes and saw two girls, dilly-dallying about the bed and making silly excuses for why they had been holding me down. Because I did not know these girls, and because it made no sense at all, I realized again that it was a dream, and back I was again in the same situation; a small sliver of morning light accompanied by my otherwise obscured vision. Still I was unable to move, and still the heavy, uncomfortable (almost painful) pressure upon my navel.

Now, here's where it gets really strange. I realized that I was actually OOB, but lying in my body (so, not entirely one way or the other I guess). The sudden dream with the two girls and the faux-explaination therein somehow struck me as a planted dream, to 'throw me off the trail', as it were. I suddenly realized that whatever was causing the pressure was actively preventing me from fully going OOB. With a sudden increased determination, I lifted what I thought to be my physical arm to investigate where my eyes could not. Later I realized my physical body was still paralyzed, and this was movement at the astral level.

I was laying near the right side of my bed, you see, and because I still couldn't see, I figured that there must be someone or something on that side of the bed, pushing down on me. I waved the 'free' arm (my right), a foot or so over my stomach, where the pressure was occuring. I expected my arm to run in to the arms of the perpetrator (again, it felt distinctly like someone pushing down on me. Instead, my arm waved down and back up again, two times over, unobstructed and feeling nothing there.

At this point two things happened in quick succession. First, there was a fairly intense burning sensation which came along to accompany the pressure (which did not lessen), and again it was localized over this area (the area which, I realize, correlates to the solar plexus). Then, last but not least, the strangest thing of the whole ordeal as well as the last before I woke up for real and was able to get out of bed. There was a voice. It was intensely robotic, with a droning sort of tone (similar to Stephen Hawking, but with even more of a 'mechanical' kind of quality). It said "YOU PATRONIZE ME. YOU [PAINT ME] AS A VILLAIN."
(The part in brackets I am not 100% sure about. It might have been PORTRAY ME or something like that. The rest I remember distinctly).

So there it is. I got up with a strange sort of phantom sensation where all the pressure had been. Note that I was laying on my back and there was nothing with enough weight that could have produced that feeling naturally. That robotic voice stuck in my head, and made me really reflect on what it was and what it meant. I walked around in quiet contemplation and listened to one of my family members conversing with a 'tech guy' who came to fix our internet. There seemed to be an intensely strange amount of synchronicities in their conversation, related to what I was thinking about at the time. That part is hard to describe, and I suppose unrelated to the OBE itself, so I'll leave it at that.

Anyway, again I would love to hear feedback and/or insight on this, if anyone has any. And thank you TraineeHuman, both for this thread and for entertaining the experience of one such as myself, whose own misgivings have thus far held him back from fully committing to this most perplexing yet exciting endeavor.

All the best

[Jake]

Freed Fox... Wow! Quite the amazing experience. Of course you were out. Many times I have been able to move astral arms and/or legs while being pinned by the paralysis. You seem quite saavy for someone who has had such little experience withe OBE. I have never been able to put together an 'exit strategy' or 'method' that will 'induce' and OBE. My experiences occur spontaneously. There are all sorts of energy body phenomenon that can occur while in the critical moment of exit. Getting 'stuck in your body' is typical of a 'solar center' exit. The burning will not always be there. Do not be surprised if it changes to a mild hum, or vibration. Do some studies on the energy body and primary energy centers, or chakras. They are real. It took a long time to realize that 'exiting' occurs from a specific energy center,, It could be a 'crown center' exit, which will be accompanied by strong energetic feelings in your skull, and strong pulsing. It could be a 'brow center' exit that will be accompanied by shocking visuals, colors, sounds, and strong pulsing in that area. Sometimes a single 'pulse' will hit you in the face. It feels like getting hit in the face for real. (there is a recovery period from a strong pulse)

The intense pressure in your Solar makes it seem like you are being held down... I suppose it is possible,,, but in my experience, that is how an active 'solar center' feels. It can sometimes feel lower, like in your gut, or sometimes higher, in your chest. Traditionally this was known as the 'old hag' syndrome. Same symptoms, chest pressure, paralysis, and the distinct feeling that someone is in the room, and possibly holding you down. You are free to interpret this phenomenon however you wish. But let me tell you,,, I spent many years being distracted by my interp of what was happening.

I had a problem with what I call the 'dweller on the threshold'... It is the same as the old hag,, (or two little girls) For me, it was a shadowy, menacing creature with wings and red eyes!!! My progress was held up for years with this problem... All I can tell you is this,, we manifest our fears and doubts before we manifest out love and joy. It is not a rule, but it is human nature. Therefore, getting past the 'dweller', means dealing with fear and/or doubt. Not that the 'dweller' is not real,,, but he/she teaches you to stand in your own power, and to conquer fear. If you do not, you will have much difficulty navigating in the Astral, which is mostly a thought responsive environment. The 'dweller' is your first test... if you cannot get past the dweller,,, then you cannot get past your own fears, or doubts.

That is my experience. Try to be aware of your energy body when you are practicing toward OBE.

Thank you for sharing.. Please keep us updated.


WELCOME TO FLIGHT SCHOOL!!!

Jake.

[OOO]

Hi Freed Fox,

I am no expert in these matters, but from experience I will share my take on your adventure.

During our conscious state if we amuse ourseleves with "heavy" entertainment it will trickle down/up into our subconscious.
What occupies your mind in the day time? Pay attention. Usually we go about things unaware researching subjects on aliens, ghosts, illuminati, etc...in search of finding or satisfying our curiosity.

I have found that "lightening" my daily intake of info helps and being aware of my emotional states. If you nip the negative thought in the bud it helps.

Side note: i love being in my body. Isn't that the reason why we chose to incarnate on earth?

Anyway, hope this means something to you.

[Freed Fox]

Thank you for the warm welcome and encouragement, not to mention the sound advice.

Jake, what you said about overcoming 'the dweller' rings particularly true. I have spent a great deal of time trying to expel the fear in my life (esp. over the past few years), and although I do believe I've made progress in that regard, I have a lot of work left to do in conquering doubt. Looking back upon my life, from my earliest memories of childhood, it has been my greatest obstacle (and the one I have never really overcome). I think if anything is truly holding me back, it must be that.

The voice certainly caught me off guard, and I have to wonder if it was at all tied to that. Despite how strange/unnatural it was, it did not frighten me but rather left me a bit confused. I'm still pondering where it came from and what it meant...

[TraineeHuman]

I guess everyone needs to learn how to create protection and healing power for themselves before and during the time they go into the astral. If you haven’t learnt how to “stand in your own power”, I guess I would say “standing in your own power” is part of that process of creatimg protection and healing. As far as I can see, such “standing” partly means just truly liking yourself and accepting yourself.

This may sound quite trite, but I’ve observed that most people secretly neither like nor accept themselves. I guess it’s a gradual process. Meditation seems to help accelerate that process. So also does self-enquiry / self-observation, which is a kind of looking at oneself in the mirror emotionally rather than in the astral.

When I started out astral traveling I always found it easier to go “out” through the crown of the head, or sometimes to “roll” gently out of the solar plexus region.

But then I went to a psychic “study circle” where the teacher would take the whole class into the astral. There the “takeoff” would take about one second (sometimes brief queasiness in the solar plexus) and then it felt like one had a “double” of one’s body that went flying. The flying was always a hugely fun feeling. And you could tell you weren’t in the physical because of the “landscapes” you saw.

After leaving that teacher I learnt how to go flying in zero seconds from startup by being taken “up” by certain groups of benevolent “guides” (dead people who had been quite “spiritually” developed) or healing angels. I’ve encountered various “guardians of thresholds”, but none while I was “taken up” by any such group. And by this stage I was well past any fear or any real danger of psychic attack (except once, by my ex-wife at the time we were splitting up, and then only because she had plenty of energy cords connecting to many bones in my body).

A number of months later I learnt to “fly” on my own, usually while I was awake but also during sleep, and even to both “fly” but also consciously retain a small amount of awareness of at least some parts of my body even if it was just fingertips and elbows and the seat of my bottom.

When I learnt to “fly” on my own, it was my HS that took me there. The separation from the physical was instantaneous, and has continued to be so most of the time ever since. So I would suggest that if you want to learn to very strongly stand in your own power, start learning to communicate with your HS.