What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Ilie Pandia]

What would you think about the people that have allowed: "a small contingent of some of the most corrupt people to create a filter mechanism to ensure that only those corruptible are allowed to control the institutions".

Aren't the most of us making up the group that is doing the allowing? Isn't this a lack of personal integrity. Why to the people stand by and allow this? This is not reflected back on them in the slightest?

Yes, Dennis Lee saw only the corrupt, because Free Energy is the ultimate challenge for human kind and the controllers. It brought up the worst in people. But what is the value in seeing no corruption, when one is quietly standing in line leading the slaughter house? The shopping malls are full of good people (myself present). Good people cheered while Dennis Lee was burning at the stake. Good people are still calling Dennis Lee a quack and a charlatan because they do not do their own research. And I was part of that group of people until very recently.

And a final thought. Free Energy will bring up the worst in people, in order for the wounds to be healed, and only then can the "good nature" shine through. And this is what this thread is about, exploring and healing these layers of "darkness".

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
Ilie I have to say I think you're applying a gruelling standard to yourself. I personally don't know anyone who wouldn't avoid violence, except perhaps if their or another's child was in a life threatening situation. In that case, another force takes over. And, some people simply won't deal with the TSA. They drive. It's a choice some can make. I don't think there's anything cowardly in avoiding situations you don't want to deal with, and/or are afraid of.

I think it's reasonable to know your limitations, and function in an arena where your skills and gifts can be shared. Which it seems, you are doing. And very well .

I understand that.

But in my mind, I make a difference between responding to a situation properly or acting out of fear. In my perspective is a huge difference. I also avoid violence, because I know I cannot handle it and I cannot help much. But, there are very many ways to help in a non-violent and intelligent ways. But to do that you must not act out of fear.

About the TSA, I recall that nobody seemed to stand in support of Dennis. From his post, I recall, he was made to look like a terrorist: "Hey, look! someone has refused the scanner!!". Nobody said: "Good for you mate! You courage gives me courage! I'll refuse the scanner too".

And, thinking more about "avoiding"... there seems to be only so much time for you to avoid problems... sooner or later you will not be able to.

[sandy]

Hi everyone,

I have interceded in violent situations numerous times in my life. Starting with my own Father as a young teenager. I have also participated in violence believing my justifications were right, long before I learned different. Thus I'm not comfortable with violence, however do have a fair amount of personal experience in this area, from an abusive childhood, abusive partners and many years working in correctional facilities and in the community with street people. There is something to be said about love language and if the only type of attention equated as love comes from abusive behavior then that is what one establishes whether they know it or not. So for many years this was part of my love language existence as it is for much of the dysfunction in the world.

I have always fought for the underdog so to speak including stepping into violent situations encountered on the street, private homes or jails. Yes I have taken a few shots to the head and was even cold cocked once but something makes me step up to the plate when I see someone else or the threat of someone getting hurt. I do it too if the person is being verbally abused, bullied or attacked intellectually just because the other person can. To this day I will intervene in violent situations because it is the right thing to do IMO. Most of the time intervention works if one is just fearless enough to enact their compassion to stop people hurting one another. I've been blessed with success more often than not by intevening as many are just taken aback that a woman no taller than 5' 1'' would try and get in the way and making more noise than those fighting, thus many just stop, thinking a crazy lady has entered the scene and the unpredictability factor just rose a whole lot higher

As Ilie indicates violence and avoiding violence does come from fear and only the individual can identify what that fear or fears are but one must do so to enhance personal integrity levels on all aspects their of being. I applaud you Ilie for your self awareness and ownership of your identified fears and couldn't agree more that we all need to become more honest with ourselves versus rationalize why it is okay to have less personal integrity to survive or have our every day needs met.

It seems to me from Dennis Lee's adventures especially those jail stints that his personal integrity kept him more safe in the end than playing the games his fellow inmates and or correctional systems coercing him to conform to their corruption would have.

If we want Free Energy to become a reality we are all going to have to take a look at our comforts, comfort zones and fears and start biting the bullet so to speak when it is the right thing to do. Heck just the other day I had to ask a friend of over 30 years to remove me from her group email that forwards oppressive, degrading and prejudicial information about our First Nations peoples here in Canada as it wasn't good enough for her to agree to disagree on our individual belief systems as I requested and she found it necessary to send more scathing info to prove her belief was the right one. That was not an easy thing to do after so many years of being friends but it was the right thing to do versus facilitate this kind of divisive information.........................she has stopped communicating with me

It is time to get tough with ourselves and walk the talk...................................I still have many areas like Ilie and others to work on and yes it is a lonely trail this personal integrity route but heck I started it the day I sobered up, many moons ago I might add so why stop now.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi all:

If you all don’t mind, I would like to add my two bits to the recent exchanges. Dennis told me that our institutions are corrupt because people are corrupt, but he experienced the corruption of “average people” long before he experienced the system’s corruption. Before they lowered the boom on us in Ventura, I had witnessed about a dozen attempts to steal our company, and I told Dennis how shocking it was to see, and told me the equivalent of, “Welcome to the club.”

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#shocked

Until you get to where what you are doing has economic consequences, it is all just talk, and you really do not get to see what people are made of until those economic consequences come into view. I saw that view, repeatedly, and for every heroic Mr. Professor:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post579023

there were a thousand dupes like Mr. Engineer and Mr. Researcher:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...her#post580973

and dozens of predators who saw their chance to steal it all:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#salient1

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#trio

And they made the jobs of Godzilla’s minions laughably easy. And most people inflicting the evil at the institutional level just happily do it as part of their jobs:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#care

Tagging our institutions with primary responsibility for the state of affairs is called institutional analysis or structuralism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

Those tagging a handful of elites as having primary responsibility, acting consciously toward an intended, often evil, outcome, in secret, is called conspiracism.

Both the structuralists and the conspiracists largely absolve the masses of responsibility for the state of affairs. That is how victims think:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#weakness

We all have a hand in creating this situation.

But Joe Average is fast asleep, and the only way that he is going to wake up to FE is to have it delivered to his home:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli

He can wake up to other stuff, taking baby steps, but FE is the big one and has been the case for longer than I have been alive.

That Ilie is frank about his fears is good work. Having fear comes with the price of living on Earth. The question, as I see it, is if we let our fears control us, or we honor them and do our best to let them go for healing. Non-heroes often think that heroes have no fear. That is not true. The heroes don’t let their fear control them.

The FE issue is the biggest one on Earth, and newbies to the milieu almost invariably try to see how they can stampede people toward FE under the banners that all movements have historically organized themselves around. It does not work. I call that approach Level 10:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level10

and I was a part of some of the highest profile Level 10 efforts ever mounted, and it was a learning experience that I barely survived. I came to realize that Joe Average is generally worse than worthless for helping FE manifest. Joe Average is easily herded this way and that by the social managers, and you can’t outmaneuver the master shepherd, and I don’t even want to try. Until people begin to play at those levels, what I am saying usually goes right over their heads, but Ilie gets the gist of my work, and his posts are rarely less than brilliant. Again, he is the gold standard of what I am looking for, and he knows that I am not looking for heroes.

Only when an FE device is delivered to Joe Average’s door will he begin to wake up to the idea of abundance in any meaningful way. I wish the masses were more help, but they aren’t. The question naturally arises whether Joe Average is even worth waking up. I think so, but chasing after FE, trying to drag Joe Average along, or enticing him with carrots, is a fool’s approach that I have already lived through more than once. Joe Average is currently only fit to cheer on football teams and wars, punch the clock, and drink his Budweiser. It is just how it is on planet Earth these days. Just this morning, I had to field a post that wanted me to look into what a great guy Genghis Khan was:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post622076

Given a chance in today’s world, about a third of adult men become sadists:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#browning

It is part of our killer ape heritage:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post537104

But let’s get this back on track to what would become obsolete with FE and abundance. While we have physical bodies, there will always be some level of fear, but in a world of abundance, fear will no longer run the show as it does today. The dark pathers are going to hate living here if abundance comes to pass, because they will no longer be able to play their games:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving

They have my sympathy. It can’t be easy wanting to be Emperor of the Universe. That delusion is soul-wrecking, but that is how the dark path thinks. They do not think like the rest of us, and it is the path of folly to project our “normal” motivations onto dark pathers. They march to a different drummer. I understand enough of how they operate that I don’t want to have anything to do with them, not while I am trying out the FE path. But encountering them comes with the territory of what I do, and Joe Average is a lamb to the slaughter when interacting with accomplished dark pathers. Only fools or spiritual masters think that they can outmaneuver or outsmart them. I am no master, and while I have played the fool often enough, I put aside the idea of taking on the dark pathers when I was a teenager. It turns out that I did outsmart a bunch of dark pathers, but it was little more than being willing to stand up for the truth and love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#it

and it cost me my life. I would not recommend it to anybody. Our origin and destination are divine, but on this planet, it is very rarely evident, and I think that the purpose of being here is to try to tap that divine wellspring of our being, a well that is anything but easy to tap, with a creator that plays hide and seek with us. That is why love and FE are joined at the hip:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#greatest

but we can’t get there by dragging our scarcity-based baggage with us.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

If FE is delivered to people’s homes, they are going to get a big leg up on grokking abundance and what can come with it, but at some level we all need to do the work. There are no shortcuts. Those who can leave that baggage behind and help FE manifest will likely get some otherworldly “reward” for their efforts that are probably hard to imagine, but the “reward” is probably just the level of awareness that they will attain. Others will climb the mountain in their own way, but the people blazing the FE trail will make it easier for everybody behind them. That really is the intention of my work.

Best,

Wade

[4evrneo]

I just watched this video and it finally clicked for me, in understanding more about the scarcity mentality, and about free energies that are available to us.

I apologize if this has already been posted here but I thought it really fits.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EewGM...yer_detailpage

For some of us who may have a hard time wrapping our head around the entire situation/problem as a whole, this video put it into a perspective I can understand better. This also gave me a better understanding of how I can make better choices to not support the current system.

A couple weeks ago I found a local company that delivers organic produce and other things to your office or home, all local farmers, and free delivery ! I absolutely love this company and actually have gotten several people to try it out so far. My goal is to only buy local, and not give my money, as much as possible, to the corporations.

https://az.naturesgardendelivered.com/

(for anyone in Arizona, I highly recommend it)

[Ilie Pandia]

This week I have started reading a book about security in information systems. It is a subject that I am passionate about and I find it both interesting and challenging at the same time. It is also rather important in a world where our day to day activities are being guided and monitored by computers.

In between chapters I've put the book down and asked myself: why is security engineering so important? Why is it that some work so hard to hide and block access to information while others work even harder to break in?

I have to admit that a small part of the answer is the challenge. On one side to create a complex puzzle or riddle and on the other side to solve it. And this also the aspect that draws me in.

But in practical terms, yes, you've guessed it, the answer is scarcity.

Those that do the hidding fear they have something to lose, and when resources are scarce, loosing is not pleasant. Those that do the hacking are also motivated by scarcity trying to get a bigger slice of the limited pie.

I believe that with abundance the need for security and secrecy becomes obsolete. Mainly because the driving force behind "hacking" is not there any more.

We've already discussed that patents and "industry secrets" would go away, but I think that we can take this a lot further and say that military "clearance levels" will become obsolete as well. This may seem ridiculous in today's world, but it's only a logical conclusion of abundance. I think that the development of a free energy society would quickly dwarf any military secrets, even those held by the so called "black science".

This obsession with safety and security is rooted in fear and ultimately in scarcity. And it also has a lot to do with the materialistic view of the world that White Science is currently locked in.

The only kind of security and safety that free energy people would be concerned about would be with the design of their technology. And when profit is no longer an issue then it will be common sense to create the best and most safe design possible at the time.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

Now is where I turn on the Twilight Zone music. What you are describing in cyber-security is part of what I do at my day job. Over the years, hacking has graduated from teenage boys trying to make name for themselves among their hacker pals to professional cyber-crime rings whose goal is sucking bank accounts dry by compromising the security of companies, but their usual victims these days are Joe Average who surfs a porn site, gets a Trojan that keylogs his banking credentials and then cracks his account. The next thing he knows, his bank account got sucked dry and the funds ended up in Russia or some other former communist nation.

I lied awake at night, designing ways to plug holes so we could not get taken, and Wall Street took us instead! We lost over $30 million in “good as cash” investments that Wall Street sold to “suckers” like us, and I had to help mop up the aftermath of it.

Yes, in a world of abundance, hacking does not make any sense. “Security” becomes only about safety, so that nobody gets hurt.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

A person close to me, gave me a small book about seduction . Because I value this person I did start to read the book, although reluctantly, since I've hardly ever read anything on this subject that made any sense to me.

I was pleasantly surprised that the focus of the book was mostly personal development and it included a spiritual perspective on things.

I read the book with a huge smile on my face, most of the time, because I could see the watermark on the page "scarcity" "scarcity" "scarcity". (I guess I have Wade to thank for this).

I believe that what we think of today as "seduction" and "sex" would be radically different in an abundant society.

Concerns like "who is paying", "income bracket", "fashion styles", "the alpha male" and all that become completely irrelevant. It seems to me, that seduction, in today's world, is just a manipulation into getting two people to agree to a "contract". (Of course there are exceptions and some are genuinely interested in discovering the other person and "growing" together).

I don't think that sex will become obsolete in a Free Energy society (or at least I hope not), but I am pretty sure that most of our conditioning around sex, love and how we relate to one another will fade away when money, profit, lack and power over others become irrelevant. It's incredible to see how much of our day to day programming is based on scarcity and how different we would act if that programming would not be there... Even the way we say "Hello" (or don't say it) to persons of different (perceived) status...

[Wade Frazier]

Boy, this is almost getting eerie, like Ilie is reading my mind. I made a little reply to it here this morning:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post638913

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

The other day I had to go to the dentist. (That's a whole new field that would be revolutionized by FE, but it's a different story for later).

I got in, much earlier than my appointment, and I also had to wait for a few people that were there before I was.

So while waiting, there was a pile of glossy magazines on a small table, with happy sexy people on the covers.

I took a few and browsed through them. One of them was "Men's Health" and another "Psychology" (or some such...). By their title you'd think you'd learn something from there...

But page after page, after page, there were ads, more ads, full page ads, two full page ads, glamorous women and men telling me how this and that watch would improve my self esteem, how health is about eating ice cream, how to push her buttons, how to push his buttons and so on... I was almost laughing after a while.

So I've put those down and thought about what is considered information (or health information) these days in those magazines... they were virtually all ads for various expensive products guaranteed to make you feel like a celebrity and fix all your problems!

Surely those magazines are free and anyone can just pick them up and get their dose of ads, since their sponsors would cover the costs... Not so!! Those magazines are quite expensive! That was a shock... people actually buying this stuff to get it into their minds so they can self-hypnotize into believing they need more stuff...

At least the pictures were really cool (as far as color and photographic technique goes).

So why would a producer of such a magazine want Free Energy? Why would the people selling "high class" products would want Free Energy? How about their customers? Well... they DON'T! Free Energy would put an end to all of this non-sense. Their so called careers and "research" would be finished. Their "glamorous glossy" life style ceases to have any meaning or value. Sure they want more money, more products, more boats, more expensive jewelry, but not Free Energy... not if that would mean the end of their niche, not if that would mean that anyone can afford anything and therefore their bought "specialness" would become evident for the emptiness that it is...

And I don't really criticize them either. Looking at how the mind works, they are most of the time on automatic pilot, running the programs they've seen in their parents and their peers. And it's incredibly difficult to change this auto-pilot, mainly because you're not aware of it, but also because it's estimated that this auto-pilot is about 9 times stronger that your conscious awareness. And your conscious awareness gets tired while your auto-pilot does not!

The theory of the mind, as seen by hypnosis, divides the events in our lives into "knows" and "unknowns". The "knows" are what you've already learned, what is familiar. The "unknown" is what you do not yet know. But here is where it gets interesting! As far as the subconscious part of the mind is concerned, the "knows" are positive and pleasurable, even if you do not like them at the conscious level. And the "unknown" causes fear and panic for the subconscious.

This pretty much explains why humans are quick to defend their niche in hell! and they may have illogical panic attacks if their subconscious mind glimpses what a huge change (unknown) Free Energy is! And everybody is more or less a "slave" to this model of the mind. Becoming aware of it, is one of the ways to train your subconscious, to learn new "knows" and replace the old ones. And such changes do not happen over night either... This is why is important to immerse your self in the study of Free Energy, if you want to bring it forward. This is why I appreciate Wade's constant effort of posting on his thread and repeating himself over and over and over again... As far as I know, with the theories we have today, it's the only way to get your deeper mind accustomed to the idea of Free Energy. Once you do that, your mind will start helping you instead of fighting you. You create a "habit" to think in Energy terms. To see Energy everywhere. To ask the Energy question every time a so called "radical solution" is proposed.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

I just staggered through the door after a 14-hour day, and your post gave me a laugh, in a good way. I wish I could take credit for some keen strategy of repeating myself over and over, but I may not be able to help myself. Part of me realizes that if my readers keep seeing the same message, from slightly different angles, part of it will click for them. There is nothing easy about getting to Level 12. But part of me is probably marking time until I can get that essay done, and a way to hone some of my chops with this stuff. Avalon was not a planned experience for me. What I am doing here is one of the things I had in mind, but I also look forward to when I can raise the game. Whatever I end up doing at Avalon long-term will be playing at a higher level than we have seen here so far, and that will be the fun part.

I think that Scott’s little experiment highlights the issue very clearly, when he asks people what they would do with their life if all of their needs were met. The most common answer is, “I don’t know.” FE and abundance is so far outside of their conceptions that it is simply unimaginable. That is one of the primary reasons why I say that the vast majority of humanity is not going to begin to understand until it is a reality, or close to one. Then a lot is going to crumble, and quickly, but once people can see that nobody is going to starve or suffer, that there is plenty for everybody, then even those magazine moguls will start to get it.

I think that one of the things that could happen is that people will think that their lives have been a big waste of time before FE and abundance came into their lives. There is virtually nothing that I do in my day job that would survive in a world of abundance. Everything that I do would become obsolete. But what we are doing is part of our plan, if many mystical sources are to be believed. I would like to think that most people will be able to toss out what no longer “works” and begin to embrace what does. If I ever live to see that kind of transition happen, it will be a very interesting way to spend my old age.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Time for another post here.

In the last few months I took a really deep dive into the human mind, what it is and how it works. It's a subject that fascinates me, I do read a lot about it, do experiments around it (mostly on myself), and observe "the others".

There are many models for the mind and many theories of the mind. I have looked in depth at some of them. I have noticed many mentalists, hypnotists, medical doctors and psychiatrists being locked into "their theory of the mind", much like the "laws of physics" for scientists. I am pretty confident to say, that while various theories and models work and are usable in various cases, nobody actually knows what the mind is and how the mind works. Also, even though I do read a lot about this, I do not consider myself an expect and I strive to learn more and develop a comprehensive view of the issue.

With all that out of the way, I have an insight that I think is relevant for this thread.

Experiments with hypnosis and suggestions (/suggestibility) tend to show that we "react" most of the times based on programs that we are not aware of. This is important, because it brings into focus the questions: are we really sentient?!

A lot of people look at mentalists or stage hypnosis and usually have one of the two reactions:
- this was all fake, with actors and all that
- that's cool, but this would never work on me!

In my opinion both reactions miss the mark! I think a more productive attitude would be: "Wow... our minds are incredibly powerful and strange and unknown to us! If the mind can be hacked for all those funny effects, what other gems are there, suppressed by my belief system?" Nobody seems to make the connection that they are suggestible the entire day to various input and most if it at sub-conscious level. On stage, it's just more dramatic and obvious, but it does not end there.

When you make a decision, like choosing a "random" number, do you really think that you are actually making a free decision? Mentalists seems to prove that you do not. You will respond based on a set of programs that are currently triggered (working) in your mind. Your decision is not free at all. This is really a scary thought to consider. We are basically locked inside our own minds. We have a ton of programs running that we have little to no conscious control over, and the advertisement industry (just to take an example) works really hard to hack into those programs or trigger them in a specific way.

The good news is that we seem to have the ability to "step back" and look at all of this. The bad news is that it seems to be incredibly hard to step back and then not get pulled right in, into your unconscious behavior. So I really sympathize with those that say we are all under "mass hypnosis" thinking we are a wide awake and aware. Or those that say we are not really sentient, but we simply have more sophisticated programs and more fine tuned "training of our young" than the monkeys do. (no offense for the monkeys!)

So what has all this to do with Free Energy? Well, according to various models of the mind, this trance-like state we are in most of the times, simply reacting to stimuli and not consciously responding, is a very very old response to fear. In an abundant society, we would hopefully learn not to be afraid anymore and so unlock our minds from fear's grip. Right now, it is perceived as not being safe to be aware and conscious. First of all, you get to see all the pain around you and then, the "hive mind" will see you as different and work really hard to get you back in line...

I also have hunch (that I cannot confirm in any way), that is not an accident that our models of the mind are what they are today. That even though "conscious" and "sub-conscious" are mentioned, nobody really talks about consciousness and what it is. So they still keep to a pretty materialistic view.

I wrote this post today thinking of Wade. He has been (forcefully) deprogrammed and then re-programmed into a new way of thinking. Sometimes I really wonder what it would be like to "see" the world through his mind? Most of the time I think I get it, but looking at his life experience is most likely that I don't! I can imagine that Wade does have to make a conscious effort to hold a positive vision for the future having been through the meat grinder. It's really amazing he is not resentful and bitter. But he definitely sees this word in very different shades and colors than most of us do. I can only hope his efforts will get through our own beliefs systems and plant some seeds there...

(Hi, Wade! sorry to talk about you and not at you).

[sandy]

Hi Ilie,

Great post and one that definitely depicts the breadth and depth of your mind and mindfulness. I do believe that we are sentient beings at the core of our essence however the conditioning of crud is so thick that often it takes many deep scrapes of the scalpel so to speak before we can truly feel the pain and beauty that lies within our hearts and souls.

Much of my career was working with what others would call the dregs of life (maximum security inmates,street people/addicts,etc) and I always looked for the gem inside and never hesitated to show them mine. I can honestly say at no time did I ever feel that my life was in jeopardy even though I bared my physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being leaving me ultimately vulnerable on all levels to some of the most dangerous of inmates.

My approach may have not been to level headed for most but it did prove to me that giving that much trust and honoring the spirit in others, creates a circumstance that one can only respond in like. One Sentient Being recognizing the other Sentient Being.I did not do this consciously or all the time but when it happened the inmate and myself , in later reflection would be baffled, both probably kicking our inner asses for taking this kind of risk in such a dangerous atmosphere. From this point on though there was a respect and unspoken bond that facilitated growth for our relationship and personal evolution no matter the avenue of each of our journeys. I would venture a guess that this is how Dennis eventually found his footing inside prison walls and gained such respect from his fellow inmates, as Wade has written of on his Thread.

Even dominant dogs will honor another dog who bares his chest and throat and will end the fight>>>>dogs are sentient beings too IMO.

So although we give much credence to the mind there is something much greater that can't be qualified at all other than spirit, all that is, source and the wonder and awesomeness of LOVE!! What is Free Energy??>>>> it is Love and when Love prevails all energy will be Abundant and Free

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Hi Ilie:

It looks like today I get put on the couch! You are not the only one.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post654212

As usual, you bring up big subjects, and brilliantly. One very interesting aspect of my studies since 1990 has been running into Noam Chomsky in various arenas. When he took on Skinner’s theories long ago, it presaged his political work:

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19711230.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2223151/

Chomsky has published books with titles such as Manufacturing Consent and Necessary Illusions, titles lifted straight from the writings of the 20th century’s propagandists, and when I say propagandists, I mean it like Chomsky did, in showing how those were actually respectable public positions, with people such as Ed Bernays making no bones about the need to engineer the public’s mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays#Propaganda

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#bernays

I was reading an “ode” to Bernays just the other day:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=48749

I have written how Dennis’s encounters with Skinner ended his career before it started:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#skinner

But Dennis, in his own way, is trying to manipulate the herd into saving themselves, whereas people like Bernays and Skinner did their best to enslave them. I have come to reject the idea that people can be manipulated into saving themselves, or if they can be, I want no part of it. I am going after the full sentience route, or at least trying. I don’t think that we can out-herd the master shepherd, and I really don’t want to try.

The issue of our consciousness, if we really are a sentient species, and the like, is a very open question on the scientific front. White science has really only barely scratched the surface, but when their focus is purely materialistic, relating to a phenomenon that seems to have no material essence whatsoever (they have yet to put a mind in box, or on a test bench in a lab to be studied), they will be playing a small game. It is OK that it is a small game, but it would be nice if they admitted it, instead of pretending that they are onto the big game. When people such as Skinner and Bernays played the games that they did, the mind was simply some technical problem that engineering would solve.

The thesis of Manufacturing Consent is really unchallenged, as far as I have seen, and I have looked:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#manufacturing

Stuff like Sophal Ear’s work just does not cut it.

On my journey and my state of mind, we probably all think that being in our own minds is a trip, and it really is. Human consciousness is a miracle. Any consciousness in any life at all is a miracle. You can’t study biology, evolution, physics, and the like, in any depth at all, to come away with a sense of awe that any of this exists. But it does. The mystical writings of the greatest physicists are really something to ponder:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#mystical

Schrödinger might have been the most mystical among them, and his book What is Life? led directly to the discovery of DNA’s double-helix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_Life%3F

Consciousness, matter, energy – these are the fundamental questions. What is any of it?

I keep referring to those overgrown Boy Scouts and their unbelievable journeys:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#scouts

But none of them ended up angry and bitter. All were sobered, with their lives often wrecked, but they were all after bigger game than the goals that most people seek. They sought to really do some good in the world, and when that becomes your goal, the stuff that makes people angry and bitter really is not applicable, because when people become angry and bitter, it is about their frustrated egos. People like Dennis, Brian O, and Mr. Professor were after soul-sized game, not the conventional “success” that most people measure their lives by. I am almost tempted to say that the slings and arrows that came their way did not harm them, but that is not true, either. It is just that they accepted those hazards as coming with the territory, although none of them would have really believed it when they set out. If what I survived was all about my ego and getting rich, that sure was a stupid way to go about it. I was playing a different game, so my reaction will not be like “normal” ones. I am still human with my issues, but I definitely march to a different drummer, and I am not complaining.

To kind of segue to Ol’ Roy’s comments:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post654212

I did go through a meat grinder, but it really was nothing, not when compared to what Dennis has survived, and he is still at it, incredibly. He is the only person I know of who can meet these qualifications:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

and I meet most of them, but I am not asking anybody to meet any of those qualifications, but in order to join the choir, you will need to, first of all, sing, and this thread is full of singing. But the choir will not be comprised of anonymous members. That is not in alignment with what I have in mind for the choir. People can go start their own Choir of the Anonymous, with my blessings. I am doing something different.

But I want to finish this with something relating to the thread’s theme.

Yes, the so-called models of the mind today are conditioned on materialism (which is a scarcity-based ideology http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant), and once materialism dies its deserved death, the “models” of the mind will look little or nothing like what we see today. The science of consciousness is the greatest science of all, and today’s White Science has truly not even scratched the surface of it.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Hi Ilie,

Thank you for all those thoughts. This issue of how we are programmed and how we might learn to re-programme ourselves is a big one.

It is very easy for us to allow our worlds to become small without our realising it.

For those whose financial poverty has them enslaved to a routine of survival, the way in which their world is pressured to be confined is clear. But in wealthier segments of society it is easier for someone to believe they are free, because where survival instincts soften with their diminished necessity, endless avenues of choice seem to open up that appear to enlarge someone’s world (the kind of avenues that Edward Bernays understood.) There is, for that ‘safer’ person, an expanded variety available in education, retail, entertainment and pretty much every other outlet. This can provide the illusion that someone is experiencing more in their life than they really are. It requires greater vigilance on our parts. It reminds me of a summation I heard once, that (to paraphrase) over time wisdom was supplanted by knowledge, and then knowledge by information. To put it another way : "My hum is mostly below range... ...objecting to how the century is turning out. Where all is known and nothing understood." (From the novel Love, by Toni Morrison.)

You mentioned the ‘stage hypnotist’ which creates an interesting example because it ties in with the choices we constantly face of passive experience versus conscious creation, the puppet versus the puppeteer. We could take the example of the growing trend amidst young people at concerts to watch an entire performance through the video screen of their camera-phone, never once making actual eye contact with the performers. They are removing themselves from the full physical experience of interacting in the moment and they are processing their surrounds in an entirely new way. But is it a way that truly enlarges their world, deepens their experience and fully utilises their mind, body and spirit? Our mind, body and spirit activated in unison with all our senses provide a powerful receiver through which to process the world with our souls. If we choose to experience our lives in ways that remove us from the richness of what our mind, body and spirit are capable of perceiving, then however fancy the illusion of advancement is, we are reprogramming ourselves to bypass our natural gifts and are, in a blinded fumble, diluting our potential.

I watched with great sadness once as a performer took a dive off stage into the crowd. Instead of catching him (as you’d expect) the audience members allowed him to fall and could be seen filming him on their phones rather than asking if he was alright and helping him to his feet. The variety of ‘life-enhancing’ gadgetry at their fingertips had interfered with their natural instincts, rendering them less compassionate, and less responsible for their immediate world. Caught between the rough pressures of survival and the anaesthetising effects of technology, we’re reminded to cherish and nourish our souls with greater joy and renewed passion. To give as freely from our souls as Sandy describes. It was such a beautiful post, it did stir my soul. Thank you so much Sandy.

In our culture of computer technology the idea of ‘programming’ invites us to apply more tech’ vocabulary to how we function as people. It’s as if with technology we have created a world behind a mirror in which to explore ourselves, and now - as we face the enormous choice of whether it takes us forward or grinds us down - we can use its terminology to help us find our way back home, and/or integrate our technological experiences with more awareness It reminds me of something Terrence McKenna said :

“When you shed the cultural operating system then essentially you stand naked before the inspection of your own psyche. Desmond Morris called it ‘the naked ape,’ and it’s from that position, a position outside the cultural operating system, that we can begin to ask real questions about ‘what does it mean to be human? What kind of circumstance are we caught in, and what kind of structures, if any, can we put in place to assuage the pain and accentuate the glory and the wonder...?’ ” He goes on to describe how, because of his extensive travels between different countries’ cultures, he gets the ‘jolting experience’ of changing his operating system frequently, and then adds... “If you are a positivist, if you’re running Positivism 4.0, you can’t support UFOs... If on the other hand you’re running Urantia Book 5.1 as you’re operating system, UFOs and a number of other things can get in through the door.” Audio source: http://youtu.be/9c8an2XZ3MU

If we want to re-programme our way of viewing the world there is no substitute for experience. When our inner-world grows tired we can dive into new physical or external challenges, and when what’s available to us externally ‘appears’ to become mere repetition we can return to our inner work, and so it goes. What’s important is to keep it flowing. Whenever I feel mired in doubt and too hesitant to move, I know that therein lies the problem; I must rejuvenate my creativity and seek challenges that can sweep new energies through my little world. And when it comes to reconfiguring our worlds the way we would like them to be, I’m reminded of this story...

A young tribe member approaches the tribal medicine man and says to him,

“I have a question. It feels as though there are two wolves inside my soul. One is made of darkness and the other is of the light. They are battling one another for control. It feels as though they are in a fight to the death. Tell me, which one will survive?”

And the medicine man replies:

“The one that you feed.”

The last century has seen a steep shift in our technological and cultural evolution. Perhaps we now have a choice, having learned what we do and don’t like about its influence, to return to our inner technology a little wiser. Perhaps we are in a unique place where we can utilise technology’s benefits to lift us out of survival mode and explore the cosmos, whilst also reducing the negative impact our exploratory and creative natures will have on earth’s environment. Even as a loving free-energy world sees us become less dependent on external technology, for as long as I’m incarnate in a body, I can count any number of experiences that are more enjoyable when experienced physically, rather than just psychically. To travel physically around the world and feel the grass beneath my feet, or to hear the subtle frequencies of bliss and other emotions in someone’s laughter when I’ve been able to travel to be with them, rather than merely speak on the phone. A responsible application of free energy means we can continue to enjoy these things, and our general creativity, but without plundering the planet to facilitate it.

If we are going to learn how to travel the stars and be sustained by sunlight rather than the food we are used to, we do need to transcend our survival mode first. With free-energy the easing of the burdens that hold us back makes the option of self-sustenance and psychic development a more realistic pursuit for billions more people around the world. Imagine, not just 30,000 Yogis with an understanding of how to sustain a harmony that encircles and heals our planet, but billions of people exchanging a vitality and abundance of light. I love to envisage the free energy world that helps us do just that. I can see there are pitfalls to be mindful and consistently aware of; but the beautiful leaps and changes in our world arise from the places in us that know how to hold and feel a vision of something greater. That of our truest and most loving potential.




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29.03.13 (After Ilie’s, Sandy’s and Titanium’s thanks were made)

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
...I can imagine that Wade does have to make a conscious effort to hold a positive vision for the future having been through the meat grinder. It's really amazing he is not resentful and bitter. But he definitely sees this word in very different shades and colors than most of us do. I can only hope his efforts will get through our own beliefs systems and plant some seeds there...

I read your post again today Ilie and that part stayed with me. I was walking amidst people yesterday, struck by the twists and turns of fate that were carried on their faces and mapped in their eyes. Each one so different, but all of them in close proximity, sweeping through and between one another’s energy fields. I was reminded of a woman I heard about once. She was a concentration camp survivor. She had been encouraged many years later to write her autobiography. Very sadly, her experience of people’s betrayal during the consequent, surrounding events left her with additional scars, and drew her into an even more reclusive life, with the feeling that people simply could not be depended upon. I never came across a follow-up to her story. I hope that she found peace that was able to heal her. Dark and rare experiences can isolate their carriers to such a powerful degree it can be hard to find others who understand from the depths of their own experience. Truly I think Wade’s work has sewn some wonderful seeds, many of which flourish quietly in numerous souls, many of whom may never join this forum or make their presence known. Wade, Thank you for sharing so much with us. Good work is being done.

[Ilie Pandia]

Today I've listened to some "free energy activists" and I was amused by this saying:

"Oh.. Free Energy would save our economy! Would create more jobs! Would end our reliance on oil!" (of course it was an American speaking ).

So it was the nationalistic flavor shining through, but what struck me most was the speaker seeing Free Energy as "just improving my niche in hell". They really did not think very deeply about it, at all. So deeply locked into the scarcity paradigm...

Free Energy will NOT (I repeat will NOT) save our economy (or the US economy). There will be no economy to save! "The economy" (as we think of it today, the accounting game) would make absolutely no sense once Free Energy gets out. US will not return to being the "greatest nation on the Planet" once they have Free Energy. That nationalistic view will again be blown to pieces.

The advent of Free Energy is "the event!". It is like nothing that ever happened in human history before. The world of Free Energy we can barely imagine (and it's obvious most cannot go past their jobs or electricity bills). The abundance world will be so, so different from today! Forget the economy... it does not matter one bit... And forget trying to get an "edge" over the communists, over the Arab world, over the Russians and what have you... This is not how this stuff works...

I really don't understand, why is it so hard to follow through on this Free Energy thought? Why get stuck at the "save the economy level"? The only answer I can come with is that people do not get it, that energy runs the show! Absolutely and everywhere!

When I've started looking into Free Energy I had the following train of thoughts:

1) I'll get rich pretty fast!
2) Nah,... I'll get killed before I get rich, since I would upset the energy cartel.
3) So then, I'll simply become free, because if I have energy, I will not longer need any kind of money.

I don't consider the above to be very advanced thinking, but at least I got it pretty quickly that Energy is what I need and not money. Perhaps a slight advantage that I had was that I know about "energy conversion". So I knew that if I have energy I can convert that to: electricity, heat and mechanical work! And that's pretty much all you need and it's doable today, with "White Science" tech, as long as you have the energy to power it.

So if it's a message that I could broadcast into people minds today is: "It's all about energy folks! All others theories and models are illusions and even those are power by energy since you require energy to even dream up or fake stuff"

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

When I see you write stuff like that, I have real hope that the choir will form, and you are kind of getting at the root of what I am doing.

Again, I started out at Level 0:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level0

and went almost straight to Level 10, because of whom I was with when we started thinking in terms of FE:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

Very early on, the mind-boggling nature of FE became evident to me, and even to Dennis, but he was trying his populist route of making it happen. While I have nothing but the utmost respect for Dennis, who is the greatest person that I will probably ever meet, he was trying to reach people on the “save on your energy bills”, “get rich,” “Patriot,” “Christian” angle of FE, and we attracted Godzilla’s attention almost immediately:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

although he was surely watching what happened in Seattle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

and one of his assets helped take down the Seattle operation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hitman.htm

so he might have had more to do with the Seattle experience than was evident, but we will probably never know.

However, very early on, as I saw the many reactions to the idea of FE, it was evident that nobody was even beginning to see the big picture, as greed and fear took over. Even today, I get FE activists who challenge me on the reality of the billion dollar bribe:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#offer

the reality of what happened to us, and so on. The lies repeated by newbies like Foster’s crew:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post633801

are just par for the course. Even somebody like Steven Greer has had a hard time understanding the radical shift that FE will necessarily bring to the world. I have even seen him wave the American flag. I am the only American FE activist who has ever written anything like this:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

Almost nobody in the field was even hinting at the paradigm shift that FE would mean, and that is a big reason why I finally went my own way with this stuff, and don’t even want to interact with the FE community much, as they are in arrested development, at the scientist-tinkerer-capitalist-"activist" stage, staging meetings at grocery stores to talk up saving energy bills and making America great again. Somebody had to at least start taking the conversation to the level where the situation could begin to be comprehended at the paradigmatic level. Because when enough people can do that, all the pettiness, greed, and other small-ball reactions to the idea of FE will hopefully be seen as not only primitive, but people will keep thinking at the paradigmatic level, even if somebody like Dennis is not around. With Dennis, he was meeting people at the business opportunity and other mundane, scarcity-based levels, and when he got wiped out, the people went back to watching TV.

I slowly realized that not only was Dennis not interacting with the right people, but the conversation was not one conducive to people beginning to get it. There was a mutual reinforcement thing happening, where the entire exchange was getting dumbed down into saving on energy bills, making money, and being a “good Christian.” I thought that somewhere on the planet, the high level conversation needs to be started, and that is what I am attempting to do. Even at Avalon, with me doing this for more than two years, I still get the sense that only you and a few others even have an inkling of what I am writing about. Well, you, me, a few others, and Godzilla. Godzilla gets it more than almost anybody else does. That is why offering a billion dollars for us to go away was a pittance to pay for the game he is playing. He knows how totally disruptive FE will be. He probably does not see the heaven on Earth aspect of it, except fleetingly, but all he can see is losing his power. Even the dissidents in Godzilla’s organization who gave a friend this show:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground

probably do not see the big picture. When I say that love and FE are joined at the hip, I mean it on several levels, and I have almost never met anybody who understands anything more than the most rudimentary level of it. If people get past knee-jerk denial or fear, they try to fit FE into the New Age flavor of the day, or the conspiracist flavor of the day, or the “activist” flavor of the day, make it into a business opportunity, and so on. They are still trying to pour the new wine into the old skins. FE is like nothing that has ever graced this planet. I can sympathize with people who think that humanity is not ready for abundance, or does not deserve it, or cannot be trusted with it, but that is fear talking.

There needs to be at least one conversation on Earth that deals with FE and what can come with it at the paradigmatic level, and that is what I am setting out to do. When I saw the post that you just made, my response was that I see at least one person chasing after those high-level understandings. You may think that you do not have a high-level understanding, and that it was just what you realized after thinking about FE for a little while (with maybe a little help from me ), but I have virtually never met anybody who evidenced the level of understanding that was in that post that you just made. I am just hoping that you are not all that rare. We will see.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

I'm glad Wade made a reference to this thread from his own, which I saw today. I often get on Avalon with a time limit and I plan to review a couple of threads and then get off quickly before I become fascinated with more topics, as I just have so much to do on a precious day off.

I am not as expressive as those who post on this topic, but I follow. I have been wringing my hands seeing this coming for decades. The "bad" being the drive for fuel...when in India many years ago I understood why the sacred cows (who are bone racks and eat garbage people sweep from their front doors) are sacred. The only fuel most people have is the dung of the cows. I saw housewives streaking from their dwellings in a race for a blob of cow pie that had just been dropped in the street, and fighting over it.

I saw stacks of drying cow dung in the back yards of restaurants - and realized this is IT. The starved, wandering sacred cow, foraging in its urban jungle.

The "good" was only in science fiction. While fascinated by the stories, the lives of the science fictionals were possible only because of the energy systems they enjoyed, or fought for, or how they could fold space, etc., etc.

The "ugly" was realizing that FE exists, progress could go way beyond electric cars, and a person who had designed one of them was purportedly shot while walking down the street one day ( a personal story of an acquaintance).

Then came the internet and complete overwhelm from the deluge of information, trying to sort out the disinfo...and not being able to with scientific topics, but having a keen sense when the spiritual or metaphysical overlapped. And weeding out the many authors/systems/meta-physicians down to a very few who seem worth the time.

After reading "The Battle For Your Mind" by William Sargant - www.ishk.com/battle_for_the_mind.pdf - if anyone wants to read - another jaw dropping event at realizing how easily the mind state is altered - by the simplest of repeated rhythms, cord progressions, television commercial lines, NLP. Understanding that our minds are really not our own, unless we know how to clear them, quiet them, feed them, and a la Wade, get out for a hike and get recharged with glorious nature.

Then came the Camelot interviews and O.M.G. it's worse than I thought. You must shut out a lot to raise a child, deal with public school (a hair-raising experience), put food on the table, and ignore the yearning for one's own continuing education. Not that there aren't rewards nurturing and supporting to one's best ability.

Sandy I have never had your experiences. I was a counsellor for a few years. The system I chose was supposedly more spiritual than the mainstream therapies, yet I came to find it hollow and quit. I read up on the more current fads and trends, the deceptions, the battles for the minds, and again overwhelmed myself. A bad habit of mine.

Getting into the past decade...a friend heard Steven Greer speak locally. The focus was supposed to be the UFO/ET issue, but what the friend came away with and related to me was "the powers that be are in real trouble if we don't need fossil fuels any more. The countries with the highest populations will be the most powerful and we're toast, we'll be overrun". Because everyone is hostage to the fuel brokers.

Yet, transforming that possibility into a reality of having FE, no country would have any reason to overrun another because there will be nothing to "get". Everyone will have. It seemed like Greer's fear was how can this transformation be managed, because it's inevitable. Again, this is years ago and things have happened since. Mostly in the "bad" category.

How the materials used in our electronic devices are mined is a horror story, as well as the lessor-but-evil sweat shop situations for our clothing etc.

I have only repeated in this post what's been said many times, and I'm not sure this post is useful. And I've used up my Avalon time - and I'll probably come back later and delete. It's only my personal experiences and it's nice to connect, as no one around me wants to hear any of this.

I'm not singing, I can't express from my soul right now.

As to our actual sentience - I'm watching the news footage of the folks wrapped in fake gorilla fur raising a baby one, hoping that one of the moms in the zoo will accept it. Very uplifting.

Yet, I'm hoping that the zoo system is an activity that will be dropped when we have the FE to quietly travel and observe any species in their home habitats, blissfully oblivious of humans. O.K. I may have sung a note there. Warmest regards all.

[Wade Frazier]

CdnSirian: Please don't delete that! It is important.

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

CdnSirian’s wonderful post provides several different ways to relate to it, but I will just take a couple for now. One is using cow pies for fuel. As I have written, my grandparents grew up on homesteads in Kansas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

and while they grew up after the bison herds had been exterminated, my grandfather’s ancestors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn145

burned “buffalo chips” for fuel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_chip#Variants

and I heard plenty of buffalo chip jokes while growing up. Burning buffalo chips, or fighting over cow pies, is quite impoverished. Mining kerogen is not quite at the buffalo chip level, but is definitely heading in that direction. I don’t have the time today to draw a chart, but this one may provide a hint:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

Burning manure for fuel is down there at or below the subsistence agricultural level. Places like India are almost in categories by themselves, and the problems there have a great deal to do with their colonial history. Two hundred years of oppression sets dynamics in motion that take a long time to play themselves out. India has not had access to the energy needed to industrialize, and the demographic transition that comes to industrial peoples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...on#Stage_Three

has come fitfully to nations such as India. But to CdnSirian’s point about how nations won’t overrun each other if they all had FE, I want to add a radical view here, on what becomes obsolete: nations.

Territoriality is primarily an energy game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)

and geographic political boundaries are nothing more than ape territoriality writ large. When nobody is trying to fight off competitors for energy-based resources, and elites are no longer milking the system to accrue economic benefits in a world of scarcity, geographical political boundaries will become increasingly meaningless. The first reaction that almost everybody who encounters this idea has is fear. But that is a projection of our current scarcity-based reality onto a situation of abundance, kind of begging the question. Not far along the abundance curve, the idea of possessions begins to become obsolete. John Lennon wondered if we could even imagine a world without possessions. In a world of abundance, that idea becomes viable. The very idea of theft begins to become obsolete. As I have stated before, the idea of right and wrong starts becoming obsolete, as those ideas were initially based on survival, when the margin of error was thin and a mistake could mean starvation and other privations.

A lot begins to become obsolete when abundance reigns. Some is obvious, but a lot is very subtle, and many features of modern civilization that we take for granted, or call “human nature,” become obsolete with abundance. Violating another person, which is always about taking something from him/her, will start becoming seen as highly primitive, such as slavery and other relics of history.

Time for bed after my long day.

Best,

Wade