The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved?

[cloud9]

Hi everybody,
For your consideration I'm posting this National Geographic documentary which I think it has the most logical and common sense theory about the construction of the Big Pyramid so far.

The video was uploaded on October 24/2011 at least on this channel, no idea when it was aired but I find it interesting that I had not heard anything about this before. I don't know if this information has been already posted but I haven't seen it on the forum.

SORRY.... NO ETs INVOLVED HERE.

Please take a look and post your comments.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4O5LOCI68

[Wind]

I can't see it here.

[merkabagirll]

Hmmm ...yes it's locked here too.

[DevilPigeon]

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Doesn't work here either...

[witchy1]

me too - not sure what it contains however apart from some egyptologists, there is IMHO a moiuntain of evidence that not only egyptians but many other old cultures knew how to fabricate stone. This has recently been "reinvented" called geopolymeric agglomeration of inorganic matter. The egypt stones are made from Limestone with Kaloin plus lime and natron apparently. MIT support the Chemist Professor Davidovits and the creating stone evidence.

I cant find the article, however Professor Davidovits stated that it took something like 10 men 2 days to create 2x4 tonne blocks or something similar. They poured it into a mold and let it set.

Seems legit

http://www.relevant-television.com/a...davidovits.htm
http://www.bcrc.com.au/services/Geopolymers.aspx
http://www.geopolymer.org/
These are the research papers: http://www.geopolymer.org/library/pa...pyramid-theory
Technical Papers: Geopolymer Science and Technics.
Archaeological Papers: Geopolymer science applied to archaeology

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.org/journ...ion-in-th.html

Tons of informaiton on the net for you to check out

[cloud9]

I really don't understand how the links don't work as I can see the video from the forum page. In case it doesn't work again please look for the title of the video: The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4O5LOCI68

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ws4O5LOCI68

[cloud9]

This is another documentary about the same french architect author of the the theory

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2r7PIceJU4M

[Ol' Roy]

Interesing Witchy!

The Romans invented concrtete, hey?

Could have been one of those unified mind things, where they were thinking at the same level, at the same time! We still do it to this day. An inventor will come up with something. Next thing you know, every one has it. Excluding some plagurism. Unified mind theory! Naw! lol

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by cloud9 (here)
For your consideration I'm posting this National Geographic documentary which I think it has the most logical and common sense theory about the construction of the Big Pyramid so far.

This show rejects an external straight ramp, an external spiraling ramp around the outside, and cranes.

It then determines that the great pyramid was built using an internal spiraling ramp, now hidden perhaps ten feet inside the outer surface.

Here's the blurb from the Youtube page:

How were the blocks raised to the top of the 489 ft Great Pyramid? An architect develops a theory about a snaking internal ramp that's been hidden inside the pyramid for 4500 years.

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Unlocking the Great Pyramid

When ancient architects completed construction on the Great Pyramid at Giza, they left behind the greatest riddle of the engineering world—how did builders lift limestone blocks weighing an average of two and a half tons 480 feet up onto the top of the Pyramid? For centuries, adventurers and Egyptologists have crawled through every passageway and chamber of the Pyramid, measuring and collecting data in an attempt to determine how it was built. For the first time, a revolutionary theory argues that the answer may be inside the Pyramid. National Geographic follows renowned experts Architect Jean-Pierre Houdin and Egyptologist Bob Brier as there set out to solve the mystery of how the Great Pyramid was built. On an expedition to Giza, the pair uses Houdin's detailed blueprints of the structure and 3-D software to unlock the secret. Is Houdin's theory true that a ramp used during construction still exists inside the pyramid? The answer to this and other questions is revealed in this enthralling expedition to the Great Pyramid.

[cloud9]

This theory tackles three or more different mysteries about the pyramid.
1.- How the stone blocks were carried using the knowledge and technology of the time through an internal ramp that was built at the same time the pyramid was being built.
2.- Open corners that allowed the turning of the stones at the end of the ramp in every side of the pyramid.
3.- The Great Gallery that seemed not to have any purpose was cleverly deciphered by the architect as one of the biggest pieces of the building puzzle as it was used for the pulley system to lift the heaviest blocks of granite.
4.- According to Houdin the casing of the pyramid was laid first to allow the perfection of the symmetry and measurements and then smaller and rougher stones were placed filling the shell formed by the white casing.

So far, the best theory and if he's allowed to do some more studies on the "notch" on one of the corners it could be proven true. Let's wait and see.

[WEAREONE]

Doesnt really explain the precision needed by primitive stone builders to create the Pyramids. The precision and accuracy of the construction is considered even more accurate then modern construction. Heres one of many articles that points out what I believe is the great mysteries of the pyramid and that should not be ignored. Doesnt mean there has to be aliens involved, perhaps the ideas of lemuria and atlantis??

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-...-great-pyramid



The incredible precision and the quality of the construction of the Great Pyramid, as well as the mathematics of its dimensions, remain among its most enduring enigmas. For example, the faces of the Pyramid are perfectly aligned to north, south, east, and west with a maximum divergence of less than .015 percent. Modern structural engineers cannot begin to fathom why such perfection should have been attempted, let alone how it could have been achieved—especially by “primitive” Egyptians utilizing stone hammers and copper chisels. If the “error” had been as much as 1 percent, it seems highly unlikely any layman could have visibly detected the difference between such an error and the actual divergence.1 And yet 1 percent error is almost seventy times the maximum error found in the construction of the Great Pyramid.

In addition, the corners of the pyramid are perfect right angles, again with much smaller tolerances for error than anything built by modern technology. The base is a perfect square, and the ratio of the height to the perimeter seems to have been calculated to be the same as that between the radius of a circle and its circumference (1:2pi).2 In order to maintain this ratio, the angles of the sides had to be precisely maintained at the unlikely figure of 52 degrees.3 Because of such phenomena, recent prognosticators have even postulated that the Great Pyramid may have been a projection map of the Northern Hemisphere of the earth.4

Whether or not that is the case, there is both historical and persuasive scientific evidence that something was intended by the size and shape of the pyramid, and there is much more to the construction of the pyramid than has been commonly conceded by most Egyptologists and historians. And that “something” is highly unlikely to be simply the tomb of a long-dead Pharao

[ghostrider]

I believe the pyramids were built 70,000 years ago by our ancestors from the Lyra constellation ... they built them on mars, the moon , and earth ...

[Daft Ada]

I can't see the vids either, it just says it's blocked in this country (UK) But from reading the thread I rialise what it's about because I have seen it before. The only thing which ruins it for me is this. Imagine one of the ramps just inside the perimeter of the pyramid, how many men would you need behind the ten ton stone pushing and how many in front pulling, would the ramp be wide enough for that many and the team in front who are pulling would reach the end of the ramp, where it turns at a right angle to now go up the next perpendicular face so they would not be able to pull anymore, and the pushers would be too few to manage.

I seem to remember he said there was a square area, or landing, at the end of each ramp where the right angle turn went up the next ramp. (Although they found no real proof of that at the pyramid)
Ok so let's assume the pull team go around the corner and reverse up the next ramp with their rope rubbing on the corners of the stones around the turn to the previous ramp, causing great friction, but at some point the ten ton block reaches the corner.
Now there can be no pushers as no one can get behind it to push at right angles to start it up the next ramp because it needs to be pushed at right angle to the ramp they are on, and they are now fifty feet up, and I doubt they could get enough men on the next ramp to pull it around the corner because of the size of the ramp and the amount of men you need to move a ten ton stone block, and some of the blocks in the pyramid are a lot bigger than that!

Also don't forget this is a pyramid, it comes to a point, which means the higher you go the shorter the ramps become and the less men you can get on them when they are most needed

[cloud9]

Posted by Daft Ada (here)
I can't see the vids either, it just says it's blocked in this country (UK) But from reading the thread I rialise what it's about because I have seen it before. The only thing which ruins it for me is this. Imagine one of the ramps just inside the perimeter of the pyramid, how many men would you need behind the ten ton stone pushing and how many in front pulling, would the ramp be wide enough for that many and the team in front who are pulling would reach the end of the ramp, where it turns at a right angle to now go up the next perpendicular face so they would not be able to pull anymore, and the pushers would be too few to manage.

I seem to remember he said there was a square area, or landing, at the end of each ramp where the right angle turn went up the next ramp. (Although they found no real proof of that at the pyramid)
Ok so let's assume the pull team go around the corner and reverse up the next ramp with their rope rubbing on the corners of the stones around the turn to the previous ramp, causing great friction, but at some point the ten ton block reaches the corner.
Now there can be no pushers as no one can get behind it to push at right angles to start it up the next ramp because it needs to be pushed at right angle to the ramp they are on, and they are now fifty feet up, and I doubt they could get enough men on the next ramp to pull it around the corner because of the size of the ramp and the amount of men you need to move a ten ton stone block, and some of the blocks in the pyramid are a lot bigger than that!

Also don't forget this is a pyramid, it comes to a point, which means the higher you go the shorter the ramps become and the less men you can get on them when they are most needed

This is one of the point this new theory tackles very well. According to Houdin's the corners were open and in any one of them they have a pulley or mechanism which allowed the turning of the stones 90 degrees and start going up the next ramp.
The ramps were built at the same time the pyramid was so they were always working in open space more or less.

Just imagine the shape of the pyramid and how you would cut a piece on the corners being flat at the base and with your imaginary knife, making 2 vertical cuts which met at 90 degrees angle forming a new corner. I guess it's better explained when you cut a piece of cheese and you do it with 2 cuts going down from the top downwards.

For those who can't see the videos, go to YT and search for "The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary" title, it could work; perhaps looking for the National Geographic channel also.

It's also important the idea of the outer casing being laid first so they could have more accurate measurements and then the rest of the stones used as filling didn't have to be so precise.

Even though this theory is pretty good, obviously doesn't tackle the fact that their technology had to be far more advanced than archaeologists believe. If Houdin needed several years to reach his conclusions and he already had the thing made, it had to be very daunting to do all the calculations without computers and 3D images.

[conk]

Not many know that the Great Pyramid of Giza has eight sides, not four. Eight sides that can only be seen from the air and in certain circumstances. Each of the seeming 4 sides are concave or convex (forget which) that reveal, in certain light, that indeed there are 8 geometric sides. The math required to do this, the planning and execution, all impossible for this era.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by conk (here)
Not many know that the Great Pyramid of Giza has eight sides, not four. Eight sides that can only be seen from the air and in certain circumstances. Each of the seeming 4 sides are concave or convex (forget which) that reveal, in certain light

Concave .. each of the apparently four flat, triangular shaped sides is "pushed in." There is a vertical crease, from the top of the pyramid to the ground, right down the center of each of the four main sides, and these four main sides are actually two triangles, one on each side of that crease.

This is all explained and illustrated in more detail at http://www.thehealingpyramid.com/doc...%20Pyramid.htm

[sunflower]

For those who can't see the videos, go to YT and search for "The Great Pyramid Mystery Solved - National Geographic Documentary" title, it could work; perhaps looking for the National Geographic channel also.

Thanks, Cloud, although the first video was blocked in Canada I was able to view the second one. Fascinating theory. Hopefully someone will eventually post a copy of the first one that works outside the USA.

[Cidersomerset]

Its from 1992...............

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cjh2UOaoXfE

[witchy1]

IMHOTEP'S FORMULA TO MAKE LIMESTONE BLOCKS

As I understand the receipe is (in part) taken from the Famine Stele. The Sehel is found on the island Sehel, near Elephantine, Egypt, north of Aswan. It was discovered in 1889 by C.E. Wilbour and was deciphered by various egyptologists: Brugsch (1891), Pleyte (1891), Morgan (1894), Sethe (1901), Barguet (1953) and Lichtheim (1973).

It took about 1500 men and they were paid very well


1. SOFT LIMESTONE

To build the Step Pyramid Imhotep located a quarry of soft limestone, just one kilometer from the construction site to provide the raw material he needed to cast millions of modular stones. Soft limestone can be easily disaggregated either under pressure or by diluting it in water.
Shallow canals were dug in the soft limestone along the Nile, forming ideal basins for producing large quantities of muddy limestone. Imhotep's men began disaggregating the clayish soft rock with its water, until the lime and the clay separated, forming a mud with the fossil shells at the bottom.

2. NATRON SALT

Next a substance called Natron salt (sodium carbonate) was poured in. Salt is a very reactive substance that has a petrifying effect, which is why it is used to avoid the putrefaction of organic tissue.
Natron is found in very great quantities in the desert and in Wadi-El-Natron.
3. LIME

More lime, the mineral which binds, was added. Lime is a powdery residue obtained by burning and reducing to ashes sedimentary rocks such as limestone and dolomite. The fire oxidizes and converts the rocks into a powdery residue, and that is lime. The ashes of plants are also rich in lime and the priests established the custom of receiving ashes from cooking fires from all over Egypt, to add them to the mixture.
4. CAUSTIC SODA

Lime mixed with natron and water produced a third substance, a much more corrosive one, that sparks off a strong chemical reaction and transforms other materials. The water dissolved the Natron salt and put the lime in suspension, forming caustic soda.
Caustic Soda is the catalyst Imhotep needed to trigger off a powerful chemical reaction, one which would produce the fast integration of silica and alumina.
5. CEMENT

Men mixed the ingredients in the canals until a homogenous binder paste was obtained. Imhotep had invented a water-based cement. Now he had only to convert that cement into concrete.
6. LIMESTONE CONCRETE

His workers added more fossil shells, limestone rubble and silt from the river Nile, producing a concrete paste, which they carried up to where hundreds of small wooden molds had been prepared. These molds had been smeared with rancid oil to facilitate the release of the concrete once hardened.
The mixture was rammed into the molds as in the making of the packed earth called pisé, becoming a dense re-agglomerated limestone, which was let to dry in the shade, to avoid its cracking under the glare of the hot sun.
7. LIMESTONE BLOCKS

The hardened blocks were released from their molds and easily carried up to the construction site, by means of ramps over the tiers already set, until the men placed each block in its correct place.
The towering Step Pyramid was not only the first, but also the only one made entirely of small modular blocks weighing approximately 60 kilos apiece, easily carried by two men. In later times, much heavier blocks were molded and cast directly on the spot



Pouring Natron salt to the reaction basin


The mixing of lime, Natron, limestone and water.


The limestone concrete paste



The first mold filled with limestone


The leveling of the second mold



The filling of the third mold



http://www.scribd.com/doc/60102304/Famine-Txt


http://www.geopolymer.org/archaeolog...s-construction
http://www.relevant-television.com/a...oneformula.htm
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=9182

[Cidersomerset]

This is interesting, we know the Romans had concrete as demonstrated in a much
smaller scale in this demonstration....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lND7_c6my30

Are these builders making blocks or carving them ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=znQk_yBHre4

Uploaded on 1 Dec 2006


http://www.geopolymer.org/category/ar...

Are the pyramids made out of concrete, an artificial re-agglomerated limestone?
Joseph Davidovits and the Geopolymer Institute crew shows that only few people is
able to rapidly and easily produce several tons of pyramid stone blocks.