What technologies, activities or concepts will be made obsolete by Free Energy

[Ilie Pandia]

I see nations as a projection of possession (ownership): "This is my county!!"

On a lower level we have the town: "This is my town!" (or "my neighborhood!")

Going even lower we have families: "This is my family!"

And it probably boils down to: "This is my stuff" (my house, my car, my room, my money... etc).

PS: Yes, I believe the current "family unit" is scarcity based and will become obsolete or at least radically transformed in an Abundant world.

Marriage today, is mostly about being energy efficient and does not have much to do with love. I understand why that may not be very palatable for married couples, but ask yourself this: if you had access to all the resources you need (financial and otherwise) would it still make sense for you to marry? How would being married enrich your love for one another?

Moving together means expenses get divided by two. You no longer spend money to see each other (since you now live in the same house). Also moving together and getting married makes sure you "take ownership" of the other person. They become "yours" now! And you become theirs (and that somehow "feels good" - at least for a while...). I think there are even laws to make sure this bond is not broken .

And next we have families. In the past a large family meant a larger workforce and so a better chance to live through the harsh times. Today I see people around me, making children as an "extension of themselves". "This child is MY creation", "I did this this!", "Whatever I failed MY child will do". Obviously there are exceptions. And I believe most parent do love their children, but they are deeply programed in scarcity and that reflects in the way they grown and care for "the little ones".

Now, I am not saying that couples should not move together, or that marriage should be abolished, or that we should no longer have kids! What I am saying is that, in abundant world, much of the reasons and pressures behind those will go away. And so moving together or getting married will no longer be about energy efficiency and it will have a very different flavor. Also ownership will go away. And as for having children, I suspect "who's your mom and dad" will no longer matter as much (if at all!). The child is another human being worthy of all the love and care than any other human being enjoys and that's that.

A clarification. I don't have any children, so I may talk bollocks here. I am told that there is a special connection formed between a child and his parents (especially the mother). That may be so, but my point is, in an abundant world is perfectly safe and enjoyable to "bond" with any child, regardless if the child has your DNA on not... Perhaps some foster parents can understand this better. Why limit your love to one person when you can love everybody ?

[Wade Frazier]

Damn Ilie!

I was just about to go to bed, and I saw your post, jumped into bed, then had to get back up to write this.

To take your line of thought further, what also will become obsolete with abundance is race. I don’t mean racism, but race itself. All of the races are the result of the process that leads to speciation, which comes from geographical isolation and “inbreeding.” We have already seen that with Japanese women, when they get Western levels of calories and nutrients, they grow as big as Western women.

When people will no longer be geographically-bound, and the institution of marriage becomes something very different than we have today (and on that score, the USA is leading the way in ways, which is a result of how relatively rich we are), they will be reproducing with other races at will, and the genetic differences that we call race will gradually disappear. I read some channeled material long ago that said that on the USA’s West Coast the new race of humanity will appear, and it will have golden skin. There was a spiritual component to that change, but it is evident that it will also be a genetic change reflecting a different reproductive milieu. All races will gradually disappear, as all races will be able to mate with each other. This is probably an inevitable outcome of abundance, and it is going to be a new frontier for humanity, ideologically. Just as gender has been loaded with all manner of charged meaning that was really political-economic in nature, so has race been loaded up, big time. I would imagine that most people on Earth do not like the idea of race going away, but if they really thought deeply about it, their objections are really pretty petty.

OK, now I am going to bed.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

CdnSirian – thank you for your post. It was nourishing to read. The part about Greer (or any of us) fearing the transition hits on a huge point. I see this and Wade’s thread as a part of that transition; contributing to the exploratory work that helps build the foundations. Imagining what we want helps us create where we’re going. And the more we look at how our economic infrastructure works, and the history of why it works that way, the more we can look at ways to make the transition smoothly, with less fear – rather than taking someone else’s word for it (someone with their own agenda) that it can’t be done.

It can. And the more people support the exploration of how, the more soundly we can lay the path.



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Ilie, Post 461:

“Marriage today, is mostly about being energy efficient and does not have much to do with love. I understand why that may not be very palatable for married couples, but ask yourself this: if you had access to all the resources you need (financial and otherwise) would it still make sense for you to marry? How would being married enrich your love for one another?...”

“...In the past a large family meant a larger workforce and so a better chance to live through the harsh times. Today I see people around me, making children as an "extension of themselves". "This child is MY creation", "I did this this!", "Whatever I failed MY child will do". Obviously there are exceptions. And I believe most parent do love their children, but they are deeply programed in scarcity and that reflects in the way they grown and care for "the little ones".”

“I am told that there is a special connection formed between a child and his parents (especially the mother). That may be so, but my point is, in an abundant world is perfectly safe and enjoyable to "bond" with any child, regardless if the child has your DNA on not...”

When I look around I see similar factors at play Ilie. Without financial pressures (rooted in energy scarcity) a lot of unhealthy marriages would either break up or find it far easier to mend. And if a home is filled with the love of people who choose willingly, gladly, to be there, then the children under that roof will undoubtedly benefit, accessing even greater, warmer spiritual potential. Many people imbue their children with ambitions unconsciously. But an abundant world means there is less for a parent to prove, and more cultural support for parenting consciously. It would truly be a blessing.

To develop your last point - In an abundant world every orphaned or abandoned child could be cared for in a loving home, since more willing and caring parents would be able to adopt/house/nurture those children without it being a financial burden. Many who work closely with children know what it means to care for those beyond their own family. Currently, some teachers see more of a child than the child sees of their own parents. In a world of abundance parents would not be separated from the children because work demanded it, but all children whose parents preferred not to raise them closely would have access to far more potential nurturers and facilities (ones far more likely to be run by people who were there purely because they cared.) The benefit of people doing jobs they choose out of love rather than survival feels endless.

In terms of the scarcity programming, a lot of women in western societies feel overwhelmed with a new born child. Separated by distance and lack of money from legitimate community. Many spend most of their time alone with the children, ending up drained by both the lack of available support and also the guilt that accompanies the resentment they might feel. When I see footage of African tribal villages, the children are able to step outside their homes and entertain each other within view of all the mothers. The burden in that sense, on any one mother, is considerably less. And a warm climate obviously helps. But in a world of abundant energy you could have the best of both worlds. Fathers could be around their families more, as I touched on in post 398, and we could all travel far more easily and faster to those we care about, to offer and find support. Children would not have to labour for survival – one of the most shameful aspects of our civilisation. But any tribal communities that wish to remain living close to the land, without a space-pod for a mobile home, could have faster access to an abundant supply of energy and clean water.

Obviously many of us can and do build solid communities now, regardless of finance. But my point is that an abundance of energy makes it easier, and creates new ways to enjoy those communities. In a world of true abundance, blessed with equal education/opportunities available to all, and the existence of space travel, it would be interesting to discover how many would choose to live the hut life. The world where we have a choice is one worth working for. In that astonishing world, with truly beneficial (rather than superfluous) technologies, we are safer to travel as we wish, share our resources with those who cross our paths, and sleep well beneath the stars. Many of us may become eternal travelers.

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Wade’s response to Ilie, Post 462:

“...To take your line of thought further, what also will become obsolete with abundance is race...

...This is probably an inevitable outcome of abundance, and it is going to be a new frontier for humanity, ideologically. Just as gender has been loaded with all manner of charged meaning that was really political-economic in nature, so has race been loaded up, big time.”

That point really got me thinking.

It’s true I think a lot of people would be fearful of that possibility. In our world of scarcity the purity of our racial inheritance, or the ideal of that ‘purity’ in our minds, can be one of the things we cling to - to give us great comfort, joy, and a sense of belonging. It goes deep. The image of a native tribe around the campfire, or generations gathered round the family dinner table sharing stories over bowls of grandmother’s soup. Those are places filled with love and belonging; a sense of people on your side. In a world wrecked with war and poverty, where entire peoples can be torn from their ancestral homes, we cherish these living, breathing symbols of our roots with a fierce defence. (Even other people’s cultures can take on archetypal power in our heads; the purity of a country’s art or spiritual traditions offering sustenance to people who feel a lack of it from their own inheritance.)

But a world of abundance is one that makes the vast majority of our reasons for supporting/participating in war obsolete. It makes poverty obsolete. It eventually, in deeply positive and uplifting ways, makes ‘clinging’ to our differences defensively seem unnecessary and even a hindrance to our growing sense of adventure and appreciation of those around us. As our planet enters a new era of abundance and sees the old burdens we’ve carried for so long diminish, as we watch the seeds of trust, freedom and generosity blossom through generations, we will find new ways to gain nourishment from our history and our roots. New ways to understand and to honour them.

To anyone who is fearful, maybe it’s worth reiterating that this is something that will take place gradually over a long period of time. It’s not a reason to fear free energy or its dissolving of boundaries. Younger generations have found love outside of their own races, cultures and traditions despite the fears their older relatives may have harboured about the ‘change.’ Some of those younger individuals fought hard to find the courage to refuse an arranged marriage, and are deeply grateful that the technology of their age afforded them the education and the capacity to travel in order for them to find a partner that resonated with their soul, and not simply their economic needs. They have made homes built on a foundation of love and freedom.

My own roots are mixed in nationality, race and religion on both sides. It’s often made me feel lucky, because it naturally puts me in a position to see the futility of racism, nationalism or feelings of superiority based on religion. To pick a side to rally with would only put me in conflict with another part of my ‘self.’ Or more accurately, my heritage. There is undoubtedly the philosophy, the truth, that as a soul connected to you and to all through this universe if I hurt you I am only hurting myself. But when the ‘sides’ so many people fight for are inextricably mixed inside your own body, your own history, you are far more readily inclined to see the futility of aggression.

In a world of abundance no one will be forced to partner with someone they don’t choose. But more people will be free to travel and encounter more souls, more ways of viewing the world, and increase their exposure to more people they resonate with in the most joyous, most uplifting and deepest ways.

Wonderful.


[I’m sorry if I take too many words to say these things. If it’s any consolation this post was much longer before I whittled it down]

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Melinda:

Race won’t go away overnight, but in a world of abundance, it will go away. The geographic isolation that gave rise to the races will disappear. There will also likely be a lingua franca, and it probably won’t be English. People may speak their mother tongue for some generations, but eventually everybody will speak a common tongue. There will be universal translators in the meantime, but language and racial barriers will not only come down, but race will eventually vanish as a concept. People will likely still come in different shapes and sizes, but it won’t mean much. Obesity and starvation will both vanish in their time. All religions will be relegated to those quaint times when fear ruled. I’ll bet the people in this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

don’t spend even five minutes a day on their appearance. The color of their skin, eyes, and hair just don’t matter. When people are being soul-centric, stuff like appearance and fashion become meaningless. What we call “culture” is generally the scarcity-based adaptive dysfunction of a locality. When abundance comes calling, so much that seemed so important will simply evaporate. And yes, those who want to spend hours in front of the mirror, or want to revel in their scarcity-based heritage, will be free to do so, but those around them won’t be too interested in that, not when there is a galaxy to explore, love to be had, and high sentience to share. Health will be important - physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually - and perfect health will be the most basic thing that all have in common, and in the rare case when somebody needs some help, it will be there in an instant. And, of course, money and measuring economic exchange will be long gone by that time.

A lot that seems so necessary and important today will be put aside, like a boy who outgrows his toys. It won’t be forced on anybody, but the toys will eventually be discarded. Put into a museum, maybe, as a relic of primitive times, but they won’t be used again.

Best,

Wade

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi:

CdnSirian’s wonderful post provides several different ways to relate to it, but I will just take a couple for now. One is using cow pies for fuel. As I have written, my grandparents grew up on homesteads in Kansas:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

and while they grew up after the bison herds had been exterminated, my grandfather’s ancestors:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#_edn145

burned “buffalo chips” for fuel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_chip#Variants

and I heard plenty of buffalo chip jokes while growing up. Burning buffalo chips, or fighting over cow pies, is quite impoverished. Mining kerogen is not quite at the buffalo chip level, but is definitely heading in that direction. I don’t have the time today to draw a chart, but this one may provide a hint:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#chart

Burning manure for fuel is down there at or below the subsistence agricultural level. Places like India are almost in categories by themselves, and the problems there have a great deal to do with their colonial history. Two hundred years of oppression sets dynamics in motion that take a long time to play themselves out. India has not had access to the energy needed to industrialize, and the demographic transition that comes to industrial peoples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...on#Stage_Three

has come fitfully to nations such as India. But to CdnSirian’s point about how nations won’t overrun each other if they all had FE, I want to add a radical view here, on what becomes obsolete: nations.

Territoriality is primarily an energy game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_(animal)

and geographic political boundaries are nothing more than ape territoriality writ large. When nobody is trying to fight off competitors for energy-based resources, and elites are no longer milking the system to accrue economic benefits in a world of scarcity, geographical political boundaries will become increasingly meaningless. The first reaction that almost everybody who encounters this idea has is fear. But that is a projection of our current scarcity-based reality onto a situation of abundance, kind of begging the question. Not far along the abundance curve, the idea of possessions begins to become obsolete. John Lennon wondered if we could even imagine a world without possessions. In a world of abundance, that idea becomes viable. The very idea of theft begins to become obsolete. As I have stated before, the idea of right and wrong starts becoming obsolete, as those ideas were initially based on survival, when the margin of error was thin and a mistake could mean starvation and other privations.

A lot begins to become obsolete when abundance reigns. Some is obvious, but a lot is very subtle, and many features of modern civilization that we take for granted, or call “human nature,” become obsolete with abundance. Violating another person, which is always about taking something from him/her, will start becoming seen as highly primitive, such as slavery and other relics of history.

Time for bed after my long day.

Best,

Wade

Re nations: I've actually forgotten that when growing up in the arts, I experienced that "cultural exchanges" by-passed the Cold War rules and allowed passage for teachers and performers that were denied intellectuals and business persons. (I realize it's all the same crowd up at the top but I'm referring to us, the folks in the rear orchestra seats or above)...

As a student I got to observe the "no borders" effect and always thought how wonderful it would be to have a world devoid of political nations, yet well preserved in regional culture. I was aware that artists were considered a low form of trade or diplomacy, and otherwise barely tolerated. More recently described as parasites for using tax payer money.

(Looking at the corporate controlled trade treaties, the "standardization" treaties - let's all call vitamins drugs because it's unfair trade otherwise - yes it would be wonderful to see all of that obsolete. Without scarcity and engineered foods, we probably won't need the vitamins so much anyway.

We will see the huge hospital systems cutting back to community bone-setting facilities (kids will always climb trees, I hope), midwifery birthing centers and more of that ilk).

Wade thanks for triggering my memory.

[CdnSirian]

In a response to this post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post663648

"So, when part of the process is secret" - Wade ...re food production, or manufacturing in general, let's say...and also in response to the distance between the source and the consumer...

and also responding to: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post663512...

"Only then it dawned on me how much disconnected "the city people" are from the real world! " -Ilie



2 issues in the following poem - 1.the "secret" origin of rare minerals that make our electronics work - from secret mine to your ear or game controller...

2. the issue of sex trafficking in the "civilized" world...
and (while these may have been mentioned before) their becoming obsolete in a Heaven On Earth world.


HOW MUCH MUST SHE STORM



I grind another two scoops of coffee beans

Organic, fair trade. I will change the world.

And I will write all day. I am green, no paper for me

Electronic, per the day, per the century.



But then…there are…those little boys…

In the Congolese mines, kidnapped, scratching for tantalum

Their sisters little girl sex slaves – just useless eaters – each

Strip mined by rogue militias; our gadgets buy their guns.



Disposable, like we throw tissues, our landfills swell

But those mass graves will degrade neatly, no one’s watching

(And where were their mothers when…)? Give me a break – Shot!

Put out of the way of progress, they’ve served their purpose.



Wounded, these mothers rage, screaming to the Earth and sky

Pounding on Her, they grind their faces in Her mud

Smeared with traces of Her precious metals, this is their death mask

Has She heard them? Has She rolled under their hidden graves,



On their behalf tilted an island or two? Rocked a nation awake?

Exhaled poison particles – clocking the plutonium footprint?

Carbon takes the back seat and the twisted guts of clouds

Whirlpool Her garbage disposal of our stuff.



What have we generated – ivy degreed pillars of society

Don’t ask our stolen mall-rat girls, their ages, in the sexting.

No walking the streets or risking a private club raid;

New world markets are facilitated by electronic auctions.



Instant and encrypted connections made, money transferred

Milk carton children upgraded and risk-managed,

The viewer sites virus protected. Circuits sealed with tantalum.

But – busted! Mother Inc. cracked our code.



Do their mothers know they buy or steal humans?

She’s been listening, watching. She’s willing to tilt,

Quake, tide, ice, meltdown, over-clock, super-size…

How much must She storm?



- Sanskrit Literary Arts Magazine V.43 UNC Charlotte 2012

This was inspired by articles written by Christopher Hitchins. Over ten years ago, he published an article about blood diamonds, long before there was a movie. He also wrote a follow up, a few years later, about child soldiers. (kidnapped and forced to kill their parents as a "cult" indoctrination).

The last article I read, before he died, was specifically about the kidnapping of children for the mining of rare earth minerals - like tantalum - for electronics like X Boxes and iPhones.

Imagine what an iPhone would cost if this mineral were mined with union paid miners? No, it is being mined for FREE.

With FE do we still need tantalum and like minerals to make these devices? I am hoping not.

If this post doesn't quite fit here, please remove it.

[mosquito]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
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I do not consider myself evil, quite the opposite in fact. Also I think that most of the humans are good people with very very few really "dark pathers". But being a good soul does not seem to be enough, because I am trapped in various layers of fear and conditioning that I need to shed before I can talk about integrity.

...

Ilie, "integrity" can mean almost anything one wishes it to mean. The mere fact that you have written of your fears and human imperfection in such an open and honest way tells me that you have a wealth of integrity.

Update (Having finished reading the last 2 pages) Ilie, you've raised a lot of thought provoking points here, as has Melinda.

The scarcity paradigm manifests itself in many ways, "economics", jobs, competition - the list is endless, as it's deeply embedded. The majority of people today see things in terms of economics because that's what's put out constantly via the media.

I think I'd go so far as to say that scarcity is THE paradigm, it's present in its' many forms in every country I've ever visited (30) and, like I said elsewhere last year, I believe it's now deeply encoded in our genes, as I've witnessed competitive behaviour traits in children far too young to have learned them from society. Another name for it would simply be "survival", we behave the way we do in order to suvive, it's been that way for aeons.

Free energy, accompanied by a dogma-free (religious dogma, "scientific" dogma) understanding of our origins and our place in the world would see us learning that we can all live here comfortably, without competition and conflict.

Ilie - I laud you for looking so deeply at yourself, this is something that everyone needs to do. And don't worry, I'm an abject coward when it comes to violence and confrontation, we can't all be heroes ! It's one of the areas I'm looking at in my life, and it requires delicate handling.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi CdnSirian:

You have Limor’s affliction, thinking that your posts are not worthy. We all have our good and bad days, but I have never found yours or Limor’s posts anything but thoughtful, and they are anything but disruptive. You are some of the best posters on my threads. My posts are flying off of my keyboard about as fast as I can think some days, and are certainly not essay material, but that is not really the point of a forum.

If you still have any doubts about it, I’ll make your post “relevant” right now. In poor nations, life is literally cheap. That infamous memo that Summers signed:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#summers

has actually become a playbook:

http://www.counterpunch.org/1999/06/...nst-the-earth/

and that poem that you posted hints at the human and Earthly cost. As I wrote recently:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post662683

and I have written on this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post307019

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post491738

the kind of mining that we see today would become totally obsolete, from enslaving the poor to scratch after tantalum to the big, industrial mining operations ripping huge holes in the ground. Do we “need” all of those elements? Probably not as much with FE, as there is often an energy reason for using various elements. But even then, one nice asteroid has all the elements that humanity would ever really need. No need to rape Earth or humanity to get them. With FE and related technologies, the thin skin of Earth’s ecosphere, and the life forms that inhabit it, including humans, would literally be the last place in the solar system that we would want to mine to get our raw materials. And wherever we did mine would not be devastated, either. Mining devastation is all about energy scarcity, plain and simple. You are bringing up a subject that I have been meaning to write about, probably on the future Earth thread, within the next month. When I get that main narrative done, there are a few meaty posts that I plan to make before I dive into my essay, and mining and materials science will be the subject of one of them.

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
In a response to this post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post663648

"So, when part of the process is secret" - Wade ...re food production, or manufacturing in general, let's say...and also in response to the distance between the source and the consumer...

and also responding to: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post663512...

"Only then it dawned on me how much disconnected "the city people" are from the real world! " -Ilie ...

Re : The Bangladesh factory tragedy, taking place this week.

“Death toll passes 290 as staff describe how they were ordered to continue production despite raising concerns over huge cracks in the eight-storey structure”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-8585698.html

“Bangladesh factory collapse: Who really pays for our cheap clothes?...
...Seven hundred workers have died in factory collapses and fires in this very small region outside Dhaka alone in the last decade... ...As the demand for cheap clothing grows in the west, brands continue to look for ways to race to the bottom on prices, and sadly this involves cutting corners on health and safety...”
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/25/op...ion/index.html

Over 290 people have apparently died in a factory collapse in Bangladesh where clothing is manufactured for prominent clothing brands. I can’t find the words to describe how unbelievable it is that this can still happen with all the technology we have available on the planet. It is just one more story that drags to the surface the complete insanity of our current economic system. The one that puts profit before fundamental decency. Millions of people pressured and encouraged to put profit before safety, either for survival or financial gain.

We can’t change everybody’s scarcity-programming over night, but it seems to me that with an abundant supply of energy we can - far sooner than with current energy resources - free people from the work that machines can be doing instead, without threatening people’s survival. We can far more easily and safely demolish unsafe environments and build superior ones. And in the long term, with free-energy, more people will be freed to make choices based on their conscience rather than their survival, and the appeal that fashion holds as a form of expression to compensate for our lack of inner-security will gradually diminish.

I do see some aspects of fashion as an extension of our artistic spirit. It is an aspect of the way we explore our creativity at this stage, at this time, still. But while people are financially pressured to work in clothing factories when they would rather, in an ideal world, be doing something more enriching with their lives, there is something wrong with the picture. While customers are pressured to buy more new clothes to show that caring about their appearance ‘proves’ they care about themselves, and the price is people slaving in poor working conditions, there is something very wrong. While the environment is being additionally plundered to grow, manufacture and dispose of materials to supply this meme, there is something very wrong. But for anyone, anyone at all, to actually lose their life because other human beings succumbed to pressure to have more and more clothes, and other human beings were making money from it, is completely mind-numbing. Heart-breaking. It’s inexcusable.

For anyone who feels that signing a petition is better than not signing, there is one here :
"...Please take action now and call on Primark, Matalan and Mango to sign the Bangladesh Fire and Building Safety Agreement to prevent the future deaths of garment workers. It is such a simple action which would save so many lives. These disasters must not be allowed to continue..."
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petition...lding-collapse

John Pilger explored the bigger picture around this in his 2001 documentary The New Rulers of The World, where he visited Indonesia to highlight it’s impact there. But the same economic factors are obviously at play no matter where the sweatshops are :

”To examine the true effects of globalisation, Pilger travels to Indonesia - a country described by the World Bank as a model pupil until its globalised economy collapsed in 1998 - where high-street brands such as Nike, Adidas, Gap and Reebok are mass produced by cheap labour in 'sweatshops' and sold for up to 250 times the amount received by workers. He films secretly in one of the biggest sweatshops in the capital, Jakarta. Over footage of hundreds of mostly women and children in the camp, with its open sewers and unsafe water, Pilger reports that workers are paid the equivalent of 72p a day - about one American dollar - which is the legal minimum wage in Indonesia but acknowledged by that country’s own government as only just over half a living wage. Many children there were undernourished and prone to disease. While filming, Pilger himself caught dengue fever.”
http://johnpilger.com/videos/the-new...s-of-the-world

At one point the film reveals how clothing companies claim to be responsible by sending inspectors over periodically to monitor the conditions of the factories that supply them; but Pilger interviews anonymous factory workers who, amongst others issues, can be forced to work shifts of up to 36 hours with barely a break. They claim they are threatened by management that they will be punished if they dare to tell the truth and appeal to visiting inspectors:

John Pilger: “Do any of the people from the Gap company ever visit your factory?”
Anonymous worker: “Often.”
John Pilger: “Do they ever ask you about or investigate the working conditions, your working conditions?”
Anonymous worker: “Once that happened but the personnel section had already contacted the workers. You are not allowed to say anything wrong. It had to be what personnel told you.
John Pilger: “What they tell you to say.”
Anonymous worker: “For example, don’t mention the long shift overtime. Mainly you weren’t allowed to tell company secrets or give the company a bad name.”

You can see that part here, at around 9 minutes and 29 seconds in:
http://youtu.be/v3WbztsqScw?t=9m29s
But there is a better quality version of the full documentary on the page of Pilger’s site I linked to above.

We already have the technology to stop the tragedy that happened this week in Bangladesh from taking place. We already have the power, undeniably, to vote with our spending on what we consider acceptable. But an abundant supply of energy that ends our dependence on finite resources can completely change our economic structure, which is why researching and developing that new energy technology safely and publicly, to eventually make it available to all, is so important.

The free-energy world I envision is one where every man, woman and child is enabled to feed and house themselves to a safe and abundant standard, and travel freely and affordably. Where - as a result – no man, woman or child will be compelled to labour most of their lives in jobs that do not utilise their greatest potential, or pressured to labour at all in poor working conditions simply to survive and to satisfy others’ greed. The sooner the fallacy that such a vision ‘isn’t economically viable’ becomes obsolete, the better.

I’m sorry if I haven’t expressed any of this as well as it could have been done.

I write this for the people affected by what happened this week in Bangladesh, and I send my prayers for their families.

[Ilie Pandia]

Last week a pipe broke and flooded my apartment.

While waiting for the plumber to fix it, and getting really annoyed with the process, I had contemplated how this would be different in a Free Energy world...

Quite frankly, I believe broken pipes and plumbers will be obsolete! But even if that does not happen, something else will change: the attitude about "work" and what a "good solution is".

In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.

How would I have solved my problem in an abundant world.

At first, I had imagined I would have got a professional team to do the repair work, since money would no longer be an issue. But that was still scarcity thinking...

Next I thought I'd contact all the neighbors and plan together a major pipe upgrade with the latest technology available that will no longer break...

I was still thinking small... Because in an abundant world, as discussed, cities would become obsolete, so I would not have this problem in the first place!

But this is still a good example how scarcity shapes our world in subtle yet definite ways... How we do less than top quality work, because we need to be competitive, because there is only so much time in a day, because (quite frankly!) don't like what I do... and so on and so forth. The "price/quality" ratio would be meaningless in a Free Energy world. Less that top available quality, would make no sense...

And while looking at the pipes, I've also realized what an energy concentration machine The City really is. Providing water under pressure (hot and cold), continuously removing garbage and sewage waters from the basement, having the supermarket stores with filled shelves every day, providing heat or cooling for the inside of the apartment and so on... Cut the power for a few days in a city and you will end up a big pile of crap... quite literally, I am afraid.

I think that if you could peel away the city surface, you would be horrified to see what's under it...

All of that would go away once Energy will no longer be an issue. And all the "work" people would do, will be top quality and done only because they enjoy it! (In fact "work" would have a totally different meaning... closer to what we would call today "creative playing").

PS: I know that there are plumbers out there that love their job, and they do an amazing work with the limited resources they have. They usually tell you when and what will break next, because of the poor infrastructure. But so far, those are the exception, not the rule, and all this is due to scarcity thinking/conditioning.

[Muzz]

After spending the last 9 months up to my neck in DIY renovating an old house I have come to one realisation. Most of the tradesmen I encounter and try to pry information out of are extremely secretive about how to do anything. I suppose they have to be to protect their livelyhood in this scarcity based sytem. I did almost everything myself with google and a willingness to have a go at it. Saved me a fortune.

I have been wondering for a while now wouldn't it be better if the plumber came round and taught you how to fix it yourself, so you wouldn't need him again.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.

That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working .

[Ilie Pandia]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
In today's world, a "good solution" is what gives you the most amount of money with the least amount of work. This leads to a few things:

- usage of cheap, poor quality pipes
- the plumber does not have all the required tools because it's cheaper to "improvise" on the spot
- he has a vested interested to do sloppy work so you will have to call him again (much like doctors that exist as long as disease exists...)
- the "solution" is more often than not a "patch" that will blow off at a later time requiring a new, bigger patch work.

That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working .

That's exactly what I had thought when I've reread my post

And to be fair to the plumber, I sometimes do the same. In the company I used to work for I was even asked directly by my boss to write such code as to make money from support as well... Scarcity goes deep!

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

I am not sure that all plumbing would go away, but cities would largely disappear, and what we call plumbing today would look nothing like what “plumbing” would in an FE-based world. One thing that would happen would be great freedom that is simply not seen today, or really even imagined. The current 3-D printing craze gives us an inkling of what could be ahead, and I can see it going in several directions, and I am not sure any one would necessarily “prevail,” but all would have their place in certain situations. For starters, what would be considered today to be “elite” materials would become commonplace. The best stuff is energy-intensive to make, and when energy is not a limitation, materials that we can scarcely believe today would be commonplace. Godzilla’s Golden Hoard is filled with exotic materials. Flubber is not all that fictional.

So, any pipes would be made of stuff that would virtually last forever if we wanted it to, and all materials would be infinitely recyclable. And that would be just for starters. With FE, antigravity, and the advanced materials, which are all in Godzilla’s possession today, you could build a self-contained dwelling with very little human effort. Do you want to stick it on the Moon? Move it to Mars the next day? No problem. It would meet all human creature needs. Food, water, air – all creature comforts would be easily met. How big do you want it? That is one way it could go, and I would expect that at least some people will explore that kind of “lifestyle.” Because a person could travel across the planet in almost no time, the idea of “home” being one spot on Earth will probably quickly become obsolete. Do you want wake up in a rainforest, have lunch with some polar bears, and sleep on Mars? That will become unremarkable. Will some want to live in one spot on Earth for their daily lives? Some might, and that would be fine, but I think that it will quickly be seen as some anachronism like riding a horse to get around, having house servants, and killing chickens for food. Some might bounce around the solar system for a while, and then decide to kind of “settle down” on one spot of Earth for some time. A community would not be geographically bounded. Any person could get together with any other person, almost whenever they wanted to. The idea of getting up when the sun “rises,” and going to sleep when it is “night” may also become pretty anachronistic.

So, a “pipe” busts in your home/spaceship? It would likely never happen, but if it did, you would just build a new house and recycle the old one. Even put the entire home in the recycler/printer, and out comes the new and improved home, with the latest stuff in it. Same elements, just reconfigured. And if the specs call for a little more rhodium in it, no problem. More will be added from the element bank. If this seems too much like Star Trek, I am sorry, but I know that technologies very similar to what I am describing already exist on the planet, but we don’t get any while we keep giving our power away and sleeping.

With the ET connection, visiting other star systems will likely become commonplace.

“Hey Ilie, we are having a little get-together in the Pleiades next week, with a bunch of us coming from several different star systems to play with a new form of sentient being that came here from the Andromeda Galaxy. These ones can split their awareness into several different time streams, and can communicate with the beings in the different time streams at the same time, so that they can carry on a conversation across eons, although talking with the dinosaurs of our home planet is challenging. They want to try to teach some of us how to do it. Do you want to try it?”

“Well, Wade, I am currently about a thousand light years away, visiting a planet that wants to host our next inter-galactic forum, so I might be a little late. I will try to be on time, although time may not mean anything to our new friends. "

I am not sure how humor will work across the light years and galactic cultures, but finding out seems like fun.

Time to watch a little Star Trek.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

VISAs will go obsolete as well! (that's a given with the disappearance of borders, but still I wanted to add it!)

[mosquito]

Ilie,

VISAs will go obsolete as well!

Boy oh boy am I waiting for that day. The continually shifting mass of rules and regulations (always involving MORE asinine bureaucracy and LESS freedom) in every country is one of the biggest stresses in my life at the moment.

Paul,

That reads like the way people sometimes accuse computer programmers of working

Whilst that may not be true of individual programmers, it most certainly is true of software development teams and corporations. Examples from my work history :

I co-wrote a customer course for the German side of a "large blue" IT corporation. Included in the package was a technical guide on how to do things. When we were delivering the course in the US, said corporation removed this guide from the course and repackaged it as a technical bulletin, with someone else named as the author (trying not to seethe over this !) and of course avalible to customers at a price.

During the same years, I was working as a technical consultant on a project in Switzerland. They had a requirement which I decided could be easily satisfied with an assembler program that took me about half a day to write. Satisfied customer. Unsatisfied sales representative, who accused me, to my boss, of being "commercially unaware" (perfectly true by the way, and I consider it to be a compliment) and I was repremanded for faling to take advantage of the customer's needs.

During the course of my last rat-race job, working for a large UK financial institution, I was implementing some quite large changes in accomodate chip-enabled cards. A requirement came in for a small mandated change to the way that VISA cards should be processed. Clearly this was something which could be absorbed into the current project, but when I suggested this all hell broke loose, as we would lose the chance to charge the customers. I did it anyway.

All through my career in IT I witnessed software being sold which created more problems than it solved, and which invariably needed to be "fixed", at a cost of course, or else it needed a companion product. For years I wondered .... "why don't they just do it properly ?"

The current economic and business model is frimly grounded in scarcity and fear, but half the problem is that its' adherents don't even realize it.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

It has been stated on this thread more than once, that with abundance, competition becomes obsolete, as competition only makes sense in a world of scarcity. In those two future worlds that Michael Roads visited long ago:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672115

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

in the hellish one, competition reached its zenith, where everybody was everybody else’s adversary. In some ways, it was like the physical version of the “hell” that Max lived in:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#hell

In the heavenly world that Roads visited, competition would have been a meaningless concept. Any games or sports where there were winners and losers would have been as meaningless as today’s capitalistic imperative of capturing the markets and milking the “customers” in the name of profits.

But the point of this post is to stress how deeply baked the idea of scarcity is. The fossil record tells a story of all life in a death struggle, with arms races between the animals, in an eat-or-be-eaten fight to the finish. That was Darwin’s perspective, and the fossil record bears it out, as well as current-day studies of animal behavior, where male lions, gorillas, and chimpanzees readily kill infants that they did not father:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post490064

Seth has said that those animals are only reflecting back to us human consciousness, but I can sympathize with a paleontologist who only sees arms races in the Cambrian fossil strata:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambria...ators_and_prey

But the predator-prey dynamic is perhaps the most constant one in studying animals, whether today’s ecosystems or 500-million-year-old fossils. Why? Energy scarcity. Only so much sunlight hits Earth, only so much is captured by photosynthesis, and there is only so much room on Earth’s surface. So the idea of competition, predator and prey, and so on is highly evident in human interaction, as well as in the ecosystems. I doubt that the fossil record will change if humanity learns to live abundantly, showing a bunch of Disney creatures living and dying over the past 500 million years. But when humanity learns to live abundantly, and energy abundance will necessarily be the cornerstone of it, what might the impact on Earth’s life be? Ilie and I bantered a little on that topic recently:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post673081

but I think it will be a key area of interest if we can turn the corner as a species, and I have my doubts that predation existed much at all in that heavenly world. If so, that would mean that humanity literally rose above its nature, and brought nature with it. We are the seemingly sentient, social animal, and who is to say what our potential is? An animal like us has never been seen before on this planet. Can predation become obsolete? How about grazing in a way that harms the plants? This thread of thought can seem way out there, but if we turn the corner as a species, I think that some deeply baked assumptions will be up for reconsideration, reinforced by billions of years of evolution.

Time for chores.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Most of my life I've been living in fear. I still do, but at least now I am aware of it .

This may not be everyone's "reality" but from ever since I can remember, I had to be "the best", "to be ambitious", "to succeed", "to defeat others so I can be the victor". Reading Wade's post above it's pretty clear now that all this is a so called "civilized" version of "eat or be eaten" mentality, or in other words scarcity programming. And, looking around me, it made a whole lot of sense! Unfortunately I rarely learned for the pleasure of learning, most of the time fear was the motivation.

Luckily, later on in life, I've discovered other "religions" or "belief systems", that were more relaxed than what I was being thought by Christianity. And specifically, I liked the idea of consciousness and an eternal soul. So I cling to that thought, that some essence survives the demise of the body. In a way is a form of escapism. Since I do not have any personal experience of "life beyond the physical body", for now this it's just another belief system that I have. But at least it allows me to relax from time to time, to dial down the fear and see the world with more Loving eyes. It allows me to have a look a the Scarcity programming.

So I often wonder, in a world of abundance, what would my experience be like? Would I still fear for my life? Would I be able to explore more this thought, perhaps with some guides that are further along the path? It is indeed very difficult to imagine abundance when fear is so deeply baked inside of you. I am a bit envious of those that have an "out of body" experience (that I'd like to have) or a Near Death Experience (that I am not so keen on having), because it has the potential to shatter this fear, and once fear is gone you can be more loving, because now you have nothing more to lose.

It's a paradox: Abundance makes you more loving, and yet it seems you need to become more loving first, before you have abundance . It may be that Abundance is a reflection of the inner you, and not the other way around.

Another point I'd like to touch upon from Wade's post above, is the idea that in an Abundant World we would be bored to tears. I must confess I used to think that as well. What would you do without any kind of drama? Without competition? "What is the challenge?" as the Startrek character asked. One can make a good point about war and scarcity having motivated the most colossal inventions or of suffering being the greatest teacher of them all... And perhaps that was required in the past to get us here, but is it still required?

The idea that you will get bored out of your mind in an Abundant World stems from the fact that fear was the prime motivator in your life, fear of not having enough for example. And once that is gone, you don't know what to do with yourself. But that is because you don't know how you can be a Creator. In fact, most don't know that they can be (are) creators. They are so used of being pushed around by "life" (the scarcity program) that they lose their sense of direction once competition, profit and ambition stop making any sense. Most art and open source software, are clear examples of what we can do for the pleasure of doing it ("Ars gratia artis"), not because someone puts a financial gun to our heads, or the "communists"/"capitalists" are out to get us, so we need to get creative and develop more weapons. We did not experience Love as the prime motivator for creation, and so we are so addicted to Fear and think that only in Fear we can truly reach our potential.

So if we just imagine that there is enough for everyone, that assisting others does not imply sacrificing yourself, then you can explore the possibilities of Free Energy. And if I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am more than this body writing this, I think going from fear to Love may actually be very easy.

[Wade Frazier]

Ah Ilie:

You may not fully appreciate what a pleasure it is to read a post like that one that you made. Seeing posts like that is like finding an oasis after long years in the desert. You are getting it, as I have stated plenty, and if a relative few like you did, we would be well on our way toward bringing FE and abundance into a daily reality for all of us, and nobody would have to risk their life, either. I could write for a few days in response, but briefly…

Knowing that we could have abundance instead of scarcity, and pretty easily, can be one of the hardest things to hold in one’s mind as we look around us, and is usually the source of my rants, as the Creator is teaching me patience.

I have not had an out-of-body experience or an NDE in this lifetime, but I don’t fear death. It is not because I have a belief system, either, but because I have plenty of experience of the “paranormal,” beginning with participating in what are called remote viewings today:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#brown

You get a few of those under your belt, and you have knowledge that nobody can ever take away. And once you begin to have paranormal experiences, the experiences of people having NDEs or out-of-body experiences become normal parts of the terrain. When I went to see UFOs or swim with wild dolphins, I did not go to dare the experiences to happen, but to go have them, and without preconceptions. When you eagerly go after the experience, you get what you came for, although the experience itself can be quite unexpected in its dimensions.

On my thread, I have mentioned many of the paranormal experiences that I have had over the years as I immersed myself in that milieu. I can’t stress enough how important it is to get experience in the field, and we all have talent for it (although older souls are generally more interested and talented, as they are on the inward journey, not the outward one), and I am sure that you do. It can be hazardous terrain for some, as in a world of scarcity, people abuse those abilities, or lay all manner of trip on them, arguably because of their stunted, scarcity-based understandings. When I have seen people abuse those abilities, it was always with the song of scarcity humming in the background. There are far more pretenders than contenders in that milieu, just like with FE or any other “cutting edge” endeavor. It all boils down to personal integrity, and in a world of scarcity, it is the rarest quality of all:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm#why

And that is the conundrum. All FE efforts so far have lacked a sufficient core of high-integrity people, so the efforts were easily defeated. My search is looking for people of integrity above all else (that “heart in the right place” stuff), and it has been like a walk in the desert for people such as Dennis, Brian O, and myself.

While an NDE would take away all of your doubt, there are less risky ways to achieve it, and one thing that can help is to understand how bogus the cultural managers can be. That is a central concern of my work, to show how the media’s pronouncements and the history we are taught are packs of lies:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#introduction

and how the Western medical paradigm, for instance, is like a house of cards:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#beginnings

I have made posts on McLuhan’s dismantling of the “skeptical” perspective on the paranormal:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post640317

I am currently reading two brilliant books by Chris Carter:

Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Psychi...s=chris+carter

Science and the Afterlife Experience: Evidence for the Immortality of Consciousness:

http://www.amazon.com/Science-Afterl...s=chris+carter

Carter plays fair in those books and demolishes the “skeptical” position, exposing its many irrationalities. One of the greatest logical fallacies of the “skeptics” is equating science or rationality with materialism. They are distantly related at most, and I see big names, some with a great deal of my respect, irrationally equate rationality with materialism. Materialism is a religion. I discovered firsthand how dishonest the “skeptics” are:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...itz#post410817

and works like McLuhan’s and Carter’s show how irrational they can also be. That does not mean that anybody needs to take the fairy tales of organized religion seriously. I regard organized religion’s taking Bible stories literally, for instance, as a kind of straw man that makes an easy target for the “skeptics.” As I have stated previously, I see the battles between the Creationists (AKA scriptural fundamentalists) and the Materialists as one between the Baby and Young souls.

On soul age, there is a great deal of mystical work that states that fear is a great way for younger souls to learn, and when I hear that, I don’t wonder at the accuracy of it, but I wonder about the wisdom of a creator who set up such a system of learning. Again, if it is a way to rehabilitate “fallen” souls, then I have a certain respect for it:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#tale

but if not, then what an ethically-challenged mess Creation is. Even if the “fear” aspect of learning is somehow justified by whatever was going on in the Creator’s mind, the mystical stuff says that as souls gain more experience, they eventually lay aside learning through fear to learning through love and joy. In a very real way, that is the transition that I am trying to help along, making the paradigm shift from scarcity to abundance, and it is anything but an easy task.

Godzilla is artificially-enforcing scarcity onto humanity, and we do most of his dirty work for him, punishing those who stray from the orthodox presumption of scarcity. Again, this is a conundrum like no other on Earth, and the future of humanity likely hangs in the balance. Can enough of us wake up in time? Can we lay aside scarcity and embrace abundance? I know that almost nobody on the planet can do so today, short of having FE delivered to their homes (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#machiavelli). It takes a great act of integrity and sentience to lay aside our scarcity-based conditioning, but if I can just find a few thousand like Ilie, we will be well on our way toward catalyzing that transition. If the ETs or Ascended Masters showed up to help, then the task would be far easier, but the effort expended to get us over the hump will gain us the experience so that we can handle it, and I think that is why they play in the shadows, because we need to learn to paddle our own canoe.

Marx said that his envisioned communist revolution could not happen properly unless its leaders went through the trial-by-fire that came with overthrowing the capitalistic order. I have written before that Marx’s Young Warrior delusions of violent overthrow eventually were replaced by peaceful and non-coercive means, as he matured:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...arx#post626729

Marx eventually advocated the lamb’s path, which the revolutionaries in the twentieth century seemed to have forgotten.

On death and the other side, I act like I will live forever, and each act that I take in my daily life I take with the knowledge that I will answer for all of my deeds, if only to myself. For instance, I still have some legacy work regarding Brian O to perform, as I am still carrying his spears after he has passed over. I have no doubt that I will meet up with him on the other side when I pass, and there will be an accounting of how I handled his legacy. I don’t do it for that reason; having a highly-developed sense of conscience is plenty of motivation, but I also realize that in life, we are writing in ink, not in pencil, and getting it right has repercussions far beyond pleasing or irritating Brian, or whoever sent me here on this suicide mission.

On fear or love, and knowing what to do with yourself in a world of abundance, I can’t imagine that anybody in this world:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

experiences even an instant of boredom or not knowing what to do with themselves. Gimme a chance to be bored there!

Time for chores.

Best,

Wade

[Limor Wolf]

It is such a pleasure to be a witness to a discussions such as this one where you Ilie and Wade are throwing your thoughts (passionately typing it on the compture screen), I just finished reading and took a note to myself that I must have done something good in my life, given that I am able to read and be exposed to such a kind of sharings and exchange of thoughts from others. It happens to me often on Wade's 'healed planet' thread. Unlike you, I was raised in an environment of underachievement and mediocrity, therefore, believe it or not, having any type of 'success' can be frightening. Talk about scarcity...
I feel strong feeling of gratitude at this moment, and I hope you don't mind me sharing it here. I really do appreciate you all. Thank you ~