The Secret Of The Soul - and OBE

[Kraut]

Sirdipswitch, what if we don't find our other half and complete the book, does that mean we have to restart, even if we choose to keep this body?

[Finefeather]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)

Posted by lookbeyond (here)

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)

Posted by OOO (here)
Escape!! But to what? What awaits after the escape? What shall we play next?

Ah escape!! To what? Excellent question!! Don't have a clue!! cc. Don't know you as Spirit, or where you came from or who you really are, and what you will want to do when you leave here. But... trust me when I say that "if" you return to Spirit, in this lifetime, as I have done, and am trying to get others to do, you will then be able to do as YOU wish as Spirit. AND, anything is possible.

Or... you can just keep on as you are doing now, and then when you die, you can reincarnate and do it all over again. Your choice. ccc.

So Sirdipswitch, are you saying that when we die we can make an informed choice re whether we reincarnate again, i thought you meant the angels were leading those who passed over in ignorance as a "soul capture" scenario to reincarnate on Earth.
Why do they need us to reincarnate?-lb

Death, is capture. Where you will be helped by Angels, untill your reincarntion.

Or you can achieve Spirit, now. Keep THIS body, and never die again.

You have this choice... now... not after you die.

You must make this choice in this lifetime.

If you wait till you die, you will then forget all of this and must start all over... again.

TPTB, need us to work and fill their pockets for them, and to keep the game going in their favor. Simple.

There is a BOOK... it is our Rule BOOK... endorsed by Source... at the beginning of this game, we call Earth Human.

As the final rule, ITs' Rule... was to ask volunteers of lessor Spirits, to go down and inhabit this Human vehicle, (because of its' genetic modification, which makes it directly programmable, by its' own mind, to keep renewing itself, and thus live forever. The perfect vehicle, for 12th density!) (no we weren't the first to recieve this lessor Spirit, we are infinite in number, and scattered all over two universes, in many different life forms. But, none, of a High enough "Quallity", to be use as 12th density. cc.) and Higher Spirit was to stay on the Spirit level to act as guide for lessor Spirit. WE, are those lessor Spirits. HS, is our Higher Spirit. But... as part of the game, we had to forget who we are, and could not return home untill we found the Book, and remembered who we are. HS, to make things even more interesting, devided each lessor Spirit, into two (2), making them Male, and Female. And, we can't return to our full power as lessor Spirit, without our other Half. ccc.

The Book, (Earth, holds the only BOOK. cc.) was then devided, (5 pages) and scattered about this world. We must find it, read it and learn this game. We cannot remove the BOOK, from its' resting place. We can only read it and then leave it there for the next Spirit to find. To try and remove it, is to die. I have read three (3) pages: 1,2,5,. And, I have found, and reunited with my other Half.cccc.

And... that is all that I can tell you of the game.

CCCC. George tells me that I can tell you when this Earth Game, started... 5 "Triiiillion" years ago. Our creators of Earth, started building this rock, 25 "Triiiillion years ago". ccccccccccccccccccccc.

And here is the very best part.cccccc.

The TRUTH... of all of this... is entirely up to you. ccc.

Ah the rules... ain't they great?????!!!!

Do not be too harsh with TPTB, they keep this game interesting. cccccc.

I would like to think that those who post important information, which might effect others in ways no one can even dream of, would be doing so with good intention...and that when we post we are making quite sure that we actually experienced what we post...especially when it comes to things that very few can verify.

My apologies to all followers of this thread but I was lead to address this. I do not expect anyone to believe what I am about to write, but that is your own decision. I am not the least bit interested if you find this post distasteful in any way...I seek only the truth. I am also quite prepared to be banished from this forum for ever if it so be. I make no claims to know better than anyone who is prepared to seek out the truth him/her self.

How do we determine the truth from all the stories we are told in books and by people we only know as some little picture on the side of a post on a forum? We cannot...unless we are prepared to spend the time and start the process of self discovery. It comes quick to some but it can take years and lifetimes of dedication and commitment to merge with our true Self...you cannot become enlightened by reading a book or by listening to stories...you have to experience the path yourself...there is no short cut to 'heaven' or to wisdom.

I decided to read this and a few recent posts on this thread just out of curiosity...and my opinion is that it is probably the biggest collection of untruths I have ever read...there is not one thing which you have written here...on this post...for example, sirdipswitch, which is even close to real...sorry wait...there is one truth...you wrote...”The TRUTH... of all this...is entirely up to you. ccc.” I am wondering were you got all the rest of the non sense you have been spinning on this thread of yours?...and I am not talking about the obvious posts where you have literally just repeated what some others have written in books about OBE. You have steered this thread into what I can only describe as pure fantasy and IMO you are totally incorrect in most of the stories you have so eagerly concocted up to please an ignorant audience.

This kind of information is that which leads seekers totally on the wrong course...can the average young seeker even know what to question when such fantasy is served up to gulp down with some feeling of having learnt some truths?

I was immediately drawn to reflect what casual outside readers of this forum might be thinking when they read what members of Avalon are been fed about a subject which the originator of this thread obviously has very little idea about what he is talking about...or is himself been fed by some negative force...or just his own imagination and self indulgence.

I would urge readers of this thread to think carefully about what is been palmed off as the truth about OBE and a 'Higher Self' which is written about as if it is something separate which we go to to get some advice.

This one single post is so outrageous that I can only shake my head in disbelief.
Things like stating that death is capture and we can “achieve Spirit, now. Keep THIS body, and never die again.” is utter non sense...and a RULE BOOK endorsed by source which is now scattered around the world?...and 12th density...what could that be?

I do not have the time and inclination to address all the errors in just this one post.

I do apologies once again if I have angered anyone or stepped on anyone's little ego.
Much Love to all...truth will prevail.
Ray

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
I seek only the truth. I am also quite prepared to be banished from this forum for ever if it so be. I make no claims to know better than anyone who is prepared to seek out the truth him/her self.
I do apologies once again if I have angered anyone or stepped on anyone's little ego.
Much Love to all...truth will prevail.
Ray

Hello Ray,

I don't see why you'd be banished. You've stated your POV in a forthright and respectful manner. I only know you to share your experiences and knowledge from a place of integrity. Truth is what we seek. Your assistance is appreciated.

Much Love,
Paula

[Jake]

Nobody need be banished!! Just remember to be respectful!!! Peoples' personal experiences are just as important as there interpretations of them... We are all waking at the same time!!!!!! love to all....
Jake...

[Beren]

Posted by Jake (here)
Nobody need be banished!! Just remember to be respectful!!! Peoples' personal experiences are just as important as there interpretations of them... We are all waking at the same time!!!!!! love to all....
Jake...

As many people that many interpretations...

Core is usually the same but outward layer isn`t.

[greybeard]

The difficulty is that the mind wants to understand and then complicate what it is impossible to comprehend.
The most ancient of enlightened teaching of Krishna to our modern mystics say the same thing.
There is only one consciousness only One soul.
To make it even clearer this is described as One without a second.


I get this intellectually as I have come across this statement from so many mystics in so many books.
It all seems so real--- Maya is Maya.
We are already enlightened and eternal but what good does it do you till that is your experienced,

My understanding is that in my unenlightened state I am still one consciousness but that consciousness has not as yet recognised it Self as One even though it is and that is Consciousness playing at being un-enlightened.

The me does not become enlightened the state transcends the me which was an illusion in the first place.
No individual person, as person implies separation, exists except in the play of consciousness.
So what exactly is having an OBE?

NDE gives a clue on going for their life review they experience everything they have done as though they were the recipient, they are one with the seeming other in fact they are the other,
Eckhart Tolle said "There never was anyone there to do anything to you"

So OBE is valid in the un-awakened state, no doubt it enjoyable and yes you can visit other realms including heaven but when you come back to the body you are still not enlightened--you are not permanently abiding in the state called enlightenment.
A serious spiritual aspirant might see it as a distraction.
Still each to their own,

Chris

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by greybeard (here)
So OBE is valid in the un-awakened state, no doubt it enjoyable and yes you can visit other realms including heaven but when you come back to the body you are still not enlightened--you are not permanently abiding in the state called enlightenment.
A serious spiritual aspirant might see it as a distraction.

Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty, don't get stuck playing with toys.

[lookbeyond]

So it seems that some believe that to evolve in this life we need to go to our HS in OBE and others believe the work is to be done in body here and now- lookbeyond

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'll bet some OBE's could be lots of fun, better than a Saturday night dance with your favorite partner.

A conscious dialog with HS, hopefully not an imposter, could be very revealing. I can ask very good questions while monitoring an intuitive evaluation of the exchange. I look forward to that experience. The truth is never hurt by shinning more light on it.

Truth is a very very elusive topic while camping out in this reality. There is so much opportunity for various interpretations of information, and even more opportunity for distortion when relating experience to another.

I cannot say that I believe anything, but I have had some very strong suspicions. Some of which I still hold onto, but not too tightly while I play in this game of illusion.

If OBE can assist with freedom, well being and joy, then I'm all for the experience. Is there anything more important? For me it might be seeing through the illusion.

[lookbeyond]

Dear Sirdipswitch, i am sorry if my questions have disrupted your thread, i asked you because i was interested in your perspective, i am actually interested in all perspectives and appreciate those of the posters above also.

Kind Reguards lookbeyond

[Finefeather]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
So it seems that some believe that to evolve in this life we need to go to our HS in OBE and others believe the work is to be done in body here and now- lookbeyond

It is my personal experience together with many others I have come to know in my 40 years of OBE that out of body experiences are a little like driving a car. Once you know how to drive a car...and been driving for years...all cars are basically the same...you have a steering wheel, a gear shift, brakes, lights etc. I can drive your car and you can drive mine with very little difference...the surroundings in each of the many different states are similar. The argument that we all experience things our own way is only partially true when it comes to the actual event of an out of body experience. There are very definite stages and occurrences which are evident...and although all might not at first experience the many realms and dangers and beauty of the out of body state...in time and according to our own desires and intention and state of mind...we all end up in the area, or a better description would be, the awareness which we are each most comfortable in. For example...not all find themselves in the lower realms because they are lead by guides and their own state of awareness, or enlightenment...and is a bit like a built in protection. Some states...especially in the lower emotional/astral regions are extremely traumatic to most who accidentally...or unknowingly, find themselves in these area...due to their own current state of mind.

The out of body experience in it's more regular state is a place of extreme beauty and there is much to gain from constructive intention. Most of us...in our enthusiasm and ignorance...as I myself first experienced...treat OBE as a kind of fun park, until you one day meet face to face with some phenomena you never bargained on and this can traumatize your physical life and cause mental injury for the rest of your life, if you are not familiar with the goings on in some of these states. This is why you need to seek help and call for protection when you spend time in conscious, fully aware, out of body sessions...there is great danger for those who are not trained and aware of what they might encounter...and becoming familiar with these lower areas is the key to getting yourself out of trouble...just like an expert driver does when they find themselves in a sticky situation.

The question about evolving by seeking help from what we call our Higher Self is quite simple to understand if you actually first took the time out to understand what a Higher Self is.
Evolution is a word used in our physical world where a physical manifestation...body...improves it's state in some way in order to better comprehend or sense or use the world it is in. Evolution is thus a phenomena which is taking place to allow a Spiritual Being to become more conscious of itself and it's surroundings, in a denser physical realm. It stands to reason that as we evolve we, as Spiritual Beings, will in time become more aware of our true natures. This process takes millions of years and happens from the inside out...it is not a self perpetuating process and is spurred on or driven by the Spiritual Beings who inhabit a particular type of body.

We are all Spiritual Beings...and in the state which we can comprehend...various names have been used to identify a Spiritual Being...they are: Monad...Higher Self...Higher Triad...Soul...Solar Angel etc etc. These are all words which mean the exact same thing. We get confused because each person has studied different books and beliefs and doctrines and writings...and use the name which they feel more comfortable with. At this level we are individualized sparks or bits or parts of a higher Being...in our case we are directly from the Being who is called the Solar Logos and each Solar System has a Solar Logos...up and up we are all part of the Highest Logos or Creator which not one person can even remotely comprehend...so best not to even think about it now...our consciousness is just not able to understand it fully yet.

Each Spiritual Being or Higher Self or Soul incarnates into a body and to be able to do this it needs to create a middle principle which is called an ego...which is simply a mechanism which is able to integrate into the human body in it's current state of evolution...DNA configuration...when this principle incarnates it's connection with the Spiritual Being is impeded or stepped down and we loose the memories of our connection with our real Self. The purpose of our lives is to evolve our bodies by refining our egos so that the Spiritual Being, which we are, can better occupy the human body.

We are well on the way with this process and if you look around you will find many people who are Soul driven...like the Indigos and those who have refined their bodies by meditation and right attitude and living. On this forum I have noticed many who are on the brink of breaking the hold which the ego has on their lives. It takes dedication and right thinking.

By practicing OBE without being aware of what you are doing and without the correct training and knowledge can be either a good thing or a bad thing...it depends on your current state of awareness of the duality which exists in your own mind...are you still ego driven...or are you living a life of service to others. Those who are ego driven will likely have traumatic OBE experiences and those who are of a loving nature can benefit tremendously from OBE because it can enhance your understanding of what you really are...a Spiritual Being of untold beauty and power and potential.

Take care and my love to all
Ray

[greybeard]

Im with Ray
The lower astral loves to be visited by the naive and gullible.
Everything is energy and in this duality there are entities that thrive on the energy of fear.
There is a risk to everything---crossing the road--even lying in bed.
The thing is be aware and choose wisely.

Chris

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
If OBE can assist with freedom, well being and joy, then I'm all for the experience. Is there anything more important? For me it might be seeing through the illusion.

Hi there Ron, I think your use of the word "assist" is key here. Going out of body is a wonderful experience, and a life changing one as well. It's a tool, like meditation, the internet, a kundalini experience, "higher self" communication, or a car. But it's still just a tool, not the breakthrough answer. That's why I mentioned not getting stuck playing with toys (OOBE's), because it's like getting 2/3 of the way up the mountain, and settling for the view from that vantage point.

Cheers,
Fred

[greybeard]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by rmauersr (here)
If OBE can assist with freedom, well being and joy, then I'm all for the experience. Is there anything more important? For me it might be seeing through the illusion.

Hi there Ron, I think your use of the word "assist" is key here. Going out of body is a wonderful experience, and a life changing one as well. It's a tool, like meditation, the internet, a kundalini experience, "higher self" communication, or a car. But it's still just a tool, not the breakthrough answer. That's why I mentioned not getting stuck playing with toys (OOBE's), because it's like getting 2/3 of the way up the mountain, and settling for the view from that vantage point.

Cheers,
Fred

Yes Fred thats it really---the view from well up the mountain is great and helpful--life enhancing but no permanent change in perception.
The enlightened see things from a totally different perspective.
The enlightened can see things from the perspective of the un enlightened---they come back down the mountain to guide us to where we have not been aware of--yet they do not leave the mountain top.
No wonder it cant be spoken of.

There are no short cuts to enlightenment---if there was I and many others would have found it.
I have been on a path for thirty years and can say that progress has been made yet I know that ultimately enlightenment happens only by Grace.
All the accounts of the enlightened say this.
Some are enlightened in an instant with no previous, at least in this life time, aspiration
With some ignorance drops away over time then there is an instant were perception shifts.
Some times there is non abiding enlightenment---then some years later ther is a permanent shift into full abiding enlightenment as was the case with Adyashanti
Ramana was instant in his teens.
Eckhart Tolle was instant but it matured over a couple of years.
In enlightened maturity is is known that there only is ONE.
Mind cant get that.
Many attractive things are just spiritual circus --merry go rounds

Chris

[sirdipswitch]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
sirdip you are so full of spirit and earth secrets. and here i am having trouble with getting out again, as i keep falling asleep.
can you tell us how you came to know there was an earth book that is 5 pages? can it be repeated or is it for own self to find? or not find?

Evidently you need your sleep, or else HS would be giving more instruction. ccc.

Certainly I can tell you where I learned of "The Book". cc.

I first klearned of it, many years ago, while reading through Scientology Literature. It was presented, rather tongue in cheek, as possibly a Myth, or Not. Hmm. I just filed it away at the time.

After returning to Spirit, I was sitting here one day and picted up a book to read, and WOW!!! I KNEW the book. I went around touching ALL of the books in my home, and knew them all, just by touching them. I was thinkin wow this is so cool. George was chuckling in my ear sayin: "Like the Perks". ccc. Yep! Like the perks.

I was then sitting here another day, when that book that I had learned of so many years ago, crossed my feeble ol thinker. cc. Where would it be? Dunno, didn't have a clue. I then took my new found ability, to find it! Yep! Those 3 pages I mentioned. Very interesting, and I now understand why TPTB, do not want this information disclosed, and presicely why Govt. agents, infiltrated and took over the organization of Scientology. As can now be plainly seen by all on this thread, for the reaction to it. No-one has objected to anything I have said, untill I mentioned "The Book", and now seem intent on objecting to it all. hmm. ccc.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Sirdipswitch,

If George will not allow you to share information on the 5 pages that are so important, perhaps you can tell us why George will not let us know.

If the TPTB do not want this information shared, I really question what motivates George's decision to not share.

Thanks,
Ron
Day #36 and still waiting for the vibration and my first consciously initiated OBE.

[greybeard]

Hi Rmauersr
The thing is, there is no secret to the soul---you are it.
When you watch something beautiful and are not commenting on it---just fully focused effortlessly aware---that what you are.
You are that silent awareness.
Ramana said that you can measure your spiritual progress by the amount of silence in/off your mind.
Enlightenment has also been described as absence of the commentator

Chris

[sirdipswitch]

Finefeather,

I do not copy here, all that you have said, in an attempt to keep the wording to a minimum, that only needs to be read once.

I also would hope that no-one, would want you Banished, for simply stating, that which you believe.

one single post is so outrageous

Are you the type of person that reads the last page of a book and then decides that it isn't worth reading? hmm.

to please an ignorant audience.

I don't even know how to respond to that one??!! Ignorant??!!

Had you been following that which has transpired on this thread, you would know how we got here. But...

I will tell you, for YOUR benefit, that which I do state from time to time, had you been following, and that is; "Do not believe a word that I say!" Go reseach it for your self!!!" Yep! You can even ask all my "Ignorant" folowers, if I have said this. Oh wait! Why not just go read it. Oh yah I know, you would have to go read the whole stupid thread, which would involve having to read all of my stupidness. cc.

However in doing so, you will find that a couple of those "Ignorant" people, have read the books that we are discussing on this thread, and have done the work as presented therein, and are now going OB, and "Talking" with their HS, as it instucts within its' pages. And is not just some wild story that "I" came up with. You are absolutely right, I do say that which you can find in any OBE book, that is nothing new, because that is all that I do state. That which can be found in the books that I have said to read, to learn how to do, OBE's. And nothing but... over and over and over, repeatedly.

It stands to reason that as we evolve we, as Spiritual Beings, will in time become more aware of our true natures. This process takes millions of years and happens from the inside out...it is not a self perpetuating process and is spurred on or driven by the Spiritual Beings who inhabit a particular type of body.

This is also, absolutely true! Which I have stated. But... you seem to have forgoten part of it, that I have discussed. Does that Millions of years start now? Or are some of us already in fact, Millions of years old, "In Spirit"?? Oh wait!! I know... you're one of those that think we are only 60 or 30 or 70 or maybe even 6,000, years old. ccccccccc.

And from here on out, that which I have been meaning to put in my signature, but do to my feeble mindedness, have forgotten to do, has now been placed there for all the world to see, that nothing I say is true.

So... if you would like to keep reading my silly stories, you may stay, or not.


I "Instruct" NOTHING, that hasn't already been discovered by other Experts, in the field of OBE.

My Stories... are just that.. as I keep stating...

[sirdipswitch]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
Sirdipswitch,

If George will not allow you to share information on the 5 pages that are so important, perhaps you can tell us why George will not let us know.

If the TPTB do not want this information shared, I really question what motivates George's decision to not share.

Thanks,
Ron
Day #36 and still waiting for the vibration and my first consciously initiated OBE.

You sound like me. You always ask the right questions. Why did God take Jesus home? If His message was so important, why would He then leave us to wollow in this mess? Why doesn't Source jkust come down here and enlighten us all?

Game over, that's why. We, made this game. And we then chose to come here and play it. We are doing just that. Some of us, just happen to be inquisitive enough, to figure out why we're here. Trust me why I say that Source, is Lovin every minute of it. George is now rollin on the floor. WE... are having an absolute ball. Can you even immagine, how boring the world of Sirit, really is? EH!? Why do you think that Source, even made all of this????? IT... was bored. Simple... and you know me...
I like simple... ccc.

You now have far more than I, when I first began this journey. ccc.

[Beren]

And thus I see how really Finefeather and sirdipwitch are talking about the same thing...
It takes a standpoint of higher ground to see this happening all around.
You`re doing a good work chaps!

Bless you both!

Beren