North Korea Nuclear threat?

[GaelVictor]

I liked this very recent documentary of a western traveller in North Korea, although those performing kids are really creepy and real contact with the people is not possible, it gives a good general feeling about living conditions and the propaganda machine.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=oULO3i5Xra0

[yiolas]

I just got a new message from the defcon warning system. Please read below. What we might want to heed is the following excerpt.

While there is no demonstrable threat to the United States itself, any war in Korea does have the potential to become a limited nuclear conflict.

We repeat:

*** There is no credible threat to the United States ***However, any nuclear conflict will significantly affect public perception, and may cause a run on supplies. Additionally, fallout from any nuclear detonation will reach the U.S. mainland within a couple days if less, depending on winds.

Here is the entire e-mail:

Based on recent events, the DEFCON Warning System advises the public to consider preparing for possible war in the Korean theatre.

While there is no demonstrable threat to the United States itself, any war in Korea does have the potential to become a limited nuclear conflict.

We repeat:

*** There is no credible threat to the United States ***

However, any nuclear conflict will significantly affect public perception, and may cause a run on supplies. Additionally, fallout from any nuclear detonation will reach the U.S. mainland within a couple days if less, depending on winds.

Based on the type of nuclear weapons that will likely be used in any conflict, radiation reaching the U.S. will probably be minimal and cause no significant health hazard. Nevertheless, proper precautions are always advised.

We wish to emphasis that this is merely a precautionary advisory considering a "worst-case" scenario which may not and probably will not happen. At this time, there have been no troop movements by North Korea which would indicate preparations for an attack.

We repeat:

*** There are no indications that North Korea is preparing for an attack ***

We are issuing this advisory due to the heightened possibility of miscalculation or misinterpretation which could spark an accidental/unintentional conflict.

We remain at DEFCON 4: Blue. There is no change to the DEFCON status at this time.

Link: http://www.defconwarningsystem.com/

[donk]

3 long years there (Korean War) in the early 50's and didn't acompolish s**t!

Au countraire...it accomplished the same things all wars do....tighten the grip of the controllers, while enriching them....maybe throw in some weapons testing & a little culling of the herds for good measure

[Vitalux]

Posted by Wind (here)
I'm really concerned about this, is there anything that we can do?

Yes, only worry about it when it happens, not before.

Otherwise, you will miss the enjoyment of living your life in happiness.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Vitalux (here)

Posted by Wind (here)
I'm really concerned about this, is there anything that we can do?

Yes, only worry about it when it happens, not before.

Otherwise, you will miss the enjoyment of living your life in happiness.

Good Advice Vitalux...

[Calz]

Nobody is *really* like their father.

NK bluster has been well documented.

Could be the same ... or not.

Another factor is various sorts of influences (natural or otherwise) on the mind.

When you have *one* person in charge of *everything* (including nuclear technology) then there is a possible problem.

Yes???

Whether from energetics from the "galactic rift" or the lowering of the magnetosphere ... these things have an effect on most all of us.

So ... many wildcards here.


Keep in mind there are *allegedly* not only human based space platforms that can shoot down missiles dramatically more accurately than earth bound missile defense ... but the "keepers" are not going to allow things to go that far ...


Not sure about conventional weaponry as so very many lives are at risk in the "kill zone" of the area.

[SilentFeathers]

[QUOTE=yiolas;657728]I just got a new message from the defcon warning system. Please read below. What we might want to heed is the following excerpt.

While there is no demonstrable threat to the United States itself, any war in Korea does have the potential to become a limited nuclear conflict.

We repeat:

*** There is no credible threat to the United States ***However, any nuclear conflict will significantly affect public perception, and may cause a run on supplies. Additionally, fallout from any nuclear detonation will reach the U.S. mainland within a couple days if less, depending on winds.

After weeks of N. Korea publicly announcing that they are going to nuke the United States, I wonder what determines what a "credible threat" actually is???? Do they have to "demonstrate" this verbal threat by nuking us for it to be an actual credible threat????

[Kristin]

Please forgive this link, and honestly it's not for everyone. It's an song from "Team America" and does start with some foul language. I do not intend to offend anyone or pull away the seriousness of this topic. But rather offer a breather.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

If you want to have a laugh and crack a small smile please play. However, if not I do hope you have the wisdom to skip the vid and move on.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by holcaul (here)
Something tells me powers that want to be REALLY wanna take us for a ride this time using the whole North Korea situation...

http://rt.com/news/us-missile-guam-korea-290/

I merged this thread in with Jackovesk's NORTH KOREA READY TO ATTACK: Kim Jong style thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Referee (here)
More Here 2 subs missing!

Be on the alert for a false flag here.

If a submarine popped up off the California coast and shot a couple of nuclear tipped missiles at the USA, I'll wager (1) it will be blamed on North Korea, (2) it wouldn't really have been North Korea doing it, and (3) North Korea will be devastated (even more than whatever the missiles from that sub caused).

What this would do for relations between USA, China and Russia is not clear to me. But I doubt I'd like the results, whatever they were.

[Calz]

False flags start every war.

Reptiles don't think outside the box.

Rinse and repeat.


We can see through this now by now yes???

[Cidersomerset]

Beware of unstable Dynasties.....

There are millions of people in all these countries imo no state should be
led by the same family , even if elected except under exceptional circumstances.











Saudi Royal family....Minus women of course..LOl..



Ghandi/Nehru dynasty







There are probably many more, I am not saying all these people are evil,
but its just politically unhealthy to have family interests involved with
running states.This has been happening since the first Tribal chief named
his son as heir and look where we are ...LOl...

[Calz]

The problem now (as I see it) is that even if there was 100% agreement of a BS false flag event from the "masses" ... what good would it do???

It won't happen ... too much mind control on a level that is really disturbing.

... but even if ... 100% of the USA citizenry raised their objection and said "hell no" to another war ... based on what has happened in the past does anyone suspect it would have any impact???


Perhaps it comes down to a personal soul level choice and that is really *all* that matters here.


I don't think we have enough influence to alter the physical reality of what happens..


Life lessons ... Soul lessons ... chose well my friends.

IMHO

[Dennis Leahy]

According to what I just read, this whole load of flying manure is due to a mis-translation (probably deliberate, maybe stupidity) of Korean to English.

"As much as our leaders would like them to have taken the bait, North Korea has not declared war on the South or the U.S. in response to our unprecedented provocations. So when all else fails, leave it to yellow journalism like this piece of work from the New York Times or this obviously Photoshopped image that came out this past week. The much touted “state of war” declaration is not a declaration of war from Kim Jung Un but rather a statement of support for whatever decision he has too make from the “the government, political parties and organizations of the DPRK.” It claims only they will declare themselves in a state of war WHEN their leader makes that decision showing they are completely behind him. It is a statement of support from the people and perhaps a warning to the South that the North will not fold under their attack. But not a declaration of war from Kim Jung Un.
There is a campaign of propaganda underway this week in Korea and I will show you that this latest crisis is nothing more than a continuation of that warmongering effort."

(... read more at the blog linked below, and see the inane translation error.) -DL

Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013...m-kim-jung-un/

As if the new leader of North Korea is going to actually threaten, much less fire a shot at, the biggest and most trigger-happy warmongers ever to disgrace the planet.

Avalonians, hone your antennas. This should have been debunked within a half hour of the first mainscream "news" misreporting.

Dennis

[AutumnW]

Posted by Camilo (here)
This is not the first time they do that. They're like a scared kid that needs to make noise to call everybody's attention, a cry for help, as its people are dying of starvation and they can't handle it.

North Korea is on the **** list of the Anglo American axis of evil. There is only one deterrent to attack and that is nuclear, unfortunately. The U.S. has taught every small nation on earth that the only thing that will keep them absolutely safe from invasion is nuclear weapons. Korea had to develop them as it can no longer credibly state that China and Russia will protect them. The major powers have too much to lose and everyone knows it.

The best deterrent to attack is to have nukes and leaders who appear, emphasis on appear to be slightly unglued. Perfect. They will never launch, nor will the U.S. and the world is now slightly safer.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
According to what I just read, this whole load of flying manure is due to a mis-translation (probably deliberate, maybe stupidity) of Korean to English.

"As much as our leaders would like them to have taken the bait, North Korea has not declared war on the South or the U.S. in response to our unprecedented provocations. So when all else fails, leave it to yellow journalism like this piece of work from the New York Times or this obviously Photoshopped image that came out this past week. The much touted “state of war” declaration is not a declaration of war from Kim Jung Un but rather a statement of support for whatever decision he has too make from the “the government, political parties and organizations of the DPRK.” It claims only they will declare themselves in a state of war WHEN their leader makes that decision showing they are completely behind him. It is a statement of support from the people and perhaps a warning to the South that the North will not fold under their attack. But not a declaration of war from Kim Jung Un.
There is a campaign of propaganda underway this week in Korea and I will show you that this latest crisis is nothing more than a continuation of that warmongering effort."

(... read more at the blog linked below, and see the inane translation error.) -DL

Source: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013...m-kim-jung-un/

As if the new leader of North Korea is going to actually threaten, much less fire a shot at, the biggest and most trigger-happy warmongers ever to disgrace the planet.

Avalonians, hone your antennas. This should have been debunked within a half hour of the first mainscream "news" misreporting.

Dennis

My thoughts Dennis (and others)

If this is all a bunch of baloney about N. Korea, well, I would then suggest we may be possibly witnessing the beginnings of a gigantic false flag about to happen.

The rule of opposites must apply also to this current narrative:

As it stands now the propaganda machine (the narrative) has much of the world in shock and in fear that N. Korea is about to nuke the US and all it's neighbors....pretty serious stuff huh????

A great moment for the psychopaths to stage something really huge (likely nuclear), blaming NKorea, that'll justify them to turn N. Korea into a sea of glass w/nuclear weapons, eliminating the "threat" and getting their regime change that they always wanted, hence, making it easier to convince the world Iran must be stopped immediately also, telling the world that we don't want to see Iran do what NKorea did.

I'm just thinking out loud, (speculating) but I wouldn't put it past these psychopathic war junkies to do something like this.....

[Cidersomerset]

One of several blatant propaganda flicks in the last few years was a remake of Red
Dawn, Which is a rubbish movie but the message is clear !! North Korea invades
the East Coast of the US.

I noticed it was on U'tube early whether by design to put it in the head of web
watchers, or its just rubbish and they were not bothered Uhm !

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xon7LWHXgnI

[jackovesk]

PTW Propaganda

Does anyone remember the 21st December 2012..?

or...

How about the 2012 London Olympics..?

Here's the latest from the Australian Press

5/4/2013

ON THE BRINK: 'Missile attack on US would be suicidal'

Former US UN envoy says any missile launch by North Korea would be 'suicide'

• Communication intercepts reveal plans to launch missile
• Missile components 'being moved to North Korean coast'
• Speculation launch is 'test' to mark North Korean holiday

A NORTH Korean attack on the United States would be "suicidal", a former United States ambassador to the United Nations has declared.

Former diplomat Bill Richardson said there had been a lot of heated talk from all sides.

"There's been a lot of rhetoric and not a lot of action ... but I think our response has been appropriate: Cool, calm and at the same time putting our military resources ready in case there's an emergency," Mr Richardson said.

"But if they try anything with the United States, it's suicidal. That's not going to happen."

Richardson sparked controversy when he joined Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt in a visit to North Korea earlier this year.

He today once again emphasised the need for careful diplomacy.


Former UN ambassador Bill Richardson smiles as he responds to the media at Beijing International airport in Beijing on January 7, 2013, before his trip to North Korea.
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"Something is needed to cool things down. I think there has to be an end game to the administration's policy, and the end game in my view is diplomacy some kind of special envoy, some kind of South Korean diplomat."

The comments come as intercepted military communications indicate North Korea could be planning to launch a missile spotted being moved by train yesterday.

CNN has reported a United States official as saying the communications revealed the launch was planned for the coming days.

The US is reportedly seeking the location of a secret North Korean launch facility or hidden launch vehicles on the nation's east coast. The location is of particular concern as any launch would likely go over the coast of Japan.

The revelation comes after South Korean officials yesterday said a medium-range "Musudan" missile had been spotted being loaded on to a train and transported towards the coast of the Sea of Japan.


A file photo, a North Korean vehicle carrying a Musudan missile passes by during a mass military parade in Pyongyang's Kim Il Sung Square to celebrate the centenary of the birth of the late North Korean founder Kim Il Sung.
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The Yonhap news agency reported speculation that the missile may be "test fired" on April 15, the birthday of the nation's founder Kim Il-sung.

The range of the "Musudan" is unclear, but some analysts have placed it at up to 4000km - enough to reach bases in Japan and the United States controlled island of Guam.

South Korea's defense minister said that the missile was not capable of reaching the United States and that there are no signs that the North is preparing for a full-scale conflict.

North Korea has been railing against US-South Korean military exercises that began in March and are to continue until the end of this month. The allies insist the exercises in South Korea are routine, but the North calls them rehearsals for an invasion and says it needs nuclear weapons to defend itself. The North has also expressed anger over tightened UN sanctions for its February nuclear test.


Analysts say the ominous warnings in recent weeks are probably efforts to provoke softer policies from South Korea, to win diplomatic talks with Washington and solidify the image of young North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Many of the threats come in the middle of the night in Asia - daytime for the US audience.

The report of the movement of the missile came hours after North Korea's military warned that it had been granted approval to attack the US using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. The reference to smaller weapons could be a claim that North Korea has improved its nuclear technology, or a bluff.

The North is not believed to have mastered the technology needed to miniaturize nuclear bombs enough to mount them on long-range missiles. Nor has it demonstrated that those missiles, if it has them at all, are accurate. It also could be years before the country completes the laborious process of creating enough weaponized fuel to back up its nuclear threats.

South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said he did not know the reasons behind the North's missile movement, and that it "could be for testing or drills."

He dismissed reports in Japanese media that the missile could be a KN-08, which is believed to be a long-range missile that if operable could hit the United States.

Kim told lawmakers at a parliamentary committee meeting that the missile has "considerable range" but not enough to hit the US mainland.

The Pentagon announced that it will hasten the deployment of a missile defense system to the US Pacific territory of Guam to strengthen regional protection against a possible attack.

Experts say North Korea has not shown that it has accurate long-range missiles. Some suspect that an apparent long-range missile unveiled by the North at a parade last year was actually a mockup.


Soldiers of the U.S. Army 23rd chemical battalion wear gas masks while attending a demonstration of their equipment during a ceremony to recognize the battalion's official return to the 2nd Infantry Division based in South Korea at Camp Stanley in Uijeongbu, north of Seoul.
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"From what we know of its existing inventory, North Korea has short- and medium-range missiles that could complicate a situation on the Korean Peninsula (and perhaps reach Japan), but we have not seen any evidence that it has long-range missiles that could strike the continental US, Guam or Hawaii," James Hardy, Asia Pacific editor of IHS Jane's Defence Weekly, wrote in a recent analysis.

Kim, the South Korean defense minister, said that if North Korea were preparing for a full-scale conflict, there would be signs such as the mobilization of a number of units, including supply and rear troops, but South Korean military officials have found no such preparations.

"(North Korea's recent threats) are rhetorical threats. I believe the odds of a full-scale provocation are small," he said. But he added that North Korea might mount a small-scale provocation such as its 2010 shelling of a South Korean island, an attack that killed four people.
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At times, North Korea has gone beyond rhetoric.

On Tuesday, it announced it would restart a plutonium reactor it had shut down in 2007. A US research institute said Wednesday that satellite imagery shows that construction needed for the restart has already begun.

For a second day yesterday, North Korean border authorities denied entry to South Koreans who manage jointly run factories in the North Korean city of Kaesong. South Koreans already at the plant were being allowed to return home.

South Korea has prepared a military contingency plan should North Korea hold South Korean workers hostage in Kaesong, Defense Minister Kim said. He wouldn't elaborate.

Outraged over comments in the South about possible hostage-taking and a military response from Seoul, a North Korean government-run committee threatened to pull North Korean workers out of Kaesong as well.

In Monaco, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was "very much disappointed and concerned" by the North's move to restrict access by South Korean personnel and goods into Kaesong's industrial complex and called for the measure to be lifted as soon as possible.

North Korea's military statement yesterday, from an unidentified spokesman from the General Bureau of the Korean People's Army, said its troops had been authorized to counter U.S. "aggression" with "powerful practical military counteractions," including nuclear weapons.


Soldiers of the U.S. Army 23rd chemical battalion, wearing anti-chemical suits check mock chemical pollutants on each other for a demonstration of their equipment during a ceremony to recognize the battalion's official return to the 2nd Infantry Division based in South Korea at Camp Stanley in Uijeongbu, north of Seoul.

It said America's "hostile policy" and "nuclear threat" against North Korea "will be smashed by the strong will of all the united service personnel and people and cutting-edge smaller, lighter and diversified nuclear strike means."

US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Washington is doing all it can to defuse the situation.

"Some of the actions they've taken over the last few weeks present a real and clear danger and threat" to the US and its allies, Hagel said Wednesday.

White House spokesman Jay Carney has called on Russia and China, two countries he said have influence on North Korea, to use that influence to persuade the North to change course.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich has criticised a move by the North Korean parliament this week to declare the country in effect a nuclear weapons state.

"It's categorically unacceptable to see such defiant neglect by Pyongyang of UN Security Council resolutions and fundamental regulations in the area of non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction," he said.

South Korea's Defense Ministry said its military is ready to deal with any provocation by North Korea. "I can say we have no problem in crisis management," deputy ministry spokesman Wee Yong-sub told reporters.

The 11-day US-South Korean joint military drills in March involved 10,000 South Korean and about 3000 US troops, incorporating fighter jets and nuclear-capable stealth bombers. Those coincided with two months of separate US-South Korean field exercises that began March 1.

On Sunday, Kim Jong Un led a high-level meeting of party officials who declared building the economy and "nuclear armed forces" as the nation's priorities.

North Korea is believed to be working toward building an atomic bomb small enough to mount on a long-range missile. Long-range rocket launches designed to send satellites into space in 2009 and 2012 were widely considered covert tests of missile technology, and North Korea has conducted three underground nuclear tests.

"I don't believe North Korea has the capacity to attack the United States with nuclear weapons mounted on missiles, and won't for many years. Its ability to target and strike South Korea is also very limited," nuclear scientist Siegfried Hecker, a senior fellow at the Center for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University, said this week.

In comments posted on CISAC's website, Hecker said North Korea knows a nuclear attack would be met with "a devastating nuclear response."

Hecker has estimated that North Korea has enough plutonium to make several crude nuclear bombs. Its announcement Tuesday that it would restart a plutonium reactor indicated that it intends to produce more nuclear weapons material.

The US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies has examined recent commercial satellite imagery of the Nyongbyon nuclear facility, where the reactor was shut down in 2007 under the terms of a disarmament agreement. A cooling tower for the reactor was destroyed in 2008.

The analysis published on the institute's website, 38 North, says that rebuilding the tower would take six months, but a March 27 photo shows building work may have started for an alternative cooling system that could take just weeks. Experts estimate it could take three months to a year to restart the plant.

- With AP

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/in...-1226612936097

PS - I'll try and do my best 'Gomer Pyle' impersonation for you...

SURPRISE - SURPRISE - SURPRISE...

Look who's back on the Radar...

None other than Bill Richardson himself...!



That should (TELL YOU) all you need to know...

What happened to the 'Nuclear Threat'...?

...and just to throw a little 'Spice' into the mixture we now have the 'Chemical Threat'...

Well who would of thought...

PSS - I think I know what's going to happen now, but that's for another 'Thread' I may start soon...

[apokalypse]

et's have made their point and will stop it so nuclear will not happen for one reason...

[gigha]

just curious but what et's exactly told you this. With peace. gigha