What controls the hologram?

[heyokah]

Posted by Flash (here)
By dismissing critical thinking on concept right away because they are subjective, you are, in my idea, going away from evolution and discoveries
I have seen critical thinking based on personal evidence rejected by the op for not being objective.

Observer clearly said in the last paragraph of his OP, 

Posted by observer (here)
Once any individual begins interpreting any objective data, those interpretations become a subjective understanding and unique to only that individual. Therefore, what I have summarized (above) are nothing more than my own personal subjective observations. Synthesize them into your belief system in whatever fashion that suits your perceptions (free will).

Posted by Flash (here)
You have here a wonderful thread, just let it participate in the stream of life with all that it involves (personal, objective, heart, mind, research,name it)

I think there are already enough threads where one can participate according to the stream of life with all that it involves (personal, objective, heart, mind, research, name it all) without any restrictions given beforehand.

So, let's now take up the challenge observer is offering us here, which is finding the answer to the question: What controls the hologram?.... with one restriction,.... leaving out any interpretation or critical thinking based on data that could have been obtained from, or influenced by constructed religion, channeled material or other manipulated evidence.

That's the only thing he has been asking from us.

I don't understand why this is so upsetting to some members.

[sheme]

I see a binary star system with a few moons you look at each other and admire the colours so much you never want it to end, your journey gives you much pleasure -when you are ready for the answer you will look inside and see that it was there all along ,enjoy your journey. All my light subjective objective. LOL

I heard some one say "It doesn't matter what you do or say, it is what you think that's important"

[Beren]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
By dismissing critical thinking on concept right away because they are subjective, you are, in my idea, going away from evolution and discoveries
I have seen critical thinking based on personal evidence rejected by the op for not being objective.

Observer clearly said in the last paragraph of his OP,

Posted by observer (here)
Once any individual begins interpreting any objective data, those interpretations become a subjective understanding and unique to only that individual. Therefore, what I have summarized (above) are nothing more than my own personal subjective observations. Synthesize them into your belief system in whatever fashion that suits your perceptions (free will).

Posted by Flash (here)
You have here a wonderful thread, just let it participate in the stream of life with all that it involves (personal, objective, heart, mind, research,name it)

I think there are already enough threads where one can participate according to the stream of life with all that it involves (personal, objective, heart, mind, research, name it all) without any restrictions given beforehand.

So, let's now take up the challenge observer is offering us here, which is finding the answer to the question: What controls the hologram?.... with one restriction,.... leaving out any interpretation or critical thinking based on data that could have been obtained from, or influenced by constructed religion, channeled material or other manipulated evidence.

That's the only thing he has been asking from us.

I don't understand why this is so upsetting to some members.

It`s not upsetting thing, just an impossible task to give any data without at least one category here.
My current thought here and now is making me think why bother further when one is stubborn so much and is deliberately blind to answers.

What is a religion?
What is channeling?
What is manipulated evidence?

How do you describe today`s science without a word of religion?
They cannot prove anything now since their models are falling apart daily with new discoveries in quantum physics.
I mean the whole thing is simply built on wrong foundations.

What is channeling?

An inspiration. And as everything can be both good or bar so it is with some inspirations-good of bad vibes.
Tesla was channeling things that nobody believed in or even called him mad.
But because of him we are typing today here on this forum...

But there are also bad channeling and we know their results.
It is the inspiration which counts- In/spiration - the spirit that goes within you so you have a new idea.

Is this bad always as you suggest along with observer here?

Am I a delusional freak or evil because I write poetry and publish a book?
Because I am inspired or so to say channel things that I see in other dimensions and pour them into poems?

Is it possible that a forest cannot be seen from a tree here???

Then the quarrel about subjective Vs. objective.

EVERYTHING is subjective.
Even if presented many times it`s still subjective on each mind observing it.

I remember that Observer once stated that after several decades of following chanellers and being deluded few times that he discarded all that is remotely close to spirit experience.
Yet he asks what control the hologram.

Spirits my friend-spirits.

But see because of his disappointment he doesn`t want to discuss things perpetually dismissing other experiences as invalid. If this continues further I am afraid he will get no answer to his questions.

And you CANNOT prove this by any physical objective proof ever.
Because someone has to SUBJECTIVELY believe you and others may not . According to their SUBJECTIVE opinion at the time.

If you want to deal with spirits and their reasons for making the hologram or else discussed in this thread - you will have to broaden your perception or you will be perpetually stuck at square one.

And I rest my case here.
And again I am taking this personally since everything is personal despite you don`t think so.
It is I or you who decide what they will do with presented information.

This thread will become a futile experiment if we negate the obvious things in existence.

[Delight]

Posted by Beren (here)

Thank you Beren for pointing-out how you believe the Control Mechanism can be disassembled. Overcoming fear has a significant amount to do with it.

However, "understanding" (knowledge) is the key to disassembling the mechanism.... Mass Understanding.

[Keep in mind, 'knowledge' is the 'forbidden fruit'. Knowledge of the control mechanism, and how that mechanism works it the part that is 'forbidden']

It is easy for one to read into your interpretation the telepathically implanted concept of "Fear is our Enemy". This is a universal truth which is given to certify a much bigger lie.

Where, within this generally accepted rhetoric, does this interpretation account for endless a$$-biting loops of birth-death-rebirth.... all appearing to be nothing more than a crap-shoot? .... all reoccurring over millennia of time with no, or hardly any, recollection of the former?

A "malevolent controller behind the curtain" does account for this quite apparent phenomenon. All one need do is review the records from antiquity, gleaned from around the globe, and one will quickly realize there is a commonality to the concept of reincarnation. This commonality found in totally disassociated cultures is a key point of objective evidence. It is not a myth, as your Fundamentalist Christians would have you believe, because as has already been stated, "everything we think we understand is a lie".

Thanks for the reply.
I don`t know why you are placing me into a fundamental Christian basket...seems like that you have this conclusion by my comments in the forum, when in fact I never had the "view" you`re attaching to me, just common sense when dealing with Bible and God...
But it`s ok. You are free to think of me whatever you wish.

What happened to you in all those years as you were exploring the worlds seen and unseen that you have this attitude of negation of other people`s experiences?

By your own account and judgement of other`s views and experiences, what makes you think that anyone would trust your view at all?

Just because you say that you found "objective evidences" in David Icke and rest of the links you post?

I call you to raise above your current perception and see that life isn`t that much dark as you perceive it.
Struggles and fights-yes but I don`t know why you put that much power into controllers hands by repeatedly stating "they are cleaver in what they do"
It sounds like Denethor from LOTR who lost all his hope because he glanced into Palantir and believed Sauron`s might has no equal.

Have faith in Love.
In Good.

It`s always darkest before the dawn...and don`t buy all the things you saw that dark ones have in power...

Reincarnation?

You look form Earthly point of view-limited one.
Can you explain why-the reason of souls`s whereabouts in the whole wide universe?

Can you explain how Earth rotates in space?
Can you explain and evidence how Sun is life giving Star for Earth`s life?
Can you explain why and how life is abundant on Earth but is not on Moon or other planets in our system?

Can you?

Then can you explain all the reasons why one soul came here in the first place?
Can you fathom all the possibilities of one soul and places and dimensions where it can be simultaneously?




Then why do you ask continuously these question of hologram and deny the possibility that someone explains to you what`s going on?
Who hurt you this much that you refuse other`s views and help?

It starts to sound like you are preaching your own gospel and whoever isn`t agreeing with you , you label them.
It seems that you doubt in good much but believe in evil more...

WHY?

Beren,
This post is very appreciated.
What if "we" control the hologram? What if "we" includes everything? What if there is nothing but light?
This is so huge as to confound the mental capacity and cannot be understood.
But some part of me realizes that I have been the one to reject my connection. I did it willingly but I was goaded by an un-nameable fear that I tried to put my finger on.
Then I hit bottom.
Now at the bottom, I have to choose a balance of "faith". I agree that when I have felt so very paranoid, I rejected any help.
I have been paranoid since I can recall. Maybe I chose to be taught by the limits of "self" so I'd get sick and tired and allow the help?
In my personal Life I feel I have created such an extreme state because I want to be able to trust that benevolence a larger enveloping lover.
I have to choose God or i will die. That is what i know from my suffering.
This "time" seems to be taking us to the edge of our alone attempts to cope. We cannot stand apart and I have managed to attempt the impossible.
People may think this is religious but it is about electro/magnetics in a way that I cannot understand.
This is something I am beginning to contemplate.
I know this is about some opportunity that we are receiving.

[greybeard]

Hi Delight.
Basically the thread on transcending ego may help you have a better balance.
The ego likes to keep you in fear---that is the controller not an external entity.
I agree with Beren-- we have different ways of expressing but its coming from the same place

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post652709

Please have a look at what I have written on the linked post.
In line with this thread we are the totality all of it.
Everything that we individually experiencing adds to the hologram.
A rising tide lifts all boats----- consciousness is rising.
Chris

[Delight]

Posted by greybeard (here)

In line with this thread we are the totality all of it.
Everything that we individually experiencing adds to the hologram.
A rising tide lifts all boats----- consciousness is rising.
Chris

I appreciated the link to your post and yes, I believe I was saying something similar but more dramatically first person.
And there is a rising tide of light...
And the choice to rise is sort of what I feel about deep desire to allow that "faith" that the intellect cannot grasp and that may be part of a plan.
I accept my limitations and I will agree that I do not really know anything. My Ego has been agreeing due to the suffering of complete failure.
I believe my ego wishes to rise and seems ready to capitulate for the "good" of "we".
Eckert Tolle in one talk \I heard said the Ego was not a mistake, just part of the Big Trip and I beleve "we" are ready for a new experience.

[Beren]

Beren,
This post is very appreciated.
What if "we" control the hologram? What if "we" includes everything? What if there is nothing but light?
This is so huge as to confound the mental capacity and cannot be understood.
But some part of me realizes that I have been the one to reject my connection. I did it willingly but I was goaded by an un-nameable fear that I tried to put my finger on.
Then I hit bottom.
Now at the bottom, I have to choose a balance of "faith". I agree that when I have felt so very paranoid, I rejected any help.
I have been paranoid since I can recall. Maybe I chose to be taught by the limits of "self" so I'd get sick and tired and allow the help?
In my personal Life I feel I have created such an extreme state because I want to be able to trust that benevolence a larger enveloping lover.
I have to choose God or i will die. That is what i know from my suffering.
This "time" seems to be taking us to the edge of our alone attempts to cope. We cannot stand apart and I have managed to attempt the impossible.
People may think this is religious but it is about electro/magnetics in a way that I cannot understand.
This is something I am beginning to contemplate.
I know this is about some opportunity that we are receiving.

Thank you for your deep honesty here.
We all add up to the hologram. Key is the rising in consciousness to understand what`s going on and how universe works. When one does that then what happens is that one cuts off all leeches from him/her.

Leeches or spirits gridlocked into vampire of energy mode are then dealt with. With compassion BUT firmness.
Meaning by cutting them off , you are destroying their evil template and potentially freeing the inner spark of those spirits-which is Source`s.

Spirits manipulate others and deliberately keeping them down in illusion so that souls in their chaotic sowing or dispersing of energy (which is inherently abundant) act as host entities which produce energy for them.
Until one grows up in consciousness and is awaken - one will not realize what`s going on at all.

Growing up in consciousness meaning being closer and closer or uniting with God-Source-Creator-Love.

And here lies the possible trap; namely Observer was right in this instance here- many spirits pose falsely as Source or God thus misleading innocent souls into further energy trap.
But the only true validator is the Love.
Love is.

Love is God and God is Love.

The one falsely appearing as God can mimic Love but cannot carry its vibration.
Then you will have to search your soul and its core (because it`s made of sheer Love`s spark) to recognize the God`s imprint thus to be safe when asking God for help.

Then you`ll recognize are some spiritual forces fooling you or you are actually communicating with God.
Above all never fear when dealing with spirits. Be Love in energy and intent.

[observer]

Statement of Intention:
It was never the intention of this thread to prove the Holographic Universe Model to be the absolute description of how this particular reality operates. That Model was introduced in the OP of this thread as a vehicle to explore a possibility of how this reality operates and how, what we all see and experience, could be cleverly manipulated from an hyperdimensionally controlled mechanism. The Model was suggested so that we could look at the physical evidence which brings one to this obvious "control mechanism" conclusion.

I offer the following video in response to all those members expressing a doubt in the Holographic Universe Model:
Link to the Nova Series Program - Quantum Mechanics - The Fabric of the Cosmos:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ii-rgZG9rlc
(pay particular attention to what is said beginning at around 48 min.: 30 sec.)

[The Holographic Universe Model offers one possible explanation of the "weirdness at the quantum level": that is, if one accepts the concept that there is a control mechanism that causes a commonality to occur out of the quantum field of infinite potential.]

One might note a quote from Werner Heisenberg the father of Quantum Mechanics:

" It is impossible to design an apparatus to determine which slit the electron passes through that will not, at the same time, disturb the electron enough to collapse its wave function, destroying the interference pattern"

If this is not "observation" than explain just what observation is.

Assuming there are many different interpretations one can make from the Quantum Mechanics data, i.e. "matter only exists as a particle-form when it is being observed, otherwise it exists as a wave-form". One of those possible interpretations has been expressed as the Holographic Universe Model.

The above Nova Documentary suggests there are many different interpretations , the Multiple Universe Model is yet another assumption, and is the conclusion of that documentary. If that is where any member wishes to go, than please, be my guest, just keep your derailing comments out of this thread. This thread is not about proving or disproving scientific models. It is about presenting physical evidence that this particular reality is being cleverly manipulated.

I have reviewed the Primer Field videos a second time, and I reiterate what I said in an earlier comment:

Posted by observer (here)
" Many times, in other threads, over the time I've been a member, I have referenced the work of David Talbott, and Wallace Thornhill regarding the possibility of an Electric Universe Model.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA
(That is David Talbott, not to be confused with Michael Talbot.)

I find the evidence you have provided in the Primer Field Videos to be supportive to the Electric Universe Model. I do not find the Primer Field Information having any bearing on the Holographic Universe Model. I personally have no difficulty merging the two unrelated concepts into one Unified Model, however.

My conclusion, here would be: the same "something" that turned on the holographic projector, also flipped the switch that causes this Electric Universe to continue operating. "

If one were to go to the list of Research References, found in the OP of this thread, one will clearly see that list contains far more than the one particular video series to which some members are objecting. The entire list was posted as a foundation for interpreting a control mechanism into this particular reality. I have modified that list with updates to the specific experiment that was brought into question. I have readdressed the photon v. electron issue repeatedly, to the avail of no satisfactory answer from any of those questioning the physics lab data. The Nova Documentary clearly defines the physics lab data, all supporting the Holographic Universe Model. Yet, I'm told that my research isn't adequate, that I must document all the physicists who support this Holographic Model.

The resources have been clearly a part of the foundations of this thread since it was first posted. If any member is unwilling to apprise themselves of that foundational understanding, and repeatedly comes into the thread and makes derailing statements, regarding his nebulous understanding of a concept that has wide acceptance within the scientific community, than it appears (to me) you have no real intention of looking at the stated purpose of the thread at all.

• There are references to Michael Talbot's work, for instance. Any concerned researcher would check-out the many other links one might find regarding his work.
• There is a book by David Icke referenced, David's work is prolific on the internet.
• There is also a link to the Nag Hammadi Library listed.

All of these links were presented as a foundational guide for the direction of this thread. All of those links are foundational to getting to the evidence that can be gleaned from the Historic Record regarding an objective interpretation of this Holographic Universe Model. How much of the Research References has any of those intent on derailing reviewed?

I would suggest that the continued disruption into the flow of that information represents a personal opinions of this particular reality, and represents a clear indication that many of the members simply don't wish this kind of information discussed.

[Bo Atkinson]

Just in case the hologram was sort of a voluntary trance and... If our feelings and perceptions energized this isotropic reception of reality... If human reality was sort of a fly-eye experience. Like the dandelion seeds forming before the breeze. While all life's stimuli come at us.... Some sort of control or implicate order happens, whether it is personal or impersonal.

Scientific observation is considered by a personality, usually in direct lines of sight. Yet this tapering cone of vision, focusses inwardly, to see things meaningfully in context. To make a point of it! Opacity in the imagery rules the meanings. Remove the perspectives. Remove the auto-focusing. Remove the opacity of materiality. Now we could see all things timeless, transparent and outside of earthly functions.

Does one want that? Well, perhaps not exactly, perhaps there is something fun up ahead of the curve. Perhaps we can learn to make creative things happen. Can we learn or present skills of observation? Can we solve the confused views of others? Can we overcome the nasty views of the power-lusting demons? Can we compare the hologram to a higher order game?

So what controls the individualities, the viewpoints, the view angles, the autofocus, the opacity, the transparency, the field effects or... What controls the trance? I'm persuaded that it is all a voluntary game with set rules of views and rules of materiality. To make the game well worth it, for all folks, for the awake, for the aware and for the sleepy folks too. To experience what we can experience, whether it's a slit experiment, or two.

In this view, triangulated perception, (observation), controls the hologram. Give it a look, to keep it going. Build an experiment. Consult some well tested viewpoints. Wire up a the electronics to view particles of waves, or is it waves of particles. You decide. The nodes and the nulls, the parts and the whole, will manifest the points we make of them.

Thanks for the thread Observer and thanks to all who posted here. May the thread continue with more points.

~w~

[observer]

.... yet, wavydome, we all share a commonality when it comes to perceiving reality. We all interpret the Quantum Field of Infinite Possibility to reveal an apple to be an apple, regardless if there are infinite interpretations possible. I'm assuming you are saying, this commonality is due to some sort of hypnotic trance?

I don't believe there is any argument regarding the hypnotic trance.

The social order has been hypnotically manipulated since the Dawn of Man. There is much more causing a commonality to emerge from the Quantum Field of Infinite Possibility than simply certain specific elite elements of the Mass of Humanity hypnotically manipulating the social order. This hypnotic trance has continued for much too long to be simply the result of Human Manipulation.

There is something outside of this particular reality that causes this commonality.

The Holographic Universe Model goes a long way to explaining this phenomenon.

Science is an ever evolving pursuit of knowledge. There is already enough scientific awareness to get one through the night, but we are a long way from understanding everything. One must not go to sleep with the knowledge that the Mass of Humanity is hypnotized. That knowledge alone will not release one from the grip of the matrix of control.

It is only through knowledge of the mechanics of the control mechanism that will release one from the paralyzing grip of that which controls.

I would suggest there are far more entities living within this particular reality who are not enjoying the ride - at all.

Research Resource:
David Icke - Parasite Entities That Feed Off Human Emotional Energy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nmktbVlZlGg

[CD7]

It is only through knowledge of the mechanics of the control mechanism that will release one from the paralyzing grip of that which controls.

Wht knowledge does one need to know for release? I mean once someone knows the mechanics...wht is done by the being?

I would suggest there are far more entities living within this particular reality who are not enjoying the ride - at all

.

Yes..this "ride" effects many...tht is a vital issue tht is heartbreaking to observe....

[araucaria]

Posted by observer (here)
I would suggest that the continued disruption into the flow of that information represents a personal opinions of this particular reality, and represents a clear indication that many of the members simply don't wish this kind of information discussed.

Dear Observer, there is no need to see a conspiracy of silence where it might be better merely to note some difficulty for people to factor in your formulation of the situation without inevitably straying “off topic”. The following will also seem off topic but I am afraid it is the best I can do to engage in this dialogue rather than hold my tongue. There is certainly to my mind nothing undiscussable here that would suggest the operation of the matrix actually on this thread.

Objective data is a wave form. Whenever it collapses into particles it becomes subjective, which is what we mean when we says it depends on the perceptions of an observer. Multiple observers produce not objectivity but only multiple subjectivity, in other words consensus. Our reality only holds together on the basis of this consensus. My purpose here is to provide my subjectivity to the full, in the face of consensus. I have my very personal way of seeing things, and as an individual observer I insist on enforcing this defining trait of mine. To that extent, I am going to disagree to some small extent with everyone else, although exchanging viewpoints is diametrically opposed to open conflict.

As “hard evidence”, a dinosaur fossil is very subjective; we can all come up with a theory as to what it is or means. Some will build it up with corroborative evidence of the same type into a theory that large animals once roamed this planet, neglecting any problems that this may in turn raise. Another hypothesis might be that the fossil was made by… a fossil maker. In the holographic model, this suddenly becomes a lot more likely that it first seemed. If everything is an illusion, this particular item might as well be an illusion in this way rather than that.

Science operates on the basis of spotting anomalies, just as solving jigsaw puzzles relies on spotting mistakes. Forbidden archaeology is all about anomalies that have been swept under the carpet to create a false scenario for human history. Such material is one kind of hard evidence we look at. The Moon is another anomaly: too large, too close, too convenient for solar eclipses, too hollow… - in a word probably artificial. We might also consider ways in which our reality appears to be somewhat botched. Our Earth is slightly off kilter, it has a not quite circular orbit in not quite the ideal 360 days etc. These may be the signs either of a demiurge’s incompetence, or simply the signs of a more complex system than we presently think, e.g. a binary star system. Or both: obfuscation is one aspect of satanic cunning passing off substandard counterfeit goods as the real thing.

Either way, we know that we are always working on the basis of our current best educated guess, and here our subjective choice is to see that as good or bad, or to be non-judgmental observers and refuse to make that call. It seems to me that the emerging picture is that from seeing the universe as “all that is” we have by all accounts evolved towards the idea of several universes, i.e. that “all that is” is rather less than the whole story. Whether “good” or “bad”, it is certainly imperfect.

Given that “knowledge”, individual at first then consensual, what we can do is to inject some of the “out there” into this limited universe and see what happens. The holographic model, we tend to forget this, is less than the full monty: more like Plato’s cave than full dolby surround. Evidence of this is the concordant message brought back by NDErs and OBErs. In a spirit of Jamesian pragmatism, I tend to view things on the basis of whether they are agreeable to us or not. I can only adopt what works for me in my microcosm and suppose that if it works here it will work for others elsewhere. Anything that brings greater peace and harmony I count as being for “good”. My only yardstick is whether or not I achieve that. If anomalous behaviour by others with a different view of what is good disrupts this harmony, then this option is also the best way of dealing with the problem. Disorderliness is easier to deal with in a library atmosphere than in a shopping mall.

[Bo Atkinson]

observer: The Holographic Universe Model goes a long way to explaining this phenomenon...

Which in large measure is a technology involving wave manifestations, interference nodes, condensates forming particle flows and the many cycles of conditional conjugations. Aside to the bored and the weary: This can be much more than just pouring from the empty into the void, it can become fun to expand with multiple disciplines, via- creatively.

observer: ...It is only through knowledge of the mechanics of the control mechanism that will release one from the paralyzing grip of that which controls...

Yes, communications becomes a solvent. How on earth do we inspire technological love of learning the mechanisms? How are common humans moved into creative multi tasking, multi learning and solving society's problems creatively? I see many doing so in decentralized fashion, which i believe is beneficial.

observer: ...There is something outside of this particular reality that causes this commonality...

My take is that external realities have designed and implemented these 'commonalities'. By proportioning more or less "frequency band width". Or more or less 'reach'. Beings are typically using 30º cones of perception and projection. The cone can still surf the web or switch bands, here or there.

An era with "the bad guy" on top of materialistic hierarchies, is a games condition like a software script. The "good guys" scripts are cherished roles to play here: Master the challenges of discernment and expand bandwidth of awareness. Filter off the traps of materialism, which are so cunning and hypnotic.

observer: I would suggest there are far more entities living within this particular reality who are not enjoying the ride - at all.

I have been exposed to a wide range of "necessity levels". I should know. Necessity provides many kinds of life's lessons. Negligence, abuse and incompetence are harsher games in materialism. Games of becoming planetary beings provides countless scripts to taste, to challenge, to fulfill. To face the trials and tribulations and not fall to the temptations of materialism.

CD7: ... Wht knowledge does one need to know for release? I mean once someone knows the mechanics...wht is done by the being?

I look for shortcuts but decided that the long runs can become quite beneficial, for instance, to study comprehensive-ism. Among other rules, to take responsibility for personal life as-is, work through it. Steer towards the outcomes of one's higher beliefs, then cruise and learn, walk and talk at the same time.

araucaria: ...Given that “knowledge”, individual at first then consensual, what we can do is to inject some of the “out there” into this limited universe and see what happens. The holographic model, we tend to forget this, is less than the full monty: more like Plato’s cave than full dolby surround....

Yes, i feel the struggle of resonating allocated bands to any consensus. The rules and regs of radio modulation do limit the bandwidth of communication. Still we can sweep all the bands, accept and abide by the rules.

To reject the rules because we stubbed our toe, is quite costly. Keep the hand on that plow....

~~~

Let us try paraphrasing more of our complex perceptions of the system.

Other sorts of reality-manipulation are coming to literature and to scholarship... EG: The Matrix Deciphered by Dr Robert Duncan. (He published a free book easily found on line). He was a researcher and original builder of mind control equipment, who eventually became a whistle blower-- He was not initially informed about the malice of forethought-- This was not in the job description. The best and brightest are typically lured into high paying careers. While bright they may be, they typically encounter lessons of discernment. He sure did and shared it well. It seems he shared it heroically.

Book: by this whistle blower, Robert Duncan: http://www.freedomfchs.com/thematrixdeciph.pdf
and/or
http://thoughtlessness23.blogspot.com These are long, hard text files. Doing some basic study, even older AC vs Digital training, such as radio communications tech is highly recommended. I did this study at age 20, through snail mail-- It is easier to study on line, if one can focus that 30º cone of attention or go laser pointer with that. Isotropic studies is easier understood with baby steps in many subjects, for starters. I've been at this for 4 decades plus, by now and write all this in hopes of encouraging others.

Let me interpret a little more of the free, online book:

Duncan's heterodyning tech actually can have good applications, if it is not directed by an enemy cabal. In any case, his equipment works a little like ordinary radio waves, tuned like a mind-transceiver. Call it an iphone stabbed into the personality, the 'me-being' within. This tech was hijacked, for the purpose of directly manipulating populations. This too, is a level of hypnotic, smart phone trance. According to the Dr, this tech is not 100% effective on everyone. Which means that sentient beings can become aware of deceptively-overlayed communications, or even of psychic attacks upon self. Discernment is a radio filter of choice or a shield for self. Awareness is not easily fooled by "the voice of god" and other deception scripts, reportedly on que. Among various deception games on que, to enslave masses.

So far, it seems, that this brand new cycle of the ages can not be manipulated by the cabal, as seemingly they lust for--With malice of forethought to thwart the cyclic scripts, to imortalize "the bad guy" scene. It might even be backfiring within their own ranks. As cabalistic mind distortions are exessively-competitive (and, hmmm, psychopathic). While physical world operations require significant cooperation, to carry on, to balance forward, to process, to fulfill game scripts all around. I still try to decipher the faulty cabalistic delusions of stealing without blowback. Unchecked, endless stealing, eventually erodes the thieve's own shields. Game over. Nevertheless, this process might draw-out over time. So that multi-disciplined learning, is the most valuable asset, to thrive under stress. (The grand uncle of intervention).

Individualist creativity is essentially the cabal's mightiest foe. Creativity is most effective if it implements all the game rules, ie wisdom of the ages. While at the same time adds a significant creative flare. The system does attempt to marginalize basic creativity, but ultimately, the best creation shines on through it all. Let our little lights shine. Small is beautiful. Beauty can best the beast.

~w~

[observer]

wavydome: "Individualist creativity is essentially the cabal's mightiest foe."

You will get no debate from me regarding that statement, wavydome. But, here's the rub:

wavydome: "Creativity is most effective if it implements all the game rules, ie wisdom of the ages."

Once one 'buys a ticket' on this ride of karma, one is trapped here until that ride is over - quite possibly another eternity. No one has ever returned after the ride was over and given any sort of physical evidence of what may be expected at the conclusion of the ride. There are those who say it's a "pit of fire", others say it's "eternal bliss". They say it's all a matter of following the rules, but:

• No one has ever given a clear list of the rules.
• The rules change all the time.
• As soon as one figures-out the rules, they get another trip around the wheel in which all that one may have gained in some previous lifetime is forgotten, and it becomes a crap-shoot as to whether one will pick-up where one left-off.
• All the while an hyperdimensional life-form is feeding off the energies.

Where in these obvious facts does one see any "wisdom of the ages" coming out of this alleged "Sacred Knowledge"? It looks more to me like "Old Failed Theologies", and "Sacred Deception"; both one-in-the-same.

It's a "game of chance, baby".... and the tables are tilted.... and individually, we don't stand a chance....

That's why it is imperative that the majority of Mass of Humanity understand the mechanics of the mechanism that controls this particular reality before any change might occur.

[As a compliment to the Robert Duncan material you referenced in your comment #193, I should add the following video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk

(Pay particular attention to what Dr. Trower is saying around the 11 minute mark)

This 'microwave warfare technology' dates back to the work of Nicola Tesla. It has been a element of the Black Ops tool box for the best part of one hundred years. ]

[Finefeather]

Well it seems to me that we're just going round in circles here observer.
You present the implant story as a compliment to Robert Duncan's work and Robert Duncan is quite clear in his book that the control is a Military/Industrial Complex conspiracy to make us believe we are been 'attacked' or threatened by Aliens.
I am a bit lost as to where your argument is in view of this. If you can believe...and I do also...that we are been implanted with man made technology...where does the hyperdimensional story come from?

Now you say

Once one 'buys a ticket' on this ride of karma, one is trapped here until that ride is over

which implies that you yourself bought a ticket...did you not know what the drill was going to be when you bought your ticket? because I knew...but here I am moving into the non evidence territory so once again...dead end.

The biggest hole in your argument and presentation, as I see it, is that there are billions of people on this planet who are living quite comfortably and quite happily despite the tiny few people, like yourself, who claim we are in a prison controlled by some alien force...when a person like Robert Duncan makes it quite clear...and it does not take a rocket scientist to be able to see the truth and the reason behind whats going on...that it has nothing to do with aliens and everything to do with greed, power and money.

Your paranoia about aliens and hyperdimensional beings is without one bit of evidence...unless we have to take some of your evidence by people who themselves are either ignorant, in bed with the elite or illuminati or whoever it is, or have nothing better to do other than to concoct sensational stories for the gullible to lap up and become like them...and hence like you...living in fear for the rest of your lives.

You are so adamant that you are right and yet so blind to the fact that there are people on this planet who have seen for themselves...by real phenomena, like NDE or OBE or Self Enlightenment, that what you are so paranoid about is actually a figment of your mind.

If you are so set in finding out the truth then what is stopping you from experiencing some of these abilities that millions of people have? are you frightened your theory may be disproved...by your own experience?
Your theory has about as much merit as any other theory...
If you take some time to study the work of the Monroe Institute or the Phase Study...you might just get some peace in your life.
Take care
Ray

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XsE4mdB1-t4

[heyokah]

Posted by CD7 (here)

What knowledge does one need to know for release? I mean once someone knows the mechanics...what is done by the being?

Good question.

Among others, David Icke has given us a good picture of how the system of control might be working. This information is all 'of the brain'.
I think now he is trying to show us a way out, through Consciousness, as we are more than just a brain.
What does he actually mean by this Consciousness?

When information is falling like seed on unprepared ground, it might end up in fear, anger or the feeling of being personally attacked.
That all depends on the energy level on which the receiver is vibrating at that moment, the element Earth, Water or Fire. Only from the vibration level of Air (where Heart resides) and higher (Ether, Sound and Light), the information will probably be understood with discernment, creativity and in full awareness (consciousness) so it can be transformed into something fruitful.

I think David Icke is telling us that the truth about breaking free of our enslavement is twofold ..... we'll probably have to do OUR part as well.

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by observer (here)
..........

wavydome: "Creativity is most effective if it implements all the game rules, ie wisdom of the ages."

Once one 'buys a ticket' on this ride of karma, one is trapped here until that ride is over - quite possibly another eternity. No one has ever returned after the ride was over ...

Admitting my years of struggle with many disappointments, no matter...

We can enjoy savoring many conjectures. I hope mine find a place in the sun.

• No one has ever given a clear list of the rules.

You bet, as that is the agreement made on the higher level-- To be distinguished from the cabal who is trying to hijack the lower level of earths present course.

IMHO- The higher level game is not malicious as is the cabal game brain-assulting us here in "3d".

• The rules change all the time.

Reports, conjecture and plays are changing... We don't automatically get tickets to sweep or spectrum analyze the all and everything. We can in fact study and grow. We can invest in tools-- I still have a tool or two from my teen age years.

• As soon as one figures-out the rules, they get another trip around the wheel in which all that one may have gained in some previous lifetime is forgotten, and it becomes a crap-shoot as to whether one will pick-up where one left-off.

I rather think this is more of typical doubt-implanting or challenges we are given to deal with. The challenge of needing to build our own knowledge base of the present lifetime. Build well, accept faults, work through them, (old wisdom stuff).

Let's also consider what would be the perfect matrix or toatlity-system one might choose to live in? My reflection on these is that such a life is boring in context with the planetary being game. In other words, humanoid bodies are automatically filled with challenges, like that roller-coater ride at the park.

• The rules change all the time.

• As soon as one figures-out the rules, they get another trip around the wheel in which all that one may have gained in some previous lifetime is forgotten, and it becomes a crap-shoot as to whether one will pick-up where one left-off.

Here especially i recommend the notion of inheriting wisdom stuff. I regard intuition, invention and even the genetic-entity-data-steams as resources we can and usually do tap into. Keep taping, try what works, innovate, don't give up.

• All the while an hyperdimensional life-form is feeding off the energies.

We can stop manifesting baser energies... i've struggled with temptation. It tries to control. redirect energies to creativity, like reversing the flow.

Where in these obvious facts does one see any "wisdom of the ages" coming out of this alleged "Sacred Knowledge"? It looks more to me like "Old Failed Theologies, and "Sacred Deception"; both one-in-the-same.

Amen and Ah...Yes, "pouring from the empty into the void" (GI Gurdjieff).... Ya, i got bored with this planetary game too, even getting despaired at times... Here is where a stronger practice of one's own specific creativity comes in: Build thing(s) which are appropriately satisfying. It's hard to sell to others, but no matter. We are in hard times, don't expect payoffs. Just expect sustenance on a shoe string, (the case of a growing silent majority). Also resonate with others, building the web connectors of life. That's what planetary beings do....

It's a "game of chance, baby".... and the tables are tilted.... and individually, we don't stand a chance....

Feel the thrills my friends.... But hold on to forbearance too, (though ancient this may be)....

That's why it is imperative that the majority of Mass of Humanity understand the mechanics of the mechanism that controls this particular reality before any change might occur.

Cheers to this. Drink it to the full!

(Pay particular attention to what Dr. Trower is saying around the 11 minute mark)]

I like his testimony and pointing out the criminality. Now where is justice? The appreciation of which we should impart to many in our life-- Regardless of how weak this sphere might seem to us. First though is to polish it up with our creative force, make it look good, even if cost nothing, besides our inspiration and our time..

My suggestion: We need to design a thread or rather a chart to hang on the wall:

It needs to ultimately be edited or tailored to individual lives.

It needs to cover talking points like the criminality evidence, but well punctuated with cases on-topic and tailored for the the audience people can reach. Forget: "one shoe fits all.

Finefeather:
Well it seems to me that we're just going round in circles here observer....

Yes good sir, i appreciate what you say, because i spent my awareness very multi-culturally, (nearly from birth as an expat, besides). So it became natural for me to force myself into patience role. I think that our friend observer is outraged and to an understandable extent deserves his stand. May we keep the foci on the OP sci stuff, touch upon smaller segments of the spiritual stuff, with larger examples linked to 'real' world sci-mechanics. May we keep challenges friendly. Or measured a just bit more than usual, to make us all stronger.

[observer]

from Finefeather's comment #195: " Well it seems to me that we're just going round in circles here observer."

Your intentions are clear, Ray. You only wish to prove the point of this thread to be false. That which you characterize as my "paranoia" is simply your theologies being challenged. There is no paranoia involved in the pursuit of a trail of evidence.

Nowhere did I make the claim that those manipulating this particular reality were "aliens". Your Phase Video is useless in proving that point. In fact, the video only goes to show how so many are easily confused through the clever manipulation of telepathic thought.

As to the Dr. Barrie Trower video being about "implants", although implants were discussed in that video, it was primarily about the use of microwave weapons. You obviously didn't listen all the way through.

And to the Robert Duncan information being only about military involvement in the 'mind control game', one must synthesize the evidence gleaned from Dr. Trower, and Robert Duncan to reach an hyperdimensional conclusion - not an alien conclusion.

So, please Ray, again I ask that you cease and desist form slandering my character with your bursts of debate, and allow this thread to seek the objective evidence we are pursuing.

To quote from wavydome's last comment:

"May we keep the foci on the OP sci stuff, touch upon smaller segments of the spiritual stuff, with larger examples linked to 'real' world sci-mechanics."

That, sir, is thie intention of this thread....

[Delight]

I have been entering into some days of deep confrontation with "who" (myself) has been creating an unpleasant paradigm.
After deeply feeling into my own turmoil, tension, grasping, flip flopping, hate and fear, I am sure that I have had enough. One of the greatest realizations that I have at the moment is that actually I have had complete agreement with everything that I am a partcipant in. I feel that I have now turned my attention to a very fruitful "place" that seems to be a real place in my heart. Daily now I meditate with a willingness to be in communication. This step is huge as fro most of my life I refused any contact. The excuses were many and various but the truth is that I was content to be amsierable.

Now I no longer agree to misery. One of the things I had to do in my meditation was release every being I had contained in my heart. These may just be energetic signatures but for me they were a multitude (maybe over 8 billion) of thought forms of responsibility.

You may scoff but for me this is real inner science of living in "wherever this is". The story matters only to me about what this is here. I feel fuller and more capable to be myself and be loving and fear is manageable as i agree to be a student of the organic inner light. I trust this light to assist me. I have let go of practically all paranoia so I can feel fully...the Universe is benevolent and I am at the right place time and experience for me who is the beloved of light.....

I will see the use by fruits expressed. Will I be more of service and able to give and receive and be in peace, not just for meditation hours? I believe the still small voice in the heart is singing Yes. Love to all beings as we traverse the hologram... Maggie

[CD7]

CD7: ... Wht knowledge does one need to know for release? I mean once someone knows the mechanics...wht is done by the being?

wavydome
I look for shortcuts but decided that the long runs can become quite beneficial, for instance, to study comprehensive-ism. Among other rules, to take responsibility for personal life as-is, work through it. Steer towards the outcomes of one's higher beliefs, then cruise and learn, walk and talk at the same time.

Is this wht u r referring to?

http://mark_archuleta.tripod.com/Comprehensivism.html


Comprehensivists' Beliefs and Methods
Typical Cultural Beliefs and Methods

Comprehensivists see whole systems and understand how the parts work and interact. They are needed to optimize whole systems. Start with the biggest view possible, and then look at the details of the most important situations.
Specialists are used to improve specific system aspects. They see a narrow, detailed view. (Specialist roles were initially assigned to prevent more intelligent people from having a fuller view, thereby keeping them "divided and conquered".) They often don't see the big picture, thinking that is the responsibility of politicians.
Intuition is the first step of great discoveries and inventions. All great self-educated individuals intuitively derived what and when to learn.

Comprehensivists often create their own experiments to explore new or verify current assumptions.
Logic, memorization, and micro-skills are the foundations of most educational methods. Students are given few opportunities to use their big-picture skills while integrating all of the facts and micro-skills.
Realistic accounting of wealth---not as material possessions, but "Wealth is our organized capability to cope effectively with the environment in sustaining our healthy regeneration and decreasing both the physical and metaphysical restrictions of the forward days of our lives." (Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth, p. 85)
Materialistic accounting of wealth---most economists are focused on unemployment and Gross National Product and productivity measured in terms of manufacturing outputs. There is little, if any, accounting for the knowledge and skills of workers, human satisfaction, etc. etc.

Design-science revolution is the best way of improving mankind's situation. We should focus not on weaponry but on "livingry", which are tools to expand our ability to support life. We have sufficient resources to live abundantly

Political & economic control is usually expected to improve the human situation. When political leaders have different opinions about how a country (or world) ought to be managed, they resort to producing weaponry for war. Most leaders (and their followers) have a scarcity mentality based on the belief that "there is not enough for us all, so we have to compete for the insufficient amounts of our resources". I believe it is this mentality that breeds fear and feuding.
Global problems are best solved "through total democratic society's becoming thoroughly and comprehensively self-educated ... sort out and put those problems into order of importance for solution in respect to the most fundamental principles governing humanity's survival and enjoyment of life on Earth" (Critical Path, p. 266). And a complementary quote, from the same book, "do things that you see need to be done, and that no one else seems to see need to be done" (p. xxxviii).

Two of the most urgent world problems, in my mind, are pollution and ignorance-produced fear.
Global problems don't seem to be "owned" by anyone, and are addressed by only a few, poorly funded organizations with little power to produce changes. The 100+ nations each focus on their own problems, and are not investing much on our common problems such as global warming, ozone-layer depletion, deforestation, AIDS, hunger, etc.


And a second response from the same question..

Good question.

Among others, David Icke has given us a good picture of how the system of control might be working. This information is all 'of the brain'.
I think now he is trying to show us a way out, through Consciousness, as we are more than just a brain.
What does he actually mean by this Consciousness?

When information is falling like seed on unprepared ground, it might end up in fear, anger or the feeling of being personally attacked.
That all depends on the energy level on which the receiver is vibrating at that moment, the element Earth, Water or Fire. Only from the vibration level of Air (where Heart resides) and higher (Ether, Sound and Light), the information will probably be understood with discernment, creativity and in full awareness (consciousness) so it can be transformed into something fruitful.

I think David Icke is telling us that the truth about breaking free of our enslavement is twofold ..... we'll probably have to do OUR part as well.

Wow tht description is great!...tht would be most helpful to any individual to have the ability to rise above the muck, so to speak..

i believe consciousness has the ability to do Amazing things...

However it would b magnanimous if complete release from this "environment" is possible and an individual accomplished such a feat, then tht in turn would set everything else off as well--meaning WE would all benefit from this..not just joe smoe got it down and now lives in timbucktoo.