What controls the hologram?

[Bo Atkinson]

Delight: I have let go of practically all paranoia so I can feel fully...the Universe is benevolent and I am at the right place time and experience for me who is the beloved of light.....

The friendly universe concept with just a few bad apples, would seem the major case here. Well, except that a bad apple is squished over us humans, until we can wipe it off our face. Cheers to dropping fears.

CD7 Is this wht u r referring to?
http://mark_archuleta.tripod.com/Comprehensivism.html
Comprehensivists' Beliefs and Methods
Typical Cultural Beliefs and Methods

Yes, in general, except that Synergetics and "Design Science" are the official titles, concerning the building of a better world, (according to the founder, decades ago, Bucky Fuller was his name). To my knowledge, he never commented on the rabbit hole, but rather he scientifically engineered the abundance paradigm and rejected the fear mongering of the scarcity paradigm.

observer: ...one must synthesize the evidence gleaned from Dr. Trower, and Robert Duncan to reach an hyperdimensional conclusion - not an alien conclusion.

Observer, I still wonder if 'dimensionality' is well defined in sciences.... I was just reading Eric Dollards take, to the effect there is really only one dimension, (in his aether-electrical writing) and the one single dimension is 'space'. I have kinda wondered about that too. So i prefer to think of 'hyperdimensionality' as some specific band or coded modulation in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Why humans lack access to other frequency bands or codes is simply because single bands or single codes can be a full plate. Enough foods to eat there for ages.

In case some other-world frequency bands do feed into our spectrum... then IMO... This could be a promised disclosure process.... I just wonder about evidence issues. I also wonder if new bands might open up to receiver-worthy humans.

Here's a random fit for the chem-trail scenario, that of retarding human awareness, by shielding effects of the white-out. Keep humans out of touch with a friendly universe. Keep the fear intense, if they can.)

[observer]

Posted by wavydome (here)

"Observer, I still wonder if 'dimensionality' is well defined in sciences.... I was just reading Eric Dollards take, to the effect there is really only one dimension, (in his aether-electrical writing) and the one single dimension is 'space'. I have kinda wondered about that too. So i prefer to think of 'hyperdimensionality' as some specific band or coded modulation in the electromagnetic spectrum."

The phenomenon of ritualistic invocation dates back to the Dawn of Man. One can find records of ritual designed to summon the materialization of spirit forces strewn throughout the historic record. These summoned energies are coming from some place outside of our perception, and when summoned, their presence is very real.

One might also note that the records from antiquity indicate multiple Heavens. Many of these theologies make the claim of twelve heavens. Within certain braches of physics there are mathematic calculations for up to ten universes. All of this reporting indicates there are multiple dimensions outside of this particular reality

One can name the place these energies come from anything one wishes. I would suggest they come from outside the Quantum Field/Astral Plane.

[lookbeyond]

In my experience, prayer can result in accessability to other frequency bands.I have had this happen in my life,it could be called a vision and was a benevolent response-lb

[Beren]

Arthur Clark once stated that any sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from magic.
With that in mind we can see that to us here and now many ET or Extra dimensional stuff is like magic.

But they utilize their knowledge of how electric universe works with plasma fields and usage of light band frequencies which we are still to find out.

I understand observer's concern about entities or spiritual forces. But not all are evil or selfish.

[observer]

My concern, Beren is for the ones with evil intent, because the evidence - from antiquity to the present - indicates those Dark Forces to be in control, here within this particular reality.

Take, for instance, the Holy Bible as a perfect example of what I'm speaking.

Those whom were called the Nazarene Essenes, those from whom the Jesus Story, and Christianity itself emerged, denounced the God of the Old Testament as being "The Devil". Yet, following a period of nearly four hundred years after the alleged Jesus figure walked, the Roman Empire had manipulated the Nazarene Story into a religion that had Jesus as the living incarnate of God-Jehovah, that very god the Nazarenes considered to be the Devil.

The book that was created spawned the Roman Religion known as Catholicism which transformed the Roman Empire into the Holy Roman Empire - one of the darkest forms of Mass Control alive on the planet today. And, all the subsequent Christian Religions that have emerged since the formation of The Holy Roman Empire use a version of the same book.

How many millions of souls have gone to that Jehovah-Heaven where their essence was most likely consumed by this Demiurge? How much human suffering has this single book caused? Yet, a large portion of the Mass of Humanity believes every word within it to be the undisputed "word of God".

This is a textbook example of telepathic manipulation, and should serve as an example of why it is so very important for the Mass of Humanity to understand the mechanics of how the traps work.

[Bo Atkinson]

Observer: One can name the place these energies come from anything one wishes. I would suggest they come from outside the Quantum Field/Astral Plane.

I think that humanity is still sorting out perceptions and comparing incomplete notes, strewn along the time track. This is an accepted form of existence. To exist within a complex network of uncertain agreements, (rules and outcomes of rules). Part of networks is communications with developments of cause and effect. The malevolent among earth's beings do seem to have special advantages over the rest of humanity. Or has some entity cheated along the way?

Why should humanity be cheated for millennia? Why should the fallen angles or what ever the names, have advantages over humanity? Outside of picking just one story line or one cosmology, i found it helpful to consider the game-condition involved. Gaming can become a workable metaphor here. Games with rules and players along a timeline. At some earlier epoch, the psychopaths got on top... A tremendous challenge is thereafter invoked. Will fair play win against foul play? How many centuries does it take?

I agree to feel outraged, except i choose sort of a drawn-out, patient, fair-play method. I use the negative energy transversely, to make it positive. Working through comprehensiveism does appeal much more to me than dirty tricks, politics, obsolescence, etc...

[observer]

In reply to those members who expressed so much opposition to the Holographic Universe Model earlier in this thread, I ask that you listen to the following Kerry Cassidy "Awake and Aware Conference" Video:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3viM4X1HFqw

Note: Please move the timer over to 50:50 to the beginning of where Sean David Morton begins speaking for the relevance of this video to this comment.

I attempted to locate the LA Times article that Sean David Morton is referring to, however, the LA Times website has a pay-as-you-go format. Regardless, if the scientist at CERN are subscribing to a Holographic Universe Model, who among the members have more scientific credentials to reject this Theory - as was the case earlier in this thread.

[Delight]

This is off topic a bit but I watched the whole docu of David Icke at Wembly.
He has a rant in the middle geared towards those who are working in the "system"...such as soldiers, bankers etc.
lately I had my house phone internet turned off as I refuse to work in anything I don't agree in at the moment... I recognize that could change but for now ANYTHING even remotely related to illness I do not support.

This turn off has really worked to my advantage as I come to a local coffee shop and use the internet and then cannot hear the news at all.

I am a very fortunate person at the moment because I was able to sell some property and have a breather. But this does not solve "what to do" in life.
The bias I hold about "what all this is about" gets more pronounced.

I really believe having felt what I call " a Presence" that we are asked to delve ever deeper into our own voice. It seems to me that I am at the moment very supported to drop all the overlay of stuff. But what is necxt is so unknown that without the Presence I feel and the belief that I am being personally assissted to accomplish "?????" I would NOT have the courage to have dropped the details of how I have always "lived" in the system.

This is something I feel VERY strongly about... that there is a larger net holding me. I actually believe today that THIS is the "UNHACKED" hologram that Divine created to experience trust and cooperation as equals for Lovers to grow. maggie

[observer]

For further evidence from a stellar researcher in the field of hyperdimensional manipulation of reality, David Icke, please review what he says in the following video regarding the nature of an Holographic Universe:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=e2pG7iPZOvE

(Please move the timer over to the 20 minute; 30 second mark for the relevance of David's remarks.)

The fact of the mater is, I could find a plethora of scientist and researchers who subscribe to the holographic Universe Model. Any attempt to minimize the evidence available for this Quantum Theory is nothing more than an attempt to derail the intentions of this thread.

The evidence is out there, nit-picking individual presentations is not productive to an over-all understanding of the concept.

[observer]

Posted by chocolate (here)

Posted by observer (here)
My sole purpose for posting on this website is to show the evidence that this particular reality is a feeding operation for a race of hyperdimensional entities.

With every comment I make, I attempt to show the evidence of such.

This information that Bill has released, goes further to document what I suggest is an hyper-dimensional farming operation.

It has been going-on since the Dawn of Man. As soon as Humanity begins to figure it all out, the entire operation is 'plowed-under' and begun again.

They are very clever at what they do....

I have to politely! note that I personally completely disagree with this statement, but since words tend to be observed! depending on a subjective! reality, I will keep them to myself. For further explanation I can point to an 11 page thread where I found almost 0 proof that this statement is correct. And I will not go into further argument or debate on the matter. If anyone is interested in instating fear or demagogy, that should be kept as a side note, not a full-on statement.
[....snip]

The above comments appeared in another thread, and I am bringing this discussion here into this "What Controls the Hologram" Thread where it belongs.

Many of the members see this focus on Hyperdimensional Reptoid Entities as some sort of fear campaign. The idea has been expressed to me in many comments on other threads, that we should focus on the Human Aspect of the Control Mechanism and stop dwelling on hyperdimensional reptiles.

Over two thousand years ago a group of Gnostics known as the Nazarenes collected, and eventually buried in the desert of Egypt, a library of codices and gospels. These were the documents that were deemed heretical by the Roman Empire (Catholic) Church. They told of entities that existed in the spirit world that they called Archons.

These concepts were eradicated from history and wiped from the Consciousness of Humanity.

In contemporary understanding, the "spirit world" can be described as nothing more than an hyperdimensional level of existence.

Within the understanding of those earliest Gnostic Christian there were two forms of Archons.

• One form appeared much like an embryo infant.
• The other took the form of a reptile.

In our understanding today, most of us are aware of what are known as the Greys, and the Reptilian Aliens.

It has also been suggested by many researchers that several species of Grey Aliens are biological robots working for the Reptoids.

Using terminology consistent with contemporary understanding is what I focus upon in my comments. Drawing attention to the hyperdimensional aspect of the Control Mechanism is foundational to putting an end to it. Taking the focus off the hyperdimensional aspect and applying that focus only on the human aspect, i.e. the global elite, will only further the protection of the source problem.

Nowhere are my comments intended to induce fear, or appear hostile. Fear is the result of a lack of understanding.

After spending my entire adult life researching the metaphysical aspects of human history, I have come to the conclusion this particular reality is a feeding operation. This conclusion did not come to me in the spur of the moment. It was the result of a careful consideration of many abstract trails of evidence - a connecting of the dots to construct a much bigger picture.

This is my own personal conclusion. I don't expect many to subscribe to what I have reported. I make the report so that some among us can see and understand what and how our eternal souls are imprisons within the matrix of this particular reality.

Any member of this website is free to disagree with this conclusion. Characterizing my comments as "fear-mongering", or "hostile" does not benefit the spirit of understanding in which these comments are intended.

For the few members who are inclined to follow the links offered as evidence and do the research on their own, I offer the following two videos as further evidence to a control mechanism operation behind the smoke-and-mirrors of this holographic reality:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I2gho7rIIC4

If you haven't the patience to listen to the entire video, I ask you at least listen to the first 18 minutes.

And for further vindication for what I said in the other thread regarding 'soul harvesting', I ask you to listen to this older John Lear/Art Bell interview:

https://archive.org/details/ArtBell-...ar-Revelations

The discussions regarding the real purpose of the Moon begin around the 19 minute mark.
Please pay particular attention to what John says at the 33 min; 30 sec. mark.

It should be understood, that what John refers to as an "experiment" in this interview could also be considered a farming operation when one includes the contemporary understanding of how our energies are being harvested.

It's all a matter of looking at all the available evidence.

[chocolate]

The 'hostile' comes from the private message that included not only me, but also other members and also moderators.

For the rest I will keep my opinion to myself.
I feel a bit embarrassed even to think about the way your message was structured, considering all allusions.

Edited to add:
Some of us do read lots of threads, with lots of information, but at a point one must be careful where one puts which comments.

Don't misunderstand me, I read your entire thread before mentioning it, and also the thread Bill started about Mary Magdalene, and the one Houman started about the Archons/Horus Ra. Not to mention everything Truman Cash has written and said.

This is going to be my one and only post in your thread, and I ask for forgiveness for the personal component. Patience is a virtue, sometimes, I know.

[observer]

Let's stop beating around the bush chocolate.

Here is the private message I sent to you, for everyone to read:

Blessings Chocolate,

I'm answering your comment here in Private Message, because I won't dignify what you said on the public forum.

First, allow me to address an issue raised by ulli in another thread.

For anyone concerned, I have been directing this issue to every administration team all the way back to Richard and Celine. From every MOD that was ever addressed, the best response I ever got was from Fredkc. Many others, including Ilie, Paul, have heard my complaint - nothing has ever been done.

This is the problem, I work a full-time job. It takes many hours of research to put each of the comments I make together - complete with references. The work of many members, doing serious research, is being driven right off the Main Board with trivia and drivel - endless comments of no probative value.

I have suggested to the Administration, in the past, that a separate board should be used for Social Networking. Chat Room-Like Chatter, and Social Networking should have a separate room on a website about "Blending Science and Spirituality". That mandate reads to me as a place to gather evidence.

With regard to what you said about "an 11 page thread where I found almost 0 proof", allow me to suggest that you follow some of the links found on that particular thread. I might also add, both Amzer Zo, and Paul did everything they possibly could to derail the direction of that thread. I finally gave-up because of lack of interest.

Most of the members seem interested only in Social Networking, few really want to do any serious research.

Just in the event I am wrong, and you, or any of your Social Networking Friends are actually interested in finding real evidence, perhaps you would like to visit this Thread and spend some quality time getting to the foundations of this particular reality.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post797931

Wishing you Love.... for Eternity.... observer

P.S. Feel free to share this Private Message with any member you might care to.

Please, show me where in the text of that message that I was "hostile".

And, please, any MOD or other concerned individual that may have found that private message "hostile", show me where.

***add text***
It is cross linked in Bill's thread, chocolate. (see chocolate's comment below)
I took it out of that thread because it was off-topic to that thread. Your original comment was about this "What Controls The Hologram"
Thread. That's why your comment was addressed here.

[chocolate]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/60lqyvqteb...2023.15.03.png this is a screen grab I just made.
I will not turn this into a private discussion.
If anyone wants to spend time reading and thinking about it it is fine by me.
I am okay with the situation, but I will not comment much further.
I actually found this message as the biggest unpleasant surprise during my whole stay on the forum, all things considered, especially the love part of the bottom compared with the main issue outlined in the text.

And I just wondered, how is this relevant to what you are discussing here? Because if that is a way to start a conversation on the main subject of the thread, that is one strange approach, especially when it comes to me as a person.

My comment belongs in Bill's thread, and if you read it carefully pared to Bill's initial post, you will see why it belongs there. Here it is just a way to start a conversation.

Cheers.

[observer]

I'm bumping the last part of comment #210 because some very relevant evidence is contained within that comment. It was stepped on by some irrelevant off topic comments that need no further attention.

Posted by observer (here)
[....snip]

For the few members who are inclined to follow the links offered as evidence and do the research on their own, I offer the following two videos as further evidence to a control mechanism operation behind the smoke-and-mirrors of this holographic reality:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I2gho7rIIC4

If you haven't the patience to listen to the entire video, I ask you at least listen to the first 18 minutes.

And for further vindication for what I said in the other thread regarding 'soul harvesting', I ask you to listen to this older John Lear/Art Bell interview:

https://archive.org/details/ArtBell-...ar-Revelations

The discussions regarding the real purpose of the Moon begin around the 19 minute mark.
Please pay particular attention to what John says at the 33 min; 30 sec. mark.

It should be understood, that what John refers to as an "experiment" in this interview could also be considered a farming operation when one includes the contemporary understanding of how our energies are being harvested.

It's all a matter of looking at all the available evidence.

[giovonni]

Greetings ...

Note this is not meant as an intrusion or intervention , but a friendly and neutral sharing of opinion ..

Observer ~ your work and contributions here have not gone unnoticed nor unappreciated. i agree some threads are much more important in content than others. i personally would like to see this considered by the administration more often ... Say by such items (topic threads) added to the Priority Thread column section. i would hope some kind of review team could be implemented (considered) for such possibilities with member suggestions and feedback considered.

Chocolate ~ You and Observer are both intuitive sensitive types... But with no doubt you both (currently) seem to be mirroring each other... Who knows really why ... it is what it is ... neither good or bad ... Being a sensitive type myself, i can relate to all this and just suggest let it go.

i would hope there will always be interest in both the serious research and the social here on the forum ... For it goes hand and hand ~ perhaps as you both should consider doing in this matter.

Love to you Both !

[heyokah]

Posted by observer (here)
snip

And for further vindication for what I said in the other thread regarding 'soul harvesting', I ask you to listen to this older John Lear/Art Bell interview:

https://archive.org/details/ArtBell-...ar-Revelations

The discussions regarding the real purpose of the Moon begin around the 19 minute mark.
Please pay particular attention to what John says at the 33 min; 30 sec. mark.

It should be understood, that what John refers to as an "experiment" in this interview could also be considered a farming operation when one includes the contemporary understanding of how our energies are being harvested.

It's all a matter of looking at all the available evidence.

Thank you observer. This is a very interesting interview.

Here are the comments from John Lear. He was talking with Art Bell.


* Mankind is an alien controlled experiment. All religions were created by the aliens to give us a set of rules and regulations to live by so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves.

* The secret government knows about this experiment but is hiding it from us.

* This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.

* If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.

* When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.

* Increase in homosexuality is caused by the cube placing male souls in female bodies and vice versa. This is either by design or there is a fault with the cube.

* Mariners are called 'lost souls' because if you die underwater the aliens can't retrieve the soul through water of any depth.

* There are 38 levels above top secret. The top level is Majestic 12. The US President does not hold the highest level of secrecy.

* Our Moon was towed here and placed in orbit around the Earth by a very large machine. There was a time in the recorded history of man when the Earth had no Moon, and also a time when the Earth had two Moons.

* The Moon has an atmosphere which contains clouds.

* The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.

* The US will not go back to the Moon. Any other country trying to get to the Moon will fail.

* US astronauts went to the Moon, saw all the alien machinery and structures and were told to keep silent about it by NASA.

* Some of the film footage of the Apollo Moon landings were faked.

* John Lear disagrees with Richard C. Hoagland's idea that some secret group is tampering with signals to the Mars rovers. He says it is NASA itself that is doing the tampering.

* NASA knows that Venus is a normal planet just like Earth. Venus has beings that are similar to us.

* We already have bases on the Moon and Mars but for anyone to go there it is a one way trip because they can't risk anyone coming back and revealing this information.

* NASA knows there are spaceships in the rings of Saturn.

* If mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment it will be cancelled and started all over again. A sort of cleansing that happens on Earth every 25,000 years.

* There are two forms of gravity. Gravity A works on an atomic scale. Gravity B is the type that holds us on the Earth and holds the Earth in orbit around the Sun.

* Gravity is instantaneous. We use a gravity phone to talk to the grey aliens who live 1,000 light years away.

* Over 1,500 alien abductions occur each day in the US.

* The Yellow Book is a government record of all alien crash retrievals.


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/tru.../johnlear.html

[Finefeather]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Here are the comments from John Lear. He was talking with Art Bell.


* Mankind is an alien controlled experiment. All religions were created by the aliens to give us a set of rules and regulations to live by so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves.

* The secret government knows about this experiment but is hiding it from us.

* This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.

* If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.

* When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.

* Increase in homosexuality is caused by the cube placing male souls in female bodies and vice versa. This is either by design or there is a fault with the cube.

* Mariners are called 'lost souls' because if you die underwater the aliens can't retrieve the soul through water of any depth.

* There are 38 levels above top secret. The top level is Majestic 12. The US President does not hold the highest level of secrecy.

* Our Moon was towed here and placed in orbit around the Earth by a very large machine. There was a time in the recorded history of man when the Earth had no Moon, and also a time when the Earth had two Moons.

* The Moon has an atmosphere which contains clouds.

* The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.

* The US will not go back to the Moon. Any other country trying to get to the Moon will fail.

* US astronauts went to the Moon, saw all the alien machinery and structures and were told to keep silent about it by NASA.

* Some of the film footage of the Apollo Moon landings were faked.

* John Lear disagrees with Richard C. Hoagland's idea that some secret group is tampering with signals to the Mars rovers. He says it is NASA itself that is doing the tampering.

* NASA knows that Venus is a normal planet just like Earth. Venus has beings that are similar to us.

* We already have bases on the Moon and Mars but for anyone to go there it is a one way trip because they can't risk anyone coming back and revealing this information.

* NASA knows there are spaceships in the rings of Saturn.

* If mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment it will be cancelled and started all over again. A sort of cleansing that happens on Earth every 25,000 years.

* There are two forms of gravity. Gravity A works on an atomic scale. Gravity B is the type that holds us on the Earth and holds the Earth in orbit around the Sun.

* Gravity is instantaneous. We use a gravity phone to talk to the grey aliens who live 1,000 light years away.

* Over 1,500 alien abductions occur each day in the US.

* The Yellow Book is a government record of all alien crash retrievals.


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/tru.../johnlear.html

Well thank you heyokah for the summary...I would certainly not be able to listen to all this non sense myself.

Anyone who believes that these are all true statements deserves to be controlled by whoever they think controls us.

John Lear states...according to your summary...for example, that "The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial."
Well news for him...it does rotate...http://www.universetoday.com/19699/d...e-moon-rotate/
I am surprised he cannot even get that right...all alternate thinkers should know this...so IMO, with a few exceptions, most of his statements are very suspect.

And then these are almost laughable...

* This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.

* If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.

* When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.

What a great pity we have to be subjected to such utter rubbish by people whom many think are the 'knowers' of things they just have no idea about.

[Finefeather]

Then we have to listen to poor old David Ike who is such a confused man IMO.
I happen to be very fond of him for his work in exposing works of conspiracy and corruption but he should stick to that and leave the higher realm out of his ramblings.

We are as a result convinced that the earth and it's inhabitants are just a hologram controlled by some evil aliens with a great big play station in their backyard.
The only resemblance that there is to life and a hologram, is that it is all energy and nothing is solid...but that is where it ends.
Every objective manifestation in the Cosmos is caused by monads...from inside...in various states of consciousness...there is no projection of manifestation as ignorant 'hologram theorists' claim.

Then we have the John Lear story about souls been collected and captured...true non sense...
When we die we don't go anywhere we just, discard the body, like a moth, and change our view from physical to a higher level depending on our state of consciousness.

Here is a very good video I saw recently from the Monroe Institute and...dear observer...this is very credible institute, who's current head was once in charge of remote viewing for the US Government.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3IT3f2p5YA0

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6EpGCy1z8R0

[Agape]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6EpGCy1z8R0

Very 'neat' Finefeather , thanks for posting the above .

I can only confirm what he says from my own experience , especially the one in Bodhgaya 2002 that I did not judge as NDE ( though after 4 hours spent out of this human continuum it was probably somewhere near to it ) but on coming back to this human side of existence, I saw exactly how relative ( in true sense of physics ) is what it /we experience here . Whatever impression and experience we seem to have of this human space and time .. was a snap of events that all fulfilled some kind of rather singular mission and it's not quite easy to pinpoint the target/s of the mission,
it could well be ..'saving that stray dog on corner which in turn helps to save human civilisation',

because from the broader perspective , the broader and much more substantial and physically encompassing reality of who we are, the intelligence of our actions here is justified in different way than what it seems to be from within ( the human sense of perception ).
All I saw as 'this human experience' was like a very fast dream, very little of it felt 'mine truly' , more like a roller coaster ride with most events being totally insignificant yet , there was a distinct meaning to our 'presence' here , as total, as intervention to this particular human sub-reality .

Whatever is beyond that and where we come from and where we wake up 'after' is actually much more important .


But that's again... talking from the other side of stream ...not

[Flash]

Your talking about a "god" of the alternative media in John Lear here Finefeather. To me, it is fine that you give us your views of his speech, it is needed. I always thought that this one in particular was spreading some false information, even if other info correlated with other researchers.. However, do expect some quite drastic answers from some members.

And as you say, and also David Icke says, there has been so much corruption all over and false information given that we do not know whom we can trust anymore. And much info was given in good conscience by those misleading unwillingly, having themselves been lead in the wrong direction. I am myself inclined into these scientific or semi-scientific looks at the world and it is at times spooky if we want a good story. A whole cosmogony of beings interacting in weird ways lol.

Also, whatever is brought in about aliens is always Under a mind that is the actual human consciousness, interpreted with it. So yes, we may be misled by whom we are at the present moment as well.

You do present us a spiritual evolution point of view, which is great and needed to keep a balance and thanks for that Ray.

Here is a very good video I saw recently from the Monroe Institute and...dear observer...this is very credible institute, who's current head was once in charge of remote viewing for the US Government.

In the alternative conspiracy media/forums, the fact that the head of the Monroe Institute has a head who was working for the US Government will make him suspicious because he was working for the secretive groups of the government. This is catch 22 Ray, doom if you do, doom if you don't. lol