Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
Could this be the same guy?????????????? It is all getting very confusing......

No, it isn't the same guy. This has been covered a few times already in various threads.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post662902

[jackovesk]

Posted by witchy1 (here)
I am not saying noone got hurt. But there is something very wrong with all this.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CBqhfRY99OE

Watch the cowboy and the guy in the jeans and the hoodie in the different pics among other things. Amazing how the injured move around and change so much isn't it? Why did they have a fence and metal staging set up against the road with signage covering it? Between that and the flags, how could anyone standing in that zone even see anything? Or was it meant for people not to see them?

As for the bloodless double amputee, it is faked and clearly someone faked it for a reason. I have tracked and tracked him...he is not on any video - he just appears in photos.
Attachment 21183

This is not real.

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Very weird indeed, witchy1.

I´m not a physician, but that blood looks too red, almost like paint. Even if it is arterial blood, I believe it would get mixed up with vein blood; Not sure if it would look that red.

Anyway, how about this guy, with his clothes all torn? Who is he, Hulk? I mean, his clothes are all tattered but his skin is completely intact? No blood? It doesn´t seem possible to me.



Raf.

I have 'Identified' the fella who obviously is an amputee...

Attachment 21183

Here he is...



The next bloke's 'SHIRT' just cracks me up...



PS - No disrespect to the people that really got injured...

[ljwheat]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Very weird indeed, witchy1.

I´m not a physician, but that blood looks too red, almost like paint. Even if it is arterial blood, I believe it would get mixed up with vein blood; Not sure if it would look that red.

Anyway, how about this guy, with his clothes all torn? Who is he, Hulk? I mean, his clothes are all tattered but his skin is completely intact? No blood? It doesn´t seem possible to me.



Raf.

If you have ever fallen down as a child, you know what happens to your unprotected hands, the same would not happen if you were warring gloves.

Witch proves fabric of any kind is much stronger than skin.

I agree this is a actor posing for the camera, the soft flesh beneath blue jeans should have been ripped away as its not as strong as the tougher fabric and the one button holding the shirt together with that kind of force would have ripped the guy in half. I’ve seen guy’s in Viet Nahm that were near explosions greater than this one blood soaked cloths but under the clothes the flesh was smashed and torn, with out the shredded cloth, depicted here.

Your smoking gun is truly this character, any one in forensics seeing this photo would conclude the same. The flesh should been hanging off his bones like his cloths. What a stupid, stupid mistake on who ever choreographed this play.

All so a bloody nose, and ears -- as membranes in the nose and ears would have ruptured -- not a drop ??????

[RMorgan]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

If you have ever fallen down as a child, you know what happens to your unprotected hands, the same would not happen if you were warring gloves.

Witch proves fabric of any kind is much stronger than skin.

I agree this is a actor posing for the camera, the soft flesh beneath blue jeans should have been ripped away as its not as strong as the tougher fabric and the one button holding the shirt together with that kind of force would have ripped the guy in half. I’ve seen guy’s in Viet Nahm that were near explosions greater than this one blood soaked cloths but under the clothes the flesh was smashed and torn, with out the shredded cloth, depicted here.

Your smoking gun is truly this character, any one in forensics seeing this photo would conclude the same. The flesh should been hanging off his bones like his cloths. What a stupid, stupid mistake on who ever choreographed this play.

I agree mate.

I mean no disrespect for the real victims; I know some real people got really injured, however, I tend to believe that there were also actors involved.

In the case of this guy, his torn clothes look too scenic, like someone cut them with scissors or something like that. Man, it´s just not possible that his clothes are so messed up but he isn´t even bleeding.

I mean, look at his legs. How come his jeans are so messed up but his legs show just some insignificant scratches? How about his shirt? Looks like Wolverine himself attacked him, but there´s no blood at all.

If this man was so close to a frag bomb to the point of getting his cloth blown up, he would be also covered with blood, probably even dead. Things just don´t add up in this case.

Either this guy is beyond probabilities lucky or he is an actor.

Raf.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Standing right next to a blast will blow off limbs. If a person is just outside that area, the shockwave of air from the blast is enough to blow off clothes.

The shockwaves from blasts have been known is some cases to leave people naked, disoriented, and with their ears ringing. Yet, they come out with only a few scrapes.

The shockwave is a blast of air. It can tear clothes just like in the picture above.

Try tearing a dress shirt like that horizontally. It's much easier for the shirt to rip in vertical lines, just like in the picture.

Don't become desensitized. In a movie set, the crew will cut the shirt and rip the pants to make them look like the clothes in the above photo because they want it to look realistic. I mean, I don't know what else to say.

[ljwheat]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Standing right next to a blast will blow off limbs. If a person is just outside that area, the shockwave of air from the blast is enough to blow off clothes.

The shockwaves from blasts have been known is some cases to leave people naked, disoriented, and with their ears ringing. Yet, they come out with only a few scrapes.

The shockwave is a blast of air. It can tear clothes just like in the picture above.

Try tearing a dress shirt like that horizontally. It's much easier for the shirt to rip in vertical lines, just like in the picture.

Don't become desensitized.

I am a Veit Nahm war vet, what makes you such a expert on explosions and how cloths are ripped. I am first person seen with my own eye what happens, I was there in the middle of it. First hand. Why are you so bent on convincing people this is not so? You will never erase my memory of actual events that happened to me over 50 years ago, yet you seem to have allot of evidence but no proof of what you say? And why are you so eager to defend this actor.?

[RMorgan]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Standing right next to a blast will blow off limbs. If a person is just outside that area, the shockwave of air from the blast is enough to blow off clothes.

The shockwaves from blasts have been known is some cases to leave people naked, disoriented, and with their ears ringing. Yet, they come out with only a few scrapes.

The shockwave is a blast of air. It can tear clothes just like in the picture above.

Try tearing a dress shirt like that horizontally. It's much easier for the shirt to rip in vertical lines, just like in the picture.

Don't become desensitized.

This could be the case Vivek, but in my opinion it´s very unlikely.

The bombs themselves were not that strong; What really hurt people was the nails and bearings.

Besides, browsing the other pictures, there aren´t other people with clothes so messed up like him.

As I said before, either he was extremely lucky to be that close to the explosion to the point of getting his clothes torn apart but without getting hurt or something doesn´t add up.

Don´t get me wrong; I know there are really crazy people out there that enjoy killing people, but after Sandy Hook, I also know that the USA has no limits on staging "terrorist" events, including the use of actors.

My heart goes to the real victims, but something doesn´t smells right in my opinion.

[Hervé]

Another guy running away with pants shredded to bits:

[Jeffrey]

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Standing right next to a blast will blow off limbs. If a person is just outside that area, the shockwave of air from the blast is enough to blow off clothes.

The shockwaves from blasts have been known is some cases to leave people naked, disoriented, and with their ears ringing. Yet, they come out with only a few scrapes.

The shockwave is a blast of air. It can tear clothes just like in the picture above.

Try tearing a dress shirt like that horizontally. It's much easier for the shirt to rip in vertical lines, just like in the picture.

Don't become desensitized.

I am a Veit Nahm war vet, what makes you such a expert on explosions and how cloths are ripped. I am first person seen with my own eye what happens, I was there in the middle of it. First hand. Why are you so bent on convincing people this is not so? You will never erase my memory of actual events that happened to me over 50 years ago, yet you seem to have allot of evidence but no proof of what you say? And why are you so eager to defend this actor.?

No disrespect to you, but just because you are a war vet doesn't give you the credentials to say this is a staged photo. I'm not undermining the validity of your military service, but it doesn't make you an expert on explosions, it gives you experience with them. I may have seen dozens of movies, but that doesn't make me a renown film critic.

I'm not an expert on explosions. I don't have to be an "expert" to collect information and apply critical thought.



It's likely that the shrapnel didn't disperse uniformly. The bomb was made out of a pressure cooker, so the lid was probably the weakest point. It's not outside the realm of logical thought to think that this man's clothes were torn by a proximal pressure wave of air. That's all I'm saying.

There are more important things to focus on instead of going back and forth about this photo. There was a lot of bogus speculation going around on Youtube and Facebook surrounding Sandy Hook. This information spread like wild fire and it seems that it was being supported by popular opinion rather than critical thought. There were viable inconsistencies with Sandy Hook; fair questions that demanded attention, but they became drowned out by the uproar of all the crap being shoveled back and forth.

The same thing is starting to take place here. I'm trying to curb it by pointing out the other side of the facts that people chose to ignore because they'd rather believe something else.

There are more important aspects to this fiasco than trying to debunk this photo. Also, trying to discredit Jeff Bauman is really getting to be sad. The information is out there, the judgement and critical thinking is what's missing. Give it a rest with the actor theory.

It's looking like this could be a false flag, or the authorities had prior knowledge of a bomb threat and they failed to recognize it.

What I'm waiting on is to see how the current administration is going to handle this. How they'll use this crisis.

I mean, what about the Saudi national that got deported? What about some media outlets ever so slightly implying that it was a home grown right winger or that the bomb used gunpowder? Are they going to try and diminish our capacity to produce homemade ammunition? What about all the Craft guys that where there at the marathon? Why was the press conference abruptly cancelled? What about the same day "indictment" of Clinton, Cheney, Bush, and Obama (et al) for war crimes?

These are important questions to me. By all means though, focus on the picture. It's not going to bring down the house. Even if it was faked, which I don't think it is, it's not going to affect anything by trying to prove it's falseness. Namely, because the argument doesn't hold any water -- it's full of holes (if I was on a jury and this photo was presented as a piece of evidence, I wouldn't be convinced).

I think there's more important things to concentrate on.

[ljwheat]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Another guy running away with pants shredded to bits:

Looking at this shot notice the window its shot threw is bullet proof? And the street lamp next to the blast is not broken and in all the video’s no one has bloody noses or bloody ears first singe of being close to that kind of blast yet window are not shattered across the street. A military simulator artillery round is my first guess. And what was shown on tv pressure cooker? Is a plant. Too.

[Eram]

If you look at this youtube, it seems clear to me that a real bomb went of.
Look at the fierce shock wave hitting the flags...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-xiXroQp8t4

RMorgan, the picture that you posted of hulk man with shredded clothes... Where did you find it?

Could it be possible that this was an actor in service of the soon to be held bomb drill?

[RMorgan]

Posted by Eram (here)
If you look at this youtube, it seems clear to me that a real bomb went of.
Look at the fierce shock wave hitting the flags...

RMorgan, the picture that you posted of hulk man with shredded clothes... Where did you find it?

Could it be possible that this was an actor in service of the soon to be held bomb drill?

Well, this picture was all over the news. It´s everywhere on the web.

Anyway, this video proves that the shock wave was not that significant. Sure, it hits the flags, but it doesn´t rip them apart. It didn´t knock people out except for those really close to it. Even the closest glass windows and plastic posters remained intact.

I still think that, for that man to have his clothes so messed up, he must have been close to the explosion, but in this case, he would have been seriously injured.

Of course, maybe he was just tremendously lucky, but something doesn´t add up to me. Call it intuition, or artist´s trained eye, but I think the way his clothes are torn looks pretty scenographic.

[Hervé]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
[...]

Looking at this shot notice the window its shot threw is bullet proof? And the street lamp next to the blast is not broken and in all the video’s no one has bloody noses or bloody ears first singe of being close to that kind of blast yet window are not shattered across the street. A military simulator artillery round is my first guess. And what was shown on tv pressure cooker? Is a plant. Too.

What you do see on that video is broken glass from the street level front store window from which one can deduce the blast as being mostly horizontally directed.

Since the broken glass is on the ground in front of the store, one can also infer that the window didn't break from the first pressure wave but from the vacuum generated back-flow.

Accordingly, it could also be inferred that the pressure-backflow waves didn't reach people's head's height and were restricted close to ground which is corroborated by people being mostly injured in their legs.

The front window of the "All in for Boston" isn't broken most probably because the door was open* nor are any windows above street level broken.

The only evidence for a vertical component to the blast was the pressure-cooker lid found on a nearby hotel rooftop.

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything and so am -- maybe -- more able to analyze the data at their face value.

* From my underground mining experience, all one needs to do to avoid one's eardrum from being shot by a mining blast (that's in a very confined environment) is to keep one's mouth open.

[Eram]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Eram (here)
If you look at this youtube, it seems clear to me that a real bomb went of.
Look at the fierce shock wave hitting the flags...

RMorgan, the picture that you posted of hulk man with shredded clothes... Where did you find it?

Could it be possible that this was an actor in service of the soon to be held bomb drill?

Well, this picture was all over the news. It´s everywhere on the web.

Anyway, this video proves that the shock wave was not that significant. Sure, it hits the flags, but it doesn´t rip them apart. It didn´t knock people out except for those really close to it. Even the closest glass windows and plastic posters remained intact.

I still think that, for that man to have his clothes so messed up, he must have been close to the explosion, but in this case, he would have been seriously injured.

Of course, maybe he was just tremendously lucky, but something doesn´t add up to me. Call it intuition, or artist´s trained eye, but I think the way his clothes are torn looks pretty scenographic.

Apparently, I don't understand exactly what the discussion is about then.
I thought it was about the possibilities of it being fake (the bombing that is)....

That's what you get when trying to mingle in a discussion that you haven't read thoroughly apologies.


About the shredded clothes of that man... Clearly he wasn't anywhere near the blast.
I just wonder if it is established whether or not it is an actor for the bomb drill that was planned.

[humanalien]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by ljwheat (here)

Standing right next to a blast will blow off limbs. If a person is just outside that area, the shockwave of air from the blast is enough to blow off clothes.

The shockwaves from blasts have been known is some cases to leave people naked, disoriented, and with their ears ringing. Yet, they come out with only a few scrapes.

The shockwave is a blast of air. It can tear clothes just like in the picture above.

Try tearing a dress shirt like that horizontally. It's much easier for the shirt to rip in vertical lines, just like in the picture.

Don't become desensitized.

I am a Veit Nahm war vet, what makes you such a expert on explosions and how cloths are ripped. I am first person seen with my own eye what happens, I was there in the middle of it. First hand. Why are you so bent on convincing people this is not so? You will never erase my memory of actual events that happened to me over 50 years ago, yet you seem to have allot of evidence but no proof of what you say? And why are you so eager to defend this actor.?

No disrespect to you, but just because you are a war vet doesn't give you the credentials to say this is a staged photo. It doesn't make you an expert on explosions, it gives you experience with them. I may have seen dozens of movies, but that doesn't make me a renown film critic.

I'm not an expert on explosions. I don't have to be an "expert" to collect information and apply critical thought.



It's likely that the shrapnel didn't disperse uniformly. The bomb was made out of a pressure cooker, so the lid was probably the weakest point. It's not outside the realm of logical thought to think that this man's clothes were torn by a pressure wave of air. That's all I'm saying.

There are more important things to focus on instead of going back and forth about this photo. There was a lot of bogus speculation going around on Youtube and Facebook surrounding Sandy Hook. This information spread like wild fire and it seems that it was being supported by popular opinion rather than critical thought. There were viable inconsistencies with Sandy Hook; fair questions that demanded attention, but they became drowned out by the uproar of all the crap being shoveled back and forth.

The same thing is starting to take place here. I'm trying to curb it by pointing out the other side of the facts that people chose to ignore because they'd rather believe something else.

There are more important aspects to this fiasco than trying to debunk this photo. Also, trying to discredit Jeff Bauman is really getting to be sad. The information is out there, the judgement and critical thinking is what's missing. Give it a rest with the actor theory.

It's looking like this could be a false flag, or the authorities had prior knowledge of a bomb threat and they failed to recognize it.

What I'm waiting on is to see how the current administration is going to handle this. How they'll use this crisis.

I mean what about the Saudi national that got deported? What about some media outlets ever so slightly implying that it was a home grown right winger or that the bomb used gunpowder? Are they going to try and diminish our capacity to produce homemade ammunition? What about all the Seals that where there at the marathon? Why was the press conference abruptly cancelled? What about the same day indictment of Clinton, Cheney, Bush, and Obama for war crimes?

These are important questions to me. By all means though, focus on the picture. It's not going to bring down the house. Even if it was faked, which I don't think it is, it's not going to affect anything by trying to prove it's falseness. Namely, because the argument doesn't hold any water ... it's full of holes. There's more important things to concentrate on.

Not to change the subject but could you point me to a link about this?

[xxxcjbcxxx]

Hey guys, I found a really good video on what may be going on with the whole Boston incident.

This man has a very interesting perspective on the matter.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWUB4MCLsHg

[jagman]

Saudi National at the scene of the bombing is being deported. Isn't that convenient. Big Sis Janet say's I will tell you what truth to believe.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p3l8xOAlcFA

[Jeffrey]

Posted by humanalien (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
What about the same day indictment of Clinton, Cheney, Bush, and Obama for war crimes?

Not to change the subject but could you point me to a link about this?

Sure thing.

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U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes

[...]

The use of torture, the report concludes, has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” The task force found “no firm or persuasive evidence” that these interrogation methods produced valuable information that could not have been obtained by other means. While “a person subjected to torture might well divulge useful information,” much of the information obtained by force was not reliable, the report says.

Interrogation and abuse at the C.I.A.’s so-called black sites, the Guantánamo Bay prison in Cuba and war-zone detention centers, have been described in considerable detail by the news media and in declassified documents, though the Constitution Project report adds many new details.

It confirms a report by Human Rights Watch that one or more Libyan militants were waterboarded by the C.I.A., challenging the agency’s longtime assertion that only three Al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the near-drowning technique. It includes a detailed account by Albert J. Shimkus Jr., then a Navy captain who ran a hospital for detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison, of his own disillusionment when he discovered what he considered to be the unethical mistreatment of prisoners.

But the report’s main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end.

[...]

While the Constitution Project report covers mainly the Bush years, it is critical of some Obama administration policies, especially what it calls excessive secrecy. It says that keeping the details of rendition and torture from the public “cannot continue to be justified on the basis of national security” and urges the administration to stop citing state secrets to block lawsuits by former detainees.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/wo...nted=all&_r=1&

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Bush-era torture use 'indisputable,' Guantanamo must close, task force finds

An independent task force issued a damning review of Bush-era interrogation practices on Tuesday, saying the highest U.S. officials bore ultimate responsibility for the "indisputable" use of torture, and it urged President Barack Obama to close the Guantanamo detention camp by the end of 2014.

[...]

"It is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture," the 11-member task force, assembled by the nonpartisan Constitution Project think tank, said in their 577-page report.

[...]

The panel, which included leading politicians from both parties, two U.S. retired generals and legal and ethics scholars, spent two years examining the U.S. treatment of suspected militants detained after the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Panel members interviewed former Clinton, Bush and Obama administration officials, military officers and former prisoners, and the investigation looked at U.S. practices at Guantanamo, in Afghanistan and Iraq and at the CIA's former secret prisons overseas.

The task force was chaired by Asa Hutchinson, a Republican former congressman and undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security during the George W. Bush administration, and James Jones, a Democratic former congressman who served as U.S. ambassador to Mexico.

In a finding the panel said was its most notable and was reached "without reservation," the report said, "Torture occurred in many instances and across a wide range of theaters."

[...]

"The nation's highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture," the report said, though it did not name names.

The task force, while concluding that U.S. and international laws were violated, did not recommend legal action against any of those involved but it did press for tighter rules to prevent a recurrence of torture.

Source: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...rce-finds?lite

See also: http://www.policymic.com/articles/36...ld-accountable

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So, it appears they (the nation's highest officials) have been "formally accused" by a congressional committee of bearing some responsibility for carrying out war crimes. Yet, they didn't recommend legal action. Nonetheless, this appears to be an inch closer to a real indictment. Anyways, this story didn't make major headlines. I think it broke on the same day as the bombings. Sort of like 9/11 happened right after the Pentagon misplaced a zillion dollars.

This was brought to my attention by the interview Alex Jones recently did with Dr. Steve Pieczenik.

[TargeT]

Posted by xxxcjbcxxx (here)
Hey guys, I found a really good video on what may be going on with the whole Boston incident.

This man has a very interesting perspective on the matter.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yWUB4MCLsHg

Interesting video... especially comming from a LTC.

[Abhaya]

Well we all need to watch this 5 o'clock, long delayed, press conference closely. God knows they have been going out of their minds trying to come up with a believable excuse for all this suspect back tracking and delaying.

Someone will be going for an Oscar tonight I'm sure.