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    Default Re: Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

    I do not know if this was posted yet or not have not read all posts in this thread... 19 minutes...

    I am agreeing with this man...this is not the original poster and I tried to find the original however have not...If someone else can find it I for one would be grateful... thanks.

    Much love




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    Ok I found it here is Potters youtube upload page with additional videos posted after the above video...

    https://youtube.com/user/roypotterqa/videos?view=0

    Quote About roypotterqa

    I am a former US Army LTC of 28 years. I served in various Military Police and Military Intelligence positions around the globe. I was also a municipal police officer for about 3 years. I bring my unique experience, training, education, and spiritual insights to bear in analyzing important issues and trends in the U.S. and the world.
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    I've been on high alert since the last week of March. Like a dog with his ears pointed up, focused and attentive. Things have been happening in rapid succession lately. A lot of stuff is going on right now. You know how long it takes for water to boil? You fill the pot up with water and heat it up. It takes a while for it to get hot enough to start showing little bubbles around the edge and on the bottom of the pot. Then after a certain threshold of temperature is reached, it begins to boil. It seems sudden, proportional to the time it took to heat up.

    I see the situations that have taken place within the last 12 months as that period of getting hotter, approaching the threshold. It's heating up -- seriously. The pot was filled up in 2001. This year we may reach that threshold of temperature.

    The Economy
    1. Cyprus. Similar bail-in mechanisms have been found in FDIC/Bank of England resolutions (and in other big countries).

    2. Japan enacted massive QE measures. The proportions of which make Ben Bernanke look like a school girl. Overt currency wars are a likely outcome if they continue devaluing the yen.

    3. The recent big dip in the metals market. Actually, it was the biggest percentage dip in 33 years. There is all kinds of buzz going around in the blogosphere surrounding this. Many see it as an omen -- precursory to a big default somewhere.
    LBMA Default Triggered Gold & Silver Takedown

    COMEX default

    Gold's VIX Term Structure 'Most Inverted' Since Lehman

    JPM silver and gold manipulation (Fed "funded" naked shorts using JPM as a proxy)
    4. The illusion of economic recovery may fall apart very soon.
    More Evidence That The Economic Peak Is In
    A Scary 'Head-And-Shoulders' Pattern Is Quickly Developing In The Stock Market
    5. The BRICS nations have been preparing for an global economic shift.

    The Warfronts
    1. The tensions surrounding North Korea are still very high. The US has offered diplomatic talks only if the DPRK agrees to denuclearize before hand -- they have refuted the offer and demanded that they will only negotiate if the UN sanctions are taken away. Japan has recently proposed military agreements with South Korea.

    2. It is increasingly likely that Israel will strike Iran's nuclear facilities. There were rumors that Obama gave Israel the "green light" to act. Just recently, this rumored agreement has effectively been put on paper.
    U.S. Will Go to War With Iran if Israel Does

    Israeli Officials Stress Readiness for Lone Strike on Iran
    3. Syria.
    Step toward possible military intervention in Syria
    The Recent Attacks
    1. The Boston Marathon bombings.

    2. The ricin letters. This one may have just begun according to John McAfee.
    John McAfee Predicts Ricin Attacks
    Gun Legislation
    1. The new gun control amendments failed to pass through the Senate.
    Senate rejects expanded gun background checks
    2. Obama isn't finished with it. Biden has stated that the president will take executive measures.
    Obama lashes out at gun rights supporters after gun control bills fail in Senate

    Obama's United Nations Backdoor to Gun Control

    Biden: 'The President Is Already Lining Up Some Additional Executive Actions' for Guns
    World events, especially in America, are heating up. It looks as if we are approaching a boiling point. It may be next week or next year, but things can't get much hotter before they start to boil. April was predicted to be a bumpy month, and so far it has been very bumpy on all fronts.

    I haven't even linked to the various accounts of the what the DHS has been up to lately. They are definitely preparing for something.

    It feels like we are in the midst of a quickening here.
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    Default Re: Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

    Another piece of analysis that goes along with this post:

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    Accordingly, it could also be inferred that the pressure-backflow waves didn't reach people's head's height and were restricted close to ground which is corroborated by people being mostly injured in their legs.

    [...]
    ... and this one:

    Quote Posted by xxxcjbcxxx (here)
    Hey guys, I found a really good video on what may be going on with the whole Boston incident.

    This man has a very interesting perspective on the matter.


    Is the Boston pressure-cooker bomb a lie and a hoax?
    By Jon Rappoport April 17, 2013
    www.nomorefakenews.com

    When the Trade Center was destroyed on September 11, 2001, I urged readers and researchers to focus on the explosions as the first order of business.


    That was because I had researched and written about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. I and others discovered that the official scenario about the bomb in the Ryder truck, parked at the curb outside the Murrah Federal Building, was grossly incomplete.

    Such a device could not have produced the profile of damage sustained by the building. General Ben Partin and other bomb experts had seen that fact. They’d diagrammed it and explained it.

    The obvious conclusion was: bombs wired into columns of the Murrah Building had done the significant damage.

    So again, in the case of the Boston Marathon bombing, I urge people to examine the explosions closely.

    I have questions. For example, as described in the YouTube video. “Boston Massacre False Flag Terrorism—Pressure Cooker,” Daniel Vincent Kelley points to a few simple facts.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=AE480YxCtbo

    A photo of a mangled pressure cooker, posted by press outlets all over the world, shows the pressure-cooker plug and, near it, one small round hole, machined apparently by the manufacturer. But…no other small holes. I see discolorations but not dozens or hundreds of holes.

    Yet we are told that the Marathon bombs were placed inside pressure cookers and packed with nails and ball bearings. If that were true, the explosions would have created many, many small holes as the inserted shrapnel flew through the cooker and out in every direction.

    In the official press photo, there are no such holes.

    How is that possible?

    In fact, since a large piece of the pressure cooker is missing, it appears that the explosive was a shaped charge of some kind. Part of the cooker is mangled but intact; another part is missing, presumably revealing in which direction the shock wave traveled.

    Charges are shaped when they are put in place, because the maker wants the explosion to be vectored; otherwise, the explosion will exit its confined space spherically, equally, in all directions.

    A shaped charge would strongly suggest a pro at work, not an amateur who built the device in his kitchen. In which case, we would be looking at a whole different scenario.

    This is significant because, for example, media outlets are busy trying to make connections between home-made pressure-cooker bombs and “right-wing extremists.”

    People might reply, “Well, if the pressure cookers show such gaping flaws in the official story, why would the real killers have done such a bad job of covering their tracks? They would be smarter than that.”

    They weren’t smarter in 1995 in Oklahoma City, and they weren’t smarter in New York, in 2001, where it was claimed that both Towers fell because of plane collisions.
    They weren’t smarter in Aurora, either, where two witnesses claimed there were at least two killers inside the theater. Nor were they smarter in Newtown, where so many questions and contradictions remained unanswered.

    If we infer that the Boston pressure-cooker scenario is wrong, it is a very short step to conclude the scenario is a cover story, designed to obscure the truth. In that case, what is the truth? Who was really responsible for the death and destruction on April 15?

    Pros pretending to be amateurs? Pros whose death-dealing work is being concealed by law-enforcement officials, with a concocted version of what happened?

    At this stage of the investigation, and from now on, these questions must be asked seriously and probed seriously, regardless of the official line.

    That’s what I’m doing here. Asking questions. If there is a reasonable explanation for the pressure-cooker contradictions, I want to hear them.

    I’m going to try to get even more specific, to stimulate research. Examine the press photo of the pressure cooker yourself. Does it show a whole cooker, with all parts intact, but bent and distorted, or does it show only part of a cooker, with a major section missing?

    And second, if the bomber packed only one side of the bomb with nails and ball bearings and BBs, could the piece that is missing in the photo have contained all the holes caused by the shrapnel exiting the pressure cooker?

    If we are really looking at the whole cooker, then we should also see many holes. We don’t.

    If we are looking at only part of the cooker, then regardless of whether the bomber packed all the shrapnel to exit through the missing piece, the fact that it’s missing suggests a shaped charge, the work of a pro.

    Either way, somebody is deceiving us.

    Jon Rappoport

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    Default Re: Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

    The "innocent" bystanders:


    Media refuses to acknowledge existence of private military contractors on the scene

    But the real story -- and perhaps the biggest story of all -- has been blown wide open, first by researchers at 4chan.org, and then covered by Anthony Gucciardi, Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones. It reveals that there were private military contractors with backpacks operating at the scene.

    Here's an image of the private military operatives, snapped on the day of the marathon:


    As you can see from the above image, these private military operatives are both wearing the exact same uniforms: tan BDUs, tan military boots, dark jackets, communications gear and black backpacks.

    But what gets really interesting is when you look at the symbols on the hat one of them is wearing:



    This "skull" symbol just happens to be the symbol of a group of military contractors called "The Craft."

    The following picture shows former group member Chris Kyle (who was recently murdered, by the way), sitting with his sniper rifle and wearing the "Craft" hat with the skull symbol:



    But an even better look at the symbol comes from the Craft's own website, where training photos show the symbol with great clarity:



    "The Craft" has a reputation of being something like an "elite Blackwater," and the presence of "Craft" operatives on scene at the Boston marathon bombing is an absolute bombshell of a news story.

    Yet the mainstream media absolutely refuses to mention it at all. Ever wonder why?

    Full article: http://www.naturalnews.com/039961_Bo...ver_story.html

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    And the Red Cross is stated to be a deliberate reference to the Knights Templar.

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    I dont have cable so can't watch the news conference that took place about an hour or so ago......but when I looked on Yahoo.com I saw a bright yellow "breaking news" banner that said FBI Releases Photos of Boston Bomber suspects......which takes me to this link http://news.yahoo.com/photos/suspect...ing-slideshow/ and shows a picture of these two men

    Then as I scroll down the page on Yahoo.com main page I see the following headline

    Teen: I Am Not the Boston Marathon Bomber

    http://gma.yahoo.com/teen-am-not-bos...opstories.html

    The teenage boy authorities once investigated as possibly being connected to the Boston Marathon bombing told ABC News today he was shocked to see his face pop up on television and all over social media.

    Salah Barhoun, 17, said he went to the police yesterday to clear his name after he found himself tagged in pictures online. He had just gone to watch the race, he said, but soon after the explosions, he was singled out by internet sleuths as looking suspicious. Federal authorities passed around images of Barhoun, attempting to learn more information about him, sources told ABC News.

    Today The New York Post ran a story featuring a picture of Barhoun and another man circled in red, but said it was unclear if they were the same as two potential suspects spotted by law enforcement Wednesday.

    PHOTOS: Terror at the Boston Marathon

    When he saw the front page story, with the headline "Bag Men," Barhoun said, "It's the worst feeling that I can possibly feel… I'm only 17."

    ABC News producers found Barhoun through social media and spoke to him today at his home. He said he had actually wanted to run the race and when he couldn't, decided to watch.

    COMPLETE COVERAGE: Terror at the Boston Marathon

    Barhoun's younger brother, who declined to be identified, said that it made his mother "sick and upset" that her son had been connected to the tragedy.

    "It made her think he had done something wrong," the younger brother said. "My brother is not the bomber."

    Federal law enforcement sources told ABC News they are no longer seeking information about Barhoun or the other man in the photo published in the Post.



    How can he have turned himself in yesterday to clear his name and yet they released his picture at the news conference at 5 today?? the same conference where the actually tell people NOT to go to Infowars.com to see the photos they have !!!
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    Default Re: Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

    This is an interesting news report in the light of the possible
    'false flag' being rumbled .......


    Default Re: Boston Bombing Culprits Identified On Film?

    Thanks Kimberly & 161803398 two good vids.....Steve..

    I wonder if they were a mossad team working for TPTB
    and is why the Israeli security chief is coming over to
    'help with the cover up' !!


    They are certainly reaccessing their media strategy !
    CNN & Fox both announced that an arrest had been
    made. Until told to backtrack by their security bosses !



    FBI struggles to identify Boston Marathon bomber








    Published on 18 Apr 2013


    After the Boston Marathon attacks on Monday, the FBI is still on the hunt for the
    suspect or suspects responsible for the gruesome occurrence. Surveillance footage
    has surfaced showing two individuals that may have had something to do with the
    act of terror, but the DHS has shied away from calling the two people wanted for
    questioning "suspects." For the latest on the marathon bombings Anastasia
    Churkina brings us more from Boston.

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    This may have already been posted, but worth another look...

    Proof Boston Marathon Bombing is False Flag Cover-Up
    Prison Planet.com
    April 18, 2013



    Unlike Oklahoma City, the FBI cannot confiscate all of the surveillance, cell phone,
    and thousands of cameras that were at the finish line of Boston Marathon. 4Chan
    posted dozens of photos showing Navy Seal or Private Security personnel carrying
    the same black back packs which are the same style backpacks showed in FBI
    photos. It’s becoming crystal clear. Get these articles and this video out to
    everyone you know.

    Breaking: Police Confirm Infowars Photos of Boston Suspects – http://www.infowars.com/breaking-police-confirm…

    Obama Covering Up Saudi Link to Boston Bombing? – http://www.infowars.com/obama-covering-up…

    Navy SEALs Spotted at Boston Marathon Wearing Suspicious Backpacks? http://www.infowars.com/navy-seals-sp…

    Boston Bombing Culprits Identified? http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombin…

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    I was watching the Factor last night and Bill O and Juliet Huddy were trying to disparage Alex Jones & crew. What caught my attention about this was?
    Bill usually wont discuss Alex! He just has his minions trash Alex. Bill was really trying hard to push he FBI narrative. I think the system starting to crack.

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    American Terror: Manufactured by the FBI



    Published on 17 Apr 2013


    TRANSCRIPT AND SOURCES: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7276

    The Boston Marathon bombing has provoked shock, grief and outrage from around
    the world. After decades of conditioning, the public automatically equates such
    terrorism with Muslim radicals. But the evidence shows that every major terror plot
    on American soil in the past 10 years has been fostered, funded and equipped by
    one organization: the FBI.

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    Dr. Steve Pieczenik: Reason For Boston False Flag

    Apr 18, 2013



    The Reason For The Timing Of The Boston False Flag; Bi-Patrisan-War Crime Actions of Bush, Obama, and Clinton Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity: Part 1:





    The Unintended Consequences of the Boston Massacre: THE SPECIFIC INDICTMENT of Bush Jr/Obama/CIA/US Military “Torture of 9/11 Prisoners” at GITMO—FINALLY CONFIRMED as a “WAR CRIME”— Equivalent to Prosecuted Nazi War Crimes and the Torture/ Internship Of Japanese Americans During WWII.

    Nothing beats a sensational front page news story like a Boston Marathon Massacre! Most readers would miss the incidental but far more serious implication for the moral compass of America than the NY Times story by Scott Shane, entitled, “U.S. Practiced Torture After 9/11, Non Partisan Review Concludes”. (posted earlier)

    In this article, both Asa Hutchinson[Republican/Bush Jr Administration] and James R. Jones [Democrat, Congress] indict the interrogation and tortures committed by Presidents Clinton [Rendition], Bush Jr [full menu of tortures], Obama .



    In essence, this bipartisan report, along with 6,000 pages of still classified docs IMPLICATES THREE ADMINISTRATIONS of INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES—RENDITION, TORTURE, ENHANCEDINTERROGATION.

    What does this mean in the midst of our frenzy to find ‘supposed terrorists’ of the Boston Marathon Massacre?

    It means that, as I have previously repeated time and time again, we have had and still have Presidents who have willingly committed acts of International War Crimes Punishable by Death and / or Life Imprisonment.

    Furthermore, to make matters even worse, the extensive investigations showed that the abominable, criminal activities of interrogation, torture, water boarding committed by the CIA, US military, US mercenaries and sanctioned by three presidents were like the wars themselves- totally useless.

    In short, the USA is GUILTY of COMMITTING USELESS WAR CRIMES!!!

    Have I, an experienced counter –terrorist expert with thirty years experience who had never had to touch even one detainee, let alone torture or ‘interrogate’ anyone, suddenly had a fit of righteous indignation or just decided to vent his RELENTLESS FURY for UNREPENTANT SINS of our THREE PRESIDENTS and their MINIONS?

    The answer lies not in the headlines nor in the hysterical media distractions of a tragic occurrence which I might have been able to predict (I think Patriarch did predict this), had I known beforehand that this report would come out on the same day as the BOSTON MARATHON.

    That’s right! You’ve got it! Once again, Obama in concert with FEMA, CIA, FBI, and other National Security minions—the usual ‘choir boy suspects’—decided to OFFER A DISTRACTION.

    Bloody! Macabre! Inane!! Insensitive!



    But please place this Boston Marathon along side the sacrifices that Bush jr was willing to make in terms of dead American bodies in 9/11—close to 3,000 innocent Americans in the World Trade Center alone. The Boston Marathon Massacre is small potatoes in the theater of distractions for war crimes.

    A decade ago, Bush Jr had no qualms, of course along with his close pal Cheney, of sacrificing a few thousand US military men in the useless Iraq War. Don’t forget the hundreds of thousands of innocent Pakistanis, Yemenis, Afghanis, and Iraqis that Obama, Panetta, Tenet, Hayden, Brennan et al, are willing to sacrifice in the name of ‘terror’ or, excuse me, the ‘war on terror’.

    So what’s a few Americans who were killed and injured in the Marathon Race? Nothing, really, in comparison to the full scope of the extent of the horror that Clinton, Bush jr and Obama collectively had engaged in maiming the innocent; torturing the prisoners; injuring and killing the countless thousands of innocent civilians; destroying societies and countries; and creating world wide MAYHEM and CHAOS—all for the sake of NATIONAL SECURITY??

    Let me be more precise and list some of the issues that are relevant to the ‘torture’, ‘interrogation’ and ‘the legal consequences’ of those actions over a thirty year period since the Clinton Administration.

    But first let’s go back, a bit further to WWII.

    —A Japanese General was summarily executed by the US allies for waterboarding pilots who had been caught in the Jimmy DoLittle Raid on Tokyo.

    — US Army soldiers during the Vietnam War summarily placed in prison for waterboarding Viet Cong prisoners of war.

    —In 1948, Norwegians executed German SS officers practicing ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ called ‘Versharfte Vernehmung’ developed by Gestapo Chief Heinrich Muller, using ‘sleep deprivation’, ‘extreme cold’, ‘suspension in stress positions’ and ‘deliberate exhaustion’.

    —Navy Captain Albert Shimkus Jr, who ran a hospital for the prisoners at Gitmo protested the unethical behavior.

    — Bill Clinton, Sandy Berger approved rendition.

    —Bush jr, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Condi, Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams, Gen. David Petraeus, Jose Rodriguez [head of CIA Covert operations], John Brennan, David Addington [WH staff], all approved the use of severe interrogation methods including hypothermia, waterboarding, stress positions, abdominal beatings, genital torture, and other bodily and psychological harm according to Department of Justice Concurrence of Attorney General John Ashcroft as written in the paper by John Yoo. Also concurring to these aforementioned methods were NSA Director General Michael Hayden, SecState Collin Powell, and DCI George Tenet .

    —The only official to dissent officially and was subsequently reprimanded was Philip Zelikow, PhD who wrote a memo contesting the DOJ’s Torture Memo written by John Yoo and others in “Justice”.

    — Karl Rove told BBC in 2010: ”I’m proud that we kept the world safer than it was, by the use of these techniques. They’re appropriate, they’re in conformity with our international requirements and with US law”.

    —Cheney: ” I was and remain a strong proponent of our enhanced interrogation program.”



    —Congresswoman, later Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi [D, Cal. San Francisco] in a meeting with the CIA/Bush Jr Administration—WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTED ENHANCED INTERROGATION AND TORTURE!

    I am told there are too many words so this is part 1… Otter Walks on Two Feet… 17/04/13

    http://planet.infowars.com/politics/...umanity-part-1

    PS - If you want to Download the (Alex Jones Show) MP3 here it is...

    Complete & Full (Analysis) of the Boston Bombing (False Flag)

    The PTW are in (PANIC) mode...

    The Alex Jones Show -- 2013 Apr 18 TH [1st 4 Hours]

    Quote From the Infowars web site :: On the Thursday, April 18 edition of The Alex Jones Show, Alex lays out the huge victory Infowars had yesterday in identifying several members of the Boston Marathon crowd that looked highly suspicious, even though a supposed arrest had already been made. Quite possibly, Infowars, with help from crowd sourced sites and a treasure trove of independent photos, may have held a huge part in destroying the official narrative the government intended to run with. We'll also examine the explosion at a West Texas fertilizer plant that killed as many as 15 people and injured more than 160.
    http://sebaygo1.blogspot.com.au/2013...-1st.html#more
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    Default Re: Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

    Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

    The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

    It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest. No disrespect to them, Alex has done great work, but let's just take a breath and a step back to analyze some things.

    Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.





    These guys where definitely there. Observing.

    This next one is especially important.



    What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation, like the kind that would emanate from nuclear weapons or a myriad of other types of bombs (unfortunately, not the pressure cooker).





    These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

    Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

    The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

    If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

    They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

    Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.
    This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

    Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

    Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

    That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

    This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

    Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

    The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

    EDIT/ADD:

    Considering the false flag scenario ... The biggest question in my mind is: Why wasn't the event cancelled if the threat was serious enough to require such security measures?

    If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

    It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled, or they are just negligent and made an extremely stupid decision. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to any of these possible cases. All are indeed cover-up worthy.

    An irritated police official/authority had to follow pecking orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were instructed to allow the event to continue.

    That makes the most sense to me considering the information that's available.

    Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

    I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

    Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings. Prior knowledge: negligence, incompetence, complicity? I don't know.

    Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

    In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

    Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent. The former would indicate a false flag and the latter ... somebody could get either indicted, fired, or both.
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    I would tend to agree, partly:

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

    ... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...

    Quote "The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.

    However, this:



    ... would tend to indicate that the "Craft" guys have been conned in their briefing of what was to be expected: they were expecting a dirty bomb... something they thought they could detect beforehand... or may be it's just standard OP?

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

    The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

    It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest.

    Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.





    These guys where definitely there. Observing.

    This next one is especially important.



    What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation emanating from nuclear weapons or other kinds of bombs.





    These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

    Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

    The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

    If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

    They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

    Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.
    This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

    Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

    Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

    That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

    This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

    Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

    The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

    EDIT/ADD:

    If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

    It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to this.

    An aggravated police official had to follow marching orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were ordered to allow the event to continue.

    That makes the most sense to me. Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

    I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

    Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings.

    Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

    In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

    Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent.

    Most reasonable explanation I've seen

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    I would tend to agree, partly:

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

    ... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...

    Quote "The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.

    However, this:



    ... would tend to indicate that the "Craft" guys have been conned in their briefing of what was to be expected: they were expecting a dirty bomb... something they thought they could detect beforehand... or may be it's just standard OP?
    Yes, I'm saying that they knew a bomb/attack was likely based on intelligence. The order was given, against somebody's better judgement, to allow the event to continue. I say better judgement because of the increased security, the bomb drills, and the Craft hires. So, somebody knew the severity of the threat was serious, yet they were forced to allow the event to continue.

    They could have just known it was a bomb threat without anything more specific than that. I mean, the detectors would be the most prudent, "bomb sweeping" devices they could have used to find a bomb (i.e. standard OP equipment). The bomb didn't give off any radiation though, but these guys were there to find a bomb. They were all over the place surveying.
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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Alright. I think this is the most plausible explanation. I also think this is why all the media outlets and officials are worried.

    The biggest story (other than the tragedy of lost lives and limbs) is that personnel from the Craft were there, and that there were bomb drills being conducted around the incident. I don't think it's because it was a false flag. Well, maybe it could have been, but all factions and authorities in a multi-tiered government aren't all on the same page.

    It's looking increasingly likely that this is indeed a coverup. I think Mike Adams and Alex Jones are a tad off base. They're on the right trail, but their focus is shifted and stuck a little too deep in conspiracy to be honest.

    Here are some of the pictures out there of the Craft personnel.





    These guys where definitely there. Observing.

    This next one is especially important.



    What he is holding in his hand is a radiation detector. Used to detect any radiation emanating from nuclear weapons or other kinds of bombs.





    These men were hired for security measures. The authorities probably did receive a tip that there could be a bombing, or they at least received intelligence about a bomb threat. So, the city authorities beefed up security under the guise of performing drills (for increased readiness, just in case) and they hired Craft.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    A threat may have been made, or the authorities may have received a tip about a possible bombing. Therefore, they beefed up security. Instead of informing the public (which they probably rarely do, if ever), they found it prudent to conduct a drill surrounding the event. In this way, they could be better prepared against countering such a threat -- increased readiness.

    Obviously, it didn't work out if that was the case. Yet, it could account for the increased security.

    The city may have even hired the personnel from Craft for added security measures. I do think it's strange that they were there though, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities considering the aforementioned scenario.

    If they did have prior knowledge of a bombing, you bet they'd try to cover it up. If this thing could have been avoided and people find out, there would undoubtedly be outrage and public officials would share accountability. They tend to keep things like this from the public because it would weaken the public perception of their projected power and system of control.

    They like keeping secrets, which leaves us guessing within a wide range of "what if" scenarios.

    Freshly after the Sandy Hook incident, many are happy to color the secrecy with false flag conspiracies. This may or may not be the case. What I'm more sure of than anything is that the gov't won't let this crisis go to waste. Whether they're behind it or not.
    This is the story I think. Imagine the public outcry if we learned that the authorities knew that an attack was possible because they received or had prior knowledge of a threat. They obviously took the threat seriously enough to enact these dramatic security measures.

    Why would the media and public officials deny something as obvious as the presence of Craft operatives in addition to the same day bomb drills? To protect themselves from public scrutiny. The pieces fit. If it comes out that they knew this could've have happened, and thereby been avoided, then they would have to share accountability. This is a big deal.

    Even if it was some sort of false flag operation, it was beyond the awareness of the local authorities and the Craft operatives.

    That's why they are scared, because they may face the prospect of sharing responsibility if it comes out that this could have been avoided by calling off the event. They played a risky hand, and tried to hedge their bet with the bomb drills, Craft personnel, and overall increased security. They bet wrong.

    This is the cover-up. All the talk of false flags can resume, but I think if that was the case, it came from much higher up.

    Again, the gov't doesn't like a crisis to go to waste. They'll exploit anything they can to increase their power and control. They'll sure as hell do anything they can to place the blame as far away from them as they can. In this case though, they may be close to having to share some accountability for this tragic event.

    The FBI and DHS may also be trying to cover up the incompetence as well. Hence all the confusion, and the neglect of such apparent facts.

    EDIT/ADD:

    If there was this much added security surrounding the event, it's not outside the range of possibility that some official/authority advised canceling the event.

    It didn't get cancelled though. So, whoever it was that pressed for the event to ensue, then that is good reason to think that they were receiving orders from higher up to allow the event to continue in the face of the evidence that it should've been cancelled. That, or they had knowledge that the bomb would indeed go off and it was to be allowed. Of course, they wouldn't admit to this.

    An aggravated police official had to follow marching orders and allow the event to continue in the face of a credible threat and against their better judgement. So, they heavily increased security, conducted bomb drills surrounding the event, and hired Craft because the threat was so serious and yet they were ordered to allow the event to continue.

    That makes the most sense to me. Cover-up. This is serious. This is a reason for them to be scared. In this case, you could be damn certain that the "higher ups" in the DHS and FBI wouldn't want these dots connected.

    I'm sure that there are many threats around major events, but this one ... this one in particular was serious enough for all these measures. Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.

    Just like the events of 9/11 were "allowed" to take place by ignoring the files supporting the evidence of high-jackers training to fly planes into buildings.

    Why should the gov't avert a crisis, when it can be used to their advantage somehow, to further their agenda?

    In these kinds of cases, there's a fine line between incompetence and complicity.

    Whoever ordered the event to continue is who we need to look at. Them and whoever pressured them to make that call. Then we can better judge if they were complicit or just plain incompetent.
    G'day Vivek,

    Thanks for your insight...

    I'm curious though...

    Quote Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.
    To my mind, isn't that a...

    Quote (FALSE FLAG) in on itself...

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    Quote Somebody higher up gave the order, against all the evidence, to allow the event to transpire. That's conspiracy worthy.
    To my mind, isn't that a...

    Quote (FALSE FLAG) in on itself...
    It very well could be if that somebody knew with certainty that a terrorist event was going to happen. They could have just been following orders from somebody else. Somebody may have known for certain, or somebody is just plain stupid.

    It's either incompetence/ignorance or complicity.

    Those are the two most plausible options in my mind.
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    More from Pieczenik - The Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag to cover-up & distract the American public away from the publication (N.Y. Times) & public release of a criminal indictment of those that are at the top most levels of the U.S.G. for war crimes (use of torture).

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    Most reasonable explanation I've seen
    Thanks.

    Yes, I think somebody is covering somebody else's arse. That somebody may hold a public office. They may not even be related to the somebody who actually planted the bomb.

    But if all these somebody's are somehow connected, then somebody's in trouble.
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    Quote Posted by turiya (here)
    More from Pieczenik - The Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag to cover-up & distract the American public away from the publication (N.Y. Times) & public release of a criminal indictment of those that are at the top most levels of the U.S.G. for war crimes (use of torture).

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    U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes

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    Published: April 16, 2013

    WASHINGTON — A nonpartisan, independent review of interrogation and detention programs in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks concludes that “it is (INDISPUTABLE) that the United States (ENGAGED) in the practice of (TORTURE)” and that the nation’s (HIGHEST OFFICIALS) bore ultimate responsibility for it.

    The sweeping, 577-page report says that while brutality has occurred in every American war, there never before had been “the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody.” The study, by an 11-member panel convened by the Constitution Project, a legal research and advocacy group, is to be released on Tuesday morning.

    Debate over the coercive interrogation methods used by the administration of President George W. Bush has often broken down on largely partisan lines. The Constitution Project’s task force on detainee treatment, led by two former members of Congress with experience in the executive branch — a Republican, Asa Hutchinson, and a Democrat, James R. Jones — seeks to produce a stronger national consensus on the torture question.

    While the task force did not have access to classified records, it is the most ambitious independent attempt to date to assess the detention and interrogation programs. A separate 6,000-page report on the Central Intelligence Agency’s record by the Senate Intelligence Committee, based exclusively on agency records, rather than interviews, remains classified.

    “As long as the debate continues, so too does the possibility that the United States could again engage in torture,” the report says.

    The use of torture, the report concludes, has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” The task force found “no firm or persuasive evidence” that these interrogation methods produced valuable information that could not have been obtained by other means. While “a person subjected to torture might well divulge useful information,” much of the information obtained by force was not reliable, the report says.

    Interrogation and abuse at the C.I.A.’s so-called black sites, the Guantánamo Bay prison in Cuba and war-zone detention centers, have been described in considerable detail by the news media and in declassified documents, though the Constitution Project report adds many new details.

    It confirms a report by Human Rights Watch that one or more Libyan militants were waterboarded by the C.I.A., challenging the agency’s longtime assertion that only three Al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the near-drowning technique. It includes a detailed account by Albert J. Shimkus Jr., then a Navy captain who ran a hospital for detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison, of his own disillusionment when he discovered what he considered to be the unethical mistreatment of prisoners.

    But the report’s main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end.

    The question of whether those methods amounted to torture is a historically and legally momentous issue that has been debated for more than a decade inside and outside the government. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel wrote a series of legal opinions from 2002 to 2005 concluding that the methods were not torture if used under strict rules; all the memos were later withdrawn. News organizations have wrestled with whether to label the brutal methods unequivocally as torture in the face of some government officials’ claims that they were not.

    In addition, the United States is a signatory to the international Convention Against Torture, which requires the prompt investigation of allegations of torture and the compensation of its victims.

    Like the still-secret Senate interrogation report, the Constitution Project study was initiated after President Obama decided in 2009 not to support a national commission to investigate the post-9/11 counterterrorism programs, as proposed by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, and others. Mr. Obama said then that he wanted to “look forward, not backward.” Aides have said he feared that his own policy agenda might get sidetracked in a battle over his predecessor’s programs.

    The panel studied the treatment of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, in Afghanistan and Iraq, and at the C.I.A’s secret prisons. Staff members, including the executive director, Neil A. Lewis, a former reporter for The New York Times, traveled to multiple detention sites and interviewed dozens of former American and foreign officials, as well as former detainees.

    Mr. Hutchinson, who served in the Bush administration as chief of the Drug Enforcement Administration and under secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said he “took convincing” on the torture issue. But after the panel’s nearly two years of research, he said he had no doubts about what the United States did.

    “This has not been an easy inquiry for me, because I know many of the players,” Mr. Hutchinson said in an interview. He said he thought everyone involved in decisions, from Mr. Bush down, had acted in good faith, in a desperate effort to try to prevent more attacks.

    “But I just think we learn from history,” Mr. Hutchinson said. “It’s incredibly important to have an accurate account not just of what happened but of how decisions were made.”

    He added, “The United States has a historic and unique character, and part of that character is that we do not torture.”

    The panel found that the United States violated its international legal obligations by engineering “enforced disappearances” and secret detentions. It questions recidivism figures published by the Defense Intelligence Agency for Guantánamo detainees who have been released, saying they conflict with independent reviews.

    It describes in detail the ethical compromise of government lawyers who offered “acrobatic” advice to justify brutal interrogations and medical professionals who helped direct and monitor them. And it reveals an internal debate at the International Committee of the Red Cross over whether the organization should speak publicly about American abuses; advocates of going public lost the fight, delaying public exposure for months, the report finds.

    Mr. Jones, a former ambassador to Mexico, noted that his panel called for the release of a declassified version of the Senate report and said he believed that the two reports, one based on documents and the other largely on interviews, would complement each other in documenting what he called a grave series of policy errors.

    “I had not recognized the depths of torture in some cases,” Mr. Jones said. “We lost our compass.”

    While the Constitution Project report covers mainly the Bush years, it is critical of some Obama administration policies, especially what it calls excessive secrecy. It says that keeping the details of rendition and torture from the public “cannot continue to be justified on the basis of national security” and urges the administration to stop citing state secrets to block lawsuits by former detainees.

    The report calls for the revision of the Army Field Manual on interrogation to eliminate Appendix M, which it says would permit an interrogation for 40 consecutive hours, and to restore an explicit ban on stress positions and sleep manipulation.

    The core of the report, however, may be an appendix: a detailed 22-page legal and historical analysis that explains why the task force concluded that what the United States did was torture. It offers dozens of legal cases in which similar treatment was prosecuted in the United States or denounced as torture by American officials when used by other countries.

    The report compares the torture of detainees to the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. “What was once generally taken to be understandable and justifiable behavior,” the report says, “can later become a case of historical regret.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    PS - A (FALSE FLAG) for a (COVER-UP) just like Donald Rumsfeld's (Press-Statement) saying the Pentagon lost/could not account for $2.5 Trillion the (DAY BEFORE) 911...

    (BINGO)..!

    2.3 Trillion Dollars Missing from DOD Day before 911 2001



    What Can I Get For 2.3 Trillion?



    PSS - Are (YOU)...

    Starting to (GET IT) Now...? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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