Possible Boston Marathon Bombing Cover-Up Scenario

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

I agree that they are special military type security contractors, likely hired through Homeland Security, IMO. I personally doubt that they were there specifically to locate and dismantle a bomb, I think perhaps they were there to spot/detect suspicious persons and objects, as enhanced security. Once an object was located perhaps they'd inspect but I think these guys would call in another unit to remove the object, I personally don't think these guys were dressed and or "geared to take it further than detection and securing/evacuating a certain area.
But that's just my opinion.

[TargeT]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

I agree that they are special military type security contractors, likely hired through Homeland Security, IMO. I personally doubt that they were there specifically to locate and dismantle a bomb, I think perhaps they were there to spot/detect suspicious persons and objects, as enhanced security. Once an object was located perhaps they'd inspect but I think these guys would call in another unit to remove the object, I personally don't think these guys were dressed and or "geared to take it further than detection and securing/evacuating a certain area.
But that's just my opinion.

I've worked with a lot of EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) crews, you never see them dressed under cover or out of "the suit" when dealing with suspected devices, in-fact even the hint of a device causes the area to be cordoned off and an inspection of the area... since there is no real way to detect bombs (the radiation reader in that picture is highly suspect.. I doubt that's what the device was though I suppose it's possible).

This is what it looks like when a suspected bomb is investigated:



Now that doesn't really prove anything, I think it's very un likely that these are "bomb disposal" or "detection" individuals; but probably augmented security or perhaps drill participants of some sort (they could be evaluating how the locals are dealing with the drill etc).

[Jeffrey]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
Considering the situation and the backpacks/radiation detector, I think it's very possible that these guys were hired to find/dismantle a bomb. They are most likely bomb technicians.

I agree that they are special military type security contractors, likely hired through Homeland Security, IMO. I personally doubt that they were there specifically to locate and dismantle a bomb, I think perhaps they were there to spot/detect suspicious persons and objects, as enhanced security. Once an object was located perhaps they'd inspect but I think these guys would call in another unit to remove the object, I personally don't think these guys were dressed and or "geared to take it further than detection and securing/evacuating a certain area.
But that's just my opinion.

Hola compadre,

I thought they may just be there for enhanced security alone too, but consider this.

None of them can be seen with any weapons in any pictures. No guns, no batons, no pepper spray, no handcuffs. Zilch.

Now, maybe some of those things were in the backpack. That seems like an inconvenient place to put such items if you were hired just to be an alert security guard.

Which is why, considering the context clues and all of the other available information, I think it's more likely that the backpacks contain equipment that a bomb technician would use.

Also, if they were hired to be low key and not raise any public concern, then it would make sense that they're not walking around in bomb protective suits.

They are special operatives that work for Craft International. We can definitely say that with extreme confidence. The other information points to them being some kind of bomb technicians (i.e. the backpacks, the radiation detectors, and the fact that they were actively working in an event where bombs actually went off).

Thanks,

Vivek

[SilentFeathers]

I agree you are "on to" something here Vivek, these guys are way out of place regardless.

Posted by Vivek (here)
They are special operatives that work for Craft International. We can definitely say that with extreme confidence. The other information points to them being some kind of bomb technicians (i.e. the backpacks, the radiation detectors, and the fact that they were actively working in an event where bombs actually went off).

What if they were expecting something else? ...and these "pressure cooker" bombers were a diversion so to speak, or totally unexpected?

I'm speculating big-time, but if these guys are who you say they are, which I think they are, it would almost seem they were hired perhaps due to a nuclear or biological type of threat. These backpacks contain bio suits and bio testing equipment too. It is strange they were quick to test for radiation too.

Somethings pretty fishy about this for sure.

On the other hand, were they involved in the actual bombing? I haven't seen one clue that any of them were hurt in the explosions and they all seemed to be right there where they went off......

ADDED: I also find it a bit suspicious that they basically shut down more than one city, calling everyone to stay inside etc., seems a bit like over-reacting for sure.....all because of one dude with a gun and maybe a crude gernade like bomb??????

[TargeT]

the jackets they have on and all of them seemed to be a bit "bulky" around the waist is a clear indication (to me) of concealed weapons which meshes very well with their "undercover" dress.

also:


I have this same backpack the bottom left guy has on (if not the same, it's very very similar, the side compression straps, the top grab handle & side grab handle, everything about it looks the same as mine), it could carry maybe one of the smaller hook-line kits, but those are hardly useful in a street setting, it doesn't appear to be holding anything overly heavy & is maybe 13" thick from what it looks like & I wouldn't guess it has any weapons in it (usless there, too hard to get to). You could fit maybe a chem suit and a mask (but the mask would have to be out of its regular carry case and sorta crammed in there) for an NBC attack...

it seems to me like either lightly armed security, or observational "trainer" types... I've had these kind of instructers before deployment before, they would toss out artilery simulators randomly to see how people react then call out 5 or 6 random people and tell them they were dead or injured and we'd have to react further.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I've worked with a lot of EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) crews, you never see them dressed under cover or out of "the suit" when dealing with suspected devices, in-fact even the hint of a device causes the area to be cordoned off and an inspection of the area... since there is no real way to detect bombs (the radiation reader in that picture is highly suspect.. I doubt that's what the device was though I suppose it's possible).

This is what it looks like when a suspected bomb is investigated:



Now that doesn't really prove anything, I think it's very un likely that these are "bomb disposal" or "detection" individuals; but probably augmented security or perhaps drill participants of some sort (they could be evaluating how the locals are dealing with the drill etc).

Good point. They didn't know where the bomb was though. It could be that they were all given some sort of standardized bomb technicians kit and the radiation detectors.

I've seen six of these guys in pictures so far. Consider if they were hired on the side for added security measures against a bomb threat.

What would be the minimum amount of equipment they would need? A radiation detector and some sort of convenient bomb technicians kit. They may have not known what kind of bomb it was or where it would be, they just knew that there was a bomb threat serious enough to warrant hiring them for added security measures.

I don't think these men would be in full gear (bomb suits) sweeping the area if they were supposed to attract little attention and not raise public concerns.

Let's say one of them discovered a bomb. They may call in back up, with all the heavy duty equipment. Yet, they may have just been carrying around the backpacks just in case the situation warranted immediate action (i.e. they couldn't clear the people fast enough, the situation couldn't wait for the backup, or any number of situations in which they'd be stuck without all the safety equipment necessary yet they needed to act).

These are private contractors, so maybe they are a little more flexible with safety protocols. They may be more willing to bend to the demands of whoever paid them to work the event.

They may have been bomb technicians that were there to lookout for suspicious activity/packages and the backpacks were the least prudent measures they could have while the main Boston PD Bomb Squad was on standby too. Just some thoughts.

[Sidney]

Lets not forget to factor in the facebook page for the "victims" that was created on the saturday BEFORE this event.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n4l9yK6vtCU

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
Lets not forget to factor in the facebook page for the "victims" that was created on the saturday BEFORE this event.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n4l9yK6vtCU

Hello,

This has already been discussed as unreliable. The title of a Facebook page can be changed days after it's created (under simple conditions).

From Facebook:

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How do I change my Page name?

You can only change the name of a Page with fewer than 200 likes. If your Page qualifies, follow these steps to change its name:

1. From the top of your Page, click Edit Page
2. Select Update Info
3. Change the text in the Name field and save your edits

You can't currently change the name of a Page with 200 or more likes.

Changing your Page's name does not affect its username or Page address. Learn more about changing your Page's username.

Source: http://www.facebook.com/help/271607792873806

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As long as there's less than 200 likes, the name can be changed to whatever anybody wants it to say.

Thanks,

Vivek

[sheme]

My intuition is not happy about this death of a terrorist stuff, I hope they take the youngster alive.

[SilentFeathers]

Alex Jones site claims these guys are seals or blackwater...(and craft) also

[Jeffrey]

Posted by TargeT (here)
the jackets they have on and all of them seemed to be a bit "bulky" around the waist is a clear indication (to me) of concealed weapons which meshes very well with their "undercover" dress.

also:


I have this same backpack the bottom left guy has on (if not the same, it's very very similar, the side compression straps, the top grab handle & side grab handle, everything about it looks the same as mine), it could carry maybe one of the smaller hook-line kits, but those are hardly useful in a street setting, it doesn't appear to be holding anything overly heavy & is maybe 13" thick from what it looks like & I wouldn't guess it has any weapons in it (usless there, too hard to get to). You could fit maybe a chem suit and a mask (but the mask would have to be out of its regular carry case and sorta crammed in there) for an NBC attack...

it seems to me like either lightly armed security, or observational "trainer" types... I've had these kind of instructers before deployment before, they would toss out artilery simulators randomly to see how people react then call out 5 or 6 random people and tell them they were dead or injured and we'd have to react further.

I agree that they probably are carrying some kind of pistol (i.e. underneath the jackets).

There are many types of bomb technicians kits from what I've looked at (there is even a standardized hook & line kit for urban settings, cars, etc). They can vary in size and it would be easy to customize one depending on the perceived requirements of the situation.

The backpack could have contained some variation of the following EOD tool kit offered by Tactical Electronics:



Here is a description of the kit from the website:

The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools. Its modular design allows the operator to customize the configuration based on the scenario. The kit incorporates removable components as well as provides room for additional equipment as required.

Source: http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/p...e-eod-tool-kit

The Craft personnel could have their own customized versions of such a kit. They could have been carrying them around as the least prudent measure if we consider that they were supposed to keep a low profile.

If this is the case, it points to the fact that the city found a threat serious enough to warrant such measures on top of their own police resources. So, why wasn't the event cancelled?

[Jeffrey]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Alex Jones site claims these guys are seals or blackwater...(and craft) also

They probably were or are in the armed forces. They were at the event as Craft personnel though.

Chris Kyle (former NAVY seal, died a while back) started Craft International (source).

Notice there is some marking on the forehead of the skull in the photo. Also, notice the writing on the back and the flag on the side. The skull is the Craft logo and it is based off of the seal team logo that Mr. Kyle was a part of (source).



These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quell a bomb threat and squelch the possibility of any bombs detonating.

Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

[Sirius White]

The question simply comes down to this:

Who hired them?

And Why?

In this world, things are too complex to simply be gooberment conspiracies. The gooberment is merely an instrument, and even then which part, who , which faction? etc.

[TargeT]

if the case is that they were bomb tech.s then serious prior knowledge exsisted, this could be a case of a known incident allowed to happen, though that seems to lack the control factor that is displayed for things like this.

Maybe they set the bomb up themselfs and were monitoring the area to see if it was found? the prevalence of backpacks seems like a "cover" to me, not actual "tool kits", just from what I've heard with the "drill" and now people were not suppose to be allarmed by the backpacks, but that could have been something to cover these guys as well.. hard to say when your speculating from the internet

Posted by Vivek (here)

These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quench a bomb threat. Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means... Why aren't they still in service if their intent was honorable??

Erik Dean Prince (born June 6, 1969) is a former U.S. Navy SEAL notable for founding the world's largest private military company, Blackwater Worldwide, in 1997

Black Water was started in much the same way as "the craft" and we know they are anything but honorable... Let's not let that cloud possiblity.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by TargeT (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

These men were there under honorable conditions -- trying to quench a bomb threat. Unfortunately, the bomb threat manifested and people died/were seriously injured.

If anything, the attention needs to go to who allowed the event to continue if the threat was credible enough to warrant hiring such men on top of BPD enforcement/security.

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means... Why aren't they still in service if their intent was honorable??

Erik Dean Prince (born June 6, 1969) is a former U.S. Navy SEAL notable for founding the world's largest private military company, Blackwater Worldwide, in 1997

Black Water was started in much the same way as "the craft" and we know they are anything but honorable... Let's not let that cloud possiblity.

I'm not saying anything about any other contractors other than these men at this specific event. I think they were there under honorable conditions. That doesn't speak to Blackwater or any other conditions in which contractors such as these were hired in the past.

I'm not judging these men. I'm judging the situation based on the available information and I'm trying my best to discern what the facts are (and likely information that correlates with these facts) to make reasonable estimations of the truth in this matter. I've tossed aside precepts in favor of prospecting for the truth.

I don't know about the men in the photos. However, I do know that Chris Kyle (the founder of Craft International) was honorably discharged from the Navy in 2009.

[Operator]

I don't think they were there for the bombs. Most likely a support team (eyes and ears) for the director.
You can see them getting instructions after the bombs went of. In another picture you see them running.
Getting into action as directed.

I agree with Target:

I'm not quick to judge a military contractor "honorable" by any means...

I unfortunately have personal experience with 'contractor' work. Most of it not honorable at all.
Made me sick and quit after a year.

I also agree with Target that they are totally not equipped (an thus not intended) to find/secure bombs.

It doesn't feel right to see those guys standing stationary on the same spot where one of the bombs
exploded. I am at least 100% convinced that the authorities had pre-knowledge about a pending threat.
There was clearly no surprise.

[Jeffrey]

Alright y'all. This needs to be said.

I'm not here to make agreements. I don't want to be told what to think or how to think. I'm not telling you all what to think. I'm not just going to accept how Alex Jones strings together the pieces. I'm not going to accept the most popular theories on GLP. I'm not going to accept the spin the MSM puts out, and I'm not going to accept what anybody here says based on how many thanks they receive.

I'm here to dig. I'm digging. I'm here to think. I'm thinking. Any opinions I make are mine to make. I don't take other's opinions as my own, and I don't expect anybody to accept my opinions.

I'm laying out reasonable explanations here considering the available information. There's more opinions floating around based on the lack of information than opinions measured by the facts.

It takes discernment to sift through the crap. I'm trying to sift here. I'm not here to be popular or follow the corn pone opinions. I'll leave the popularity for the characters that need that fodder.

I've said this doesn't look right. I've said the authorities probably had prior knowledge. It's also likely that the FBI helped foster the plot of the suspect to flush out potential a terrorist (this method is questionable and I don't agree with it, it's more like creating a terrorist). That could be why the threat warranted such precautionary measures, because the tip came from credible FBI sources. They probably set this guy up. He still could have done it, or he could be framed as the perpetrator.

Either way, somebody in some gov't agency knew the bombing was a likely enough possibility or they wouldn't have hired private contractors to monitor the area and allowed the marathon to happen in the face of such a severe possibility (i.e. the bombings). This is the cover-up of some sort. Nobody in a jury would consider anything about the suspicious guys with backpacks being complicit in the event. Why? Somebody would merely need to point out that they were hired to monitor the area because of a bomb threat and that their bags held technical equipment to deal with a bomb in an emergency situation. Do I know this as fact? No. Okay. That's fine, but I've made a case.

These are the right people to look at. The right question is, why? Why were they there? Then people try to answer it based on pure speculation (in most cases). I've answered it with logic and reasonable links. I haven't linked to some speculative conspiracy story full of holes, and I'm not anybody's parrot.

There is a conspiracy. A legitimate one. I'm not going to mix legitimate questions with cognitively reckless ones.

The other arguments I've heard don't make any sense. They don't. They may make sense to you, but they don't make any sense to me. I understand that what I'm saying might not make any sense to some people, but some people have already made up their minds. Made up being the key word there, as in make believe.

I don't have to believe everything I think, but I enjoy thinking about what I believe. There are many reasonable questions that need answers surrounding this event, and there are many unreasonable ones.

Maybe you feel that I'm being judgmental and overly critical. Maybe you think I'm being rude. No, I'm calling it like I see it. If you can be so critical and insensitive to say that the people with their limbs blown off are actors in this recent tragedy, then don't complain when I criticize and pick apart your arguments (if you haven't made this argument, then I'm not talking to you).

You all want the community as a whole to take what we say seriously? Then get serious about it. I understand this is a conspiracy forum and people are allowed to say what they think. Cool. Fine. I won't stop you. I can't stop you. It's not my right, not my role, and I don't want to be in control of anybody. Yet, there is nothing more than gossip and dribble being passed around here in certain instances. Leave it as gossip or an opinion. Quit trying to state it as the truth, it's just adding to the hock of confusion and fueling speculation.

I'm not trying to state the truth, I'm just digging for it. Making calculated estimations of it based on the known variables. If I have to fill in any blanks, I'll do it with logic. I'm not jumping to conclusions.

If you get upset that I've pointed out the holes in your boat, well, build a better boat.

I realize that you can say what you will just as I can. I'm not going to stop you. You can twist my words back on to me. Fine. Do it. I know I can be a hypocrite, I know how my own foot tastes, and I know I can be ignorant. I've looked in the mirror.

You've got two ears, two eyes, and one mouth. I think I'll shut up now.

[Hervé]

Recap of the available data:

1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:

2) 4:10:12 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finishing line and on the same street side

3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street and of the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.

In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.

Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.

I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1 minute after the second explosion.

4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:

5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:

... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"

My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

[Operator]

Posted by Vivek (here)
Either way, somebody in some gov't agency knew this was going to happen or they wouldn't have hired private contractors to monitor the area.

There is another hidden potential hint.

Why hire 8 guys privately while they have hundreds or probably over a thousand police officers on the street already?

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
Either way, somebody in some gov't agency knew this was going to happen or they wouldn't have hired private contractors to monitor the area.

There is another hidden potential hint.

Why hire 8 guys privately while they have hundreds or probably over a thousand police officers on the street already?

That's exactly what I'm wondering. Somebody obviously thought it was a good idea to hire these guys for extra security measures. Whatever threat the Boston officials were aware of ... it was enough to warrant hiring some extra hands.

My take.