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    Default Re: Possible Boston Marathon Bombing Cover-Up Scenario

    Update on post # 11 and post # 38:

    Calibrating the timing of the bombs' detonations from the Boston Globe video to the marathon finish line clocks; the first explosion did occur at 4:09:44 PM, local time, but the second explosion (blast sound) occurred at 4:09:58 PM.


    1) first explosion blasted at 4:09:44 PM some 20' away from where the 2 "Craft" guys were stationed:




    2) 4:09:58 PM, second blast occurred further down the street from the finish line and on the same street side





    3) 4:11:40 PM (marathon finish line clock above their head), the two "Craft" guys are now standing on the other side of the street beyond the finish line.They had about 2 minutes to cover that distance from their "Sweetgreen" store station, after the first blast, flowing with the crowd fleeing the scene.


    In other words, they missed spotting the "unusual" of the dropping of the bomb right under their nose... not good for their matricule... since that, according to VT:

    What our Special Ops people just can’t believe: these stand out security contractors who look like they are from ‘overseas’ just happen to be stationed 15 to 20 feet left of the first bomb…but seem to have left the position prior to it being dropped…and moved across the street which happened to be a good place. Protocol is to not have them move around, as if they do they don’t know who is new in an area, who they have been talking to, how they are acting.


    Now look at them after the bombing, still in their Butch Cassidy and Sundance mode, on the phone, and not the slightest bit involved with what is going on around them other than communicating with someone.

    Usually the bosses back at headquarters are watching everything live on video anyway, from a variety of cameras. You don’t really have any security if you are doing that as protocol is to even have the plain clothes guys being watched to make sure they are not chatting up some babe. Yes, they have to do that.

    Here is photo one. Protocol is zone defence…people at street level with people above watching their backs so you have three pairs of eyes on one zone, plus a video camera.

    I disagree with VT that they moved around prior to the bomb detonating since they had about 2 minutes to cover the distance after the first explosion and 1-1/2 minute after the second explosion.

    4) 4:12:50 PM, all the "Craft" gang is around their command center SUV:


    5) about 8 "Craft" operatives are around that SUV:


    ... all in "uniform"... the reason being, according to VT:

    Once again, they are engaged with no one around them and seem totally relaxed and doing nothing but communicating with someone. These are DHS contractors. They dress the same so the team knows who they are, Feds, versus locals.

    This is the only photo of them involved with some one, the FBI bomb squad people. I wonder if they are telling them “they almost got us!!…"



    My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

    I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the "Craft" outfit.

    For larger resolution pictures see: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craft...l17apr13.shtml

    and: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04...hers-tsarnaev/

    About 1 to 2 hours later (not sure which time zone this particular Fox News is operating on), command center SUV and crew truck still on the scene now mostly deserted:


    Crew truck leaving after SUV

    On the premise of this assumption:

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    On the other hand, in terms of possibilities, it could be that there was a bomb threat warning...

    ... disguised as a drill to "not scare" the crowd into a stampede... you know... like the nutcase mayor of New York needing to get "his" marathon on schedule despite "Sandy"'s devastation...

    Quote "The marathon has always brought our city together and inspired us with stories of courage and determination," Mr Bloomberg and the New York Road Runners, the marathon's organizers, said in a joint statement.

    ... and considering the above options and those of post # 44, what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be hired on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

    A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

    Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?


    Update:

    Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the "Craft" crew:

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    1. Why would they all (most of them) be wearing the backpacks? What purpose would the backpacks serve?

    2. Why the handheld radiation detector?

    3. Why would they all still be on the scene afterwards?
    Perhaps by wearing the backpacks, they were desensitizing the local cops to black backpacks?

    As for the radiation detector, why do it out in plain sight in the middle of the street, instead of where the bombs went off and a bit more discretely. The Radmeter Dude sure looks like he wants to be seen. Perhaps he's planting an idea in our minds for future operations.

    As for being there afterwards, I imagine that the one's directing this operation would want some trusted operatives present, in the "uniform" that the other local police would respect, just to make sure things are proceeding without an unwelcome hitch.
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    Someone posted a tiny picture on Fazebook, and I'd like to see a larger version, in context, and try to ascertain when in the chain of events the picture was shot.

    Does anyone know where the raw photos are posted that InfoWars and others are accessing? Specifically, can someone provide a link to the following (raw) photo (the lower one that has been captioned, "Hey bro, Where'd your backpack go?")

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    p.s. I suspect at least three layers of deception and, (as many have said), alternate patsies that were all clueless that they had put themselves in the position of possibly being picked as the patsy. Due to the extremely high visibility of the "Craft" guys, I am convinced they are a deliberate distraction, not perps. However, IMO, whoever ordered them to wear the black backpacks is a co-conspirator.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    1. Why would they all (most of them) be wearing the backpacks? What purpose would the backpacks serve?

    2. Why the handheld radiation detector?

    3. Why would they all still be on the scene afterwards?
    Perhaps by wearing the backpacks, they were desensitizing the local cops to black backpacks?

    As for the radiation detector, why do it out in plain sight in the middle of the street, instead of where the bombs went off and a bit more discretely. The Radmeter Dude sure looks like he wants to be seen. Perhaps he's planting an idea in our minds for future operations.

    As for being there afterwards, I imagine that the one's directing this operation would want some trusted operatives present, in the "uniform" that the other local police would respect, just to make sure things are proceeding without an unwelcome hitch.
    The local police would have known they were there. If I was a cop and I noticed a bunch of men dressed in the same apparel with the same backpacks, I would be more suspicious. The local police knew they were there because they were working the event.

    As for your second assertion, I'm sure the whole "low key" protocol would've been tossed aside once a bomb went off like that.

    People around here are stretching way too far to try and explain something that they want to believe.

    It's far less of a stretch to consider that they were cooperating with the authorities to find a bomb and/or monitor suspicious activity due to a viable tip of a serious threat surrounding the event.
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Someone posted a tiny picture on Fazebook, and I'd like to see a larger version, in context, and try to ascertain when in the chain of events the picture was shot.

    Does anyone know where the raw photos are posted that InfoWars and others are accessing? Specifically, can someone provide a link to the following (raw) photo (the lower one that has been captioned, "Hey bro, Where'd your backpack go?")

    Attachment 21209

    Dennis

    p.s. I suspect at least three layers of deception and, (as many have said), alternate patsies that were all clueless that they had put themselves in the position of possibly being picked as the patsy. Due to the extremely high visibility of the "Craft" guys, I am convinced they are a deliberate distraction, not perps. However, IMO, whoever ordered them to wear the black backpacks is a co-conspirator.
    Distraction for what, from who? Dennis, there were hundreds of people there. That's distracting enough.

    The backpacks aren't that strange considering they most likely contained some sort of bomb technicians equipment.

    The backpacks are decoys? For what? There's plenty of other people, regular people, wearing backpacks. The backpacks had a purpose and it's unlikely that they were just for aesthetics or diversions.

    Look through the thread! It's not a big stretch to make a sound judgement of what's most likely in the backpacks considering the situation.
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post663781
    You're ignoring logic here.
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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Someone posted a tiny picture on Fazebook, and I'd like to see a larger version, in context, and try to ascertain when in the chain of events the picture was shot.

    Does anyone know where the raw photos are posted that InfoWars and others are accessing? Specifically, can someone provide a link to the following (raw) photo (the lower one that has been captioned, "Hey bro, Where'd your backpack go?")

    Attachment 21209

    Dennis

    p.s. I suspect at least three layers of deception and, (as many have said), alternate patsies that were all clueless that they had put themselves in the position of possibly being picked as the patsy. Due to the extremely high visibility of the "Craft" guys, I am convinced they are a deliberate distraction, not perps. However, IMO, whoever ordered them to wear the black backpacks is a co-conspirator.
    Distraction for what, from who? Dennis, there were hundreds of people there. That's distracting enough.
    I have already stated my suspicion that:
    • a black backpack contained a bomb (confirmed by photographic evidence, unless that is fake evidence)
    • security guys are wearing backpacks - this is strange, atypical, and you even agreed with me on that point
    • the security guys backpacks are black

    Therefore: "Distraction for what, from who?" Distraction FOR the bomber - a bomber in a conspiracy. Two or more people involved means it IS a conspiracy, the "official" word is TWO brothers, so officially this is a conspiracy. I agree that it IS a conspiracy. I suspect that MORE than 2 co-conspirators are involved (and that may or may not have included the Tsarnaev brothers.) I suspect that whoever ordered the security guys to wear THOSE BLACK BACKPACKS (at least very similar to the blown-up one) deliberately included multiple BLACK backpacks at the scene to obfuscate the crime.

    Oddly, the backpacks that the Tsarnaev brothers are seen wearing are not black.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    The backpacks aren't that strange considering they most likely contained some sort of bomb technicians equipment.
    Yes, the backpacks are strange. You already agreed that they were strange for security personnel. Now you are jumping to the conclusion that these are not dime-a-dozen security guys, they are also trained bomb technicians that could dismantle a bomb (even though that is an extremely rare sub-specialty - probably 1 bomb tech that could dismantle a bomb for every 10,000 security guys.) The odds that these guys that look like security are also bomb techs is infinitesimally low. Then, we have the problem that even if they were bobm techs, they could not possibly have the equipment crammed into those BLACK backpacks (like the one that blew up) to even approach a live bomb.

    If you say those backpacks PROBABLY contained bomb technician equipment, I am going to repeat again: NO they probably DIDN'T. That is illogical, and poorly thought-out speculation on your part. I already went through the scenario about the reality that bomb squad guys don't EVER dismantle ANY bombs unless there is no other choice (for example, someone stuck in an area with a bomb, where they cannot evacuate the person.) This is OUTDOORS. Bomb squad guys are not a "dime a dozen" like security guys are. I have never heard of, and have never seen a whole squadron of bomb squad guys - there are EIGHT of these security guys walking around with these backpacks. Only later, quite a bit later, do we see ACTUAL bomb squad guys come in an ACTUAL bomb squad truck. I cannot say for sure, but there may have only been ONE bomb squad guy at the Marathon, once the real bomb squad truck arrived, at the scene. He may have arrived with one partner - that would not surprise me. But he would NOT go near a bomb without a full bomb-proof suit and special bomb-proof helmet on. Your conclusion that the 8 security guys are carrying "bomb technicians equipment" really truly is a near impossible conclusion, much much more UNLIKELY than likely.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    The backpacks are decoys? For what? There's plenty of other people, regular people, wearing backpacks. The backpacks had a purpose and it's unlikely that they were just for aesthetics or diversions.
    Yes, as I stated before (and it is conjecture, but still appears logical to me), based on the oddity of 8 uniformed security guys also wearing black backpacks (just like the black backpack that contained a bomb), the fact that they were near the blast area but seem to have gotten a call to move away from the blast area before becoming raw meat, and the fact that they never opened the packs to reveal anything that could actually help out in a crisis says to me that the purpose of the backpacks was a decoy or diversion.

    The odds that
    • the very unusual concept of backpacks were ordered to be worn by security guys,
    • that they were large black backpacks, and
    • that the backpack containing the bomb was black, and
    • that the security guys never needed to open their backpacks during surveillance work nor after a bomb went off
    is just a coincidence is outrageously low.

    I agree with you: the backpacks had a purpose. The person or persons that ordered this crew of 8 security guys to wear a backpack like the bomber used knows exactly what the purpose was.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Look through the thread! It's not a big stretch to make a sound judgement of what's most likely in the backpacks considering the situation.
    Yes, it IS a stretch, a huge stretch. Guessing that the black backpacks (that look like the exploded one) contain bomb squad gear is not a sound judgment.

    These are obviously security guys, not bomb squad guys. They could NOT fit a bomb squad bomb-proof suit in those backpacks. They could not even have fit the special helmet. The post that Amer Zo made (post # 383) is a bit deceiving for a bomb squad guy. Yes, the point was made that a real bomb squad kit that the real bomb squad guy showed up with is double the size of the backpacks that the security guys were wearing, but what you did not see in that photo was that on the bomb squad truck, there was ALSO (in addition to the bulky pack), an enormous, very bulky, bomb-proof suit and bomb-proof helmet that most certainly would NOT fit in a backpack and that those security guys would HAVE to wear if they were even going to APPROACH a bomb.


    (this was not in those black backpacks the security guys were wearing)


    (this was not in those black backpacks the security guys were wearing)

    Now, do you want to revisit your logic that these security guys were carrying " the necessary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one" ?
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    You're ignoring logic here.
    No, I'm not.

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    Last night on the news they were saying that the mother of the SUSPECTS was told the last time she was in the US that her son was being monitored by the FBI! So they knew him to be a threat.
    It makes me sick that these guys have been proven guilty already. Even the lamestream media is saying that at this point they don't have any proof beyond a doubt that these guys planted the bomb. Also it's all just too damn convenient, this manhunt.
    If the younger brother was not involved but only by the fact that his brother had become more radicalised just makes me feel so saddened by the what he's going through right now.

    The family said that they had noticed that the older son had become more radical in his views, that this didn't happen in Chechnya but in the states.

    I think this bomb attack was known about before it happened.
    I think this bomb drill was a cover up for an actual threat, this is why these uniformed craft people were there.

    In the aftermath, especially when all the officials and the lamestream are focusing on how strong Americans are, how this won't scare them, that they will carry on in defiance, this to me is sending a message loud and clear.
    This message is saying to the public: you are not allowed to deal with this, you are not allowed to process this event, you must not think about what happened and only focus on hunting down these suspects.
    This to me seems like an exercise in mass trauma while telling the public how they must feel and what they must think.
    Nothing new here. I wish I could explain this better.
    I'm thinking of Ickes theory of problem reaction solution. With the added effect of controlling the publics emotions by telling them how they should feel and traumatising them to be open to all suggestions.
    Do you not think that by shutting down the city of Boston and hunting down these young men that because of the fact that the people of Boston were so scared that if the police caught a little old lady and she was the suspect that they would all be cheering out of relief.
    So sad so sad.
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    This is what they did in London with the bombings, got everyone so scared and suspicious ............ my daughter worked just behind Stockwell tube station and just down the road from the synagogue so I remember it well.

    The fear, the hysteria and the mess that was made of many aspects of it.

    They have a lot of actual case studies to learn from.

    I feel so sorry for that young lad and his family - it is tragic, as it is for all the innocent people harmed in any way by this incident.

    As always there is much more to this than we will ever know .... sending love, fearlessly

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    The fact that the older brother was aware of his FBI contact and spoke openly of it to his mother indicates one thing for certain: This was an FBI "handler". If he had been merely "under surveillance" it is unlikely he would have been aware of being monitored. This implies the possibility of a deliberate frameup, as cited above.

    Even at minimum, had he been "monitored", it is unfathomable that the FBI, with any knowledge whatsoever of nefarious plans, would not have intervened to prevent the bombing. The idea that "we get bomb threats all the time..." and ignore them! is ludicrous. I've never known a police force to ignore a bomb threat. Except in the case of 9-11, where suspicious FBI agents were ordered to stand down beforehand.

    Either way, the government is somehow implicated here.

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Yes, the backpacks are strange. You already agreed that they were strange for security personnel. Now you are jumping to the conclusion that these are not dime-a-dozen security guys, they are also trained bomb technicians that could dismantle a bomb (even though that is an extremely rare sub-specialty - probably 1 bomb tech that could dismantle a bomb for every 10,000 security guys.) The odds that these guys that look like security are also bomb techs is infinitesimally low. Then, we have the problem that even if they were bobm techs, they could not possibly have the equipment crammed into those BLACK backpacks (like the one that blew up) to even approach a live bomb.

    [...]

    These are obviously security guys, not bomb squad guys. They could NOT fit a bomb squad bomb-proof suit in those backpacks. They could not even have fit the special helmet.

    [...]

    Your conclusion that the 8 security guys are carrying "bomb technicians equipment" really truly is a near impossible conclusion, much much more UNLIKELY than likely.
    Dennis, you are misrepresenting what I've said. I never said a large, full-sized bomb suit was crammed into the backpacks. Never. I'm reading your posts carefully and I'm fact checking what you say. What you think you know for certain, I fact check it. What I think I know, I fact check it.

    You still haven't acknowledged these pictures.





    The backpack could have contained some customized variation of the above EOD tool kit offered by Tactical Electronics.

    Here is a description of the kit from the website:
    The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools. Its modular design allows the operator to customize the configuration based on the scenario. The kit incorporates removable components as well as provides room for additional equipment as required.

    Source: http://www.tacticalelectronics.com/p...e-eod-tool-kit
    The Craft personnel could have their own customized versions of such a kit. The straps and the type of backpack the Craft operative was wearing is similar in style. Does that mean it's some sort of EOD tool kit? Not by itself it doesn't. Yet, considering the context of the situation it does make sense.

    Craft International even sells compartmentalized backpacks on their website (not EOD kits).



    Source: http://www.511craft.com/All-Products...Backpacks.html

    They could have been carrying some variation of an EOD tool kit around as the least prudent measure if we consider that they were supposed to keep a low profile. It's not a stretch. EOD tool kits such as these (in backpacks) are not movie props and they aren't the most convenient thing to carry for a man in a heavy, bulky bomb suit.

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    If you say those backpacks PROBABLY contained bomb technician equipment, I am going to repeat again: NO they probably DIDN'T. That is illogical, and poorly thought-out speculation on your part.
    When you say things like this it makes me think that you haven't bothered to look at the links I've provided. Again, I go out and research what you say just like I'd research what I post before I post it. Reconsider the pictures above and then tell me it's illogical and poorly thought out.

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    I already went through the scenario about the reality that bomb squad guys don't EVER dismantle ANY bombs unless there is no other choice (for example, someone stuck in an area with a bomb, where they cannot evacuate the person.) This is OUTDOORS.
    I've already addressed this in another thread with you, and you've decided to ignore it. I provided a link, I provided the information which directly counters your argument here. I understand what bomb squad equipment looks like. I understand that it's standard safety procedure to wear the big suits. Those suits are also very heavy, very hot to be in, and very inconvenient if you want to keep a low profile (i.e. not alarm the public).
    Many techniques exist for the safing of a bomb or munition. Selection of a technique depends on several variables. The greatest variable is the proximity of the munition or device to people or critical facilities. Explosives in remote localities are handled very differently from those in densely-populated areas. Contrary to the image portrayed in modern day movies, the role of the modern Bomb Disposal Operator is to accomplish their task as remotely as possible. Actually laying hands on a bomb is only done in an extremely life-threatening situation, where the hazards to people and critical structures cannot be reduced.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_disposal
    I'm not saying your wrong. This isn't about pride and I'm not trying to compete with you. I'm looking at what the information says. The information says that actually laying hands on a bomb for safing procedures is only done when hazards to people and critical structures cannot be reduced. If there was any chance that these hazards couldn't be reduced, then something like an EOD tool kit could be a prudent option to be utilized for a last resort. This was a major event with crowds of people. That seems pretty hazardous to me, and a backpack with some sort of EOD tool kit seems prudent.

    So, if these guys noticed something suspicious or found a bomb then they'd call for backup and attempt to clear the area. Yet, if the hazards couldn't be reduced it would be a good thing for them to have something like an EOD tool kit. It's not that hard to imagine, it's not a random guess, and it's not a stretch.

    If these men where hired for security measures pertaining to a potential bomb threat, then what's in their backpacks Dennis? If they were solely there for security, then what's in their backpacks? You assert that they were just decoys and diversions. Yet, your argument doesn't make sense and there are more reasonable alternatives.

    You have provided nothing but speculation based on some scenario you want to believe in. You're selectively choosing which data you want to acknowledge to fit what ever you've decided is the case. My premise is built by the data, and I'll change it when the evidence says otherwise. So far, you've provided none and refused to acknowledge the evidence that goes against what you've said.

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    The odds that
    • the very unusual concept of backpacks were ordered to be worn by security guys,
    • that they were large black backpacks, and
    • that the backpack containing the bomb was black, and
    • that the security guys never needed to open their backpacks during surveillance work nor after a bomb went off
    is just a coincidence is outrageously low.
    Reconsider this pertaining to the information provided in this post (and elsewhere). Why would they open there bags after a bomb went off? The concept that security guys were wearing backpacks is not unusual considering the context of the situation. Look at the EOD tool kits. How can you confidently state the assertion that they were probably bomb technicians is without thought or merit?

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Yes, it IS a stretch, a huge stretch. Guessing that the black backpacks (that look like the exploded one) contain bomb squad gear is not a sound judgment.
    I'm not guessing Dennis. I'm thinking critically, researching, fact checking, analyzing, and reasoning based on the data. I'm not going to rely on what you say, nor am I going to just guess without anything to back it up. My assumptions are based on the available data, your assumptions are based on a lack of data. There's a critical difference there, it's the same type of difference that separates science from religion.

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Now, do you want to revisit your logic that these security guys were carrying " the necessary equipment to dismantle a bomb in case one of them found one" ?
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    You're ignoring logic here.
    No, I'm not.

    Dennis
    Yes, I've read your post and went back over what I've said. I did rethink it, and what you've provided as counter arguments don't add up. What's in the backpacks? Your answers that they were decoys or diversions don't make sense. I'm sorry, but they don't.

    I've thoroughly read through and considered your posts. I think you should do the same before you reply. This will be the last time I engage you on this subject. I'll be happy to respond to your posts, but I'm not going over this information again. It's here.
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    Quote Posted by Selene (here)
    The idea that "we get bomb threats all the time..." and ignore them! is ludicrous. I've never known a police force to ignore a bomb threat. Except in the case of 9-11, where suspicious FBI agents were ordered to stand down beforehand.

    Either way, the government is somehow implicated here.

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    Selene, if your implying that I said this, I didn't.

    The fact that these hired Craft personnel were there (with those mysterious backpacks), the rumors of the bomb drills, the enhanced security -- those all point to the likelihood that they were aware of a serious threat and were trying to quell/mitigate/prevent it. Not ignore it.
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    Perhaps this will 'cool some of your heels'...

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/military...cst-teams.html

    then again, maybe not. ;-)

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    I think we should be careful calling them 'Craft' personnel. All we see are operatives dressed in 'Craft' outfit (which they sell).

    Amzer already attempted to connect them to the FBI in his update at the bottom of his post on top this page. Multiple layers of deception was also mentioned before by someone else.

    Keep in mind that the operatives

    1. are highly visible
    2. on high resolution photographs
    3. taken over long distances
    4. or from strange angles (above)
    5. the original sources of the photos remain unknown
    6. one suspect (not even convicted) is already dead
    7. the second one is in critical condition and cannot speak/be interrogated

    If the 19 year old dies this case will be attempted to be closed in a wink of an eye. If he survives he will be held away from
    public view. Easy, they will label him a terrorist and with all laws prepared for this they will even lock him up without trial.

    Keep digging people ... it's the only way to expose those stinky practices of those who make the laws but know how not
    to apply them to themselves.

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    full article here:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/04...entryLeadStory

    Quote Bombing suspect throat injury prevents questioning Dzhokhar Tsarnaev for now

    Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is in a hospital, sedated and unable to be interrogated because of a throat injury. Authorities want to know if anyone else was involved.

    By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / April 21, 2013

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev remained sedated and in serious but stable condition at a Boston hospital Sunday, under heavy police guard as investigators prepared to interrogate him about his involvement in the Boston Marathon bombing that shocked the nation.

    While officials are eager to question Tsarnaev, a throat injury prevents them from doing so for now.

    “We don't know if we'll ever be able to question the individual,” Boston Mayor Tom Menino said on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday.

    Authorities have not publicly detailed the injuries he sustained, but they are reported to include gunshot wounds to his neck and leg. An official who had been briefed said Tsarnaev has been "intubated and sedated,” CNN reported.

    "I, and I think all of the law enforcement professionals, are hoping for a host of reasons that the suspect survives, because we have a million questions, and those questions need to be answered,” Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick told reporters Saturday. “There are parts of the investigation, in terms of information and evidence, that still needs to be run to ground.”

    Tsarnaev had been captured Friday night after 24 hours on the run, a period that saw violent confrontations with police – one of which resulted in the death of Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamarlan Tsarnaev – while the Boston area remained locked down.

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    Quote An SUV with U.S. Government plates and a roof-mounted satellite arrived at the scene. It was waved through toward the marathon finish line.
    From: http://situationreports.files.wordpress.com

    Then there is this extensive article on Prison Planet:
    Military Men Witnessed At Boston Bombing Identified As National Guard CST Teams

    So, no private contractors it seems.

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    Apparently the mother was told by the FBI that they were watching her son. If there is any more info on this, that would be interesting.

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    ...
    If these men where hired for security measures pertaining to a potential bomb threat, then what's in their backpacks Dennis? If they were solely there for security, then what's in their backpacks? You assert that they were just decoys and diversions. Yet, your argument doesn't make sense and there are more reasonable alternatives.

    You have provided nothing but speculation based on some scenario you want to believe in. You're selectively choosing which data you want to acknowledge to fit what ever you've decided is the case. My premise is built by the data, and I'll change it when the evidence says otherwise. So far, you've provided none and refused to acknowledge the evidence that goes against what you've said.
    ...

    I'm not guessing Dennis. ...
    ...

    Yes, I've read your post and went back over what I've said. I did rethink it, and what you've provided as counter arguments don't add up. What's in the backpacks? Your answers that they were decoys or diversions don't make sense. I'm sorry, but they don't.

    I've thoroughly read through and considered your posts. I think you should do the same before you reply. This will be the last time I engage you on this subject. ...
    Yes, you are guessing. Unless you know. Do you know? I don't know you or your background, but if you know what was in the backpacks, then you are not guessing. If you don't know, you are guessing. Nothing you have said "counters" my argument; you are merely repeating yours.

    I have read over your words, and you don't get to be elevated to "correct" simply because you repeat them the most times.

    Does the stage magician get to disappear behind the curtain for a few days, and then come back out and "show" us that there is nothing in his hat? Of course not. So, even if someone opens up a black backpack - now - and says "this is what we were carrying", it does not make it true, right? You and I don't know what was in those black backpacks, we will never know, you have no data just a guess, and quite frankly, you are diverting attention away from what I am saying. I don't care what was in the backpacks. Let's say it was bomb disassembly kits. OK? Let's go with that. It makes no difference. Someone ordered those guys to wear those black backpacks (that I have NEVER seen security guys wearing) and then we are shown a photo of an exploded black backpack (and two accused brothers - 1 dead, 1 probably dying - that did NOT have black backpacks. And that raises no red flags for you?

    I did not misrepresent what you said. You NEVER said there were bomb suits in the backpacks, and I never said you did. What I said was that you are ignoring the fact that those security guys would NEVER go towards a bomb with whatever was in their backpacks, because if it was a bomb, they would die. If you want to do some more research, find out if the people who sell bomb "EOD" kits intend for a guy to take one single step toward a bomb with whatever is in the kit and no bomb suit. Did you even read the description?

    Quote "The EOD 2nd Line Tool Kit is designed to augment EOD and bomb technician’s RSP capabilities by providing a variety of essential tools."
    EOD=explosive ordinance device, RSP=render safe procedures

    "Augment." Does this make sense now? A guy in a bomb suit with a bomb helmet might use that kit, not a guy in khakis and a baseball cap. So no, it makes no sense whatsoever that those security guys would be carrying the tools that a bomb technician might use while in a bomb suit. Your argument has been refuted using logic.

    Some sort of explosive device went off. Was it simply the "smoke" in a smoke and mirrors portion of this operation? I am told by my government that a bomb (or two) went off and sprayed nails and ball bearings, but when I look at images of "victims" I see no holes in their skin and no bleeding wounds, just torn clothing and static "blood." I am shown images of two boys, that did not have black backpacks, and exploded black backpack, and 8 security guys wearing black backpacks.

    If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, simply pay no attention to me.

    (For what it's worth, I think the security guys were contingency-patsies, not co-conspirators. If they are good guys, Craft private security guys or DHS guys or National Guard and they were simply ordered to wear those backpacks, then I suspect their lives are in danger because by now they know they were set-up as contingency patsies in this operation.)


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    Well, at least one mystery solved along with a vindication of Vivek's theory:

    Quote After days of speculation and calls for officials to provide an explanation, it has emerged that the unidentified military style group pictured at the scene of the Boston bombing both before and after the explosions could be National Guard Civil Support Teams (CSTs) that were pre-scheduled to be at the event.

    CSTs are The National Guard’s full-time response force for emergencies or terrorist events involving weapons of mass destruction, toxic chemicals, or natural disasters. CSTs are routinely pre-staged at large public events to help mitigate risks and assist civilian authorities.

    A report published on silive on Saturday, notes that Defense Secretary Hagel has decided to rescind a decision to defund 24th National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Team (WMD-CST). The team is described as “The only U.S. military team assigned to New York City to support first responders in case of a disaster.”

    Within the report it is stated that “Members of the New York unit were less than a block away from the deadly the April 15 explosions at the Boston Marathon. They were part of a survey squad deployed at the request of their counterpart unit in Massachusetts.”

    The report notes that “Each U.S. state and territory has at least one of the specially trained National Guard response teams,” and that “WMD-CSTs are trained to provide rapid military support to civil authorities in the event of a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear threat.”

    This would explain why one of the military men was pictured holding a radiation monitoring device in the immediate aftermath of the bombing.


    Full article at: http://www.prisonplanet.com/military...cst-teams.html

    What remains is that these "pros" missed it and let it happen right under their nose...

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    My take is that these guys weren't there for rescue or crowd control or inspection of the blast site like the fully green-geared bomb squad individual... none of that.

    I suspect they were there to spot who would look suspect in dropping a bag in the area... therefore there must have been a bomb threat warning (another FBI plot?) for them to be on the look out... and they missed it! Not good publicity for the ["CST"] outfit.

    [...]

    ... and considering the above options and those of this post, what boggles the mind is that these operatives "missed it" in spite of, presumably, having beforehand data on the situation for them to be [called] on the job in the first place. These are "pros" and they "missed it"?

    A shaped charged (designed to propel the shrapnel in a specific direction) is also the work of "pros."

    Hence, are we witnessing a battle between "pros" as suspected by Lt Col. Potter or are all of them conniving for the fueling of the terror grip on the US and world population?


    Update:

    Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the ["CST"] crew:


    Updated picture (Larger resolution at: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2...BI_Arrives.jpg)
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

    Update:

    Not sure what kind of gun is smoking but here is the official connection between FBI and the ["CST"] crew:


    Larger resolution at: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v7CFtUlpn2...BI_Arrives.jpg
    Amzer Zo,

    With relation to the connections, you may find some information in this PDF helpful. I've been paging through it today.


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    Here you go lets change the pace a bit......

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