Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[Hervé]

What do you know...

From http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ing-suspect/#:

No Gun in the Boat? Key Details Change in Chaotic Shootout and Subsequent Capture of Boston Bombing Suspect
Apr. 25, 2013 7:47am Billy Hallowell

As officials release more information about the Boston bombings — and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s capture, in particular – key details previously advanced by authorities are changing. Among them, some police sources are now claiming that the 19-year-old suspect was not armed while hiding in a boat last Friday. But that’s only a sliver of the new information that seems to contradict previous reports about the chaotic manhunt.

The New York Times published an article on Thursday morning, highlighting some of these issues and corrections. To begin, not only did Dzhokar reportedly not have a gun in the boat, but it appears that police may have only found one other weapon that is traceable back to his brother, Tamerlan. This means that the brothers didn’t necessarily have an arsenal, as was previously assumed.


Plus, there’s the issue of how the brothers first came to the attention of officers — one that also deserves a second look. It was the murder of Officer Sean A. Collier that apparently set the chaotic evening’s event’s in motion last Thursday.

According to authorities, the Tsarnaev brothers were purportedly trying to get Collier’s gun when they allegedly killed him. Evidence at the scene apparently corroborates this theory, as the two were, according to sources, unable to get the weapon out of its holster.

The Times continues:

Police officials initially announced that officers had “exchanged gunfire” Friday evening with the surviving suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, as he hid in a boat in the backyard of a house in Watertown, Mass. Now several law enforcement officials say no gun was found in the boat, and officials say they are exploring what prompted officers to fire at Mr. Tsarnaev, who some feared was armed with explosives.

Law enforcement officials now say they have recovered only one gun elsewhere, which they believe was used by Mr. Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamerlan — not the three previously reported. And initial reports that the brothers first came to the attention of the police after robbing a 7-Eleven were wrong. The police were called to a gas station convenience store early Friday after a man who said he had been carjacked by the marathon bombers escaped and sought help.

The gun issue is particularly intriguing, as the Daily Mail notes, because media coverage to date has essentially advanced the notion that Dzhokhar was engaged in a firefight with police from inside of the boat before he was apprehended. Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis had also apparently said that a firefight unfolded — and a previous Times piece noted that an M4 rifle was found on the board, Daily Mail reports.

Most notably, if no gun was on the boat, then it’s impossible for Dzhokhar to have shot himself; his injuries, in this case, were potentially sustained before he went into hiding (possibly during the gunfight that killed his brother).


If the latest information from authorities is true, the previous gun claims have now been debunked. Again, this paints a very different picture from accounts that previously circulated. Take, for instance, NBC News’ coverage from a few days ago about the purportedly showdown that unfolded between Dzhokar and authorities:

Over the course of two hours, several bursts of gunfire could be heard. The police exchanged fire with Tsarnaev, threw flash-bang grenades designed to disorient him and brought a negotiator to the scene as night fell, officials said.

Just before 9 p.m., the wounded Tsarnaev was taken into custody. “He sustained significant blood loss,” a law enforcement official at the scene said.

And, as the AP and TheBlaze previously reported, U.S. officials also said Wednesday that physical evidence, including a 9 mm handgun and pieces of a remote-control device commonly used in toys, was recovered from the bombing scene. This showcases that the bombs were potentially controlled by the two suspects from a reasonable distance. The Atlantic adds more details:

Aside from the new details about the shootout, it was also revealed on Wednesday night that the Tsarnaev brothers used a remote control to detonate the bombs on Marathon Monday. According to Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, a Maryland Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, it was the same kind of remote control used for remote control cars. And according to CBS News, it was bought with drug money. We already knew that Dzhokhar was a pothead and potential dealer, but the latest reports suggest that Tamerlan got in on the action, too. This leads to the natural conclusion that the bombing, somehow, was funded by their drug money. But honestly, it’s very tough to tell how they got the money they spent on the bombs.

The Times went to great lengths to document some of the finer details of the events that unfolded on Thursday and Friday. Read the entire post, which extensively highlights the most important moments, here.

[Hervé]

More of the circus which lends credence to Lt. Col. Potter's view of different factions fighting each others, from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ehqrLE-BSLJTL:


Megyn Kelly’s Surprise Revelation: FBI Was ‘Shocked’ to See Judge ‘Waltz’ in and Give Suspect Miranda Rights
Apr. 25, 2013 10:04am Jonathon M. Seidl

Regular viewers of Fox News are used to seeing popular host Megyn Kelly on their televisions every afternoon, but on Thursday morning Kelly made a special appearance during the morning to break some surprising information: according to her sources, the FBI was “shocked” to see a magistrate “waltz into” the hospital room of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and read him his Miranda rights.

So why were they shocked? According to Kelly, the FBI was under the understanding that they would get much more time with Tsarnaev under the “public safety exemption” before he was read his rights. Adding to the shock: the sources told Kelly agents were getting crucial information after only 16 hours of questioning and were making valuable progress.

No matter.

“It’s really unbelievable,” Kelly said.

“The FBI had no idea they were sending over the judge, the prosecutor, the federal public defender; and the FBI said they were only 16 hours into what they understood would be a 48 hour period of questioning … . They said they were in the process of getting valuable information … and as soon as that magistrate judge went in there and gave him his rights with his lawyer present, he stopped talking. They said they would never have stopped interrogating him prior to the 48 hours unless they were forced to.”

“These officials with knowledge of the proceedings say they believe our national security may have been compromised by the decision to send that judge in there so soon after the filing of the criminal complaint.”

Watch her reveal the information below starting at about 2:30 :

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...IehqrLE-BSLJTL


A Foxnews.com story alludes to information Kelly clearly laid out:

Two officials with knowledge of the FBI briefing on Capitol Hill said the FBI was against stopping the investigators’ questioning and was stunned that the judge, Justice Department prosecutors and public defenders showed up, feeling valuable intelligence may have been sacrificed as a result.

The FBI had been questioning Tsarnaev for 16 hours before the judge called a start to the court proceeding, officials familiar with the Capitol Hill briefing told Fox News.

The exact timeline is unclear. A transcript of the court proceeding shows Bowler asking a doctor if Tsarnaev was “alert.”

“You can rouse him,” she says in the transcript.

“How are you feeling? Are you able to answer some questions?” the doctor asks Tsarnaev, who nods.

Although Bowler advised Tsarnaev, an ethnic Chechen and U.S. citizen, of his Miranda rights, it remains to be seen whether anything he told investigators before Bowler arrived can be admitted as evidence against him — or whether such interrogations would even be needed to convict him, given the amount of other evidence referenced in the criminal complaint signed by FBI Special Agent Daniel Genck.

If true, the information could have resounding implications.

[jackovesk]

Like some here at Avalon, I must say I had an eery feeling in the 1st part of this year leading up to this event...

& what's even worse...

I've still got it...

[jackovesk]

CARJACK VICTIM RECOUNTS HIS HARROWING NIGHT

By Eric Moskowitz, Globe Staff

04/25/2013 9:36 PM


A Shell gas station located at River Street and Memorial Drive in Cambriged was roped off at 12:45 a.m. on April 19


The 26-year-old Chinese entrepreneur had just pulled his new Mercedes to the curb on Brighton Avenue to answer a text when an old sedan swerved behind him, slamming on the brakes. A man in dark clothes got out and approached the passenger window. It was nearly 11 p.m. last Thursday.

The man rapped on the glass, speaking quickly. Danny, unable to hear him, lowered the window -- and the man reached an arm through, unlocked the door, and climbed in, brandishing a silver handgun.

“Don’t be stupid,” he told Danny. He asked if he had followed the news about Monday’s Boston Marathon bombings. Danny had, down to the release of the grainy suspect photos less than six hours earlier.

“I did that,” said the man, who would later be identified as Tamerlan Tsarnaev. “And I just killed a policeman in Cambridge.”

He ordered Danny to drive -- right on Fordham Road, right again on Commonwealth Avenue -- the beginning of an achingly slow odyssey last Thursday night and Friday morning in which Danny felt the possibility of death pressing on him like a vise.

In an exclusive interview with the Globe on Thursday, Danny -- the victim of the Tsarnaev brothers’ much-discussed but previously little-understood carjacking -- filled in some of the last missing pieces in the timeline between the murder of MIT police officer Sean Collier, just before 10:30 p.m. on April 18, and the Watertown shootout that ended just before 1 a.m. Danny asked that he be identified only by his American nickname.

The story of that night unfolds like a Tarantino movie, bursts of harrowing action laced with dark humor and dialogue absurd for its ordinariness, reminders of just how young the men in the car were. Girls, credit limits for students, the marvels of the Mercedes ML 350 and the iPhone 5, whether anyone still listens to CDs -- all were discussed by the two 26-year-olds and the 19-year-old driving around on a Thursday night.

Danny described 90 harrowing minutes, first with the younger brother following in a second car, then with both brothers in the Mercedes, where they openly discussed driving to New York, though Danny could not make out if they were planning another attack. Throughout the ordeal, he did as they asked while silently analyzing every threatened command, every overheard snatch of dialogue for clues about where and when they might kill him.

“Death is so close to me,” Danny recalled thinking. His life had until that moment seemed ascendant, from a province in central China to graduate school at Northeastern University to a Kendall Square start-up.

“I don’t want to die,” he thought. “I have a lot of dreams that haven’t come true yet.”

After a zigzagging trek through Brighton, Watertown, and back to Cambridge, Danny would seize his chance for escape at the Shell Station on Memorial Drive, his break turning on two words -- “cash only” -- that had rarely seemed so welcome.

When the younger brother, Dzhokhar, was forced to go inside the Shell Food Mart to pay, older brother Tamerlan put his gun in the door pocket to fiddle with a navigation device -- letting his guard down briefly after a night on the run. Danny then did what he had been rehearsing in his head. In a flash, he unbuckled his seat belt, opened the door, stepped through, slammed it behind, and sprinted off at an angle that would be a hard shot for any marksman.

“F---!” he heard Tamerlan say, feeling the rush of a near-miss grab at his back, but the man did not follow. Danny reached the haven of a Mobil station across the street, seeking cover in the supply room, shouting for the clerk to call 911.

His quick-thinking escape, authorities say, allowed police to swiftly track down the Mercedes, abating a possible attack by the brothers on New York City and precipitating a wild shootout in Watertown that would seriously wound one officer, kill Tamerlan, and leave a severely injured Dzhokhar hiding in the neighborhood. He was caught the following night, ending a harrowing week across Greater Boston.

Danny spoke softly but steadily in a 2 1/2 hour interview at his Cambridge apartment with a Globe reporter and a Northeastern criminology professor, James Alan Fox , who had counseled Danny after the former graduate student approached his engineering adviser at Northeastern.

Danny, who offered his account only on the condition that the Globe not reveal his Chinese name, said he does not want attention. But he suspects his full name may come out if and when he testifies against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

“I don’t want to be a famous person talking on the TV,” Danny said, kneading his hands, uncomfortable with the praise he has received from the few friends he has shared the story with, some of whom encouraged him to go public. “I don’t feel like a hero. ... I was trying to save myself.”

Danny, trained as an engineer, made scrupulous mental notes of street signs and passing details, even as he abided the older Tsarnaev’s command not to study his face.

“Don’t look at me!” Tamerlan shouted at one point. “Do you remember my face?”

“No, no, I don’t remember anything,” he said.

Tamerlan laughed. “It’s like white guys, they look at black guys and think all black guys look the same,” he said. “And maybe you think all white guys look the same.”

“Exactly,” Danny said, though he thought nothing of the sort. It was one of many moments in their mental chess match, Danny playing up his outsider status in America and playing down his wealth -- he claimed the car was older than it was, and he understated his lease payments -- in a desperate hope of extending his life.

Danny had come to the US in 2009 for a master’s degree, graduated in January 2012, and returned to China to await a work visa. He came back two months ago, leasing a Mercedes and moving into a high-rise with two Chinese friends while diving into a startup. But he told Tamerlan he was still a student, and that he had been here barely a year. It seemed to help that Tamerlan had trouble understanding even Danny’s pronunciation of the word “China.”

“Oh, that’s why your English is not very good,” the brother replied, finally figuring it out. “OK, you’re Chinese ... I’m a Muslim.”

“Chinese are very friendly to Muslims!” Danny said. “We are so friendly to Muslims.”

When the ordeal had started, Danny prayed it would be a quick robbery. Tamerlan demanded money, but Danny had just $45 in cash -- kept in the armrest -- and a wallet full of plastic. Evidently disappointed to get so little out of holding up a $50,000 car, he told Danny to drive. The old sedan followed.

“Relax,” Tamerlan said, when Danny’s nerves made it hard for him to stay in the lane. Danny, recalling the moment, said “my heart is pounding so fast.”

They lapped Brighton and crossed the Charles River into Watertown, following Arsenal Street. Looking through Danny’s wallet, Tamerlan asked for his ATM code -- a friend’s birthdate.

Directed to a quiet neighborhood in East Watertown, Danny pulled up as told on an unfamiliar side street. The sedan stopped behind him. A man approached -- the skinnier, floppy-haired “Suspect No. 2” in the photos and videos released by investigators earlier that evening -- and Tamerlan got out, ordering Danny into the passenger seat, making it clear if he tried anything he would shoot him. For several minutes, the brothers transferred heavy objects from the smaller car into Danny’s SUV. “Luggage,” Danny thought.

With Tamerlan driving now, Danny in the passenger seat, and Dzhokhar behind Danny, they stopped in Watertown Center so Dzhokhar could withdraw money from the Bank of America ATM using Danny’s card. Danny, shivering from fear but claiming to be cold, asked for his jacket. Guarded by just one brother, Danny wondered if this was his chance, but he saw around him only locked storefronts. A police car drove by, lights off.

Tamerlan agreed to retrieve Danny’s jacket from the back seat. Danny unbuckled, put on the jacket, then tried to buckle the seatbelt behind him to make an escape easier.

“Don’t do that,” Tamerlan said, studying him. “Don’t be stupid.”

Danny thought about his burgeoning startup and about a girl he secretly liked in New York. “I think, ‘Oh my god, I have no chance to meet you again,’ ” he recalled.

Dzhokhar was back now. “We both have guns,” Tamerlan said, though Danny had not seen a second weapon.

He overheard them speak in a foreign language -- “Manhattan” the only intelligible word to him -- and then ask in English if Danny’s car could be driven out of state. “What do you mean?” Danny said, confused. “Like New York,” one of the brothers said.

They continued west on Route 20, in the direction of Waltham and Interstate 95, passing a police station. Danny tried to send telepathic messages to the officers inside, imagined dropping and rolling from the moving car.

Tamerlan asked him to turn on and demonstrate the radio. The older brother then quickly flipped through stations, seemingly avoiding the news. He asked if Danny had any CDs. No, he replied, he listens to music on his phone. The tank nearly empty, they stopped at a gas station, but the pumps were closed.

Doubling back, they returned to the Watertown neighborhood -- “Fairfield Street,” Danny saw on the sign this time -- and grabbed a few more things from the parked car, but nothing from the trunk. They put on an instrumental CD that sounded to Danny like a call to prayer.

Suddenly, Danny’s iPhone buzzed. A text from his roommate, wondering in Chinese where he was. Barking at Danny for instructions, Tamerlan used an English-to-Chinese app to text a clunky reply. “I am sick. I am sleeping in a friend’s place tonight.” In a moment, another text, then a call. No one answered. Seconds later, the phone rang again.

“If you say a single word in Chinese, I will kill you right now,” Tamerlan said. Danny understood. His roommate’s boyfriend was on the other end, speaking Mandarin. “I’m sleeping in my friend’s home tonight,” Danny replied in English. “I have to go.”

“Good boy,” Tamerlan said. “Good job.”

The SUV headed for the lights of Soldiers Field Road, banking across River Street to the two open gas stations. Dzhokhar went to fill up using Danny’s credit card, but quickly knocked on the window. “Cash only,” he said, at least at that hour. Tamerlan peeled off $50.

Danny watched Dzhokhar head to the store, struggling to decide if this was his moment -- until he stopped thinking about it, and let reflexes kick in.

“I was thinking I must do two things: unfasten my seatbelt and open the door and jump out as quick as I can. If I didn’t make it, he would kill me right out, he would kill me right away,” Danny said. “I just did it. I did it very fast, using my left hand and right hand simultaneously to open the door, unfasten my seatbelt, jump out...and go.”

The car faced west, upriver. Danny sprinted between the passenger side of the Mercedes and the pumps and darted into the street, not looking back, drawn to the lights of the Mobil.

“I didn’t know if it was open or not,” he said. “In that moment, I prayed.”

The brothers took off. The clerk, after brief confusion, dialed 911 on a portable phone, bringing it to Danny in the storeroom. The dispatcher told him to take a deep breath. The officers, arriving in minutes, took his story -- with Danny noting that the car could be tracked by his iPhone and by a two-way Mercedes satellite system known as mbrace. The clerk gave him a bottled water.

After an hour or more talking to authorities -- as the shootout and manhunt erupted in Watertown -- police brought Danny out to East Watertown for a “drive-by lineup,” studying faces of detained suspects in the street from the safety of a cruiser. He recognized none of them. He spent the night talking to local and state police and the FBI, appreciating the kindness of a state trooper who gave him a bagel and coffee. At 3 the next afternoon, they dropped Danny back in Cambridge.

“I think, Tamerlan is dead, I feel good, obviously safer. But the younger brother -- I don’t know,” Danny recalled thinking, wondering if Dzhokhar had discovered his address and would come looking for him. But the police knew the wallet and registration were still in the bullet-riddled Mercedes, and that a wounded Dzhokhar had likely not gotten very far. That night, they found him in a boat.

When news of the capture broke last Friday, Danny’s roommate called out to him from in front of the living room television. Danny was on the phone at the time, talking to the girl in New York.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013...JNN/story.html

PS - Could'nt really think of what to say..?

Instead, I'll use this (flying-pig) smiley...

[Cidersomerset]

Stella Tremblay, New Hampshire Legislator, Says U.S. Government Planned Boston Bombing
Friday, 26 April 2013 11:16
Posted by David Icke



'A Republican state legislator in New Hampshire is claiming that the United States
government is responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing.

State Rep. Stella Tremblay (R-Auburn) posted on conservative talk show host Glenn
Beck's Facebook page Friday that the attack and the subsequent search for
suspects was playing out how Beck had suggested.She said the bombings were a
plot by the federal government, and included a link to a video from another
conservative talk show host Alex Jones, in which Jones also claims the federal
government planned the bombing. Tremblay's message to Beck was posted Friday
morning, before suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was arrested.'

Read more ...Huffington Post doing some Alex Jones Bashing and calls Tella Tremblay a nut...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...--------------

N.H. state rep. thinks Boston Marathon bombing was done by the government

'New Hampshire State Rep. Stella Tremblay is calling for answers about whether
the American government was involved in detonating explosives at the Boston
Marathon last week, killing three people and wounding more than 170 others.

In an interview with Foster's Daily Democrat Tuesday, Tremblay said she can't rule
out the possibility the government was involved in carrying out the bombings.'

Read more ...
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll...720/-1/FOSNEWS

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/8...representative

[Slorri]

Posted by Slorri (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
My turn to speculate...

Look at the blast spot and look for something? Someone? Jeff? being blown up in the air:




The blast didn't crack the side walk pavement but it sure was strong enough to blow something/someone up in the air...

Can you point to what you are seeing?
I see some yellow balloons move about and one piece of paper being blown up.

Hey people!
Take a look at the animated gif Amzer Zo posted here.

Just by the black lamp pole there is a yellow balloon drifting behind it; And to the right of that is a person in yellow clothes holding something above his head, pouring out grey smoke, and he is then putting it down in front of him, just about on the spot where the victims lay.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[InCiDeR]

Welll, this is one of the best videos so far that indicates that actors are involved in Boston bombings:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread Here), but not two... the second person is shown in this video. The probabilty for that is ridiculous.

Where is all the blood? All blood that is shown in later pictures? Shouldn't there be lots of blood directly after the blast?

Some comments from youtube regarding this video:

Starting @ 0:23 , you'll notice Mr Bauman in the upper center of the screen.A black woman in a red jacket is between his "blown off legs",also on the other side of them is a man in a dark jacket,grey hoodie and shades(although he really isn't clear here,he is there)and we can see clearly,a hand sliding on Jeff's prosthetic stump!!!Holy ****in ****!!!People need to share this now before it is taken down!!

Wait, I watched the young man in the middle whose plants were shredded to ribbons, (no blood, no lacerations, no broken bones, no cuts, no swelling...IMPOSSIBLE for the tight jeans to rip in asymmetrical fashion with NO flesh wounds. Watch him first stand up- no blood, no redness. HE SQUEEZES A BOTTLE OF SOMETHING ON HIS RIGHT LEG, and falls to the pavement. It is just a couple frames, but look for it. Watch his right hand and right leg after he spins, at 0:28 and 0:29 you can see the tube

Have you noticed his back pocket has fake blood packet

it appears he is puncturing fake blood packets under his torn pants

Notice the man dead center, from seating he stands, appears to grab something from his backside and then turns and sits, I believe he is placing his blood. If you go to the HD images on flickr and the other shots online, you can piece together the movements of all the actors. The heavy woman in the brown sweatshirt is seen clearly handing blood packets off to two different people. The woman that the man with the red jacket is helping also places blood with both her hands.

notice how two actors, the older man who starts off next to the woman who is helped by the man in the red jacket, but then he crawls over to the railing, some ten feet. Also the elderly woman in the shredded blue coat, moves quite a bit from her position.
The blond woman seen sitting with her legs out front of her and her hands on the ground, she starts the seen as a cover for the hooded sunglasses man, who is applying the amputee's fakery. Everyone with torn clothes has not visible wounds!!!!

Are any the 3 fatalities seen in the videos?

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... and the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper...

[InCiDeR]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FrbLERTPpaU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xvOyyoCoV6A

EDIT: Slowmotion

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u28PxGdI_UI

This is getting silly....

If there are actors involved in this event begs the question: What kind of people would do such things?

EDIT: Some believe it is a towel that he throws. It could be of course.... but why?

[Cidersomerset]

Boston Marathon Bombing - Guy Makes Dust Over Injured People

If they were actors , this scene would have been rehearsed until
it looks normal. I've been on stage many times when I did carnival
concerts and we were all amateurs and we learn't our routines
and positioning so that if we were out of sink the audience
would not know, unless it was bleeding obvious.

It looks like he's using a dust prop to add to the illusion.
If he is not doing that, I don't know why he would pour
powder/dust over real casualties ?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u28PxGdI_UI

As in most of these vids we could just do with a
few more frames !!

[Hervé]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video, if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?

[Slorri]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video, if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

[Hervé]

Posted by Slorri (here)
[...]

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

Have another look at his FEET!

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

I can buy that one person got his clothes ripped apart without a scratch on his body (photo shown previously in this thread)...

[...]

Which one are you exactly referring to?

As for this video, if you look at his feet instead of his hands, you may be able to see why I conclude this guy to be unable to stand on his feet.

Then if you look at the bared-leg foot of the girl in front of him before he falls down, you may be able to notice the angle said foot makes with the rest of her leg?

Also, take a good look at the legs of the "runaway guy" and -- maybe -- count the scratches?

So, have another look at that video and watch it frame by frame... hopefully, you'll be able to trust your own eyes?

Yes, you are right Amer Zo. I missed the blood on his feet because when I use full screen and toggle frame by frame, I have a border that cover that area of the video. So I used another program and immediately saw what you were refering to, good catch! But that is also the only blood I discovered so far in the video. There are other people whose naked skin does not have any scratches or blood as far as I can see, and that is very strange. Regarding that guy that runs away, I froze a frame, and on his legs I couldn't discover any scratches either... but of course, it is hard to tell, maybe he have some that the video doesn't show.

By the way, I updated my previous post with a link to the first guy with clothes ripped apart that I was refering to.

Nice, I like it when we helping eachother investigating this event!


EDIT: Regarding those "dust" videos a few posts above. Some comments on youtube believe it is a towel. What you all think about that?

[Slorri]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Slorri (here)
[...]

The guy in the middle, in green and black, and torn pants. He doesn't fall down. He stands up, with clean legs, and then spray something on to his legs so they become dark, grey and black, and then sit down again.

Have another look at his FEET!

Yes, and also look at the large yellow suit that he is climbing out of.
He has sat down on the ground and takes off the yellow suit. Underneath he has his torn pants. The guy with the camera takes the yellow suit, we can clearly see that. Then the other guy stand up, sprays his legs, and sit down again.

This is the guy who was in the yellow suit just befor and held the smoke generator above his head, and placed it on the ground, just as the flash bomb went off.

[Slorri]

Watch the cameraman in green take the yellow suit and walk away, backwards as it seems.

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Slorri (here)

Yes, and also look at the large yellow suit that he is climbing out of.
He has sat down on the ground and takes off the yellow suit. Underneath he has his torn pants. The guy with the camera takes the yellow suit, we can clearly see that. Then the other guy stand up, sprays his legs, and sit down again.

This is the guy who was in the yellow suit just befor and held the smoke generator above his head, and placed it on the ground, just as the flash bomb went off.

Sorry, but for me that yellow suit appears to be an older guy in front of the person with torn pants, he crawls away towards the guy with the camera... or are my eyes playing tricks on me?!

I used this video to catch that:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cwZv_fsXEes

Here is a frozen frame:

[Hervé]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

By the way, I updated my previous post with a link to the first guy with clothes ripped apart that I was refering to.

Nice, I like it when we helping eachother investigating this event!

So, this guy:

My previous post regarding this guy was complete sarcasm from the fact that the pic's legend says no scratch in spite of his legs displaying plenty of 'em scratches. But of course one does need to look...

But that is also the only blood I discovered so far in the video.

From my estimation, the whole clip was taken within the first 15 -20 seconds after the initial flash, that's before the smoke comes back down.

It seems, also, that no one finds it odd that he is no longer wearing shoes... just bloody socks...

Look at the spot he was sitting over... fresh blood there.

Look at his left calf when he turns around and start falling down (no blood but charred + white stuff sticking on his calf).

Look at the knees of the lady in red sweater and black jacket sitting in front of him at the beginning of the clip.

Look at the lady's twisted foot.

Look at the right hand of the guy in the the grey hoodie, sitting behind the black lady in front of Jeff, when he moves it.

Have another look at the runaway guy's legs and compare to the pictures I posted above.

The best way I found to look at the video was to download it and view it full screen and take screen captures of each frame and review those. But, in any case, one does need to LOOK!

[Hervé]

The "yellow suit" is an older, bald guy on all four crawling out of the spot he fell down to and who then came to sit down behind the guy in red jacket with the bleeding lady in black jacket and red sweater in front of him (that would be best seen when flipping individual frames from screen captures at regular speed):

I guess it is worth repeating: LOOK!

[turiya]

I've posted this one before with a link, but will embed it here, as it goes with the other Jeff Bauman vid...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-7l73BxWr0Q

And, I hope nobody has posted this before, but here's, yet, another one...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zkXvxs_kzLU

Jeff Bauman

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Certainly, there is a big difference in the way they handled the two different so-called "bomb sites". But, then again, lots of people wear these "Team Stork" shirts... and the so-called missing finger is a bit hard to be certain that it is actually missing, imo. The image of his left hand needs further analysis - somebody with a high def imaging program or HD screen, could perhaps bring out the detail better.



turiya

[PurpleLama]

For anyone interested, a recent interview of Joseph P. Farrell discussing this topic and more....


http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/Jos...pr2013_TBS.mp3