The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by nevermnd (here)
A big thanks from me to all of you that keep sharing your personal experiences in this thread.
I will be the first to say that I was pretty hesitant to the idea of meditation at first.

... I was relaxed, grounded and focus on stillness but all I saw was darkness, without any particular feeling associated with it.
It's also worth mentioning that stillness in meditation feels to me like some sort of tinnitus - which in western medicine is a rather a negative medical condition related to one's hearing.
At this point I stopped worried about how the stillness "should" feel like (thanks for the warning on that earlier on) and just accepted what I'm experiencing now and focus on that feeling/sound.
About two weeks ago I switched from doing the exercise #24 to Feeling the Aliveness question. At first couple of tries, it was more of the same, it felt just "OK", I was grounded, focused on the stillness but nothing would come. Then for the first time I started to see an orangy-red color, coming from the bottom of my peripheral vision - it felt warm and cozy. I got "there" by repeating in my mind "how does it feel to be alive" over and over and over again.

I do my meditation in a semi comfortable foldable "camping chair" in front of the window that faces west. About 10 days ago I came home and really wanted to do Feeling the Aliveness again. It was early evening, very cloudy - almost overcast weather outside. I sat down as usual, grounded myself and started to focus on the breath (that's how I get to stillness fairly quickly). I was sitting there facing the window with my eyes closed for about 20 minutes, I kept asking "how does it feel to be alive" and finally, something happened. I could feel on my face that the clouds were breaking and the sun was slowly coming out starting to shine directly on my face. It was during that moment that I felt the happiest joy that I ever experienced to date. It lasted very short amount of time, probably 2 seconds or less.
I think a lot of you know the "normal" feeling when on the overcast day the sun unexpectedly breaks through the clouds and start shining directly on your face - it feels good and warm, if you multiply that feeling by 100, that's about what I felt at that time, during meditation with my eyes closed.
After the initial surge of joy, I saw a glimmering white light, It felt like I was a point suspended in the huge bright white vast space that had no end. There was no horizon line, no ground and no sky just that white light everywhere. After a little while I started to loose my focus, and I felt like I was "falling" down the colors, very similar to the feeling of falling down straight on your back when you are about to fall asleep or are waking up. I don't remember what was the order of those colors, but I did managed to re focused for one last moment and stopped at the color of light purple / pink. It was the same feeling of vast space as before. I even remembered at that time to say in my mind "awareness now" and "clarity now" but nothing happened. I soon started to fall through the blue color and finally down to the grey at which point I opened my eyes and saw, that indeed the sun broke through the clouds and was just starting to set on the horizon.
I also would like mention that just like teradactyl mentioned earlier, every time I write these posts here, my ego is telling me that what I wrote is "stupid" and I should not click send
Off it goes!

Of course your ego desperately wanted you to believe you would be silly making that post and sharing your breakthrough, nevermnd! Surely it’s obvious what its motives for that would be? I love it when the ego gets exposed like that.

I'd like to thank everyone too for sharing so much lately. Everyone else has either experienced something similar, or will probably experience something at least vaguely similar in the future if they continue far enough.

Congratulations on your breakthrough, nevermnd. Congratulations even on being willing to try meditation when initially it was difficult for you to get into it.

Many people who meditate for an hour or so daily seem to go through months of experiencing nothing but darkness or “fog”. So, your post is hopefully reassuring for anyone else who’s going through something similar. That darkness, and much of that “fog”, is the unawareness of the ego. It will weaken and go away most of the time, eventually. Stillness makes it dissolve. It’s very helpful to work at other ways to lessen the ego’s influence too – such as intuitive self-enquiry or psychotherapy or energy work. (Sorry to be so repetitious.)

Beyond the emptiness, the darkness there lie the higher realms. The lights and colors you experienced would have been in some higher dimension, between 4D and 7D in the terminology I’ve been using.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
What I have believed this entity to be, is Mother Earth. Either Gaia, or some aspect or messenger from her. I felt that she was incredibly kind... infinitely powerful and yet immensely benevolent.

Hi Freed Fox
Thanks for this interesting post...I too have had this experience and I think this little statement you have made is very overlooked by many who think they are not linked to mother earth. I hear so many people talk of sovereignty as if they are in a world of their own and free and separate from all. This kind of thinking does not take into account the fact that we are all...from a much higher perspective...one and the same Being.

Getting back to the snake and kundalini and mother earth...we should remember that kundalini, in fact, is an evolutionary force and is centered...or it emanates from the center of the earth...as an 'atom'. Actually one cannot experience kundalini if we are not incarnated in a physical body...our Spiritual evolution is thus directly linked to incarnation into lower realms of existence. This force is what drives the earth along it's path of evolution and it takes all who inhabit the earth along for the ride. Our involvement with earth as a planet is much deeper than we suspect.

Kundalini whelms up from the centre of the earth and the experience we have...from this force...is not necessarily always a feeling of love. Some have experienced great pain and destruction of their body as a result of it's vast potential...this is the reason we always are told to be mindful and aware of methods used to invoke this force in meditation and other practices. It is wise to let this force take it's natural course, and in doing so our experiences will be a lot more gentle. This is all about balance again.

One of the practices in Tantra, as an example, is to stem or hold this force at the sacral chakra to induce a supposed feeling of sexual ecstacy...but this can be fatal if we get trapped into thinking that this is real enlightenment and many have ended up slaves to sex because of this practice.

The enlightenment we are seeking is the spiritual light from the HS which is from 'above'...and yes, most certainly, kundalini plays it part. Kundalini burns through the body and causes evolution...whilst spiritual enlightenment regulates this force by opening and activating the chakras which in turn changes the resistance to allow this force to pass through us without harm to our bodies. So it is should be seen as a part of the system of enlightenment...once it breaks through the head chakra we become one with the planetary logos...a great moment in our awareness on this planet...remember we are here to expand our consciousness by the manipulation of lower order matter.

As we progress with our connection or with the bridging of the gap between the lower mind and the higher mind...which is what we are trying to achieve, by letting the HS/Soul in...we start to become aware of the light in our head when we do meditation...or in moments when we are just still.

I see this light everyday and it is warm and incredibly bright in my head. For me it started as a small white light towards the back and to the left of my head...when you try to turn your focus on it it seems to disappear and you can only become aware of it when you just let it be there without thinking about it. The light eventually grows in size until it floods your whole head and extends beyond the borders of the physical head. This light is extremely comforting and you want it never to go away...it makes me want to work at every fault and conflict I have in life so it never leaves me...it drives me to become a better person...and my life has become a great joy.

Take care
Ray

[Swan]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
...or in moments when we are just still.

I see this light everyday and it is warm and incredibly bright in my head. For me it started as a small white light towards the back and to the left of my head...when you try to turn your focus on it it seems to disappear and you can only become aware of it when you just let it be there without thinking about it. The light eventually grows in size until it floods your whole head and extends beyond the borders of the physical head. This light is extremely comforting and you want it never to go away...it makes me want to work at every fault and conflict I have in life so it never leaves me...it drives me to become a better person...and my life has become a great joy.

Take care
Ray

I feel it when I am still.

I do not see light, but the sensation of connectedness is at the back of my head ( although in the center ), a tingling of energy that runs through my body. I feel it most in my head, heart and hands.

And yes, it is extremely comforting.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Swan (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
...or in moments when we are just still.

I see this light everyday and it is warm and incredibly bright in my head. For me it started as a small white light towards the back and to the left of my head...when you try to turn your focus on it it seems to disappear and you can only become aware of it when you just let it be there without thinking about it. The light eventually grows in size until it floods your whole head and extends beyond the borders of the physical head. This light is extremely comforting and you want it never to go away...it makes me want to work at every fault and conflict I have in life so it never leaves me...it drives me to become a better person...and my life has become a great joy.

Take care
Ray

I feel it when I am still.

I do not see light, but the sensation of connectedness is at the back of my head ( although in the center ), a tingling of energy that runs through my body. I feel it most in my head, heart and hands.

And yes, it is extremely comforting.

Some people feel greater energy and/or power in them that they know is profoundly significant and intelligent, some people primarily see greater energy/Light in them that is profoundly significant and intelligent, some people primarily hear it, while others feel like they are very connected with everything and not alone ever any more, or that they constantly know and feel that they are vast or "very wide" inside, while others feel a profound peace which is something more real than what people usually consider to be reality yet it is everywhere and in everything and, though quite invisible, more intelligent and satisfying than anything else.

Whichever of the above it is, that is what the HS leaves behind once you have brought it down in a stable way, even if the HS doesn't remain permanently there in you yet. Certainly, there's no such thing as "loneliness" for you any more.

[soleil]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
...Apologies everyone, for the lengthy post. I do not mean to be self-indulgent.

can i just say, shut up,
that was a wonderful post you just shared with us; and it gave me chills and shivers. wow

[edit]
great post chester (below). and the tri 6, cracked me up. go figure, that it happened to you.


i would like to add today, that these days ive been making attempts to remember to do indirect techniques every night. but instead i keep dreaming about energy. i have been having dreams where i am with familiar people. i wake up, not remembering the people; rather i am remembering their energy. and only then, can i recall who the person was i dreamt of, whether or not they looked like them or not.

i want to say this is pertinent to me at this time, as i must have relayed interest in improving my energy recognition. my highsource (hi source!) is effective and a good teacher.

also, i've been experimenting with energy meditation, grounding, inner silence, looking at the un-patterned black window curtain (as per you forever, lobsang rampa, i loved this meditation technique), and then begin to work my energy up my body. but making my perspective very small, visualizing being the energy not just seeing it go up, being it. being tubular in shape and strong in force and rushing up my body. i experienced very intense chakra pulsing like an elevator all the way up my body everytime; as i did it about 4-5 times then i must have passed out. very cool

[Chester]

Hi - Tuesday I experienced a massively interesting and massively profound, life changing "astral realm event" on Tuesday...

I wrote up the experience. I am still receiving the most amazing waves of what I have to call love energies.

Preceding this event was a conversation last Sunday that I had with a friend who lives on a Dutch Caribbean island and is an attorney and happens to be a Jewish mystic which few know about other than perhaps his wife and a few folks he has studied with. We were discussing "angels" and I mentioned I had never actually seen one. We had one of those conversations you sometimes are fortunate to experience which you and another cover profound ground where there is a deep, common understanding. The benefits of this are immense and many... but I am digressing.

Then, Tuesday morning while in that waking stage where one is still "asleep" but not... where one is in that quite active, lucid dream state... where your waking consciousness is solidly bridged to this astral realm where only upon fully awakening does that realm seem to become "just a dream."

Be warned, I drew conclusions in what I wrote - so profound was this experience.

Here is what I wrote of this experience...

and so an Angel visited me

I was in lucid dream state (astral)

I was with Cristina (my wife). It was in a bedroom that had a very large bed (like we used to have). The bed had a white comforter and light blue sheets underneath the white cover.

I told her I felt the presence of a “good” being... I even think I already knew it was an angel. I was excited. I then sensed the being was there in form. My excitement, enthusiasm, etc was raised.

Then I saw a glimpse of the being... a sort of light that was silvery, white, and blueish, maybe also lavender/purple. It was breaking through the reality like it was slicing a hole into the reality I was experiencing... very much like this “real” (waking state) reality but only when I woke did I realize it was in my dream state. It glistened like when the sun shines through a drop of water condensation on the side of a clear glass. It was first on my side at eye level and the glimpse of it I could see was only maybe 6 inches tall though I had a feeling I was simply seeing only a part of this “presence.” I was standing off the bed and Cristina was on the bed sitting up like one would if one were reading in bed.

At the moment I began to see it (not just sense its presence), my excitement elevated even further... there was zero fear – in fact I felt an amazing peace combined with the excitement. I then moved to sit on the bed with Cristina while we watched the object (Cristina could also see it too). I was on Cristina’s right. The object seemed to move above us towards the ceiling and then... it transformed into a sphere which was a sphere of tiny lights that resembled the earth and the lights outlined the continents. Yet the continents were fluid... and not precisely what I know our continents to be at this time. I then said excitedly to Cristina... “Look, it is the continents... that is Earth we are seeing! The Angel that watches over the Earth!” She seemed skeptical. Then the globe turned to where distinctly I could see Central America and the northern part of South America (Colombia is there and that is where Cristina lives and is from – Medellin to be precise).

And that is when I woke.

I then realized a profound dream I had on April 16, 1995 was not “god” like I had always thought, but was again, one if these “Beings of Light.”

I then realized what i told Daniel, my friend in Curacao... that I had never seen an Angel was probably wrong.

Edit: I have been on an amazing high each and every moment of the last four days since I had this dream. I feel there is nothing to fear. I feel we create our reality experience and that we are fully in charge as to how that unfolds, even if we want to deny that. I feel that I love life. I do not feel any ill will towards this reality experience nor the material realms. I do not care if I am being misled by some nefarious agent of an evil third party. In fact... evil for me has melted away.

Now, I know how many folks who are members of Avalon feel about the Bush family. I do not know if some of the things that some folks here speculate about the Bush family are true. I only trust my own experience and my own intuition in this regard and I make up my own mind (which... as hopefully those who have followed some of my posts know changes all the time - a sign of true, open mindedness). So I see my view as quite healthy - even if I do not know everything (as if I or anyone else could) or much of anything for that matter or that what my intuition tells me happens to be terribly off base. Having stated this then... Interestingly enough, I have also had several George W. Bush dreams the last few days... had a super cool one this morning and I just so happen to live in Dallas at this time and the George W.Bush Library is being opened (first privately this week) and then publicly on May Day (May 1st).

In all my dreams with George W. Bush he is never an evil man. There is zero consciously derived evil in this man. This man has a profound sense of love. This man has his own spiritual views and he is solid in his views. This man does not consciously compromise his beliefs for third parties. I would believe it is impossible this man is involved in activities some suggest are "evil/satanic."

But I also do not know either way... and though it is clear my hopes that some of these rumors are untrue, I simply do not know.

Apologies for this long, rambly PM. I hardly post anymore.

Chester

EDIT: hahaha wow - I just noticed the post number here - 6 6 6

You cannot make this **** up... wow.

[Chester]

Unreal... I just decided to scroll up and see some other posts - I did not at this point see teradactyl's edit - I just saw this -

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
...Apologies everyone, for the lengthy post. I do not mean to be self-indulgent.

can i just say, shut up,
that was a wonderful post you just shared with us; and it gave me chills and shivers. wow

I felt bad because I had not read many of the posts in this thread but when seeing this comment, I had to go read Freed Fox's post.

WoW! You gotta admit... mind blowingly synchronistic. Freed Fox's post is essentially about this same "Light Being" which may be "Gaia" Herself and/or the Guardian Angel of our Earth!

And also so freaking weird I wrote apologies for being rambly and Freed Fox states the attempt not to ramble!

and so when I come back to make this post I see teradactyl addressed me directly in the edit!

When at this level of experience, it is impossible to deny the true connectivity of all. And so obvious. I just wish everyone could get this because if we did, the world would transform instantly into a true paradise for all! Oooops - opinion there only... please, disregard.

These experiences are always so energizing and I feel rays of love shooting through me and out to all!

Ray... FYI - I have been thinking about you quite a bit lately and may drop you a line.

Thanks again for the great thread TH.

[soleil]

chester, go back to beginning and catch up, because TH is great at replying to our direct experience to make it make sense for the group so that we are all on the same page. so to speak.

[Chester]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
chester, go back to beginning and catch up, because TH is great at replying to our direct experience to make it make sense for the group so that we are all on the same page. so to speak.

I want to... I have read all the posts up until I had to return to Dallas last Feb 7th. I will catch up. Promise.... what a great thread. This thread has actually made a measurable difference in my life.

[Finefeather]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Ray... FYI - I have been thinking about you quite a bit lately and may drop you a line.

Hi Chester
Thank you and it is always an honour for me to be in someones thoughts...by the way you are the one who I most send love to...there is hardly a day that goes by that you don't crop up in my mind. Your journey has been long and eventful and your efforts to come to grips with your conflicts have been nothing less than a good lesson to those who are in a similar struggle.

Oh...and about the long posts...I think you have got that award bagged a long time ago

Stay strong and much love to you
Ray

[TraineeHuman]

Hi Chester, I'd say the being you and your wife saw was a nature spirit -- which is indeed one type of angel, and the type that's very closely connected with Gaia (and with Pan). Normally, they have a kind of invisibility cloak. The fact that it showed itself to you so directly and fully is certainly very significant, and rare for anyone, ever. You must have been very deserving of that uplifting of your spirits. They only intervene like that in rather extraordinary circumstances -- extraordinary in a good way.It's also to let you know you've come to a major turning point, for the better.

Nature spirits -- and all the flowers, herbs, plants and trees they are in charge of -- are devoted to working to raising the mood of all the creatures around -- the animals and the humans. That's why it's great to go to places where you can experience Nature.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Oh...and about the long posts...I think you have got that award bagged a long time ago

Not even close .

Out of those members with over 100 posts, justoneman is number 33 on the list of those with the longest average post length, at 2426 bytes per post. The top four are:

    1   6430  106   vansak
    2   4968 1497   Wade Frazier
    3   4336  122   7redorbs
    4   4141 1414   Darla Ken Jensen Pearce

Column 1 is rank, column 2 is average post length, and column 3 is number of posts.

(he said to himself)

[Finefeather]

Posted by Paul (here)
Out of those members with over 100 posts, justoneman is number 33 on the list of those with the longest average post length, at 2426 bytes per post. The top four are:

    1   6430  106   vansak
    2   4968 1497   Wade Frazier
    3   4336  122   7redorbs
    4   4141 1414   Darla Ken Jensen Pearce

Column 1 is rank, column 2 is average post length, and column 3 is number of posts.

Thanks Paul...that's interesting...
Chester you can rest easy now...ONLY 33rd

[Orph]

Hope this isn't off-topic, but since dreams are being discussed here, .............. I've mentioned before that when I become aware I'm dreaming I can take off and fly at will. ( I imagine this may be connected to astral travel ??? Maybe?) Anyway, my real question is, often times I have dreams where it feels like the power of gravity is increased 10-fold or whatever. It's extremely hard to walk, or even stand up. In some cases I'm pulled to the ground. Anybody have a clue what this may be about?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Orph (here)
Hope this isn't off-topic, but since dreams are being discussed here, .............. I've mentioned before that when I become aware I'm dreaming I can take off and fly at will. ( I imagine this may be connected to astral travel ??? Maybe?) Anyway, my real question is, often times I have dreams where it feels like the power of gravity is increased 10-fold or whatever. It's extremely hard to walk, or even stand up. In some cases I'm pulled to the ground. Anybody have a clue what this may be about?

That super-dense energy means you are then in the lowest level of the astral, just beyond the physical but it feels like the physical only more sensual. The most common reason for being caught there is drug or alcohol use, maybe from the past. It may also be because of, for example, sex addiction. Another cause could be that someone you have a strong attachment to either doesn’t want to let go of you or doesn’t want you to go astral traveling. Many homes have a dead earthbound spirit in them. Such a being may possibly be dragging you down to that level somehow, though if so, when you dream of flying it should be able to see that there’s a higher world. If an earthbound spirit is the problem, simply telling it that it’s meant to move on higher usually works, in my experience. If you live very close to high-tension wires or a telephone exchange or a church or church hall, that could be the problem. The church/temple situation is a problem because many earthbound spirits hang around in such places in huge numbers, waiting for somebody who understands how to leave the physical and what their next step is. Unfortunately, most ministers/priests/rabbis/imams etc don’t really seem to have a clue.

[Orph]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

That super-dense energy means you are then in the lowest level of the astral, just beyond the physical but it feels like the physical only more sensual. ............

Thanks. Your answer helped me understand a bit of what's going on.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
... i loved this meditation technique), and then begin to work my energy up my body. but making my perspective very small, visualizing being the energy not just seeing it go up, being it. being tubular in shape and strong in force and rushing up my body. i experienced very intense chakra pulsing like an elevator all the way up my body everytime; as i did it about 4-5 times then i must have passed out. very cool

Working with individual chakras and pushing the kundalini energy up the spine, as described by Lobsang Rampa, is standard Kundalini Yoga.

However, I used to have a teacher who was a true master of Kundalini Yoga. (I was led to her by specific verbal (telepathic) and other communication from and direct contact with Shiva, the greatest of all the Gods. Only in the last six months I’ve learnt that in mainstream Hinduism Shiva is considered to be much the same as what Christians call “God the Father”, that Shiva was the creator of the entire physical universe.) This teacher had investigated and lived the subject so fully that she had progressed to the discovery that working on any individual chakras actually slows a person’s progress over all, even though it does give them tangible experience of chakra energy. In fact, this teacher was totally against any mention of chakras normally. It would be too long a story for me to explain why here, but I totally agree she was right.

She pointed out to me how every kundalini awakening starts from within the Earth and then lingers a little about half a meter or so below the person’s feet before it moves up the spine to the Oversoul point. So I really appreciate Ray’s explanation of how kundalini energy is just Gaia’s energy, always coming from within the Earth. I’m mentioning this because every account of kundalini I’ve seen in print claims it starts from the tailbone. Wrong. Doesn’t say much for the awareness of any supposed guru who proclaims the tailbone’s where the kundalini starts from.

These days most kundalini awakenings are usually very subtle and quiet, even the first time, though they can be very joyful but even then they’ll still be subtle. They're usually subtle because these days, alternative people usually have a less heavy ego than they used to in the past, e.g. in the nineteenth century. As far as I can tell once a person has had their first kundalini awakening that leaves behind some stillness in them which always allows the HS to be significantly present at times. So they will experience at least one of the HS indicators I’ve recently been mentioning.

But without the overcoming of the ego’s influence, you won’t be able to have the HS there permanently.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by teradactyl (here)
... i loved this meditation technique), and then begin to work my energy up my body. but making my perspective very small, visualizing being the energy not just seeing it go up, being it. being tubular in shape and strong in force and rushing up my body. i experienced very intense chakra pulsing like an elevator all the way up my body everytime; as i did it about 4-5 times then i must have passed out. very cool

Working with individual chakras and pushing the kundalini energy up the spine, as described by Lobsang Rampa, is standard Kundalini Yoga.

However, I used to have a teacher who was a true master of Kundalini Yoga. (I was led to her by specific verbal (telepathic) and other communication from and direct contact with Shiva, the greatest of all the Gods. Only in the last six months I’ve learnt that in mainstream Hinduism Shiva is considered to be much the same as what Christians call “God the Father”, that Shiva was the creator of the entire physical universe.) This teacher had investigated and lived the subject so fully that she had progressed to the discovery that working on any individual chakras actually slows a person’s progress over all, even though it does give them tangible experience of chakra energy. In fact, this teacher was totally against any mention of chakras normally. It would be too long a story for me to explain why here, but I totally agree she was right.

She pointed out to me how every kundalini awakening starts from within the Earth and then lingers a little about half a meter or so below the person’s feet before it moves up the spine to the Oversoul point. So I really appreciate Ray’s explanation of how kundalini energy is just Gaia’s energy, always coming from within the Earth. I’m mentioning this because every account of kundalini I’ve seen in print claims it starts from the tailbone. Wrong. Doesn’t say much for the awareness of any supposed guru who proclaims the tailbone’s where the kundalini starts from.

These days most kundalini awakenings are usually very subtle and quiet, even the first time, though they can be very joyful but even then they’ll still be subtle. They're usually subtle because these days, alternative people usually have a less heavy ego than they used to in the past, e.g. in the nineteenth century. As far as I can tell once a person has had their first kundalini awakening that leaves behind some stillness in them which always allows the HS to be significantly present at times. So they will experience at least one of the HS indicators I’ve recently been mentioning.

But without the overcoming of the ego’s influence, you won’t be able to have the HS there permanently.

i do want to add, that the energy i visualize in my feet it is always my intention to visualize the energy coming from earth. even if i'm laying in bed, i find a way to picture it swirling and paving its way to enter me from the soles of my feet.

[Finefeather]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
She pointed out to me how every kundalini awakening starts from within the Earth and then lingers a little about half a meter or so below the person’s feet before it moves up the spine to the Oversoul point. So I really appreciate Ray’s explanation of how kundalini energy is just Gaia’s energy, always coming from within the Earth. I’m mentioning this because every account of kundalini I’ve seen in print claims it starts from the tailbone. Wrong. Doesn’t say much for the awareness of any supposed guru who proclaims the tailbone’s where the kundalini starts from.

Yes this is true although a bit controversial...so I thought I might expand on this to attempt to make it clearer.

Kundalini is an extremely important thing to get to grips with because everything we know about this is based on thousands of pages of literature describing the kundalini experience and how to go about 'waking' it up...like Kundalini Yoga, Tantra etc. Not one tells us exactly what it is...and where ir comes from.

Kundalini is a cosmic phenomena and is related to the 'Will of God'...if you will allow me to use this term as the initial intention or cause of creation. Not that I have any idea what that complete intention may be,,,but the evidence and answers regarding Kundalini can be clearly seen in the continuance and nature of life's progression...called evolution.

The story about kundalini...as a force or energy...starting at the tail bone...more correctly at the bottom chakra...is not entirely correct...and yet there is an ounce of truth in it...it is a bit like the chicken and egg conundrum...because the term kundalini is not really understood properly. The word kundalini comes from the Sanskrit word kundal, which means a 'spiral' or 'coil.' Now...you should note that it in no way mentions anything about any kind of force or energy yet...although we can be daring and relate, coil, with a coiled spring which has potential energy. The point here is that 'fertilization' has not taken place yet...and kundalini energy is a confusing term because it in fact is the evolutionary force or drive caused by the 'Will of God' to expand the consciousness of the creation we are a part of. So Kundalini is like the 'unfertilized' egg...waiting to be 'fertilized' so that the evolutionary force can be initiated or started. This is the truth of the fact that we are all potential creators...but all creators must be born first.

Lets now just also look at the literal meaning of Kundalini...(see above) It is in fact a little lame, in that it underestimates the true nature of what is going on here...because what Kundalini really is...is a potential 'Universe'...and I guess those who first noticed it just called it a spiral or a coil to attempt to make it easier to understand. Each of us has a permanent physical atom at the lower chakra. This permanent atom, or mini universe, is the source out of which the human body blossoms...AND evolves. It is part of the etheric body and is responsible for the physical growth...and pattern of our bodies. It is modified by the presence of other permanent atoms like the astral atom and the mental aspect. So each individual's body's center of it's 'universe' is found at the lower chakra...and it's evolution and nature is determined or regulated by the presence of the spiritual Being incarnated into the body AND another force...which is the evolutionary force of Gaia...the initiator...or 'fertilizer' of the Kundalini in each of her offspring...who are the inhabitants of the earth.
Gaia...as a Spiritual Being incarnated into the planet...is an advanced Being far above our own, present, 'achievement' and has herself been born out of the evolutionary force of the Solar Logos.

This is complex and I am struggling here to make this clear...I do apologize...but allow me to continue for a little while longer

The center of the earth is the proton of the system, and it thus causes...by magnetic attraction and repulsion...bodies to be attracted to it...it also has a ring pass not, or effective magnetic attractive force boundary. Now scientists have come up with a term they call “The Strong Force”. I do not want to pretend to know much about this force from a science point of view...but this is in fact the force which is referred to as 'Kundalini energy'...when in fact it has nothing to do with Kundalini. This is the force of Gaia acting on the electrons which are the inhabitants of the earth...including minerals...plants...animals and humans, This force is responsible for causing the human physical permanent atom or 'Universe' or Kundalini to slowly become active...or 'germinate' and it is this force which drives the evolution of the electrons...our bodies...in the system. AND here is the entry point of the techniques and practices that we have today to attempt to increase or hasten the evolutionary process or enlightenment of the individual...like Kundalini Yoga etc.

So, every body present on earth is been effected by the evolutionary force of the 'Atom' or 'Universe' or planet we call Gaia on which we live. This is a universal law and is present throughout the cosmos. Everything that is seemingly separate and has it's own intelligence and will is in fact a mini Universe within the greater Universe all the way up to the entire Universe of creation...ALL going through the same process of evolution for one reason only...to expand the awareness or consciousness of the whole.

So...the evolutionary force of Mother Gaia...call it Kundalini energy if you like...it is of no concern...feeds and nourishes us as humans...we in turn get in on the act by participating in some practice, in life, to speed up the process so that we can become creators in our own rights,..at this point our Kundalini or Universe becomes the source of the evolutionary force for our offspring.

If you are good at OB, and when you visit the higher realms you will notice something truly beautiful...each soul...in it's natural state...is like a ball of light...a separate universe...radiating the most incredibly beautiful colours and qualities...each one chooses how they want to present themselves when you meet...a magnificent sight to behold.

Hope this was not too painful

All my love
Ray

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Kundalini whelms up from the centre of the earth and the experience we have...from this force...is not necessarily always a feeling of love. Some have experienced great pain and destruction of their body as a result of it's vast potential...this is the reason we always are told to be mindful and aware of methods used to invoke this force in meditation and other practices. It is wise to let this force take it's natural course, and in doing so our experiences will be a lot more gentle. This is all about balance again.

Finefeather,

The energy I sometimes feel is a very strong tingling sensation that starts on my left side, rises slowly and reaches the top and left side of my head. If the flow starts outside my body and ends beyond it, of course I cannot tell. The flow usually occurs spontaneously, usually associated with some profound thought, and lasts no more than 2 seconds.

In past years when I was sending healing energy, the same energy flow would sometimes start.

I really enjoy the feeling.

Could that be Kundalini?

Ron