The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Jake]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
I am going to try your [Ray's] 'blindfold' recommendation, that's an excellent idea. It feels like each new sensation or experience while meditating is a logical/linear progression from the last - sort of like you are building yourself up.

I believe things like the "blindfold" exercise and the others Ray has been recommending are the same as, or equivalent to, examples of "energy work". For some reason most people seem to learn OB travel much better by doing hours and hours worth of such exercises. I suspect that may be because it's all kind of learning to flex your nonphysical "muscles". I know that both Jake and Robert Bruce evidently regard these sorts of exercises as very important for anyone who wants to learn astral travel.

Admittedly, I never got into any energy work until after several years when I'd been traveling OB every night. But maybe, like you I did things in reverse order. I've done lots of things in supposedly reverse order, and didn't know till afterwards.

Yes, much like flexing your astral muscles. Like excercise, except much more effective. Doing energy work has been priceless for me. Many projectors do not expereince the intense energy body pulsing or vibrating that some of us do. It is likely that only about a 3rd of projectors ever experience the vibrational state. I know that I have,,, I know that Bruce and Buhlman have, and I know that Robert Monroe keyed in on the vibrational stage to induce his own. I did not get into energy work until after many years of OBEs... I feel like I had to get control over the intense energy body sensations that were occurring spontaniously. Also, I can point to periods in my life where the number of spontaneous projections increased tenfold when I was doing regulare energy work.

As I get older, the intensity of the sensations is decreasing. I chalk it up to becoming more naturally aligned or 'in tune' with my energy body make-up. Being able to stimulate energy flow throughout my energy body has greatly increased navigational functioning for me in the astral,,, ie, astral vision, manouvering, flying, remembering,,, all of these things can be directly tracked back to the health of the freestanding energy body,,, (not astral body) ENERGY BODY,,, it stays with the physical at all times. regardless of wether or not your experience has shown you the energy body construct,,, it is very real! If one does not experience energy body phenomenon,,,, that is RARE!!! That does not mean that it is required to endure energy work... If you do not experience intense vibrations and/or pulsing,,, then perhaps your energy body is more 'in tune' and does not require much stimulation!! Many people have to struggle with trance,,, I do not! Many people cannot 'drop' into trance,,,, I can do it right now!!! Yet, admittedly,,, I still struggle with the energy body phenomenon.

What a rush!!!

Jake.

[AwakeInADream]

Hi TraineeHuman! I had another message the day I saw the man in silver with the baseball cap, but it's taken me a while to make sense of it (or at least for sense to come to me).

To start off with whilst I was meditating my hand moved on its own, it slid smoothly about three inches to the left (not simply a twitch). Then I felt my own face to be laughing, but my physical face didn't move at all. On closer inspection it turned out that my face was crying, except I was calm. I didn't see my face, I just got the perception of movement. I didn't feel upset, only calm and relaxed.

Then I saw the man in silver working on a machine, who turned to look at me twice.

Then I heard clearly a woman speak in a very upset, agonized voice "Can you tell me why?". As if she was irritated that I'd been asking her too many deep questions concerning the human condition, so she turned it around on me. To make me see that she suffered too, because she didn't know the answers.

Then I got the male TV announcers voice telling me what time a TV show started called "Have I Got News For You". Perhaps the title itself was the message, or maybe HS just wanted to see if I would follow the instructions. Still it was after doing so I found Wolf. (I don't watch TV much these days, nor had I looked at the TV guide but the time I was given was accurate and unique to that week and day)

I think possibly that feeling my own face cry and getting the voice of that distraught woman was in a way a warning that I may be completely cut off from some of my own emotions. There have been times when I've considered all emotions to be false, and so I've learned how to control them well, but I think obviously there are some real hurt emotions buried deep within me that need to come out sooner or later before I can move on. I have in the past considered that unconditional love was the only real emotion because I've experienced it in the astral, but I held a dim view of human physical emotion.

Anyway I think I'm starting to see that feelings are very important now thanks to this thread. In fact I've been re-reading Rudolf Steiner's "Knowledge of the Higher World's" and it makes a whole lot more sense to me now than it did the first time around from what I've learned here. I think he takes the stance that feelings/emotions are an extra sense that we can use to see the world in a different way. He even talks about the Higher Self as 'The Higher Man' within all of us, and even that passed me by the first time.

I didn't post about these voices initially because they confused the hell out of me, and at first I thought they were just junk, but they did lead me on to some self discovery.

I hope HS isn't always going to be this cryptic.

P.S. I've just remembered that last night in bed I got a brief flash of Beefeater's marching of a TV screen rather like the image below:

P.P.S. I think you're right TH! Energy work might just be the key for some of us.

If I re-trace my steps back to the time I had my 'beginners luck' partial OBE I find there were two things I did then that I haven't bothered with since. One was that I had spent hours doing energy work from Robert Bruce's book 'Astral Dynamics'.

The other was a relaxation technique(also from RB) where you imagine yourself falling downwards, and feeling the perception of movement like you're in an elevator going down. I've been doing this one again recently and it really does help me to quickly and deeply relax the problem areas I have such as the neck and shoulders.

I'm going to get into that energy work again though. I guess the ego must have found a way to make me stop doing (and forget about) the things that really worked at the time. Naughty Ego! LOL.

[Jake]

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
So I just had a new & unique (for me anyway) experience while meditating. I had found a guided meditation last night that I liked and started listening to it again this morning immediately after waking up. Towards the very end I experienced a sensation I had never felt prior to this while meditating. My eyes were closed and I began to feel a pulse or 'flicker' type sensation in my eyes, and this created an almost strobe effect with the light that I was perceiving through my eye lids. Well this sensation continued and even though it felt like my eyes remain closed, I began to see my room and my windows with the sun coming through as if my eyes were being opened. Anyone experienced something similar or recognize this as a 'symptom' that may precede an OBE?

Between the excitement of experiencing something 'new' and my dog coming over and plopping his head down next to me I lost my concentration/focus and ended my meditation when I probably should have kept it going. I hope to recreate this experience again in the very near future.

My goodness, Yes!!! Seeing through closed eyelids is a very common phenomenon when practicing meditation and/or trance. This is always a brow center phenomenon. Most likely a discharge. The brow center (or third eye) will often be recognized in 'pulsing' or 'waving' energetic sensations. Also, a brow center pulse will often cause one to experience just what you described!! Other energy centers will show different subtle energetic signatures,, solar plexus center will often 'ignite' and push up,, feeling a lot like adrenaline. The heart center will often feel like it is beating 4 times as fast while emotions are intensified.! etc... All of this is one reason why I stress the need for energy work within individual practices,,, because the energy centers are quite real!! The establishment of energetic flow can cause an energy center 'blockage' to release!! My heart center released spontaneously during an energy work session,,, It felt (pysically) like I had somehow cut off the circulation, then it suddenly came back.. I felt the release, like you would feel blood flow!! That was great and all,,, but there were other side effects. I couldn't stop crying for days!!! Everything was sooo beautiful and fulfilling. My heart center was alive again!!

Many of the energy body practices will have spiritual side effects. This is a very pragmatic experience,, yet it is also very profound.

Wolfgaze,,, no accident that your dog plopped his head down when it did!!! (dogs and cats project,,, so do birds.)

If I didn't regularly experience energy body phenomenon,,, I would not rant about it the way that I do. It is part of the overall experience for me!!! dunno why!!!

Many times, I am seeing through closed eyelids. I see it as an 'exit sign' and lift out, when that happens. (lots of exit signs,,, )

Jake.

[wolfgaze]

Posted by Jake (here)
My goodness, Yes!!! Seeing through closed eyelids is a very common phenomenon when practicing meditation and/or trance. This is always a brow center phenomenon. Most likely a discharge. The brow center (or third eye) will often be recognized in 'pulsing' or 'waving' energetic sensations. Also, a brow center pulse will often cause one to experience just what you described!! Other energy centers will show different subtle energetic signatures,, solar plexus center will often 'ignite' and push up,, feeling a lot like adrenaline. The heart center will often feel like it is beating 4 times as fast while emotions are intensified.! etc... All of this is one reason why I stress the need for energy work within individual practices,,, because the energy centers are quite real!! The establishment of energetic flow can cause an energy center 'blockage' to release!! My heart center released spontaneously during an energy work session,,, It felt (pysically) like I had somehow cut off the circulation, then it suddenly came back.. I felt the release, like you would feel blood flow!! That was great and all,,, but there were other side effects. I couldn't stop crying for days!!! Everything was sooo beautiful and fulfilling. My heart center was alive again!!

Many of the energy body practices will have spiritual side effects. This is a very pragmatic experience,, yet it is also very profound.

Wolfgaze,,, no accident that your dog plopped his head down when it did!!! (dogs and cats project,,, so do birds.)

If I didn't regularly experience energy body phenomenon,,, I would not rant about it the way that I do. It is part of the overall experience for me!!! dunno why!!!

Many times, I am seeing through closed eyelids. I see it as an 'exit sign' and lift out, when that happens. (lots of exit signs,,, )

Jake.

Hi Jake... Thanks for your recent contributions and informative posts. I had experienced the activation or opening of those 'energy centers' gradually from a period of probably late 2010 up until early 2012. It was actually after that dramatic shift in awareness that I built up to that I began engaging in formal or more traditional meditation methods. While those internal 'changes' were ramping up I experienced what Robert Bruce describes in his book as the 'Brow Center Strobe' which I experienced as a sudden and bright burst of internal white light. From that point forward I became aware that the sensitivity of my vision had changed - I began to be able to perceive thin bands or beams of electromagnetic energy emanating or extending off of light sources. Which take the apperance of smokey/misty whitish bands of energy of uniform density.

A night or two after that experience I had an incident where I found myself standing in the doorway to my living room and I began observing this cool new visual 'effect' while gazing at the exposed light bulbs of my ceiling light. While I was enjoying the 'light show' before me the shape/form of the bands/beams began to contort and change form and took the shape of a small oval shaped cloud and then I saw something pretty trippy. A year later (which was a couple months ago) I found myself reading Bruce's 'Astral Dynamics' and was elated to see him describing this energy phenomena by what he called 'The Vision Screen'. He says it can act/serve as a portal for OBE's? Well back in early 2012 my awareness was off the charts from these two experiences and it was a day or two later that I experienced that shift in consciousness/awareness.

It's been just over a year since that experience and I'd say it's been a little bit of an adjustment process because I no longer experience those heightened moments of awareness or the synchronocities on any level close to what I had been going through prior. I had a period of 2 months where my intuition was off the charts but since that shift in perception it feels like my body has acclimated to this new state of awareness and reached an equilibrium/balance. The reason I say it's been an adjustment process is because I guess in my mind I anticipated those types of experiences would continue on progressing and escalating rather than culminate and then fade away. Although I wouldn't trade the whole experience for anything in the world because I do have my new state of awareness and perception and my mind/ego no longer has any control/authority over my conscious state - the sense of inner peace remains. : )

So just over a year later I have been pursuing meditation as a means to try and continue to expand my awareness and to just have new experiences that keep life interesting. I am specifically trying to pursue the OBE state. I feel intuitively that my energy body is free of any emotional blockages - however I'm not very well-versed or experienced at formal meditative exercises/practices and in particular I'm not very adept at visualizations. You peeked my interest with what you said above about the solar plexus. I know I can direct those vibrations that originate in my head region down to my body and on one occasion I believe I was able to direct that energy or vibrating sensation to my solar plexus region and I experienced the sensation of increased heat in that area. Perhaps I am moving closer to the state that I need to be in to successfully achieve an OBE?

When it does finally happen I have a plan in place. In my living room I have a tall bookshelf and I took a shuffled deck of playing cards and placed a random card face-up on the top of the bookshelf and my plan is to float over to that area and observe the suit & number of the card and bring that information back with me when I return to my body. Also, a relative of mine knows I am pursuing this state and I am supposed to pay a visit to this individual's kitchen and then later report back my observations of what's hanging up on the refridgerator to confirm that I was there. : )

Thanks again for your contributions to the thread as your feedback and description of your experiences is encouraging to those of us yet to experience this state.

[Jake]

Wolfgaze said: When it does finally happen I have a plan in place. In my living room I have a tall bookshelf and I took a shuffled deck of playing cards and placed a random card face-up on the top of the bookshelf and my plan is to float over to that area and observe the suit & number of the card and bring that information back with me when I return to my body. Also, a relative of mine knows I am pursuing this state and I am supposed to pay a visit to this individual's kitchen and then later report back my observations of what's hanging up on the refridgerator to confirm that I was there. : )

Very cool that you mention this particular card trick! Did you get the idea from Robert Bruce? Just wondering... I have tried this exact same experiment. (I wrote about it in meebook!) Very good choice for experimentation,, it calls upon several different disciplines to achieve success!! (Astral sight, navigation, memory, goal setting,, etc...) Definately keep at this one!! It took me several tries, but once I achieved success,,, well let's just say, it was a game changer!

A small snipet from The Book of Jacob:

A simple, yet amazing, experience that I had during my experimentation period, was an event that I like to call; The King of Clubs! The idea was simply to shuffle a deck of cards, put it face down on a table in another room, place the top card face down, go into another room and have an OBE where I go to the deck of cards and identify some of the cards. No other person was involved in the experiment. I did not want a ‘clairvoyant’ element from another person to augment the experiment. I found myself out of my body several times, trying to complete the experiment, before I was able to pull it off. I would rush to the deck of cards every time that I woke up, regardless of wether or not I had an OBE. I was hoping that when I looked at the cards it would spawn a memory of a dream or OBE. About a month of this went by before I hit pay-dirt! On February 21st 2007, I had a crystal clear, fully conscience OBE. It was about 7:00am and I was playing around with going back and forth between sleep, when exit sensations came suddenly. I did not waste a second. I was perfectly lucid. There were no snags and my vision and movement were perfect. I went straight into the other room. There was a bright light shining in from the window at about the point where a street light should be, if there was one there. (There is no street light there, not sure what that means.) Apparently I did not set the top card down because there was just a deck of cards. I looked at the top card. (I half expected my hand to go through the deck, but it did not!) The top card was the King of Clubs. I picked up the deck and looked at the bottom card; it was the 10 of diamonds. I watched to environment around me dissipate as I phased easily back into my body. I knew better than to get up too fast. I reached for my journal, slowly, and jotted down a few key words to help me remember. Then I lay there for several minutes making sure that I did not forget the event. I did, eventually, get up; Very Excited! I rushed into the dining room and paused for a moment looking at the deck. I was a little surprised to see that, indeed, I had not put the top card face down. Instead, I had just shuffled the deck and put it face down. I looked at the top card and my reality started spinning! IT WAS THE KING OF CLUBS!!! I am not sure how long I stood there in amazement. My understanding of reality shifted, and I dropped straight to my knees. I couldn’t believe it. I turned the deck over and looked at the card; IT WAS THE TEN OF DIAMONDS! I started thinking that maybe I was still out of my body or in a vivid LD state. Perhaps this was one of those ‘false awakening’ events that I have had in the past. But, of course it was not. I was completely freaked out. I looked out to where the light was shining in. There was nothing there, but I felt as if there WAS. The whole thing was surreal. I ran back to get my journal to verify that these were the cards that I had written down. Of course they were. I spent hours in this estranged state. I was retracing my steps, looking at the cards, looking at my journal etc. I could not get over this one. I have had many, many amazing experiences while out of body, but this one seemed to have me stupefied. I have always looked at the OBE as something that may be more personal and abstract. This time I seemed to have forced information from reality into the astral, observed it through the energy-body, and extracted the information from the astral, back into ‘reality’. The implications are staggering. The OBE is real. The energy body is real. Our existence is not what it seems. 3rd dimensional, physical reality is only a small portion of a bigger reality. To be honest with you, I have always known. I do not know why I struggle with it. If we can do these kinds of things as experiments, imagine what we could do if we put together schools and support groups. Imaging what we could do if we decided to use the OBE to transform the world.

Being able to set a goal, remember it in the astral, and pull it off will change everything for you!

I have had more of a 'hit and miss' scorecard when it comes to interacting with other people. I do great when i do it on accident,,, but when others are involved,,, it is often quite difficult. Not sure why, I imagine it is a Higher Self thing!!

Keep us posted! And thanx for the personal testimony of paradigm shift and spiritual transformation.. Energy body phenomenon and the OBE will change the world as long as we keep a pragmatic eye on the ball, and not let the concept be confused with a 'divine' or 'religious' approach. The OBE is for everyone!!!

Jake.

[TraineeHuman]

As I’ve mentioned before, the higher the dimension we are consciously operating in, the more active a role we have in co-creating the reality we experience. And it’s true that we subconsciously make many choices that co-create many features of the particular life we end up living. As I’ve mentioned earlier, what makes a major difference is the Higher Self dimensions, starting with the sixth dimension, which is the dimension of intentions. More powerful, though, is the impact of our points of view (seventh dimension), and similarly, say, much more influential again is the impact of, say, the eighth dimension, of insights.

On two occasions I won a raffle just by holding still a certain point of view, basically that I deserved to win. This was in a group of twenty or thirty people attending classes, etc in personal and spiritual development. The only reason I won was because I held that point of view more strongly than anyone else in the group. I just wanted to prove that I could do it. As I’ve explained before, the outcome in the real world is a kind of vector sum of all the points of view and intentions of everybody and every being. It’s not true that I can use the same method to win first prize in the major lottery. It is possible, however, that if I have some extraordinarily worthwhile project that would require such a level of finance, it’s beings from a considerably higher dimension could arrange that first prize.

As I’ve explained in earlier discussion of intentionality, there are some possible 3D situations that may not get materialized in 3D but may make it down to 4D or 5D and get “materialized” there as thought-forms or thought-and-emotion forms. These can still have
an impact in 3D. I’ve spent over half my life consciously creating such things, among other phenomena, to influence the mood in a room or group of people or a co-worker positively, or to just make it easier for them to feel better. However, I don’t agree with Jake that doing something like that is creating the future for the next generation or whatever. After all, each individual is entitled to consciously or sub-consciously co-create whatever they choose.

As I’ve also mentioned before in relation to this, there is always a much better chance of our particular intention or point of view or etc materializing if we are the only one “bidding” for the co-creation of that particular piece of reality to manifest. So, for example, Buhlmann’s prize win for a cruise would have manifested for two reasons. One would have been something like an extremely strong desire to find a way to go on a cruise. Secondly, as I’ve mentioned from 4D on up we can in principle gain access to any information at all. And what Buhlmann did was access the name of a particular cruise ship. This greatly narrowed the competition, and so it’s not so surprising he won the prize. That’s a little like me winning those small raffles.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
It's been just over a year since that experience and I'd say it's been a little bit of an adjustment process because I no longer experience those heightened moments of awareness or the synchronocities on any level close to what I had been going through prior. I had a period of 2 months where my intuition was off the charts but since that shift in perception it feels like my body has acclimated to this new state of awareness and reached an equilibrium/balance. The reason I say it's been an adjustment process is because I guess in my mind I anticipated those types of experiences would continue on progressing and escalating rather than culminate and then fade away. Although I wouldn't trade the whole experience for anything in the world because I do have my new state of awareness and perception and my mind/ego no longer has any control/authority over my conscious state - the sense of inner peace remains. : )

I don’t believe we lose any of these intuitive or other abilities or increases in consciousness. Rather, they descend into our body (as a partial descent of HS), and they get integrated into us. Before they had novelty value, but now, as I seem to experience it, the HS in us only wants to use them when they’re particularly useful. Maybe your intuition is just as active as before but it’s working more quietly and more subliminally?

In my experience over the years most of these things become boats that get us to a higher shore, and eventually it’s necessary to either leave that boat behind or only rarely use it, because the new boat for your journey to go even further does most of the essential stuff the old boat did, only better. In a way it’s frustrating because just when you’ve really mastered one skill it’s a good idea to throw it away pretty much and become all at sea as a beginner with the next skill. It’s all stepping into the unknown, kind of stepping off a cliff all the time – but somehow that seems to be exactly what makes the new boat work.

[wolfgaze]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

I don’t believe we lose any of these intuitive or other abilities or increases in consciousness. Rather, they descend into our body (as a partial descent of HS), and they get integrated into us. Before they had novelty value, but now, as I seem to experience it, the HS in us only wants to use them when they’re particularly useful. Maybe your intuition is just as active as before but it’s working more quietly and more subliminally?

In my experience over the years most of these things become boats that get us to a higher shore, and eventually it’s necessary to either leave that boat behind or only rarely use it, because the new boat for your journey to go even further does most of the essential stuff the old boat did, only better. In a way it’s frustrating because just when you’ve really mastered one skill it’s a good idea to throw it away pretty much and become all at sea as a beginner with the next skill. It’s all stepping into the unknown, kind of stepping off a cliff all the time – but somehow that seems to be exactly what makes the new boat work.

I do agree with your manner of conceptualizing the situation as I definitely would look back and acknowledge functional value in having those experiences - realizing that they served a distinct purpose to elevate and push my awareness in the direction it needed to go.

[Freed Fox]

Hey TH, is there any specific skill or goal you are currently working toward, outside of consciousness advancement in general? I ask simply out of curiosity, in light of your previous comment to wolfgaze... Sorry if it is too personal to address, or anything of that sort (I don't mean to pry).

Still just working on my foundations on my end; inner stillness, positive thinking, and pure intention.

[Finefeather]

Just a little side track I thought I would offer to keep us grounded...for your consideration.

When ever I see this kind of statement..."I have a Soul/HS"...I cant help thinking that there lies the biggest hurdle. The separation that is implied...by this statement...is so profound that it could take us ages to start to visualize the reality of the truth.

Another idea that is been presented is that we are going to meet our Soul/HS/Source some day, in some OBE, and then somehow...with a lot of effort...start to be influenced by this other guy...We can have conversations with him and he can lead us on towards this path of enlightenment.

There is another problem also which is the concept of 'God' (just using this word...choose your own if do not like it) we have in our small minds. God is some high and mighty Being who runs the show and we all need to follow him/her/it or else.

This is all true in some narrow way...and very 'real' in some peoples existence and experience...but in fact the reality of this kind of thinking and experience is far from the truth. I understand that these might just be different techniques which are been used to get the message across and so I am not unduly phased about it's use...but I am of the opinion that this is not how we should approach this.

This meeting of the HS is not some one on one meeting in some glorious spot in an OBE...it is a gradual dawning or realization from within that you are the HS...or that you are 'God'. There is no separation between what we think is us in our day to day consciousness and the HS...only veils of dense matter. We should try to realize that the day to day consciousness we use to identify ourselves with, and think with, and make decisions with, is directly linked to the HS and are part of IT's constitution...not ours from the physical point of view. It is our individual Source...and thus this God we talk about...who has extended itself into the physical densities...we are not trying to create a HS by refining our attitudes and spiritual practices...it is already there and receiving feedback from it's sensor...the human being...although a little unrefined at this stage.

So...the million dollar question is... how does this all work?...and why are we so blind to this relationship, and positive influence?....especially if it is true that such a Being as our Source...or 'God', for that matter....being so enlightened...and so powerful...cannot even command or influence his own 'offspring' on this physical world?

I have read hundreds of posts here on Avalon where it is declared that all sorts of strange Beings, Aliens and 'Demons' are responsible for this...and that we are in some sort of prison...at the mercy of these dark Beings.

The answer to this is twofold and quite simple...in front of our eyes...as they say...but we are just too blind to see...mainly because there are too many stories to read and not enough time is spent studying and observing what goes on around us.

The twofold answer lies squarely in the duality which exists in our world...they are Evolution and...Resistance to Evolution. Spirituality verses Materialism. Consciousness verses Ignorance. Good verses 'Evil'. If we look at these simple analogies we should see immediately that 'Evil' is analogous to Materialism or Ignorance or Resistance to Evolution...and Good is analogous to Spirituality or Consciousness or Evolution. In simple terms every action that prevents evolution is in fact what we call “evil”.

In life...for a normal man...anything that prevents us from getting that gorgeous gal is 'evil' and if we set out on a journey on foot...as an example...choose your own goal...the same principle applies. The fact that I am going to run out of energy...prevents me from getting to my destination...so running out of energy is actually 'evil'...and if my shoes wear out along the way...they are 'evil'.
How we have institutionalized words to suit our own ignorance and lack of self analysis.

So in fact there is only ONE thing between our higher self and us...'evil'. Now please do not get hung up on my use of this word 'evil'...I am just trying to make a point.
So 'evil' is everything...and there is tons of different situations here...that prevents our ability to know who we really are...and here is the crux of the story...we have created every one of these situations, because we are in fact 'The God' who has created everything that exists.

So where am I going here? What is my point?

Each one of us is already the highest form of creation that exists and whether you like it or not...you have always been and will always be...the true God of creation...we as humans are just at the very end of the chain of sensors which we as Spiritual Beings have projected out into the sea of life.

So what is the irony of all this?

It is the fact that every obstacle and bit of 'evil' you see around you or encounter is self made...which means, in fact, that there is nothing to prevent us from becoming...or more correctly...realizing...who we truly are except our own ignorance...which ironically is the result of the very goal we all have...which is to venture into unknown deeper densities in order to know more....to increase our consciousness and thus become aware of the expanding possibilities which have been created by our very own existence.

Take care
With Love
Ray

[Finefeather]

Hey Jake
Nice to see you back and in action...I have missed you around for a while.
Go well brother
Ray

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Hey TH, is there any specific skill or goal you are currently working toward, outside of consciousness advancement in general? I ask simply out of curiosity, in light of your previous comment to wolfgaze... Sorry if it is too personal to address, or anything of that sort (I don't mean to pry).

Still just working on my foundations on my end; inner stillness, positive thinking, and pure intention.

The way I see it, ordinary life is my main teacher these days. Often it isn't clear what the next step is going to be, even the next small step. And that's great. I've already learnt how to never experience boredom any more, so every situation's always new even when it's old. The challenge that occupies my attention all day is to never lose sight of the joy of existence, not for a moment as far as possible, in all the garbage and dullness and imperfection. And to sometimes subtly share it with others in any small way that's workable, and handy. It's amazing how much we all influence the people around us. I continually feel a strong pull to work at fully accepting whatever lands on my plate and keep noting where I've fallen short of staying with that joy every moment or of sharing it. Sorry, but I'm not very good at jokes, so I guess this sounds pretty serious – but it’s a kind of lighter and happier thing than what it sounds. It’s a kind of falling into the unknown because you never know what you need to find a way to accept next. And to surrender more to everything and everyone, because I can feel how the whole kaboodle is really God/Source. Not that I don't have some distance to go yet. So – at the risk of sounding crazy, deluded, conceited, hyperidealistic, or whatever else you like, I'm mainly interested in finding ever fuller ways to rejoice in and be greatly enriched by the mud and the filth. (I don't mean I have an interest in porn.) Very simple, really. If that's a goal, then maybe I have one. But I don't think I believe in goals, except as a tool for getting work done more efficiently. Maybe I'm working on getting to where I can never be disappointed in any way by anything. But I don't somehow write that down on a card and chant it to myself, or anything like that at all.

That's the only thing I'm "working on", in terms of "self" development.

I like to have some time off now and then too, and do things like read this Forum.

All these other things like OB experiences and Source and the HS and whatever just kind of get mixed in with everything else. They're just part of reality, part of the background.

I simply got "told" to start this thread back in November, so I surrendered to that as best as I could. It helps every person to reflect on what sorts of lessons they've learned, and the thread has forced me to try and do that. After all, it's decades since I did much "travelling" in dimensions below the sixth, but hopefully that hasn't been too much of a drawback. It's so great to have an active astral traveler like Jake around, and also a veteran astral explorer cum investigator(?) like Ray. I knew there'd be some help from such individuals eventually.

[Jake]

Hello, Ray! Thank you, very much. There is no place like Avalon,, at least for me!! It is great to be back with folks who can stretch and challenge my mind! I am inspired by your latest post regarding HS, and much of the confusion that exists around this 'mystery'. I am compelled to pick a part of it, and cheer it on!!

When ever I see this kind of statement..."I have a Soul/HS"...I cant help thinking that there lies the biggest hurdle. The separation that is implied...by this statement...is so profound that it could take us ages to start to visualize the reality of the truth.

I struggled with this for a long time. Indeed, seperation IS implied,,, implied and re-enforced!! You ARE yourself,,, no matter what!!! The OBE does not = communion with HS! (Although, it will be quite hard to hold onto old paradigms once one has embraced being more than the human body!) I champion the concept because that is how it happened for me. Many times while exploring OBE states/Astral realms,, I have paused to look around and demand "Where are you??" or "I am ready!!" or "Why are you hiding??" ... I was quite confused about spirit guides or teachers from higher realms,, (which was already obvious to me.) It took my many years to come to realize that the 'teachers' were different aspects of myself, manifesting in a way that I would expect. Once, while demanding contact with HS, I was shocked as the scenery changed and a mischeivious astral alien came down the street in what seemed to be a dune buggy!!! it did brodys around me and I had to lift into the air to escape it. I asked its name and it hissed out something that sounded like SILAS!!! How damn absurd!!! this was a 4d projection,,,, the kind that I have verified many times. It was like this experience was a joke!!! The next time it was a bird.... I was demanding to speak with a spirit guide or helper, (while exploring an orchard next to my house while out of body,) and a big white bird materialized,,, it would not let me go near it,,, but it was very happy to fly around with me for a bit,,, I lost it somewhere in the orchard... This one was a bit more to my liking,,, but something was ,,, wrong/missing!!

I was finally,,, (quite recently, actually) able to 'interview' some higher form of consciousness from the OBE state!!! The breakthru came with this experience! Each answer that I recieved was a jumble of thoughts and concepts that went together to 'tell' the answer,,, I realized that the answers were swelling up from a place deep inside me. No answer came in the form of words this time,,, just a 'swelling' of understanding that came to me more like a memory than something that I didn't know! You know when you are experiencing an epiphany, and you begin to grin as the suppressed joy comes bursting out from somewhere inside?? That is how this was.... My higher self IS me!! I really can't describe the feeling of walls of ignorance collapsing around me!! It is wonderful!! I had been struggling for soooo long with the illusion of seperation! Now I am free again!

I had to go back and re-think all of my former proconceptions about OBE and the astral. It is quite correct for me to say that the physical realms are actually 'dense astral',,, however, if the physical is dense astral,,, then why do I make the distinction at all??? It is all Astral,,, and we ARE our highest selves. So we have wrapped ourselves in an environment that is seems physical,,, whoopdy doo!!! Someone told me once that it does not matter how 'dense' an 'astral' environment will be,,, once you get used to it,,, it seems solid!!! Wow,,, physicality IS just a point of view!! (Only vast fields of potential,, until consciousness pulls 'particles' into 'existence'.)

You folks are having better luck explaining the HS enigma than I am,, (I think.) Thank you for all the good work. It is appreciated!!

Jake...

[soleil]

my update since i last posted last week, was an "epiphany" realization as to the direction/path of this lifetime for myself, as that is exactly what i wanted to meditate on and 'ask' my hs/me.

just to summarize, basically what TH has said (recently and continuously), what ray said above on this page when he mentioned consciousness vs ignorance etc; and jake said recently as well. that my path, simply put as my hs 'told' me is that my path is to live a spiritual life while still living in this "3d reality" we call everyday life (which was/has been weighing on me a lot lately) letting things go with the flow, being balanced, non duality/polarity, finding out what makes me happy and doing it, while others observe; this is my path.

my path is to induce revolution/changes in others, whether it is small or large (hey, this thread is started by me right?), simply by being me.

which is SUCH a relief, because i have been wondering who ME is for such a long time! this time the connection was clear as to who i was ACTUALLY looking for (i.e. me) is who i am deep down, which is HS descended into me.

i want to add that it is hard to be non duality when being a part of PA, the spiritual forum is where i have now allowed myself to post starting now; and my intuition has guided me to want to avoid most of the other sub forums and CT threads...(as long as i can help it). they do not help me spiritually. PA has propelled me in my spiritual evolution as i get to communicate with other souls of like mindedness, but talking about CT things keeps me lost in 3d, which i say, no thanks.


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and so now that this is finally 'put to rest'/figured out, i can concentrate on whatever it is i am doing next. like TH so insightfully said recently. beaches or highways, right? i like the sounds of that. well beaches or forests, or rivers and lakes, and my garden.

also, i wanted to add something...i am in sales, ive mentioned this before. i go to work where i am surrounded by people who plant negative seeds, perpetuate nonsense and anxiety. basically, im surrounded by younger people who are energy vampires (whether they know it or not), and i come in and i do my job like there is enough to go around, enough for everyone. i never cheat my customers or my colleagues and i always do my best; WHILE doing my job happily in the middle way (like lobsang rampa recommends anyways).
and i dont want to brag, im only just sharing this to provide a empiracle example from me, of the 'law of attraction' or creating our own reality etc. that i'm surpassing my colleagues in x,y,z contest you name one, i beat them... (i always have surpassed them anyways in the last ~10 yrs of being in sales)....

..anyways, i have recently been making the bigger commission cheques, bigger month over month, of my life (so far). and i owe it all to being able to manage myself, my thoughts, and not let worry/ego own me, since moving to a more spiritual reasoning for doing my job. i own my job and send the fruits of my labour, the money/the whatever, to god, and pray for wicked results. which always end up working in my favor. and can i just say, i love that.

[Chester]

Posted by Jake (here)
William Buhlman gave an interview to Coast to Coast years ago where I was able to call in a chat with him. We were discussing the small inconsistencies within a 4d 5d projection. Sometimes during a 'real time' projection there will be oddities in the environment that cannot easily be explained. For example,, there might be a chair and coffe table in your front room that (when viewed from the Astral) may be completely different,, and might take on the shape of an old Victorian table with a Wicker chair. Not what is really there, but close!! I have had many discussions with projectors as to what this is... Robert Bruce calls them 'reality fluctuations'. Back when I was discussing it with Buhlman,, he did not know what to call them, although he knew exactly what I was talking about.

Years later, I heard Buhlman in another interview, again on coast to coast, (this time with Noorey, instead of Art Bell) Where he would come to explaing the small inconsistancies as nuances of 'predicted reality' or 'created reality'. Meaning that once we are in the Astral,,, we have command over a very powerful tool of creation. He went on to explain that these reality fluctiations are NOT Jungian/archatypal imagery, but actual moments when we are creating, rather than just observing. The Astral is a very 'thought responsive' environment. (So is the physical, but most are not aware of it!!) Buhlman went on to detail an account of an OBE where he found himself on a cruise ship,, exploring and having a blast,,, noone could see him, and he was able to make out the name of the boat, on the side of the ship. He didn't think too much of it, wrote it down in his journal, and went about his day... within hours, he received tickets and an itenerary for a criuse trip that he was selected to 'win' although he had not signed up for anything of the sort. He took the cruise, had a blast, and yes,, it was the same name on the side of the boat.....

Now,,, there are many implications to this expereince. Most folks would simply disregard as a coincidence,,, some would say that it was a simple matter of spontaniously seeing a bit of the future,,,...

In my experience, (and Williams take on it too,,,) There is no such thing as predicting the future,,, we are CREATING it!!! Buhlman did NOT see a glimpse of the future,,, HE CREATED IT!!!

Fantastic Post - WoW! Great to see you back Jake.

This is precisely my take on this.

Now consider this - "We" meaning most of us and I must include myself in this group are what I call "waking state oriented" folks. meaning we see life as based in our waking state, physical reality experience. To express this thought further, we are anchored in what we spin around in the small conscious portion (about 5%) of what popular theory implies is a vast sea of the unconscious. To this 5% conscious realm we "remember" in our waking state some of our dreams and some of those details, etc. And some of us have learned how to go "lucid" in our dreams where that conscious portion of our overall consciousness becomes proactive while in the dream state.

And then we are aware of what we are told is the "deep sleep" state.

So we go from a dense (solid) realm in our "waking state" to the fluid yet still filled with form "dream state" to the ability to become "active" in the "dream state" and (most of us) have no clue at our conscious level what goes on when in the "deep sleep" state.

Imagine if you could be a "being" whose point of reference was in the astral realm (and/or the "higher dimensional" realms - sometimes called the "higher frequency densities). I am implying that if your primary reference point for consciousness was anchored by a realm where what you "think" manifests into the various forms you desire (though these would be more fluid... less dense) and you meet another being in that realm that spies the object you created, perhaps what that being sees is their interpretation of that object and not the precise object you perceive you have created.

I see this as the same thing one might experience from their astral state as they observe an "object" that exists in the 3D physical/material realms which is a specific object where everyone in the 3D realm agrees is, indeed, that exact specific object.

Take this one step further and I can understand how a being which is "born" in the astral realm (if that can be... and I do not rule out any possibility) then they might be able to enter our realm (3D materiality) but that to them... our realm is about as "real" as the dream state is to most of us here in 3D!

To explore these possibilities is exciting. But here's where i lose most folks - I do not see anything as "the way it is." I see all things real and/or imagined as simply (at the end of the day) nothing but imaginings after all. And that's a point of view which may be entirely bogus! hahaha

Who knows?

[Chester]

Dear TH – again... Great Thread!

OK you wrote this –

As I’ve mentioned earlier, what makes a major difference is the Higher Self dimensions, starting with the sixth dimension, which is the dimension of intentions. More powerful, though, is the impact of our points of view (seventh dimension), and similarly, say, much more influential again is the impact of, say, the eighth dimension, of insights.

OK, so please tell me what the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions are as well as 9 through 15 or at least as high as you can go... I am finding this fascinating.

Ray has discovered up to 47 dimensions (maybe even more now as he mentioned this to me several months ago).

As I’ve explained before, the outcome in the real world is a kind of vector sum of all the points of view and intentions of everybody and every being.

I can see this – yet... I also have some considerations about this that may make this “true” to some extent, but limited from a point of view outside of parametrization of a paradigm... I will do my best to write this up and post it. I will also do my best to try and do this as simplistically as I can (not my forte!).

What a great thread... In fact this thread is the only thread I like to go to these days.

[eaglespirit]

Create!!! Now!!! : ) : ) : )

[Chester]

Ray - Post #710 - fantastic post...

OK -

My Higher (perhaps "Highest"??) Self

then this layer in between called "evil"

and then me and my experience where I feel trapped by this "evil" and thus cannot LIVE!

and we all know "evil" is "live" spelled backwards.

I say a video clip of George W. Bush the other day where he states, "Evil exists!"

You go over to Houman's Horus - Ra thread and it is focused on "abject evil" as observer puts it.

If we all removed our buy in to this false layer we call "evil" perhaps it would evaporate, yes? Too few of us too soon perhaps?

And so many conclude the material realm itself is the creation of this "abject evil" and therefore must be inherently evil itself.

But when I look in the eyes of my children... in the eyes of my lover... in the eyes of loved ones, I see many things - But in each and every case without exception, when I think of this Highest Self and that I am simply one of infinite vehicles through which this Highest Self can (and only can) experience life... and then I realize the gift that I (an individual expression of this Highest Self) has been given and that always causes me to smile and in each and every case, the one whose eyes I am looking at, radiates this same smile back.

I never fail to raise a smile when I put my heart into it.

This thread is exploding with "coolness" IMO... justone.

[AwakeInADream]

I had some of those astral inconsistencies this afternoon, and it's these that make me believe that my experiences are more lucid dream's than an OBE's, although I still think that they are a bit of both.

Last time I thought I was really out and had a complete separation, but only afterwards I realized I had gone back in time 20 years to an old bedroom I'd had, only it was blended with my current bedroom. It was late at night that time, and so it was also dark and gloomy in the dream/OBE.

This time, today I was meditating for two hours (with a toilet break in the middle) and towards the end of that I decided (in a strange sort of consciousness) to focus on an object in my living room in an attempt to leave my body. After a while I started getting these full colour snapshot visions (I think the daylight helped with the clarity of what I saw), first of all my cat appeared (she was in the living room at the time, I was in the bedroom) on my pillow next to my head. She was stretching and pressing all of her paw's into my face at the same time. So this was a real element from the physical world, transposed. This might have been genuine astral sight?

Then I got something else (all very vivid) which was something my mind dreamed up (and so non existent in the physical). There were many pages of brightly coloured illuminated manuscripts written in calligraphy flashing by me. Something like William Blake might have done (another common theme to my imaginings). So I figured that this part was more of a dream?

Then I found my target. The object I had set my sights on, which was a shaped quartz crystal. I don't think my decision to focus on this object was fully conscious though because in reality I'd completely forgotten I even had it, and I don't notice it often. I saw this object very clearly, to the point that afterwards I though it was a memory of having looked at it in the physical. The only thing that made me realize it wasn't a physical memory was that the arrangement of the ornaments around the crystal were different, and there was even a large shaped ruby next to it which doesn't exist in the physical. So elements of both real and imagined objects here. Dream or OBE? I'm not sure, but I did get my target.

Next thing that happens is I have something like a false awakening, only I know I'm somewhere else and I'm fully conscious of what is happening. Last time I went back 20 years. This time I open my eyes and I'm in my Mothers room, in the house where I was born. I had the same body I have now, but I'm laying on the bed in that room. I stand up and walk around looking at the furniture and I notice again that some of it is blended with the furniture I have now in my own bedroom. Then I come out of this back into the physical and look around my real room (I did this throughout, in between each vision, like I was in and out of consciousness, but very aware). I thought about how cool it was and closed my eyes in the hope that I would go back there, and immediately I did. Next thing my Mother appeared there, which seemed rather strange to me since it was afternoon and I knew she wouldn't be asleep at the time (so how could she be in the astral). I held a little conversation with her before the vision (or whatever it was) ended, she was surprised to see me and said "Next time leave me a note to say you are here", that way she wouldn't be so shocked to find me wandering about.

The thing is, at no time did I feel myself enter sleep. I kept checking by opening my eyes, and every time I closed them again I was somewhere else. Some things were real and others were not, and then with the added element of time travel, and wondering how can my Mother be in the physical and the astral at the same time, this really gets me confused.

I wonder is the higher part of our consciousness always doing stuff in the astral even when our 'ordinary' selves are busy in the physical world?

I often get the feeling that I am two separate persons, one here and one there, living two different lives (but not in the HS sense), and occasionally these two worlds meet causing confusion (especially if 'I' have taken 'His' place in 'His' world). I wonder what would happen if 'He' took 'My' place in this world?

I'm not talking Higher Self here, I'm just aware that I contain separate personalities in the dream state (Not in the physical world thankfully). I'm aware that the HS is me, as well as all the other personalities, but it's just easier to think of them as separate. Especially when they all seem to think and act so differently. The way I see it, is that every 10 years or so, you could say that the self at that time is a completely different person, but they all continue to co-exist within you (and many more besides). The child, The Teenager, The Adult are all vastly different, and yet, all the same being. Add past lives to that list and you've got a whole lot more.

That makes me want to ask:

Does the Higher Self aspect of our selves contain all of the knowledge of our past lives?

And if so would a unification with the HS give the personality on Earth all of this knowledge too?

Or would that be a Source thing?

P.S. Ray I'm trying to modify my language when talking of my Higher Self (aspect) in order to avoid separation issues, but at this stage in my development this can only be aspirational, not yet fully realized.

[Chester]

Posted by Jake (here)
I had to go back and re-think all of my former proconceptions about OBE and the astral. It is quite correct for me to say that the physical realms are actually 'dense astral',,, however, if the physical is dense astral,,, then why do I make the distinction at all??? It is all Astral,,, and we ARE our highest selves. So we have wrapped ourselves in an environment that is seems physical,,, whoopdy doo!!! Someone told me once that it does not matter how 'dense' an 'astral' environment will be,,, once you get used to it,,, it seems solid!!! Wow,,, physicality IS just a point of view!! (Only vast fields of potential,, until consciousness pulls 'particles' into 'existence'.)
Jake...

Yes, it seems the difference is only found in the orientation we have chosen... that we orient our experience to be grounded in this "waking state" realm. I imagine there could be spirit beings who orient to other, less dense realms... other dimensions, etc.

TH has pointed out many and seems to have discovered (at least for him) a single word that describes the primary experience of several of these dimensions.

And as stated above, Ray has become aware of at least 47 dimensions.

Eternity is simply mind blowing, yes?