Have some conspiracy theorists gone too far.....

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

The second "plane" is not visible in every video... in one clip whatever approached the building looked more like an orb.
In another, a view from the Jersey side, there is no plane at all visible on the wide-pan shot before it zoomed in.
What we "saw" could have been a hologram but was most likely inserted into the video.
The nose came out intact on the other side:

These 3 things have all been proved to be incorrect due to poor research and like you, I am also too tired to repost the videos but they are all in this forum.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello there!
OP, I wanted to tell you, you are not alone!

I believe that planes hit buildings and that legs got blown off.
Now, that doesn't explain why said buildings fell or why legs had to be blown off in the first place, right?

I don't know why all these chumps are picking on you, honestly.
Nothing you said casts a negative light on the idea that conspiracies exist --
I take from what you say that you wish people would think before they act,
and be more careful what they believe.

__________________

You remember in V for Vendetta,
the St. Mary's Virus?
The Nazis in charge blamed the virus on extremists,
when it was the country itself that weaponized it and used it on their own people.

[Selene]

Amystic3434, it seems very much to me that either you are:

a) Deliberately throwing around a bunch of logical misdirects in the hope that some of these non sequiturs will stick to confuse the unwary, (it rhymes with ‘rolling’, actually ) or

b) You could benefit from sharpening your thinking and studying these issues more thoroughly before playing this game. The overwhelming majority of those who have studied the issues here with the care they deserve have come to the same conclusion: If conspiracy theorists have any failing, it’s that they don’t go far enough…..

If conspiracy theory all seems too silly to you, perhaps you should just have a good laugh and turn the page. We don’t mind.

Cheers,

Selene

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

There was no "orb" skip to 5:30 in the video: http://www.richplanet.net/rp_genre.p...8&part=1&gen=2
Rich has integrity and is not scared to admit he was wrong.


Wide pan shot no plane theory is wrong.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYSGv5HNPxQ

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

The second "plane" is not visible in every video... in one clip whatever approached the building looked more like an orb.
In another, a view from the Jersey side, there is no plane at all visible on the wide-pan shot before it zoomed in.
What we "saw" could have been a hologram but was most likely inserted into the video.
The nose came out intact on the other side:

These 3 things have all been proved to be incorrect due to poor research and like you, I am also too tired to repost the videos but they are all in this forum.

Hollow aluminum passenger planes are brittle and can never fly through steel beams as if they were cardboard. At least some of the plane would have broken up on impact and fell to the street. Get out of the delusion.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

The second "plane" is not visible in every video... in one clip whatever approached the building looked more like an orb.
In another, a view from the Jersey side, there is no plane at all visible on the wide-pan shot before it zoomed in.
What we "saw" could have been a hologram but was most likely inserted into the video.
The nose came out intact on the other side:

These 3 things have all been proved to be incorrect due to poor research and like you, I am also too tired to repost the videos but they are all in this forum.

Hollow aluminum passenger planes are brittle and can never fly through steel beams as if they were cardboard. At least some of the plane would have broken up on impact and fell to the street. Get out of the delusion.

Please take the time to watch the 2 short videos below. One of them is from Rich who was the first person to post about and make popular the so called orbs. He was also not afraid to admit he was wrong. Let me know what you think of them. Please don't call me deluded just because we don't agree. Its not the way to go for a civilised discussion.

There was no "orb" skip to 5:30 in the video: http://www.richplanet.net/rp_genre.p...8&part=1&gen=2
Rich has integrity and is not scared to admit he was wrong.


Wide pan shot proving no plane theory and nose theory is wrong and the makers of september clues are selective with their evidence and cherry pick it to support their views..
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zYSGv5HNPxQ

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

The second "plane" is not visible in every video... in one clip whatever approached the building looked more like an orb.
In another, a view from the Jersey side, there is no plane at all visible on the wide-pan shot before it zoomed in.
What we "saw" could have been a hologram but was most likely inserted into the video.
The nose came out intact on the other side:

These 3 things have all been proved to be incorrect due to poor research and like you, I am also too tired to repost the videos but they are all in this forum.

Hollow aluminum passenger planes are brittle and can never fly through steel beams as if they were cardboard. At least some of the plane would have broken up on impact and fell to the street. Get out of the delusion.

Actually, the faster something is moving, the likelier it may cause damage to anything it hits.
Throwing a bullet at someone, for example, wouldn't even cause a bruise in many cases.
But firing a bullet out of a rifle imparts enough force TO THE OBJECT IN MOTION that on impact, it can crush your skull!

Kind of like a hurricane. You've seen footage of trees stuck in bridges, etc?
Nature is nothing to F around with, and airplanes are just man's way of circumventing the forces of nature and making them work for us...
it doesn't always end well...

as for debris falling to the street? that landing gear qualifies imo.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
So now the conspiracy on the Boston bombing is that no one was really injured and that they were all actors.

That's very far from the alternative media consensus (if there is such as thing!) -- as far as I know. Please beware of making unhelpful, glib generalizations. Many on this forum are way more intelligent than that.

For the record, the best summary of what probably happened I've yet seen comes from Alex Jones -- here. Do please watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vTYJ5Yi-1kk

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

The second "plane" is not visible in every video... in one clip whatever approached the building looked more like an orb.
In another, a view from the Jersey side, there is no plane at all visible on the wide-pan shot before it zoomed in.
What we "saw" could have been a hologram but was most likely inserted into the video.
The nose came out intact on the other side:

These 3 things have all been proved to be incorrect due to poor research and like you, I am also too tired to repost the videos but they are all in this forum.

Hollow aluminum passenger planes are brittle and can never fly through steel beams as if they were cardboard. At least some of the plane would have broken up on impact and fell to the street. Get out of the delusion.

Actually, the faster something is moving, the likelier it may cause damage to anything it hits.
Throwing a bullet at someone, for example, wouldn't even cause a bruise in many cases.
But firing a bullet out of a rifle imparts enough force TO THE OBJECT IN MOTION that on impact, it can crush your skull!

Kind of like a hurricane. You've seen footage of trees stuck in bridges, etc?
Nature is nothing to F around with, and airplanes are just man's way of circumventing the forces of nature and making them work for us...
it doesn't always end well...

as for debris falling to the street? that landing gear qualifies imo.

I can post many pictures of debris. Even a big chuck of jet with passenger windows that crashed onto a roof. But I am off home now and I think its better for people to do their own research and reach their own conclusions.

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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
So now the conspiracy on the Boston bombing is that no one was really injured and that they were all actors.

That's very far from the alternative media consensus (if there is such as thing!) -- as far as I know. Please beware of making unhelpful, glib generalizations. Many on this forum are way more intelligent than that.

For the record, the best summary of what probably happened I've yet seen comes from Alex Jones -- here. Do please watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vTYJ5Yi-1kk

I saw this earlier today. Its a good summary.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

a Bill post!

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is an interesting thread. MHO is that AMystic3434 is sincere and well-intentioned, but hasn't done as much research on 9/11 as the others who responded to the OP.

My own perspective: for years I thought there must have been thermite bombs inside the twin towers (it is obvious that the planes could not have demolished the towers), after having read all of David Ray Griffin's books, done a fair amount of research. Then I heard an interview with Dr Judy Wood and realised that the towers were not demolished, but actually distintegrated (or dustified, I forget the exact phrase she used) - and it was obvious all along, looking at the videos, never mind those wierdly exploded cars found blocks away from the towers. Back to the drawing board, Cog.

Anyway, I now have some resistance to the "no planes" theory but I haven't looked into it in any detail. It may well be correct. There is no way I can draw any conclusions about any theory "going too far".

From a historical perspective, I am struck by how bad the inside job is for Sandy Hook and Boston, compared with 9/11. As in, these recent false flags barely make sense on even a superficial level. What is going on here? It can't be a lack of resources to organise them? Anyway, that is the subject of another thread, probably.

[AMystic3434]

your right, I didnt mean to say that everyone was an actor. That is not what they said. They said that only some were actors. But I do believe they said that some of the people who were injured were not really injured but just actors.

[donk]

From a historical perspective, I am struck by how bad the inside job is for Sandy Hook and Boston, compared with 9/11. As in, these recent false flags barely make sense on even a superficial level. What is going on here? It can't be a lack of resources to organise them? Anyway, that is the subject of another thread, probably.

Well I actually thought that this was the point of this thread...but it got hijacked by "911 truthers" at the sight of the word "conspiracy" in the title.

I wish truthers would focus as much energy on what was inside the third building ever to collapse into its own footprint from "fire" as they do the images we were given in the methods of bringing them down.

Wish we could get the past HOW? (That just divides us) and focus on the WHY? (Which should unite us)

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
Actually, the faster something is moving, the likelier it may cause damage to anything it hits.
Throwing a bullet at someone, for example, wouldn't even cause a bruise in many cases.
But firing a bullet out of a rifle imparts enough force TO THE OBJECT IN MOTION that on impact, it can crush your skull!

That's the standard debunker's argument, and I'm not buying it. Thin sheets of aluminum are not cutting through 18 inch thick steel beams, I don't care if it's going at the speed of light. The engines and landing gear, thick bulky stuff, yes, no doubt. But not the wings. Sorry. Impossible.

And then you have the problem of how lucky they were to have hit exactly on two computer rooms that were holding enough evidence to put away the perps for a hundred million years. Sorry again, all these co-incidences are beyond the odds of winning Powerball every week for a year.

I'm just trying to help people see the big picture. In the end, it doesn't matter if it was the real planes or not. What matters is the controlled implosions and that Bin Laden and 19 idiots with boxcutters could not have done it.

[onawah]

What I can't understand is why Alex Jones wasn't taken out long ago by the people who he has been exposing, such as the CIA, especially considering that they are more than capable of doing so.
I wonder if it's because his claims seem so outrageous and untrue to the majority, that he is allowed to continue simply because his enemies think he makes Conspiracy Theory look insanely paranoid, and therefore counterproductive to his cause.
Hopefully, that is beginning to change, but if so, as Alex says, it puts him and Infowars into the greatest danger ever.

[CD7]

and focus on the WHY? (Which should unite us)

I agree....the WHY seems to be a neverending cycle of distraction.....distraction from THE-REAL who,wht,how and WHY WE ARE. Such things are never the focus

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)
Wish we could get the past HOW? (That just divides us) and focus on the WHY? (Which should unite us)

This has always been the point of those who try to break any form of consensus, grouped drive, and then -action, from occurring.

They whitewash their own situations and unify the output of their drive systems (media, corporate, political, etc) into simple repeated messages...for that very reason. They must have unity in order to defeat the formation of doubt in their core audience.

Then they turn to the boards (GLP, ATS, PrisonPlanet, Camelot, Avalon, etc) and the comment sections and newspapers and break up any form of potential agreement and action, via the discussion and argument of details that are meaningless in the face of what is actually being confronted by the mass of people.

They break the next step from happening, the grouped action step... via this exact mechanism. By arguing over the minute bits of the given situation. To introduce misgivings. Always.

If they can't break the next step from happening via breaking connection in the components which allow for conclusion, they go to emotional tirades to break the thought pattern from emerging.


Basically, I really don't give a flying fornication who did what or how it was done. NONE OF THAT MATTERS ONE WHIT.

All that is really important is to unify and go after a bunch of creeping fascists who are trying to, in any form of final analysis..... erect a condition of martial law so they can run the various blocks of the world like fiefdoms and imperial domains. to turn to a imperialistic bloodbath with them at the helm. Like it has been done hundreds of times throughout human history in differing geographical areas.

This time, they wish to to do it to the entire world, or as much as they can.... enough so that it makes no difference.

two key overall considerations for creeping fascists to maintain control:

1: Defeat ANY attempt to introduce even slight forms of broken consensus in the public and public face of corporate media, politics, finance, military and so on. Make examples of those who do, and make it happen soonest. Sometime in less than a day. Rod is one recent example. He got out of line and they reeled him in inside of 16-18 hours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Bla...uption_charges

He had the audacity to try and do the right thing regarding local economy and he opened his mouth on the subject. They took him down. Immediately.

2: Defeat any form of consensus from emerging in the alternative to their scene, by introducing the basis for doubt to be there. to cater to the psychology of those who do not want to confront their worst nightmares.

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These are all extrapolations and modernizations of the oldest tricks in the book and go back to the literal aspects of prey vs predator, on the basic animal levels. They are merely complex modern expressions thereof.

[Daughter of Time]

Hello AMystic3434!

I've noticed that many of your threads inspire controversy. This is not criticism. It is observation. The attitude of questioning things that many in this forum fully believe, is not a bad one. Questioning is something we all should do. Nothing should be blindly accepted whether it is information from the government, from the media or from the conspiracy theorists.

In regards to your comment about the planes not/hitting the towers, there is no negation that the towers fell and many died. However, of everything I've heard on that incident, there is one which is more than plausible to me: the planes did not hit the towers because the planes were holograms! The towers collapsed because of the explosives that were placed under the buildings. Planes hitting the towers could not have caused them to instantly collapse. Explosives under the buildings, however, would easily do that.

[CD7]

This time, they wish to to do it to the entire world, or as much as they can.... enough so that it makes no difference.

It seems to me tht it has been done to the entire globe a long time ago.....Its already occurred. Weve been taken over...dividing lines drawn, set up different scenarios within the lines, and sat back to watch the folly unfold. Breaking out of this quagmire of labyrinths thts already staked its claim on OUR SOVEREIGNTY is wht those with pulses are invisioning now.

[Carmody]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Hello AMystic3434!

I've noticed that many of your threads inspire controversy. This is not criticism. It is observation. The attitude of questioning things that many in this forum fully believe, is not a bad one. Questioning is something we all should do. Nothing should be blindly accepted whether it is information from the government, from the media or from the conspiracy theorists.

In regards to your comment about the planes not/hitting the towers, there is no negation that the towers fell and many died. However, of everything I've heard on that incident, there is one which is more than plausible to me: the planes did not hit the towers because the planes were holograms! The towers collapsed because of the explosives that were placed under the buildings. Planes hitting the towers could not have caused them to instantly collapse. Explosives under the buildings, however, would easily do that.

A point that has tried really really REALLY hard to disappear:

Supposedly....:

Neil Bush, of the bush brothers (Jeb, George and Neil) owned a good share of the security company that worked at the world trade tower complex.

That security company was in the buildings for about 35 days, non stop, all night, every night. They worked over the buildings in question, with no security systems in place, no cameras, etc. this, for 35 nights. A crew of about 80 people, IIRC? (from the reports)

Then they sold the security company to someone else.

This work done in the dead of night and then the selling of the security company ....was about 8 months before the buildings went down. They reportedly would shut the security system down, do their work all night, then turn it back on.