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    Quote Eternity is simply mind blowing, yes?
    giggle giggle JOY JOY giggle... Wouldn't have it any other way!!!
    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    There were many pages of brightly coloured illuminated manuscripts written in calligraphy flashing by me. Something like William Blake might have done (another common theme to my imaginings). So I figured that this part was more of a dream?
    In my experience this would have been very significant because some intelligent, beneficent being had gone to the huge trouble (for them) of putting together some extraordinary information in those manuscripts. I would probably have kept concentrating on the manuscripts and begun to read them. I mean, if a being from a civilisation millions of years ahaed of us, or even from beyond time, wants to share a book with you specifically....?
    Or at least I would have tried to make it clear they had my permission to "download" the contents into my mind (and energy field).

    And that wasn't just a dream. That level of detail comes only in an OBE.

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    OK you wrote this –

    Quote As I’ve mentioned earlier, what makes a major difference is the Higher Self dimensions, starting with the sixth dimension, which is the dimension of intentions. More powerful, though, is the impact of our points of view (seventh dimension), and similarly, say, much more influential again is the impact of, say, the eighth dimension, of insights.
    OK, so please tell me what the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions are as well as 9 through 15 or at least as high as you can go... I am finding this fascinating.

    Ray has discovered up to 47 dimensions (maybe even more now as he mentioned this to me several months ago).
    Chester, I already briefly described dimensions 4 and 5 in post #706. The physical world has been traditionally called the "third" and then people count up from there. It's only called the third because of lengthXheightXwidth -- but length, say,isn't a dimension in the sense we mean. It's a dimension of physics and mathematics, and that's a quite different sense of "dimension". I guess the fourth dimension has about seven levels, so if you count them all as separate dimensions the total I've had experience of does come to somewhere around 50. But I also happen to know for certain that if one were to become (part of) Source, the dimensions then available would be infinite in number.

    However, I'm focused on trying to stay with what people are actually experiencing and what's relevant to that. Partly I was trying to help people become aware of how limited it is to stay with goals or intentions, and help them get the insight that there's something better they could use instead. Also I wanted to point out that when a person is using, say, pure intention or point of view, they are already in their HS.
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    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    I'm not talking Higher Self here, I'm just aware that I contain separate personalities in the dream state (Not in the physical world thankfully). I'm aware that the HS is me, as well as all the other personalities, but it's just easier to think of them as separate. Especially when they all seem to think and act so differently.
    Imagine this -

    YOU at your essential state are The Highest Self

    You at the next level are infinite "individual spirits"

    and then "you" in this lifetime are one of infinite experiences of You.

    These means "you" are infinity to the infinite power.

    If true, mind blowing.


    I state this possibility because it assists me in understanding how my Individual Spirit can have infinite experiences where some of those are able to experience a realm like we experience in this waking state, where there are three physical dimensions and a single dimension of time that appears linear and moves in one direction (from "past" to "future") and so I imagine what if we find how we can move in time? Then time would become 3 dimensional as well, yes? And that then implies 6 dimensions, yes?

    So in this theory, my 6th dimensional experiences (could be infinite incarnations there as well as here... why not) are still just a few dimensionally anchored experiences within a paradigm of infinite dimensions... and yet, we always know, once awakened to the gnosis we are simply an expression of this single, one Highest Self, we have no reason to fear for we are this infinite, eternal and as a whole, perfect being.

    OK, apologies I go way out there... but I just love to imagine and through this process I have lost almost all my fears.
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    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    OK you wrote this –

    Quote As I’ve mentioned earlier, what makes a major difference is the Higher Self dimensions, starting with the sixth dimension, which is the dimension of intentions. More powerful, though, is the impact of our points of view (seventh dimension), and similarly, say, much more influential again is the impact of, say, the eighth dimension, of insights.
    OK, so please tell me what the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions are as well as 9 through 15 or at least as high as you can go... I am finding this fascinating.

    Ray has discovered up to 47 dimensions (maybe even more now as he mentioned this to me several months ago).
    Chester, I already briefly described dimensions 4 and 5 in post #706. The physical world has been traditionally called the "third" and then people count up from there. It's only called the third because of lengthXheightXwidth -- but length, say,isn't a dimension in the sense we mean. It's a dimension of physics and mathematics, and that's a quite different sense of "dimension". I guess the fourth dimension has about seven levels, so if you count them all as separate dimensions the total I've had experience of does come to somewhere around 50. But I also happen to know for certain that if one were to become (part of) Source, the dimensions then available would be infinite in number.

    However, I'm focused on trying to stay with what people are actually experiencing and what's relevant to that. Partly I was trying to help people become aware of how limited it is to stay with goals or intentions, and help them get the insight that there's something better they could use instead. Also I wanted to point out that when a person is using, say, pure intention or point of view, they are already in their HS.
    Hi TH - I hope you don't think i was trying to derail here... was simply excited about the way things have gone lately and this thread seemed to reflect and bring forth much of what I have experienced (and PM'd with Ray about) for the last 24 - 48 hours.

    I get so enthusiastic I go way out there and I share it... you know me well enough by now as we met in the 15th dimension. But I will pull back if it seems I am too far out there. Maybe I should make a new thread for the "out there" explorations?
    All the above is all and only my opinion - all subject to change and not meant to be true for anyone else regardless of how I phrase it.

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Hi TH - I hope you don't think i was trying to derail here... was simply excited about the way things have gone lately and this thread seemed to reflect and bring forth much of what I have experienced (and PM'd with Ray about) for the last 24 - 48 hours.

    I get so enthusiastic I go way out there and I share it... you know me well enough by now as we met in the 15th dimension. But I will pull back if it seems I am too far out there. Maybe I should make a new thread for the "out there" explorations?
    The material you're bringing up is interesting to everyone else as well. It can inspire people, and that's very good. I'm mainly interested in what's useful to people in furthering their spiritual evolution, particularly with putting the transcendental into a practical or action or everyday life level. What you're bringing up is the transcendental. That's fine as long as we can balance most of that material with questions regarding how does one at least begin to put that into action in our lives now. That issue of making the "out there" material practical is, paradoxically, the most "out there" project of all, because we've forgotten we are God and the only exit from this place lies in "spiritualising" all the mud. Once you've really seen the stars, when you look at the mud you'll start to see their reflection in it more and more clearly, and even that the reflection is all that's at hand right now and ultimately is therefore more interesting right now, for those with eyes to see.
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    TraineeHuman,

    Your last post felt like a breath of fresh air entered my being. Thank you for your wisdom my friend. Thank you, indeed!

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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    I have read hundreds of posts here on Avalon where it is declared that all sorts of strange Beings, Aliens and 'Demons' are responsible for this...and that we are in some sort of prison...at the mercy of these dark Beings.

    The answer to this is twofold and quite simple...in front of our eyes...as they say...but we are just too blind to see...mainly because there are too many stories to read and not enough time is spent studying and observing what goes on around us.

    The twofold answer lies squarely in the duality which exists in our world...they are Evolution and...Resistance to Evolution. Spirituality verses Materialism. Consciousness verses Ignorance. Good verses 'Evil'. If we look at these simple analogies we should see immediately that 'Evil' is analogous to Materialism or Ignorance or Resistance to Evolution...and Good is analogous to Spirituality or Consciousness or Evolution. In simple terms every action that prevents evolution is in fact what we call “evil”.

    In life...for a normal man...anything that prevents us from getting that gorgeous gal is 'evil' and if we set out on a journey on foot...as an example...choose your own goal...the same principle applies. The fact that I am going to run out of energy...prevents me from getting to my destination...so running out of energy is actually 'evil'...and if my shoes wear out along the way...they are 'evil'.
    How we have institutionalized words to suit our own ignorance and lack of self analysis.

    So in fact there is only ONE thing between our higher self and us...'evil'. Now please do not get hung up on my use of this word 'evil'...I am just trying to make a point.
    So 'evil' is everything...and there is tons of different situations here...that prevents our ability to know who we really are...and here is the crux of the story...we have created every one of these situations, because we are in fact 'The God' who has created everything that exists.

    So where am I going here? What is my point?

    Each one of us is already the highest form of creation that exists and whether you like it or not...you have always been and will always be...the true God of creation...we as humans are just at the very end of the chain of sensors which we as Spiritual Beings have projected out into the sea of life.

    So what is the irony of all this?

    It is the fact that every obstacle and bit of 'evil' you see around you or encounter is self made...which means, in fact, that there is nothing to prevent us from becoming...or more correctly...realizing...who we truly are except our own ignorance...which ironically is the result of the very goal we all have...which is to venture into unknown deeper densities in order to know more....to increase our consciousness and thus become aware of the expanding possibilities which have been created by our very own existence.
    Ray, I appreciate how hugely important the topic of the relative nature of most of what people consider “good” or “evil” is. (I say “most” because I consider everything Source does or is is absolutely good. And that absolute type of good carries over into principles such as “doing any unnecessary harm is evil, even if it’s unintentional.”)

    However, I see the good/evil topic as being just one part of what I like to call facing and embracing your dark side. I’m not sure if people can learn how to do that fully just by reading about it, because one’s dark side is ever so clever and deceptive. (By our “dark side” I mean everything in us that we consider a failure or inadequate or negative and that we have pushed into the shadows of our subconscious because we didn’t want to know.)

    Earlier in the thread we have been able to share some of Chester’s journey as he has come to embrace and dissolve some big parts of his dark side. Apart from that, I’ve mostly been referring people to the following thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ghlight=Wetiko
    As I see it, this is information the ruling elite sure doesn’t want anyone to know, and has gone to great lengths to stamp out in many parts of the world over thousands of years.

    I guess the topic of “good”/”evil” is relevant to OBEs because once a person is in 4D or anywhere higher, if they (arbitrarily or foolishly) believe they’re encountering something frightening or “evil”, then that very belief will bring in something that’s precisely that. I guess the Law of Attraction doesn’t work so well in the physical world, but anywhere higher it works a treat! Similarly, your dark side can continually “get” you in the OB world unless you accept that it’s part of you. And as you so rightly say, this Forum has seen huge amounts of what’s ultimately paranoid nonsense and totally misleading and misled regarding so-called “theft of souls” from people who ultimately don’t really know what they’re talking about, for reasons you've tried to explain, and also because you and I have both kind of been there and done that.

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    Thank you TH and Finefeather on the insights regarding the issues highlighted in the post above (#728). None of us are dismissing the fact that dark deeds are done in this world, but the paranoia really gets out of control here on PA sometimes. Also, although I have not 'been there' as you have, I have felt instinctively and intuitively that the spirit/soul transcends such darkness, and that the intrinsic nature of the universe is that of love.

    The Itzhak Bentov video shared earlier on is truly worth a watch...even if one does not agree with 100% of it. There is a quote from it which I shared in another thread, and that is, "Love is the glue of the universe."

    Although I haven't had any major OBE progress since my last post, I wanted to share a dream I had from last night...

    In the dream, I was being chased down by a psychotic killer wielding a chainsaw. I know, sounds awful right? Well, this shady figure was closing in on me as I ran into another room and tried to bolt the door behind me. He was breaking through, and I began to have panicked thoughts. At this point I became semi-lucid (that is, I did not gain full control but got the notion that I had the power to change the situation). Usually when this happens, I either change the dream entirely, go fully lucid, or wake myself up. This time was different.

    Instead, what I did was focus on the killer and resolved myself to change the evil with which I was being confronted. As far as I can remember, this has never happened to me in the dream state. I focused all of my will and intention, not on destroying or vanquishing this evil, but on transforming it. With great effort I did exactly that; the killer changed, transforming into a harmless looking man with blonde hair, who immediately ceased his assault. Actually, in his new form he appeared to be a doctor, but I'm not sure what relevance that may have...
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    Claiming one's own power, my dream experience.

    Once in a dream, years ago, I walked into a room and immediately realized it was a trap set to capture me. In the room there were buzzing noises and small gray robotic creatures. Calling on a group of ETs for help produced nothing. When I called upon my own power, the power within, I was immediately set free.
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    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    That makes me want to ask:

    Does the Higher Self aspect of our selves contain all of the knowledge of our past lives?

    And if so would a unification with the HS give the personality on Earth all of this knowledge too?

    Or would that be a Source thing?
    Hi AwakeInADream
    I would first like to quote this statement by TH which is overlooked by many:
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Also I wanted to point out that when a person is using, say, pure intention or point of view, they are already in their HS.
    This is very important to know because many are getting into strange positions like standing on their heads in yoga classes to reach the HS when in fact it is already there...right inside their heads ...imagine what that's doing to the HS

    The message here from TH is that the HS is alive and well and living on earth in millions of people all around the world. Living the way of the HS is really the goal.
    All the practicing and meditating and yoga and OB is going to do very little for you if you are not going to pay attention to your attitudes and to which way you are focusing your life.
    I know of many extremely beautiful spiritually minded people who have no clue whatsoever about OBE and who have never, in their life, made any attempt to meditate or get involved in any form of practice...they are just natural born examples of the love and beauty of the true spiritual man.

    But to answer your question...Yes the HS knows all...but there is a technicality to this and it is related to karma and the quality of the ego/astral/mental body which was created specially for each of us for each specific incarnation. Now there is no secret to this and we as Spiritual Beings have all been directly involved during this creation. I do not want to go into this too deeply because I do not want to derail this thread...so all I am going to say is that we have each chosen the type of ego/astral/mental body which best suits our intention for each incarnation. This will naturally mean that some will be able to bring more, and some will be able to bring less of the true nature of the HS or Spiritual Being into play during the incarnation. This does not mean there is no opportunity for growth. The amount of this HS influence or quality that can be brought through is related to our spiritual growth up to the last incarnation. There are exceptions to this and also provision is made for server Souls and those who are incarnating for planetary purposes.

    Take care
    Ray
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    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    In the dream, I was being chased down by a psychotic killer wielding a chainsaw. I know, sounds awful right? Well, this shady figure was closing in on me as I ran into another room and tried to bolt the door behind me. He was breaking through, and I began to have panicked thoughts. At this point I became semi-lucid (that is, I did not gain full control but got the notion that I had the power to change the situation). Usually when this happens, I either change the dream entirely, go fully lucid, or wake myself up. This time was different.

    Instead, what I did was focus on the killer and resolved myself to change the evil with which I was being confronted. As far as I can remember, this has never happened to me in the dream state. I focused all of my will and intention, not on destroying or vanquishing this evil, but on transforming it. With great effort I did exactly that; the killer changed, transforming into a harmless looking man with blonde hair, who immediately ceased his assault. Actually, in his new form he appeared to be a doctor, but I'm not sure what relevance that may have...
    I believe part of the dream was to do with the following. Before we can learn to use anything powerful constructively, we first need to understand how it can be used destructively. I wonder if that's one reason why there's so much corruption in the world? But anyway, I suspect the man with the chainsaw was you breaking through into some new area. The dream suggests that you've understood the importance of not letting yourself kind of clumsily do something destructive with this new power or ability of yours.

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    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Claiming one's own power, my dream experience.

    Once in a dream, years ago, I walked into a room and immediately realized it was a trap set to capture me. In the room there were buzzing noises and small gray robotic creatures. Calling on a group of ETs for help produced nothing. When I called upon my own power, the power within, I was immediately set free.
    That would be a very good example of the HS in action. Anything to do with genuine self-esteem, true self-trust or proper self-acceptance, honest forgiveness, or honest gratefulness is all 100% the HS.

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    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Claiming one's own power, my dream experience.

    Once in a dream, years ago, I walked into a room and immediately realized it was a trap set to capture me. In the room there were buzzing noises and small gray robotic creatures. Calling on a group of ETs for help produced nothing. When I called upon my own power, the power within, I was immediately set free.
    Hi Ron
    Sigmund Freud would have a great time with this one

    We need to understand that one's own power is simply the release and realization of illusion in our lives. Each of us has our own inner idea or picture of what's going on around us, and most importantly, to us...and then we all have this powerful ability to imagine anything we choose. This power of imagination is our creative aspect and we see this in our life and also in OBE. All the many different dreams and scary surrounding and entities we come face to face with in OB is usually a result of our own imagination. We have over the course of our lives formed a picture of our inner desires and fears. We see this in classic NDE's where people are met by Jesus and Allah and all sorts of calming scenarios, which we ourselves have held in our individual picture of our life. This is why it is very difficult to fathom out the true meaning of the experiences we have in our dreams and in conscious OB. I must say that TH is doing a great job in the interpretation of these dreams.

    Now life in 3D is exactly the same...the biggest difference is that we are not able to conjure up the many thoughts and scary things that take place in our minds in the physical. We can imagine...if this was possible...all the little demons and wizards running around the shopping mall and in our houses...not that they don't already...just that we cannot see them

    So our inner, secret, thoughts are creating all the time and some of these thoughts become extremely powerful to the point where they become artificially intelligent and start to influence us in an attempt to keep our minds on the very thought that created them in the first place. This is the cause of habitual ways and attitudes...and single mindedness.

    We need to clear ourselves of these thoughts to make way for the HS to be present on a regular bases...NOT create a thoughtform of the HS. The HS cannot operate through low density thoughts...it needs stillness and heightened awareness...this is the key reason for the emphasis on meditation...as a training tool...to instill and achieve the void for higher awareness. If I am not mistaken this is also what Eckhart Tolle teaches...mindlessness...not mindfulness.

    Of course we don't all need to meditate...it just depends on our ability to be still. You can even do this in your car if you like....provided of course that you have left your keys in the house


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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    That makes me want to ask:

    Does the Higher Self aspect of our selves contain all of the knowledge of our past lives?

    And if so would a unification with the HS give the personality on Earth all of this knowledge too?

    Or would that be a Source thing?
    Hi AwakeInADream
    I would first like to quote this statement by TH which is overlooked by many:
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Also I wanted to point out that when a person is using, say, pure intention or point of view, they are already in their HS.
    This is very important to know because many are getting into strange positions like standing on their heads in yoga classes to reach the HS when in fact it is already there...right inside their heads ...imagine what that's doing to the HS
    Hi finefeather, this was definitely NOT overlooked by me. however in retrospect, i didnt think it was worth mentioning in any of my posts. i guess i felt i didnt need to say this is how i feel i am living. i have been paying mindful attention to my intuition/visual(3rd eye) intuition i mean. i figure, the more i do it, the more its HS here with me/helping me.

    even if it means to do something i wouldnt otherwise do because of my pride/ego.
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    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    To start off with whilst I was meditating my hand moved on its own, it slid smoothly about three inches to the left (not simply a twitch). Then I felt my own face to be laughing, but my physical face didn't move at all. On closer inspection it turned out that my face was crying, except I was calm. I didn't see my face, I just got the perception of movement. I didn't feel upset, only calm and relaxed.
    Eventually your more "real" or OB face will take over, at the point where the HS descends into that part of the body. I've been through, for example, having to totally re-learn how to walk, which wasn't easy and took some time, in my case. This was because up till that point my ego had been in charge of walking. Similarly, mr white recently told me how he had to re-learn to use his wrist or part of his wrist. The HS really does at some point take over one physical function or body area after another. Sometimes you'll feel very tired then, because all the energy that you had been habitually drawing on from the ego for that function has suddenly collapsed. On several occasions I've felt so physically tired I had no option but to go to bed before midday and continue sleeping at least until well into the next morning. That's how drained of ego energy it's possible to feel. But the HS energy comes in instead and takes over the physical functions.

    Quote Then I saw the man in silver working on a machine, who turned to look at me twice.
    Silver: the color of a Light being, Probably a g.a. or guide [or one of Tolkien's elves heh heh]. If beings like this are giving you detailed messages which you're able to receive and remember, that''s quite "advanced" stuff. Nothing anyone can sneeze at.

    Quote Then I heard clearly a woman speak in a very upset, agonized voice "Can you tell me why?". As if she was irritated that I'd been asking her too many deep questions concerning the human condition, so she turned it around on me. To make me see that she suffered too, because she didn't know the answers.
    That woman would have been either your receptive side -- maybe even partly your HS --, or else another g.a. or guide. They must think you're ready to listen and act.

    Quote There have been times when I've considered all emotions to be false, and so I've learned how to control them well, but I think obviously there are some real hurt emotions buried deep within me that need to come out sooner or later before I can move on. I have in the past considered that unconditional love was the only real emotion because I've experienced it in the astral, but I held a dim view of human physical emotion.
    There's a problem here, regarding the ambiguity of the words "feeling" and "emotion". My experience is that "feeling" is a good word for the contents of any dimension, no matter how high. The way we know physical things is by direct feeling through our five plus senses. The way we know what's in higher dimensions directly is, again, by or as direct feeling, if we can keep the ego and mind away from it.

    The word "emotion" is used by at least some spiritual teachers and traditions as a synonym for the ego. It's the sum total of all our complexes -- all the trapped negative feeling from a 4D level and fixed ideas from a 5D level that we hold unresolved inside us. In that sense of emotion, the liberated person is indeed someone who is freed of all emotion. But not of feeling and sensing unencumberedly.

    Quote Anyway I think I'm starting to see that feelings are very important now ... In fact I've been re-reading Rudolf Steiner's "Knowledge of the Higher World's" and it makes a whole lot more sense to me now than it did the first time around from what I've learned here. I think he takes the stance that feelings/emotions are an extra sense that we can use to see the world in a different way. He even talks about the Higher Self as 'The Higher Man' within all of us, and even that passed me by the first time.

    Quote P.S. I've just remembered that last night in bed I got a brief flash of Beefeater's marching on a TV screen
    Probably means you're orienting many parts of your self to being in proper relationship to your "royalty", your HS, like it (subconsciously) or not.

    It seems to me, Awake, that there's a sub-text in your posts that seems to distort how you perceive the reflection of what's there in your consciousness. This is something that gets you to keep undervaluing yourself. The insights, the wisdom, the messages in your OBEs are often outstanding, despite your implicit protests against yourself.

    I suggest you need to start accepting as a matter of fact, no false humility, that you are a person with remarkable wisdom and insight and imagination. You are valuable and valued just as you are now! You are a good, highly intelligent, extremely refined (apart from the smoking), very decent and friendly person. You have continually added very substantial amounts of both intelligence and gracefulness to this thread. Your heart is totally in the right place. You have enormous sincerity -- one of the greatest virtues of all, and probably the most underrated, particularly in these artificial times. I happen to know you have also absolutely put your heart and soul into this thread like no-one else. Did I say "soul", by the way? As in the HS???

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    What does it mean when one hovers near the ceiling in a dream, or has a bird's eye view of the dream unfolding without seeing or sensing their own physicality?

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    Quote Posted by teradactyl (here)
    my path is to live a spiritual life while still living in this "3d reality" we call everyday life (which was/has been weighing on me a lot lately) letting things go with the flow, being balanced, non duality/polarity, finding out what makes me happy and doing it, while others observe; this is my path.

    ...i am in sales, ive mentioned this before. i go to work where i am surrounded by people who plant negative seeds, perpetuate nonsense and anxiety. basically, im surrounded by younger people who are energy vampires (whether they know it or not), and i come in and i do my job like there is enough to go around, enough for everyone. i never cheat my customers or my colleagues and i always do my best; WHILE doing my job happily in the middle way (like lobsang rampa recommends anyways).
    and i dont want to brag, im only just sharing this to provide a empiracle example from me, of the 'law of attraction' or creating our own reality etc. that i'm surpassing my colleagues in x,y,z contest you name one, i beat them... (i always have surpassed them anyways in the last ~10 yrs of being in sales)....

    ..anyways, i have recently been making the bigger commission cheques, bigger month over month, of my life (so far). and i owe it all to being able to manage myself, my thoughts, and not let worry/ego own me, since moving to a more spiritual reasoning for doing my job. i own my job and send the fruits of my labour, the money/the whatever, to god, and pray for wicked results. which always end up working in my favor. and can i just say, i love that.
    That's great. As I see it, the aim of our life here is to become free of unhappiness -- by taking it on and going through it. so to speak. Once we're free of unhappiness, we'll have no worries about letting our HS and even Source shine straight through.

    The Buddha listed I think five varieties of unhappiness: attachment (which has many faces), desiring, boredom, ignorance (maybe of what's important and what isn't, I assume), and something like avoidance or dullness. If you can keep up the good work long enough, I imagine that can eventually take care of most of that list.

    One exercise which may be useful for you, or anyone, at a time when you might feel temporarily floored is as follows. Re-frame the whole situation as if you were a lawyer arguing the case 100% in favor of you, and of your point of view. Despite all your good qualities (many of which will be mostly or wholly HS, if they're strong enough), you didn't do as well as you theoretically might have. But under the circumstances, so the lawyer's case will run, it would be unreasonable to expect you could have done any better than you did.

    This kind of strong self-acceptance and self-forgiveness goes hand in hand not only with embracing your dark side more and more fully, but also with bringing your HS more and more fully into your life. You do of course still take responsibility for all your mistakes or failures. But only after you've planted yourself as firmly as possible in the Force.

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    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Quote Posted by teradactyl (here)
    my path is to live a spiritual life while still living in this "3d reality" we call everyday life (which was/has been weighing on me a lot lately) letting things go with the flow, being balanced, non duality/polarity, finding out what makes me happy and doing it, while others observe; this is my path.

    ...i am in sales, ive mentioned this before. i go to work where i am surrounded by people who plant negative seeds, perpetuate nonsense and anxiety. basically, im surrounded by younger people who are energy vampires (whether they know it or not), and i come in and i do my job like there is enough to go around, enough for everyone. i never cheat my customers or my colleagues and i always do my best; WHILE doing my job happily in the middle way (like lobsang rampa recommends anyways).
    and i dont want to brag, im only just sharing this to provide a empiracle example from me, of the 'law of attraction' or creating our own reality etc. that i'm surpassing my colleagues in x,y,z contest you name one, i beat them... (i always have surpassed them anyways in the last ~10 yrs of being in sales)....

    ..anyways, i have recently been making the bigger commission cheques, bigger month over month, of my life (so far). and i owe it all to being able to manage myself, my thoughts, and not let worry/ego own me, since moving to a more spiritual reasoning for doing my job. i own my job and send the fruits of my labour, the money/the whatever, to god, and pray for wicked results. which always end up working in my favor. and can i just say, i love that.
    That's great. As I see it, the aim of our life here is to become free of unhappiness -- by taking it on and going through it. so to speak. Once we're free of unhappiness, we'll have no worries about letting our HS and even Source shine straight through.

    The Buddha listed I think five varieties of unhappiness: attachment (which has many faces), desiring, boredom, ignorance (maybe of what's important and what isn't, I assume), and something like avoidance or dullness. If you can keep up the good work long enough, I imagine that can eventually take care of most of that list.

    One exercise which may be useful for you, or anyone, at a time when you might feel temporarily floored is as follows. Re-frame the whole situation as if you were a lawyer arguing the case 100% in favor of you, and of your point of view. Despite all your good qualities (many of which will be mostly or wholly HS, if they're strong enough), you didn't do as well as you theoretically might have. But under the circumstances, so the lawyer's case will run, it would be unreasonable to expect you could have done any better than you did.

    This kind of strong self-acceptance and self-forgiveness goes hand in hand not only with embracing your dark side more and more fully, but also with bringing your HS more and more fully into your life. You do of course still take responsibility for all your mistakes or failures. But only after you've planted yourself as firmly as possible in the Force.
    the more i observe my "dark side" tendencies, the more i can see them for what they are and choose to do or not do. and i dont believe i have a huge dark side, but whatever size side it is, its getting less and less/smaller and smaller. the more i am patient and loving and understanding of others, and accept the road im on, and follow my intuition/prompts, the dark sides just slip away.

    i do want to add, i thought i mentioned this before...i feel like i had to relearn how to walk with esteem and mindful awareness. that was hard, but i think i have swagger now. which is funny.
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    I note there's a thread with a video about what Marina and I have recently been mentioning about staying with happiness:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...s-The-Big-leap
    As the title of the video suggests, it discusses releasing the HS more fully in us.

    Incidentally, the lyrics of the nineteenth century Quaker song 'Simple gifts' aren't really about learning to make oneself humble so much as, for those with the awareness to know that "come down" means "Descend", kind of the true opposite of "degrade yourself", they are about how to stay constantly in a state of delight:

    'Tis the gift to be simple,
    'Tis the gift to be free,
    'Tis the gift to come down to where we ought to be,
    And when we find ourselves in the place that's just right
    We will be in the valley of love and delight.

    When true simplicity is gained,
    To bow and to bend we will not be ashamed,
    To turn, turn will be our delight
    'Till be turning, turning we turn out right.

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