Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[Hervé]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
Question, the heart is a pump, blood vesicles the size of a MC Donald’s straw at that pressure, were is the squirting veins in the video’s. and were are the video’s of the second blast down the street?

All the data regarding this point have already been posted on this thread:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
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but that dude with the legs blown off to me, should not b alive in that wheel chair, and sure as hell shouldn't b coherent and looking like he was.

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Yet some people even come back from the "dead."

It isn't so much that he is alive, since:

i remember one time working the box out in the county , this guy got both legs ran over by a train and funny thing is there was no blood just major crushing so i have seen weird thing’s emt-b career FD…..texas
Posted by james temple | April 21, 2013, 9:34 am
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When you cut an artery cleanly then it bleeds out. When arteries are torn the muscles around the artery contracts and the muscles put enough pressure on the arteries to stop them from bleeding out. Although in a while the muscles relax and the artery is free to bleed out. Think of it like an Umbilical cord, We cut them so we need to stop the bleeding, animals on the other hand chew them and that stops them from bleeding out. I hope that helps you understand.
Posted by Dave | April 21, 2013, 12:11 pm
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Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!! WARNING!!
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

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It does seem seem a bit odd that someone with his legs blown off would not bleed out on the spot much less seem relatively calm.

However, it DOES HAPPEN. I've seen it myself, more than once, in more than one accident.

The following E X T R E M E L Y G R A P H I C!! video is such an example. This Vietnam police officer was literally cut in half by a truck. Did he bleed out?

Hardly.

In fact there isn't as much blood as you'd think there'd be from a body that was sliced in half by a truck.

Nor does the victim seem to be in pain. In fact he's talking to the photographer while playing with his body parts.

I would never ( well, maybe never ) link to such a graphic example but it would seem in this situation it is ( perhaps ) relevant to what's been discussed/argued/debated.

A person can literally be cut in half, not just legs blown off, and not bleed out -- and seem to be relatively nonchalant about it.

Just for the record IMO this Boston incident stinks to high heaven -- perhaps even higher. Whether there are/were actors involved makes no difference to me. The deed is done. There will be many to follow. Some bigger. Some smaller. Some perhaps even legit and not false flags. ( Okay, humor me here )

For those of you that still desire to proceed to the video here's the link...

But first another warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!!

I lied, that was five more warnings so please don't complain.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=832_1250780068

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
... with blood circulation in his legs being shut down from the physiological shock, priority was given to the continuous bleeders?

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"Muscles have only one trick: When stimulated they contract; that is, they get shorter and thicker. A cut or torn artery or vein has, at its cut end, a whole lot of stimulation of the muscles. They contract, and close off the vessel. Blood pressure in the arteries may be high enough to push past the contraction, so what we do is apply direct pressure to the injury site until clotting can start."

Source: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight...es/009929.html

More comments from that same article:

I am a board certified Anesthesiologist who has worked at a Level I trauma center for 24 years. The relative lack of blood is completely compatible with a blast injury. Blast injuries can cause tearing of the vessels which is more likely to cause the vessel to contract and close. Sharp force trauma like penetrating glass shard and knife wounds tend to bleed more. I can’t believe you think being an EMT qualifies you to make such outlandish, ridiculous assertions that are not based in fact. Get a life.
Posted by Imagasser | April 21, 2013, 10:59 pm

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Well, as a former EMT and Combat Lifesaver in the US Army, I can say that I don’t appreciate your assertion that “EMTs can do basically nothing”. I can save your life, dude. But that said, I think the author of this article is a LOON. The anesthesiologist is CORRECT: blast trauma can indeed stop bleeding.
Posted by Ray | April 22, 2013, 9:02 pm

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I have witnessed such a situation. A motorcyclist crashed in front of me, His leg was severed complete off just below the knee. I actually drove over his leg, with his running shoe intact as it lay on the highway. Not a drop of blood spurted from his leg. It oozed out like lava for a few seconds. I tourniqued up his leg with my t-shirt and belt. There was no spurting blood, no gushers, nothing. He was in shock and NO blood poured out of the completely severed leg. NONE.
Posted by S Hummel | April 24, 2013, 11:34 am

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I’m wondering why all the reds seem brighter (and a strange hue) in the large image which supposedly shows the ‘fake’ blood… I’m a daily user of photoshop, and as such I’d suggest whoever has put this together has tried to prove their point by deliberately making the blood seem off colour (this is very easy to do) – just look at how all the reds including the ones on the other people’s clothing change hue. Also I’d suggest you have a look at other sources of the same photo – they all look a different hue from the one shown here. That is pretty suspect and leads me to question the integrity of whoever put this ‘evidence’ together.
Posted by SonarCorona | April 22, 2013, 4:53 pm

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In mass casualties, you often treat the most likely to survive first instead of wasting effort that could be used to save more lives by spending a ton of effort on someone with life-threatening trauma. Also, the heat of the shrapnel could theoretically cauterize as they slice through. Last, I would like to point out that a lot of the first responders were not necessarily trained medical people and could have been in shock due to the extent of his injuries and have been too afraid to help him.
That said, I remain neutral on the entire situation. I do not know the truth. But there is a counter-point to most of the points on here.
Posted by SomeGuyInBoston | April 22, 2013, 5:41 pm

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[trauma surgeon answers to his dad's questions]:
no, we have lots of patients post traumatic amputations that survive for much longer periods, blast and explosion traumas do not affect the tissue in the same way a clean cut would. Survival is not just remotely possible but happens regularly.
Venous bleeding post explosions takes some time to appear, the “blood gushing” out of movies is really just in movies. The frame by frame analysis is just dead wrong.
The trauma is real, almost no props can make the tissue “sag” in the post explosion way when he is on the wheelchair. We regularly operate on post explosion legs, the decollement (skin off the subcutaneous tissue) is very real and has a certain visible texture.
sorry dad, but its very plausible that boston was real.
Posted by tommytcgThomasT | April 22, 2013, 7:25 pm

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Arteries are like rubber bands. If they are suddenly severed they often will retract and close within the body with little bleeding. This accounts for the reason so many battle field casualties survive this kind of trauma, and also why so many innocents in places like Cambodia survive land mines, but lose legs.
Posted by Ken | April 23, 2013, 7:53 am

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This is what oxygenated blood looks like, thus the term blood red. As an EMT you should really know this!!
if its GSW or other puncture wound the body will put itself in shock to stop the oxygenated blood leaving the body so it should be darker like a veinal cut. But when your legs turn into mist this is what blast injuries look like. If these are all actors did the hundred or so people stab nails in their bodies at the same time and then go to hospital?
Also if you are an EMT you should notice that if that guys bleeding is under control then the woman with breathing problems takes priority, as she’s clearly been treated around her chest her stretchered away.
With reference to the pictures its obvious they have moved the casualties when dealing with them(or she rolled about), its easier if you look at the first pic to see the 2 distinctive blood patches on the floor, if you are still having difficulty wondering who went where you can see the pavement has two different styles making it easier to see who is where.
Posted by James Peach | April 23, 2013, 7:54 am

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I believe the shots came from Ben Thorndike judging by the angle, he used a burst photo mode – not video.*
Posted by Mike | April 23, 2013, 12:50 pm

* Pictures taken in burst mode are anywhere between 3 to 24 frames per seconds. At 5fps, the whole scene (20 frames) took 4 seconds... at 20 fps, it took only 1 second. Judging from the other video of the other guy getting up and unable to stand on his feet (from the same pictures as in that article but cropped differently and following the wanderings of the "photographer" wearing a 2-tones green jacket as a reference since he can also be spotted pre-bomb blast on one of those circulated hi-res pictures, bottom left), the whole scene took between 3 and 4 seconds within the bracket of the first 18 seconds following the initial blast flash (checked against hahatango EXIFs calibrated on the Marathon Finish Line clocks).

At 18 seconds, the 2-tones-green-jacket "photographer" has already wandered way away from the blast site.

Hence, it's time to turn around the very question heading the article: “Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?” and check it against the very premise of said article: the time constraint against a real blast that blew off double paneled windows, singed bystanders' hair and jackets and "salted" same bystanders' legs, arms, trunks and faces with ball bearings and nails as well as people holding their heads, covering their ears for a good, post blast, minute.

When issues have been confused beyond recognition... and create a divide between "believers" and "thinkers," maybe it's time to let Occam's razor do the cutting:

As if you could pay somebody enough to stand within feet of a real bomb going off. If these things really are some sort of false flag, then why get the actors? Why get the fake amputees and the fake blood? Don’t you think it would make a whole lot more sense for the government to just pay one or two guys a ****load of money and just drop the real bombs off and walk away? You wouldn’t f***ing need any of these actors cause the real injuries and death would be good enough. Occam’s Razor people.
Posted by screenwatcher | April 22, 2013, 7:48 pm

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Perhaps the purpose was to instill fear instead of killing many. Fear is a potent weapon. Just witness the plethora of freedom robbing laws bestowed upon us by our government to make us feel “safe”. And of course, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men with their DHS provided domestic weaponry and armored cars and automatics couldn’t find one skinny 19yr old nor keep anyone safe. They did a great job of their martial law shut down for ordinary folks though.
Posted by roseandpeony | April 22, 2013, 7:51 pm

PS: Got the time constraint better pinned down now: The guy who gets up and then falls back down (video) being unable to stand on his feet took 6 seconds to get up and sit back down. He started getting up 5 + 1 seconds (4:09:49 at Marathon finish line clock) after the initial blast flash (4:09:44 at Marathon finish line clock).

[turiya]

Boston Patsy Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s last message on VKontakte (Russian equivalent of Facebook) to his Father :

“This will be the last message before the police get me. I never done it , they set me up. Father please forgive me. I am sorry it has come to this.”

Source

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Tamerlan Tsarnaev Was Radicalized by the CIA
April 24, 2013 by Alexandra Valiente

Tamerlan Tsarnaev Attended CIA-sponsored Workshop
By Kurt Nimmo

Tamerlan Tsarnaev attended a workshop sponsored by the CIA-linked Jamestown Foundation Izvestia reports today (see English translation here). The Russian newspaper cites documents produced by the Counterintelligence Department Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia confirming that the NGO “Fund of Caucasus” held workshops in the summer of 2012 and Tsarnaev attended.

In 2012, Tsarnaev spent six months in Dagestan, a region neighboring Chechnya. The FBI interviewed him the previous year but said it found no evidence that he was a threat. On Tuesday, Homeland Security boss Janet Napolitano said her agency was aware of the trip and, on Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry stated Tsarnaev returned from Russian trip “with a willingness to kill people.”

The Caucasus Fund was established in November, 2008, following the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. The main purpose of the organization, according to Izvestia, is “to recruit young people and intellectuals of the North Caucasus to enhance instability and extremism in the southern regions of Russia.”

Moscow has explicitly criticized the Jamestown Foundation for engaging in an anti-Russian propaganda campaign. “Organizers again and again resorted to deliberately spreading slander about the situation in Chechnya and other republics of the Russian North Caucasus using the services of supporters of terrorists and pseudo-experts. Speakers were given carte blanche to spread extremist propaganda, [and] incite ethnic and inter-religious discord,” said the Foreign Ministry of Russia in December, 2007.

The Jamestown Foundation is a known CIA front. It “is only an element in a huge machine, which is controlled by Freedom House and linked to the CIA,” writes the Voltaire Network. “In practice, it has become a specialized news agency in subjects such as the communist and post-communist states and terrorism.” It “publishes specialized bulletins on both the post-communist world and terrorism, which serve as reference for Washington’s think tanks. University scholars and journalists are dedicated to depict a ghost-filled world whose very same hostility justifies the U.S. empire.”

CIA director William Casey and Russian dissident Arkady Shevchenko were instrumental in creating the organization. Jamestown’s board of directors includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter. Brzezinski, a high-level globalist operative, initiated the CIA’s recruitment of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan that ultimately produced al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

The notorious russophobe Brzezinski heads up the foundation’s American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, an NGO based at the Freedom House, the latter funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA front designed to foment color revolutions and overthrow governments. It also receives funding from Soros Foundations, the CIA’s Ford Foundation, and the U.S. Agency for International Development, the outfit used by the U.S. government to run “humanitarian” NGOs instrumental in running color revolutions in former Russian states.

The revelation about Tsarnaev’s whereabouts in 2012 and his connection to an anti-Russian NGO sponsored by the CIA should be considered the missing link in the story concerning his purported radicalization at the hands of Salafist militants. However, since the establishment is providing the script and narrative for the official story, we expect the corporate media to give it zero credence.

Related:
Boston Terror Update 2: The Syria Objective is Nearly Accomplished?
USA: The Creator & Sustainer of Chechen Terrorism
The Ties That Bind Washington to Chechen Terrorists

turiya

[ThePythonicCow]

Those who have suspected that some or most of the injuries at the first Boston marathon explosion were faked, with actors, make up, and photoshop may enjoy the analysis of these injuries: Video Analysis: Boston Marathon Bombing Injuries (Posted May 2, 2013 by Sam Feeterson to Memory Hole Blog).

It just looks at the first explosion (not the second one down the street a half minute later), and mostly just looks at the first minute or two after the explosion. It makes a good case for the use of actors, make up and photoshop.

[Akasha]

The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjS7z7lBsrQ

[InCiDeR]

So, again, this speculation leaves us with following question...

When did this guy:





Become this?




I know that the pictures when he still has legs aren't the best, but they were the best I could find so far. I am also aware there are very good prosthesis today.

But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

Think family members, neighbours, friends, relatives, employee in local store, health care people both now and when he did his amputation in the past, [insert other social context] etc etc.

LOTS of people on the Governments payroll and lots of people for them to make sure they don't speak...

Just saying...

[Hervé]

Posted by Akasha (here)
The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjS7z7lBsrQ

See post # 701 <---

[Conchis]

Don't ya just hate coincidences like.... the Aurora shooting... Joker.......
and the Boston bombing...... Djokhar?

[Cidersomerset]

Related.........


Sibel Edmonds discusses with James Corbett the bigger picture
behind the bombing.....good interview.




Sibel Edmonds on the Boston Bombing: The US roots of "Chechen" terrorism

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RCN1w5J80E

Published on 23 Apr 2013


SHOW NOTES AND MP3: http://www.corbettreport.com/?p=7316

FBI whistleblower and BoilingFrogsPost.com editor Sibel Edmonds joins
us to discuss the recent Boston bombing hysteria and the potential
geopolitical implications of the American public's "discovery" of
Chechen terror. We discuss Sibel's work exposing the US/NATO
roots of so-called Chechen terrorism, and what the FSB's involvement
in this twisted tale might mean in terms of future Russian-US relations.

====================================================



Chechen Terrorists and the Neocons


April 19, 2013


The revelation that the family of the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings
was from Chechnya prompted new speculation about the attack as Islamic
terrorism. Less discussed was the history of U.S. neocons supporting Chechen
terrorists as a strategy to weaken Russia, as ex-FBI agent Coleen Rowley recalls.



By Coleen Rowley

I almost choked on my coffee listening to neoconservative Rudy Giuliani pompously
claim on national TV that he was surprised about any Chechens being responsible
for the Boston Marathon bombings because he’s never seen any indication that
Chechen extremists harbored animosity toward the U.S.; Guiliani thought they
were only focused on Russia.

Giuliani knows full well how the Chechen “terrorists” proved useful to the U.S. in
keeping pressure on the Russians, much as the Afghan mujahedeen were used in
the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1980 to 1989. In fact, many neocons
signed up as Chechnya’s “friends,” including former CIA Director James Woolsey.


Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

For instance, see this 2004 article in the UK Guardian, entitled, “The Chechens’
American friends: The Washington neocons’ commitment to the war on terror
evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own.”

Author John Laughland wrote: “the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause
is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-
styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a roll call of the most
prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’

“They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-
Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged
on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be ‘a cakewalk’; Midge Decter,
biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation;
Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US
military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now
president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise
Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of
regime change in Iran; and R. James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one
of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim
world along pro-US lines.”

Read more....

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/04/19...d-the-neocons/

[Cidersomerset]

The Truthseeker: Boston Bombing - What You Aren't Told


WOW !! This could have come straight from this thread....LOL !!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GcxmAunB4Ck

Published on 3 May 2013


Triggers pulled on 4th, 2nd & 1st Amendments distracted by flag waving;
clunky FBI propaganda; and unleash the War on Bathtubs. Seek truth from
facts with former Marine Corps officer James Fetzer, editor of Storyleak
Anthony Gucciardi, the Corbett Report's James Corbett, Questioning the
War on Terror author Kevin Barrett, Boston eyewitnesses, and Fmr. Rep. Ron Paul.

[Akasha]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Akasha (here)
The following video attempts to reignite the Jeff Bauman / Nick Vogt controversy by highlighting that Jeff Bauman appears to be missing his left little finger...........just like Nik Vogt.

(the relevant part of the video is from 8.40)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JjS7z7lBsrQ

See post # 701 <---

Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

[Hervé]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
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But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

[...]

The ones who knew him with legs before the bombing who dare to say so, get bullied and booted out with a "government paid shills" label by the proponents of the "movie set" faked bombing.

The end result is that when one expresses actual, factual truths as one knows and experiences it, the witch hunt is on onto one and anyone who might threaten this newly emerging status quo of the alt-media, in order to preserve it.

As Steve Richards keeps repeating: "Everything is alive"... and seeks to remain so... even a story, good or bad.

Which makes me wonder if Boston was a multiple test ground which included applications of mind control à la Robert Duncan?

[Hervé]

Posted by Akasha (here)
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Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

Look at that same scene from all angles, there is no one else there who could put up a left hand in that position.

See post 709 <---

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

But why haven't ANYONE that knew him before Boston Bombings said ANYTHING like "HEY! This guy was amputee before the bombings! What's going on?!"

[...]

The ones who knew him with legs before the bombing who dare to say so, get bullied and booted out with a "government paid shills" label by the proponents of the "movie set" faked bombing.

The end result is that when one expresses actual, factual truths as one knows and experiences it, the witch hunt is on onto one and anyone who might threaten this newly emerging status quo of the alt-media, in order to preserve it.

As Steve Richards keeps repeating: "Everything is alive"... and seeks to remain so... even a story, good or bad.

Which makes me wonder if Boston was a multiple test ground which included applications of mind control à la Robert Duncan?

True Amzer Zo, but I was actually insinuating the other way around. Meaning, if he had been amputee before the bombings I am sure someone of all people he ever met had leaked that information by now, they can't control everyone. Why don't people speak up that knew him "with legs"? Why would they? It is so obvious to them that this guy lost his leg so I believe that thought never even crossed their mind!

I thought of the probabilty of mind control as well, I am not saying this happened here, but absolutely worth considering.

[InCiDeR]

We also have to ask ourselves:

- Why aren't those in the alternative media that have the opportunity doing their job properly?

How hard can it be to prove that Jeff Bauman lost his legs in this bombing?

1. Visit the hospital. Check his legs, do an interview.
2. Visit his parents/friends. Do an interview, ask for photos taken of Jeff the latest week before the bombing.
3. Present the evidence to the public.


Quod erat demonstrandum

[Akasha]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Akasha (here)
[...]

Sorry Amzer but it's far from clear on that photo who's hand that is. I'm not saying i endorse the "no victims" theory but the photo in post 701 does not definitively put the idea to bed.

Look at that same scene from all angles, there is no one else there who could put up a left hand in that position.

See post 709 <---

It's clear that the respective photos (post 701 and 709) were not taken simultaneously, so with time as a variable, not to mention the guy with the yellow jacket obscuring the area of interest (in photo from post 701), I remain undecided.

[Hervé]

Posted by Akasha (here)
[...]

It's clear that the respective photos (post 701 and 709) were not taken simultaneously, so with time as a variable, not to mention the guy with the yellow jacket obscuring the area of interest (in photo from post 701), I remain undecided.

Your right and privilege.

My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

[Cidersomerset]

Related.......


Marathon Day: Boston 15.4.13 "Operation Paul Revere InfoWars.com Contest"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SM_dvzLqGNA

Published on 1 May 2013


http://www.infowars.com "Operation Paul Revere InfoWars.com Contest"

Our present understandings shape our decisions for the future. The truth is the key
to a better world! Question everything! Demand real evidence. Demand Answers!

A 72min documentary film that summarizes the Boston bombing attacks from the
perspective of the official story through the eyes of the mainstream media and the
questions asked by millions about its credibility, both by alternative media sources
and the public! The film is presented in the form of direct evidence, all media
reports are verifiable and presented with direct sources of evidence. These are all
available to the public on the Internet, the only source left 'unregulated!'
Mainstream vs alternative Internet media is the theme! What is the truth? Why
didn't the mainstream report about the 'Bomb Drill' that was taking place on the
day? Why do the witnesses on alternative media contradict the witness reports
presented by mainstream. Why did the mainstream fail to report on the military
undercover operatives at the scene of the first explosion? Why was the FBI
mentoring the Tsarnaev brothers? Who is really behind this? Who gains from
these 'terror attacks' and how have previous attacks reshaped our lives? See the
two perspectives and be the judge! Is there a real conspiracy here? Question
everything! Demand real evidence. Demand Answers!

"Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and
present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future."
—Sonmi-451

Film Credits:
Researched, edited, directed and produced by Amel Tresnjic

[Akasha]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

I agree ......... in the photo from post 709.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

Potentially behind the guy with the yellow jacket or even between the two folk immediately behind him which would also explain why it seems a little on the small side too. i.e: due to perspective.

What are your thoughts on the missing pinky frame other than the notion that it can't be correct because of the previous photos?

[Hervé]

Posted by Akasha (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
My point remains: there isn't anyone around who could put up a left hand in that position.

I agree ......... in the photo from post 709.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Taking it in reverse, where would be the body of someone putting up a left hand that way?

Potentially behind the guy with the yellow jacket or even between the two folk immediately behind him which would also explain why it seems a little on the small side too. i.e: due to perspective.

What are your thoughts on the missing pinky frame other than the notion that it can't be correct because of the previous photos?

Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames.

It was due to that very unclear and fuzzy frame that I went on the hunt for a clearer picture showing his left hand. Hadn't I found it, everyone would be stuck with the Nick Vogt psyop.

[Akasha]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Similar artifact as for his right hand showing only three fingers on some frames.

It appears to be showing three fingers on all the frames where his hand is open......at least as I see it. I don't have any video software to go through it frame by frame though.

Amzer, I'm just trying to reconcile anomalies as I see them. If you don't see them as anomalies, that is your right and privilege and I respect that, not to mention the effort you have put into this thread so far.