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    Default Illuminati Symbolism (Knowledge = Power?)

    I was thinking recently about the various symbols that the Illuminati allegedly employ, and how relatively ignorant I am of many of them. I am familiar of course with the 'all-seeing eye', as most everyone else here is, but in regards to the rest of their symbolism, I am not well versed in the different forms and meanings behind them.

    Then it occurred to me; that's a good thing.

    They say knowledge is power, but in this case what kind of power is it? Power for whom?

    I would suggest that to study and understand all of the different symbols they use, is exactly what the Illuminati wants. That is simply because, upon seeing one of their symbols with foreknowledge of its intended meaning/purpose, that meaning or purpose is brought to the surface of your mind and your heart. In other words, a directed response.

    You afford energy/emotion to this pairing of an image and underlying concept/intent.

    If you disagree with that premise, let's look at the other side of the coin. What purpose does an intimate understanding of Illuminati symbolism serve? What advantage does it convey? You can possibly argue that to understand them, one becomes able to 'listen in' to their secret, implicit conversations, but to what end? The MSM, along with the public at large, does not recognize them. Therefore, this is an insufficient means of bringing them and/or their plans into the light of day. If the Illuminati exists with the sort of pervasiveness and influence with which they are often attributed, then there is really little to nothing to be gained by understanding their encoded messages.

    In conclusion, this may be one of the few areas in which knowledge does not empower the individual receiving it, but others who have established it. Hiding things in plain sight makes all the more sense in this context, and the alternative conveys so little in the way of benefits, that it is ultimately the safer path to take if one does not wish to give away their power.

    Not to be construed as an attack on those who do study these things, mind you. Just 'food for thought'.
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    Default Re: Illuminati Symbolism (Knowledge = Power?)

    You've gotta be like one of the top 10 smartest people in Avalon.

    You've got an interesting theory. Frankly... who knows? There are a lot of people that are willing to teach you about the esoteric but how much do they know? I don't believe anybody (not to say I disbelieve either) has the whole picture.* You gotta know the whole picture to understand the symbolism. Till then we're all just playing the 'what if' game. Well, at least in my opinion.

    So you may be right, you may be wrong. The only issue I have with your idea, is the thought that knowledge in itself may be a detriment in this case. I have never ran into a scenario where knowledge was detrimental. There is the whole, "ignorance is bliss" idea but I don't subscribe to that.

    You have a tough question; "What purpose does an intimate understanding of Illuminati symbolism serve?"

    Here's my answer, "I don't know."
    However if a bunch of effigy burning overlords are taking over the planet I want to know their plans. That way I can know when to do what and where to avoid. Maybe Bill will let me stay in his back yard or something. I have a pretty rad LL Bean tent.

    The other side of the coin is you may be right. All the symbolism may just be a distraction and everyone who focuses on such material is wasting their time. Who knows? Time will tell.

    *I generally ignore people who passionately tell me about esoteric information. Especially if they come off as some form of tutor, preacher, teacher, etc. However the person who immediately admits they don't have the whole picture - but has a lot of info - I cling to like glue. Goes back to Socrates, "If I know anything it's that I know nothing."
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    Most of their symbolism is quite profound and comes form the old Egyptian approach where meditation upon symbols shows you things words cannot.

    The "illuminati" (sic) usage of symbol is generally associative. More like product placement and generally does not revolve around recognizable symbols. Most of it comes out of psychology + advertising + R&D into how/why it works.

    The associative approach does not require you know anything about what is being presented, only that you see it.

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    Can you (or anyone) recommend a book on this? I like your logo analogy (working as a sign contractor I deal with this daily).
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    Default Re: Illuminati Symbolism (Knowledge = Power?)

    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    If the Illuminati exists with the sort of pervasiveness and influence with which they are often attributed, then there is really little to nothing to be gained by understanding their encoded messages
    I don't know about that Freed Fox, if someone is plotting against me, it would be nice to have at least a general understanding of their plans and intent. To see the farm is to leave it.

    Quote Posted by Freed Fox (here)
    In conclusion, this may be one of the few areas in which knowledge does not empower the individual receiving it
    Hmmmm, have yet to see that in action...One thing to bear in mind though, many of their symbols are perverted from more ancient times. Look no further than the Christian cross. "Know thine enemy" is good advice throughout the ages, even though at higher levels there is no enemy, except ourselves of course.
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    Default Re: Illuminati Symbolism (Knowledge = Power?)

    Actually I would say the opposite.

    The all seeing eye is not a bad symbol, it is the eye at the top of a pyramid or triangle, within nature you will see this time and time again.

    Also the circle is a popular symbol within the occult, as seen in movies such as eyes wide shut, but this is also a symbol that occurs in nature and can be used for positivity.

    We are led to believe that reality is material but in fact it is spiritual, they know this but would rather you believed that symbols of power are evil so you will not go there.

    The reason I am alive today is because of my understanding of the spiritual reality and associated knowledge, and if anyone is feeling under spiritual attack I cannot recommend more than studying the tarot and associated symbols but remember it is a circle, not linear.

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    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Can you (or anyone) recommend a book on this? I like your logo analogy (working as a sign contractor I deal with this daily).
    I can give references of things that build into it. I don't really know of anything with a complete picture.

    One would be sacred geometry teachings on the concession of form from empty space, into a point. A very old concept that probably had massive influence on the "big bang theory".
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/dzyan01.htm#1 < Stanzas of Dyzan
    It is my opinion that the strength of theosophy, especially for its time, was to look at all the different cultural religions and practices and see that while they could be very different, they all carried the very similar unifying concepts.
    Whereas some take this to imply a former singularity of culture others see it as an eternal singularity of consciousness. (this pattern is everywhere)

    Drunvalo's excellent work on sacred geometry
    https://anonfiles.com/file/c1d881c03...e166a7377b4389
    This to me is really a book that says, look, there is organization here.

    The next would be what are the functional aspects of this geometry. Even if it is a illusion/hologram/whatever it still follows certain rules. Or, what does the geometry look like/apply in our reality.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/14205724/D...stical-Qabalah < kabalah
    This is actually what the kabalah does. This is also dangerous because to recognize the system and realize you are it, and take some responsibility in there... well, I can already hear the torches lighting...
    This is the place to be careful.

    Buddhism also seems good for this, though I am only mildly acquainted with their systems. The kabalah is simply more recognizable to western association. Though all the old systems have large egoic traps, anymore.

    David Wilcock's Source Field Investigations was also excellent at showing some modern linkages into this "system".

    A favorite of mine that I keep in my back pocket:
    http://supersededotcom.wordpress.com/ (it is very calm)

    My personal favorites that are not readily desirable form schizophrenia. (Maybe I have that backwards.. )
    http://q-wak.blogspot.com/
    https://youtube.com/user/TrampleOnSnakes3/videos?view=0
    https://youtube.com/user/theYOUsendME/videos?view=0

    I really don't think there is anything that can just "tell" you what it is. Words may have been invented just to avoid knowledge of these things. Ya never know.

    I don't entirely understand it, I just know when things exceed coincidence.[COLOR="red"]

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    This video really explains it all.
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    Hi
    This is a reply i wrote about the Thrive movie symbolism a while back. Seems relevant.
    I believe over many centuries the illuminati have systematically co-opted many of humanity's powerful symbols, that act as subconscious triggers. The important thing is to remember that these ancient symbols are imbued with a programming far more powerful than what the illuminati are capable of. The illuminati try to associate themselves with these powerful symbols in an attempt to gain control of their powers. When I first became aware of the illuminati web, I went into fear when I realized how so many of the 'trigger symbols' that had been part of my awakening, were associated with this evil network. But once I was able to move through the fear and re-ground myself in love, I realized that these symbols go so much deeper than the illuminati, and they only work for the illuminati when we buy into the fear created by their smoke and mirror tactics. When we stand firmly in love we can connect with the deep and true energies these symbols represent.

    So i guess i believe that the illuminati use them because they speak to us unconsciously...whether we consciously understand them or not. The important thing is to remember they go much deeper.

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    Quote I realized that these symbols go so much deeper than the illuminati, and they only work for the illuminati when we buy into the fear created by their smoke and mirror tactics
    now here is one of the smartest people on Avalon

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    I don't post much here, I have been a lurker for years.
    I am a shaman and light worker,
    a student of the occult for a decade.

    These symbols are sigils.
    They are magical talisman.
    It doesnt matter if you know the meaning or not,
    your attention on it is all they need.
    All you need to do is look at it and you did what they wanted.

    Here is the secret that only high magicians know.
    These sigils are supposed to be destroyed once created and charged.
    But you see, these people were very cocky.
    They did not think about the internet hundreds of years ago,
    they never thought a population could have access to knowledge like them.
    In that belief, they kept the sigils in plain sight.

    They were not stupid, there is a reason for it.
    The more attention or energy placed upon the sigil,
    the more it is charged with the intent of the reason it was created.
    If you were under the impression that the public would never know your knowledge,
    then it would be in your best interest to put the sigils on something that gets seen alot.
    Hence the reason it is on your money.
    There is not a single thing in existence that is seen or used more by the population.

    I will even claim thats the reason they have been so successful is because of these sigils,
    how they were charged and deployed. They were very smart about it.
    But ironically the thing that gave them their power,
    is the very thing that is going to destroy them.
    When you create a sigil and charge it it must be destroyed,
    this stops other magicians from using it as a weapon against you.
    With the proper know how all that energy you charged can be manipulated against you.
    When the population wakes up enough to understand and use this,
    these symbols will be their down fall.

    I can't go into this to much more without complete disregard for the law of free will.
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    Good post FF, and I think there's real value in every reply.

    I was thinking about it, and when I went from the perspective of the OP, I agree, there isn't a purpose in our learning the details, only that they exist is enough...because the assumption is that the illumanati is using them as against us, no?

    I like enfolded blue's ideas a lot too

    and maybe the purpose to learning them is that if we recognize they somehow have power to effect our will--we should learn them if we wish to not allow them to do whatever work on our subconscious those who use them intend?

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    Could this mean that the Illuminati itself is a stolen symbol , not a true representation of what it once was or what it was intended to be?...
    When living in a country with free thought, you'll find many do not feel the need to think.

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    I prefer to describe it is as: they "perverted" the symbols

    ....oh wow, great thought, I misread it at first! My comment still kinda works though ...they are perverted of what they originally intended?
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    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    I prefer to describe it is as: they "perverted" the symbols

    ....oh wow, great thought, I misread it at first! My comment still kinda works though ...they are perverted of what they originally intended?
    It's just that I always thought the original Illuminati where created (By Davinci & company ?), to covertly release information that the Church was keeping secret.( Ie: the world is round not flat). Now they are all out devils working to destroy and enslave humanity.....
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    Quote I can't go into this to much more without complete disregard for the law of free will.
    Providing us information will violate the law how? (...was originally going to ask: who's free will? ---not sure which is the correct question)

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    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    Quote I can't go into this to much more without complete disregard for the law of free will.
    Providing us information will violate the law how? (...was originally going to ask: who's free will? ---not sure which is the correct question)
    Well the way I was taught,
    I was told never to share certain things without being asked.
    I was told that some people were not ready to learn certain things,
    that there progression should be at their pace.
    If you go around shouting certain things,
    you can really hurt others evolution and progression.
    I watched it happen with a good friend,
    he completely crumbled when given knowledge he wasn't ready for.
    The knowledge was given with a pure heart and right intent,
    but it wasn't his time and it was a hard lesson to learn.
    I didn't mean it in any kind of condescending way.
    I just don't think its fair to rattle off things to a certain degree without being asked.

    As for free will,
    Ill argue its just an illusion.
    You/I are just a puppet on a string playing out another's dream,
    but that's for another thread all together
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    You should post more often Dpwishy, lot of wisdom with your posts.

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    Quote Posted by noprophet (here)
    Quote Posted by Strat (here)
    Can you (or anyone) recommend a book on this? I like your logo analogy (working as a sign contractor I deal with this daily).
    I can give references of things that build into it. I don't really know of anything with a complete picture.

    One would be sacred geometry teachings on the concession of form from empty space, into a point. A very old concept that probably had massive influence on the "big bang theory".
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/dzyan01.htm#1 < Stanzas of Dyzan
    It is my opinion that the strength of theosophy, especially for its time, was to look at all the different cultural religions and practices and see that while they could be very different, they all carried the very similar unifying concepts.
    Whereas some take this to imply a former singularity of culture others see it as an eternal singularity of consciousness. (this pattern is everywhere)

    Drunvalo's excellent work on sacred geometry
    https://anonfiles.com/file/c1d881c03...e166a7377b4389
    This to me is really a book that says, look, there is organization here.

    The next would be what are the functional aspects of this geometry. Even if it is a illusion/hologram/whatever it still follows certain rules. Or, what does the geometry look like/apply in our reality.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/14205724/D...stical-Qabalah < kabalah
    This is actually what the kabalah does. This is also dangerous because to recognize the system and realize you are it, and take some responsibility in there... well, I can already hear the torches lighting...
    This is the place to be careful.

    Buddhism also seems good for this, though I am only mildly acquainted with their systems. The kabalah is simply more recognizable to western association. Though all the old systems have large egoic traps, anymore.

    David Wilcock's Source Field Investigations was also excellent at showing some modern linkages into this "system".

    A favorite of mine that I keep in my back pocket:
    http://supersededotcom.wordpress.com/ (it is very calm)

    My personal favorites that are not readily desirable form schizophrenia. (Maybe I have that backwards.. )
    http://q-wak.blogspot.com/
    https://youtube.com/user/TrampleOnSnakes3/videos?view=0
    https://youtube.com/user/theYOUsendME/videos?view=0

    I really don't think there is anything that can just "tell" you what it is. Words may have been invented just to avoid knowledge of these things. Ya never know.

    I don't entirely understand it, I just know when things exceed coincidence.[COLOR="red"]

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    This video really explains it all.
    i truly love the idea of patterns to be used to communicate deep meaning. Truly, this is teaching/communicating efficiently and effortless comprehension from the recipient (I would go as far as saying unconscious comprehension). I will definitely look at these pattern books for my own work.

    As for illuminatis patterns, many many of them are there to triggers programs in specially trained/programmed individuals and, by now, in the trained larger public, public trained through TV, much music videos, youtube videos, music, advertising, name it. We have been under heavy mind training/programming for years and the sigil will not only get charged when we looked at but also be sign posts activating our programming as individuals and as groups.

    Very clever work from the controllers.

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    Thanks guys.

    The OP was really more of an idea - a suggestion of a possibility - rather than any kind of absolute assertion of my position.

    A.D., I don't think you are necessarily disagreeing with my point (which, btw, was not to avoid any study of symbology whatsoever). As several of you have correctly pointed out here, symbols are all too frequently high-jacked and co-opted to mean something perhaps contrary to what they meant originally. My suggestion was to avoid getting too caught up in Illuminati-specific symbolism which, in this case, would be tied to their intended meanings and not necessarily the original/traditional connotations.

    For instance, let's say as a simplistic example, that they intend any depiction of devil-like horns to mean impending death (and by extension, a means to elicit fear in non-illuminati). If you have no prior knowledge of how the Illuminati uses this symbol, then you will likely not feel the fear that they want to provoke. If you are 'in the know', you can always try to resist this fear, but it will still at least be lingering in the back of your mind. This is all rather in the spirit of 'wherever thoughts go, there too energy flows'.

    There is plenty of other knowledge with which to empower oneself, setting aside concerns over the Illuminati. This principle need not be followed by everyone, but there are those with the tendency to become somewhat obsessive in learning as much as they can, painting the Illuminati as their enemy, all the while unwittingly feeding them their energy. This is, after all, a group which prides itself upon manipulating from behind the scenes, obscured by shadows, and as such cannot be confronted directly... Although I would wholeheartedly agree that they do not see the big picture, and do not wield the kind of absolute influence for which they crave.
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