The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i regularly (maybe 1 per month or 1 per quarter) i have a dream where i have an extreme taffy like sticky substance stuck in my mouth and especially in my teeth. i pull and pull and pull it out, over and over again until i am free of the taffy stuck in my teeth/back of my mouth/molars. i probably always change scenes once the taffy/substance has been pulled out, and never remember the feeling of it being fully out. can you perhaps point my consciousness in the right direction on this dream reminder?

also, ive had a couple dreams (once every few months or so) of dealing with animals that are of dark malicious personality. i'll usually be 'in my house' and the attacking animal will sneak near by and they jump at me/attack me. but i always grab the fierce animal by the scruff of their neck, whether or not i get "scratched" or "bit" by doing this in the dream, and toss the animal out.

usually they are smallish animals, like a raccoon (but totally rabid), or angry/wild dog etc. but very vicious.

A dream is usually a message from the HS. It always presents us with some issue we’re not facing fully enough in our lives. That’s “fully enough” by the HS’s high standards, but those standards involve our getting free of the ego as quickly as can possibly be done.

I believe it’s fairly clear what both those dreams are about, teradactyl. They both seem to be about much the same issues, and kudos to you for intuitively mentioning them both at the same time.

Because the issues from our dreams are ones we’re unaware we’re not facing fully, that means that what we need to look at is always some part of our dark side. I remember when I began regular astral travel, I got into the habit of finding my silver (and violet) cord before I did anything else. It usually seemed to be below me, at least initially. It was very fortunate that I initially concentrated on that cord, because it’s all positive. I now suspect, in retrospect, that that may have been the best psychic protection, because I would start by focusing on that totally positive thing and then whatever else I experienced was wherever it seemed to lead me to – and was again positive because I was concentrating on and therefore manifesting the positive. But I would also catch fleeting glimpses of dark energy accompanying me. Eventually I worked out that somehow that must be a part of me. Fortunately I didn’t focus on it. Whew!

Now, what do your dreams mean? The ferocious little animals are parts of your dark side. Obviously the emotional issue is anger. I assume and hope you’re dealing with your anger by energy work and/or psychotherapy and/or self-reflection and/or physical exercise. But obviously, the dreams are saying it’s not enough. I appreciate that working in real sales as you do, your anger “buttons” keep getting pressed. That’s ultimately a very good thing indeed, as long as you manage to deal with all that anger properly. In your dream you are throwing the ferocious animals out. That means you’re repressing some of your anger. Repression doesn’t work. It only creates more ego. You’re kind of just pushing those particular creatures deeper into the shadows, from where they can come out fighting even harder.

The second dream is about having to keep your lips zipped (or your teeth welded together), in your work. I don’t know exactly what this dream’s message is, other than that you don’t fully realize how frustrated you feel at this. Unfortunately, in work such as sales silence is golden, as you know, when it comes to telling some negative customers what you observe or feel from them. All your dream is saying is that you need to pay more attention to this and work on it.

If you don’t know or have access to proper and effective psychotherapy (I don’t mean psychoanalysis, nor any form of behavior modification), I can suggest one form of energy work to do twice a week or so. Get a big pillow – preferably not the one you sleep on. Sitting on your haunches, swing your arms and bash that pillow, with one arm after the other. If possible, try not to consciously think of any particular customer, because that starts to become a type of black magic. Do this for something like twenty minutes.

if i change the word "customers" or "work" and place the word, "mother" and it all makes sense. (as, i actually am not stressed at all at work, my customers have drama, but it doesnt involve me usually.)

but now my moms drama is a whole 'nother story. im possibly repressing my words/anger that is towards my mom when she pushes my buttons-as she 'hears' 1% of what i say....so i've stopped saying anything.

it is going to take a LOT of meditating to zen myself to be like water; when she pushes my buttons. i feel like i would just get trapped in her web (again). she is a difficult woman.

i will meditate on this to HS, and also beat a pillow. thanks TH.

[Finefeather]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
if i change the word "customers" or "work" and place the word, "mother" and it all makes sense. (as, i actually am not stressed at all at work, my customers have drama, but it doesnt involve me usually.)

but now my moms drama is a whole 'nother story. im possibly repressing my words/anger that is towards my mom when she pushes my buttons-as she 'hears' 1% of what i say....so i've stopped saying anything.

it is going to take a LOT of meditating to zen myself to be like water; when she pushes my buttons. i feel like i would just get trapped in her web (again). she is a difficult woman.

i will meditate on this to HS, and also beat a pillow. thanks TH.

Hi teradactyl
I think you just answered your own question to your mystery.
You are probably a very nice loving daughter who just cannot build up the courage to have a one on one with your mom...so building it up emotionally is really not going to help you or your mom.
Just a thought
Love
Ray

[soleil]

youre right ray.

although i find it very hard to get a wall to hear what you say, im sure a rock could communicate better than she could.

to be honest, there is very little love from me to her, which is due to the wedge she has put between us due to the hate she spews towards me behind everyone elses back. im the only one to hear her hate towards me, as she does it privately. im on the verge of no love at all, which is sad to say. and then nice like nothing happened in person, on the phone (etc) the next minute/day. this updownupdown is what i cannot handle. at all. i have also gone through long time periods of not talking to her at all.

[Finefeather]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
youre right ray.

although i find it very hard to get a wall to hear what you say, im sure a rock could communicate better than she could.

to be honest, there is very little love from me to her, which is due to the wedge she has put between us due to the hate she spews towards me behind everyone elses back. im the only one to hear her hate towards me, as she does it privately. im on the verge of no love at all, which is sad to say. and then nice like nothing happened in person, on the phone (etc) the next minute/day. this updownupdown is what i cannot handle. at all. i have also gone through long time periods of not talking to her at all.

i am not opposed to anyone pm'ing me with advice on this situation, and im open to discuss some details for understanding purposes. i'm sure this blocks me spiritually in a huge way.

Hi teradactyl
I don't want to steer this fine thread off course...I am probably already on the edge

With regard to the HS and your problem, I would say first that it takes 2 to cause conflict...the ego just cannot see it's own part in the feud...and 2 strong egos can be a bit like a mini war at times.
The second, and most important, thing is that we each have our own inner conflict going on inside us and before we can resolve external conflict we need to resolve inner conflict.

It is no use that you continually see your mom as the problem because why should a mom be so angry with her daughter to cause such conflict?...something must have caused her to react or act in the way you say.
If you are going to see the HS as some sort of arbitrator in your conflicts in life, then I think you might need to rethink your concept of the HS. Higher Selves do not have conflict...so this is an ego issue...nothing else.
No amount of meditation or efforts to instill or unveil the HS in your life is going to be successful...simply because your life conflict is closing the door to your efforts.

As TH has continually being telling us...stillness is the key...and our conflicts certainly do not help this process. It is a bit like the chicken and egg conundrum...to be still in our lives we need to resolve conflict and to open our consciousness to the HS we need stillness. The HS...because of it's very nature...can surely not take sides...but what it can do is show you your part of the problem...and as TH has pointed out dreams are one of the ways these messages can reach us. Your HS is giving you the answer...to your own inner conflict...you must act and resolve your inner conflict. Your mom is another Soul with her own issues...and I cannot determine what they might be...if any...because I do not know her.

A common problem I have found is that the problem lies in the one who has the most to complain about...and the reason for this is that person has the biggest ego controlling their life...and egos don't like to lose.

Take care and be love
Ray

[soleil]

thanks ray. no need to go off course. i appreciate your insight. i'll take this offline and dig deep within myself for peace on this.

[edit] i wanted to add, i do not view my HS as anything to do with conflict on the outside; actually i view HS as you mentioned, to help expose my inner conflict. i would say this is the last huge nail left to resolve in order (that i feel) to be more still/at peace in my life.

back on topic. thanks for the great help digging into my dreams and helping make sense of them (whether obvious or not).

[TraineeHuman]

teradactyl, when we are age two we copy "how to behave as a human being" from both of our parents. We copy it blindly, because we probably don't have any other examples to observe closely enough, and any siblings close to our age also don't seem to know, to us at age two.

When we reach somewhere between thirteen and sixteen we inwardly rebel against our parents. We probably don't leave home, but inside ourselves we subconsciously realize we have to be who we really are, and not a copy of one or two other individuals. Typically, we subconsciously do our best to resist the elephant in the room, and hence become a backhanded version of it.

Then, usually from the early twenties to the mid-thirties or late thirties we typically reject our parents so fully we may not want to have much contact with them. Subconsciously, we have by now worked out that much of the mess we have been "made into" by our own ego came from copying our parents or from any inadequacies in their parenting. Of course it's not really their "fault", because they did the very best they knew how, given their own weaknesses and their situation and their egos. This blame goes very deep, to much of the core of the ego.

The good news is that if you can learn to detach from it, you'll have learnt how to detach yourself from much of your ego. It's better if you can get there before thirty rather than before fifty. By the latter age, I think more than 50% people have done it, or are close to it.

Also, you say you can't feel any love for her, but that's because you're blocking yourself off from the pain of feeling the love you have there at a deeper layer. Which is kind of what really living in the HS is all about.

[AwakeInADream]

I'm sorry in advance for the length of this post, I should have posted half of it yesterday but I like to take a little time to think about my experiences first (so I don't seem as crazy LOL) and I really didn't expect so much to happen over two days.

I had another phase/bi-location experience today which I will get to, but this will make more sense If I go through things in order. I mentioned last time I phased that I meditated for an extended period before hand, but I neglected to mention the nature of this meditation, which might just be important since I'm getting results from it. What I did was to do the 'feeling the aliveness' exercise and extend my awareness into the room, and then I extended this awareness further filling the world and even the universe. To realize that 'All That Is' feels just as great to be alive as I do, is a little like perceiving the unity of the enlightenment experience, without having to actually become enlightened. Knowing that unconditional love pervades every atom of the universe and every life-form in it, really puts this human ego drama into perspective. Everything is as it should be right now, it only remains to be seen by everyone else. I think this is why I've been walking around with a big smile on my face lately. Nothing in the physical/ego world can even cause a ripple in this larger underlying reality.

So holding this feeling in my awareness for over an hour was a great platform for entering into the phase, and in a way just doing this meant I was partly out of my body before I'd even started. So I came up with some variations on this meditation which were inspired by two video's posted earlier on this thread. One was Ray's post #686 with the Itzhak Bentov video in which he talks of the sounds that meditators hear in they're heads, and the domino effect of all the chakras coming into alignment by resonance at 7Hz. I have always heard this very low drone emanating from the back of my head and so I figured that this must be the 7Hz tone that brings the body into alignment with the Earth and the Solar System that Bentov talked about. So the first meditation I tried was to use the technique that Drunvalo talked about in the video in TraineeHumans post #471 where you bring both ends of the tubes going through the 3rd eye into synchronisation by willing them to pulse at the same rate. I used this to cause my whole body to pulse and vibrate at the same rate as the low vibratory sound I hear at the back of my head, and it had some rather odd (undescribable) effects on my consciousness, like some dramatic change very nearly happened.

Then yesterday I started to wonder how could I tell if this was the sound that Bentov spoke of, or if it was simply my own personal tone (meaning that I was only in tune with myself and nothing larger). It was a nice sunny day and I was thinking, what can I use to compare it with? The answer was shining on my face. I saw the Sun's rays and felt the suns heat and sensed the vibration that occurred and when I compared it to the vibration in my head I knew that it was not the same. It is a natural human ability to be able to detect that a low C on a piano is the same note as a C played one or two (or any number of) octaves above, so the principle is the same when comparing the light, heat and general 'feeling' of the sun to the sound in my head. Anyway, so the Sun felt really great, which gave me a better idea for a meditation. To fill up my whole body and resonate with the light of the Sun.

I did this meditation for around an hour when I got home, and right towards the end I start to feel like I could phase and leave my body, but I didn't want to just phase into the living room again. I wanted to go outside my house where it was still sunny, and just at that very moment, in a trance like state, as the thought 'Sun' passed through my mind, a voice seemed to answer the thought. A female voice spoke the (still rather cryptic) words "We started a new topic on the Sun in January 1994"??? So that put a stop to my phase attempt yesterday at least. I have to get up and write that down, all the time wondering who she was and what could that statement mean. She said "We" which could imply that there is more than one of them (Guides/GA's?), or else "We" could mean she is the teacher and "We" are the students. The date was very specific too, I Googled it and found that there were some strong solar storms that month that caused two Canadian satellites to malfunction, and in the US there was a rare annular eclipse that caused the Sun to appear like a ring of fire because the Moon didn't quite cover it all. So what does "new topic on the Sun" mean? Are the Guides and GA's using the Sun to beam new information at us?

So to get to today's phase. I lay down to meditate this afternoon with two objectives. One to try to phase/bi-locate and two to ask this lady who she is in the hope that I might get an answer (or at least a clarification on the Sun thing). I started with the feeling the aliveness expansion meditation and just waited. Pretty soon my whole body is buzzing, especially at the back of my head, even the room seems to buzz a little. Then I get this strong smell of a swimming pool, I feel water starting to get into my mouth, so I stop fast and have this realization. I think 'I've got everything I need in place to leave my body, all the right things are happening. The only thing that stops me from leaving is a childhood fear of water and drowning.' Personally I'm not even consciously aware that I was afraid of water as a child, but presumably before I could swim there must have been some fear. Anyway, then I seemed to reassure myself that it wasn't possible to drown if I left my body because there's no water out there.

I began then to focus my attention outside so I can phase, but again I start to hear voices. Much louder this time, more of a full blown audible hallucination, talking for about ten minuets off and on. There were male voices, female voices and the voices of teenagers and children. I can't remember everything that was spoken, and a lot of it didn't make sense, but I was able half way through to speak out loud and ask "Who are you lady?" and the voices responded. A woman's voice spoke a sentence I can't remember, but I think ending with the word "-----achievement". One sentence I did remember, because it was repeated by all of the voices (but mainly the children) was something like "There are much to many seal's dying" (weird I know...). Thinking about it later, when I spoke out loud to the voices I must have been out of my body because when I kept looking around the room things were different but it was just like being awake. At one point the room was dark and I thought it was night, but it was still day. Also I had another astral visit from my cat, she jumped up next to me on the bed and curled up to sleep, but she was too small, like a kitten.

Next thing I'm phasing, floating through my living room, only it's different, much tidier than I left it (LOL). I remember then that I wanted to be outside around the front of the house so I approach the window and stop for a second and think about how I'm going to pass through it. I then just seemed to will myself forwards and go through the window without feeling anything. Then I notice on a path behind my house there stand two giant man-sized quartz crystals (the same as the object I 'targeted' last time). I have to turn right then to get around to the front of my house, turning seems rather strange and difficult, I manage it but as I do I notice a trailing effect happening on the ground below which goes back to normal when I'm moving straight again.

As I get to the front car park I think about remembering a car licence plate so I can prove to myself that this was really happening. So as I'm manuvering myself over to one of the cars for a closer look I realize that I'm actually swimming (instead of the arm flapping I do in dreams) through invisible water, and also I'm breathing in a way that sounds like through my teeth. The thought crosses my mind that I don't need to breath here, but I daren't risk stopping breathing just yet (just in-case). So here's were I make a mistake. There are two cars in the car park that are normally there, and two that aren't. So I choose to remember the licence plate on the car that I've never seen before, a tatty old cream coloured van, which ended in "777K". I found out later when I looked through my window that that car wasn't there, and probably didn't even exist. An astral inconsistency, just my luck to choose that car...

After that I had a 'conversation' with a rather mean man I saw, he growled "Get out of my way!" and I tried to be polite to him, offering to move an astral table out of his way so he could pass by. He just said "Shut up!". I guess that some people in the astral feel that they have no need to be polite to one another, because I suppose they can't exactly get 'beat up' in the non-physical can they. I guess I was in the lower astral then?

Sorry about the length again. Anyway I think I've really helped my self (as my HS) to overcome a major (unconscious) hurdle to going OBE (childhood fear of water). I really couldn't have done it without myself LOL. Or this thread Thanks TH and all who contribute!

[Chester]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Time for a reality check I think

Take care
Ray

I think its time we accept that my view... that there are multiple, equally valid realities besides just the realms you seem to believe are the only reality is not your view and may never be. I am at peace with this.

But I think its important for readers who have their own experiences to be honored for their experiences... that the "reality" they understand to exist for them from those experiences is valid for their own spiritual journey... even though their experiences/realities might not fit into the "reality check" as determined by a very well intentioned Ray.

I honor your view that your "reality" (for you) is real (to you). I also have hopes you might find true freedom from all realms of form for until one does (at least I believe), one becomes the knower where everyone else is ignorant.

No "great" teachers, sages, gurus, spiritual masters, etc. have ever changed the course this planet has charted.

It will only make that significant change when enough within humanity conquer form by realizing the illusion it all is... not just this material realm, but any experiential realm... all and only a magic trick we seem memorized into falling for.

[TraineeHuman]

To everyone who’s only ever had one partial or full OBE, including very partial if you like, let me say clearly that I believe it’s not so important for you to have more such experiences. Not at all. What’s important is for you to experience your HS. In all my experience, that automatically becomes a type of OBE in a higher dimension anyway (sixth dimension or higher) once you become more familiar with it. You don’t even have to try then. (I trust some of Ray's remarks have greatly helped you appreciate why this might be so.)

I hope people like shipo, Raymondo, Haulinbananas, nevermnd, Eram, Orph, maybe OOO (Aleksandra), probably Reinhard, maybe Freed Fox, maybe wolfgaze, Ron Mauer, maybe Shamz, Deneon, DeDukshyn, maybe seeker1972, Smoke Me a Kipper, maybe Strat, G.Deluca, and misfit312 all appreciate that I’m being absolutely serious and transparent here.

Maybe this is a good spot for me to throw in a mention about the Feeling the Aliveness exercise. Actually, “Feeling the HS” would be an equally accurate title for it. No exaggeration. It’s ridiculously simple to do. Maybe the biggest hurdle is that because I’m calling it an exercise, most of you are thinking to yourselves that it must be hard. It’s not hard at all. It’s totally natural. I must confess I threw it in quite early in this thread because I was hoping the penny would drop and quite a number of you would learn to do it. I was hoping many of you folk, including everyone listed in the previous paragraph, would just do it. I mean, it’s easier than falling off a log. And then I could talk to you all about how you’re really already in the beginning stages of traveling in 6D! I’m absolutely floored that only AwakeInADream and teradactyl seem to have picked the ball up. Funny how they’re both getting somewhere… (Of course, Ray, kintun, probably Libico, and some others certainly don’t need to do it. But what about the rest of you, may I ask?)

I mean, wouldn’t you like to have a super easy way to start becoming aware sometimes that you really do have two consciousnesses, one of which is your HS?

I hesitate to mention the challenge of facing your ego in the same post as I mention the above exercise. Please don’t imagine that our ego can sabotage that exercise for you. I’ve ever so carefully chosen from over half a lifetime’s repertoire of exercises to give you one that’s ego-proof.

But anyway, I’d like to say I don’t consider the recent discussion of the challenge for teradactyl of overcoming the ego (in relation to her mother) the least bit irrelevant to helping people develop it all further. It’s a hell of a good example of what it means the challenge of facing your ego means. Maybe teradactyl thinks it’s just a hell example, but there you are. On second thoughts, I’ll save my further comments on this for another post.

[Finefeather]

Posted by justoneman (here)
I think its time we accept that my view... that there are multiple, equally valid realities besides just the realms you seem to believe are the only reality is not your view and may never be. I am at peace with this.

But I think its important for readers who have their own experiences to be honored for their experiences... that the "reality" they understand to exist for them from those experiences is valid for their own spiritual journey... even though their experiences/realities might not fit into the "reality check" as determined by a very well intentioned Ray.

I honor your view that your "reality" (for you) is real (to you). I also have hopes you might find true freedom from all realms of form for until one does (at least I believe), one becomes the knower where everyone else is ignorant.

No "great" teachers, sages, gurus, spiritual masters, etc. have ever changed the course this planet has charted.

It will only make that significant change when enough within humanity conquer form by realizing the illusion it all is... not just this material realm, but any experiential realm... all and only a magic trick we seem memorized into falling for.

Hi Chester
Good post...thanks...and very relevant to the thread.

First Life is not an illusion...illusion is just your mind playing tricks on you because of lack of knowledge...and wrong conclusions.

From your post it is clear that you have this belief that I am stuck in my own little world and cannot see that we all have our own experiences and reality. You think I am narrow minded and probably trying to prevent you or others from having their own reality and may I say fun. You think I am been dogmatic and see only my own point of view.

You are obviously having difficulty in understanding my stance on reality...and I apologize for not been able to make it clearer. It is not a simple subject to deal with IMO...we might very well be barking up the same tree...

When I first came face to face with this question of whether everyone was having their own reality and is this all ok and correct...and as it should be?...I had exactly the same understanding of this as I seem to think you have now. I now would call it the reality of the ego...because again...in line with this thread and the HS...we can see clearly the individuality (from one point of view) of the phrase...”we create our own reality” which is used by many to individualize their journey to wherever they may be heading at the time. It has been used as an excuse by some for their obvious mistakes...and as a joy to others who seek their own individual experiences.

If we look a little deeper into this occurrence...of each having their own reality...we will eventually begin to notice something beyond this individually created reality...we will start to notice a thing called chaos emerging...an, 'every man for himself' attitude, becoming part of the norm. This is the narrow thinking and egotistical way of life on earth as it is today. It leads to a lack of togetherness...and group orientation is weakened...which results in the collective been watered down to a point where we can be easily manipulated and controlled...this is exactly what the cabal is using as it's primary agent for it's work...individuality.

So what is the real meaning of this metaphysical phrase...”we create our own reality”? It means that we are free to enjoy the many beautiful qualities and things life has to offer...we can live live in whatever way we like...seek whatever we like...do whatever we like...think however we like...BUT...the less enlightened we are the more likely it will be that our reality is an illusion. So for the average ego driven human, reality is often just an exercise in living in illusion...but to the enlightened human being reality becomes a choice...but with a very different effect...it becomes a very real movement towards group awareness and group wellness and group enhancement.

If you watched the Itzhak Bentov video I posted, he shows this very clearly in the first part, where we see all the little individual egos at the bottom...all separate and not interested in any body's problems except their own well being and supposed reality. As we become more enlightened we move and merge into one another's space (group) and our reality becomes modified and is no longer an individual ego desire...but a group oriented plan. At this level we are still able to enjoy individual experiences...but our reality is not the same anymore.

The HS is the pinnacle of individuality...from a human point of view...it is in itself just a fragment of a higher intelligent Being which we can only speculate about.

Chester...I am quite sure I understand what you are trying to teach me...the question would be from which point of view are you seeing reality?...when we are still just struggling to understand the very basics of the HS. I suspect that we might have the same basic understanding of reality and so please do not get the impression that I am trying to steer you into any reckless direction. Language will forever be a barrier...and the only real way of knowing...that next level of consciousness...is to strengthen the HS influence or participation in our lives.

Take care and love to you and all
Ray

[OOO]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
To everyone who’s only ever had one partial or full OBE, including very partial if you like, let me say clearly that I believe it’s not so important for you to have more such experiences. Not at all. What’s important is for you to experience your HS. In all my experience, that automatically becomes a type of OBE in a higher dimension anyway (sixth dimension or higher) once you become more familiar with it. You don’t even have to try then. (I trust some of Ray's remarks have greatly helped you appreciate why this might be so.)

I hope people like shipo, Raymondo, Haulinbananas, nevermnd, Eram, Orph, maybe OOO (Aleksandra), probably Reinhard, maybe Freed Fox, maybe wolfgaze, Ron Mauer, maybe Shamz, Deneon, DeDukshyn, maybe seeker1972, Smoke Me a Kipper, maybe Strat, G.Deluca, and misfit312 all appreciate that I’m being absolutely serious and transparent here.

Maybe this is a good spot for me to throw in a mention about the Feeling the Aliveness exercise. Actually, “Feeling the HS” would be an equally accurate title for it. No exaggeration. It’s ridiculously simple to do. Maybe the biggest hurdle is that because I’m calling it an exercise, most of you are thinking to yourselves that it must be hard. It’s not hard at all. It’s totally natural. I must confess I threw it in quite early in this thread because I was hoping the penny would drop and quite a number of you would learn to do it. I was hoping many of you folk, including everyone listed in the previous paragraph, would just do it. I mean, it’s easier than falling off a log. And then I could talk to you all about how you’re really already in the beginning stages of traveling in 6D! I’m absolutely floored that only AwakeInADream and teradactyl seem to have picked the ball up. Funny how they’re both getting somewhere… (Of course, Ray, kintun, probably Libico, and some others certainly don’t need to do it. But what about the rest of you, may I ask?)

I mean, wouldn’t you like to have a super easy way to start becoming aware sometimes that you really do have two consciousnesses, one of which is your HS?

I hesitate to mention the challenge of facing your ego in the same post as I mention the above exercise. Please don’t imagine that our ego can sabotage that exercise for you. I’ve ever so carefully chosen from over half a lifetime’s repertoire of exercises to give you one that’s ego-proof.

But anyway, I’d like to say I don’t consider the recent discussion of the challenge for teradactyl of overcoming the ego (in relation to her mother) the least bit irrelevant to helping people develop it all further. It’s a hell of a good example of what it means the challenge of facing your ego means. Maybe teradactyl thinks it’s just a hell example, but there you are. On second thoughts, I’ll save my further comments on this for another post.

The charm of this thread is not only getting an obe,
but discovering the HS. An obe is just a tool.
My tool for total communion with HS is painting.
I spend hours in a trance oblivious to time, hunger and
all bodily functions. When people request a painting from me
I paint through channeling(not sure if thsts a correct word)
my HS. I receive psychic information and am able to tune
into their soul essence through feeling. So they get a painting
and a reading.
However, I desire this union with HS to be there at all
times not only when painting. Why is it so effortless when
I am immersed in creating?

Also I can feel my HS when I do energy work and raise my
Vibration, but that too requires concentration and discipline.

There is some amazing info in this thread, especially for
dense and abstract thinkers like me. Thank you.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
But anyway, I’d like to say I don’t consider the recent discussion of the challenge for teradactyl of overcoming the ego (in relation to her mother) the least bit irrelevant to helping people develop it all further. It’s a hell of a good example of what it means the challenge of facing your ego means. Maybe teradactyl thinks it’s just a hell example, but there you are. On second thoughts, I’ll save my further comments on this for another post.

nope, its what i need to hear. its rather hell not facing my ego.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by OOO (here)
I desire this union with HS to be there at all
times not only when painting. Why is it so effortless when
I am immersed in creating?

Words are largely all we have on an internet Forum, Aleksandra. Everything I write about is based on my direct experience, or on close similarities to something I have experienced. I’ve mentioned a few times before that the right priority is that experience needs to come first, and then some words can be very helpful. But I can’t somehow force anyone not to read a post unless they’ve been working on having relevant experiences. It does take work and commitment.

When you have your experience of making art, there’s always an initial “spadework” phase, is there not? During that phase you go through a trial-and-error process, do you not? And doesn’t that trial-and-error part involve experiencing huge frustration? But you don’t let that frustration or the magnitude of the artistic problems you’re working to solve get you down, do you? Not in the least. Why? Let me suggest it’s ultimately just because you let yourself feel strongly that it’s great to be alive whenever you adopt your artist mode. That feeling of delight undercuts everything else.

So, you know how to do the Feeling the Aliveness exercise already. But maybe it would help if you put on your painter’s coat first? Perhaps you should try putting that coat on and pretending you’re about to do a painting, then take the coat off and see if you can stay with that feeling. That feeling is so simple, our ego worked hard at around the age of twelve months to throw us off it. Then again at around age four. By the way, as long as you’re feeling how good it is simply to be alive, you can’t help liking yourself, because you’re the one who’s being alive. One of the first steps to becoming an artist of life -- which we all should be doing, and why aren't you all? -- is to use the feeling of your aliveness as a kind of home base for genuinely liking everything you do and are. If there's some little problem accepting yourself warts and all just as you are, go back to feeling the aliveness and simply notice that while you are doing that you are indeed fully accepting yourself. Feeling the aliveness will model for you what it's like to totally self-accept. Let that humble experience be your light and your leader. It's not rocket science.

I happen to know that teradactyl will also need to get in touch with this feeling when she faces her mother, or else mum will be too big a problem for her to overcome. Yet it’s so simple. It’s simpler than simple. All you have to do is do it. Just trust that it’s enough to put you right in your Higher Self whenever you’re doing it. Just trust that whenever you’re in your HS you’re automatically in a very positive and powerful position. Just keep doing it. Eventually your awareness of where you really are when you do it will grow. You don’t need to add on all (or any of) the bells and whistles AwakeInADream does, though they seem to work well for him.

[Freed Fox]

TH, I can of course only speak for myself, but you're wrong in saying that only Awake and teradactyl have followed what you've been saying. I have done the 'Feeling Aliveness' exercise several times now. Actually, when I read it originally it seemed to be exactly my meditation process... the only difference being that I don't typically ask myself (or HS, or what-have-you) what it feels like simply being alive. I don't know if that means that I'm not meditating 'properly', or what... I have not commented on that exercise due to it bringing no noticeable difference of affect from my typical experience whilst meditating. Usually, it just makes me feel 'OK'. There is no greater elation or anything of that sort. That doesn't mean that I've just abandoned it, but in my experience there has been no major definitive leap as you seem to imply there should be.

I'm not trying to force an OBE. Though I would like to experience it, I've brought my self to a place in which I'm willing to accept that it may not be necessary for this particular incarnation. I realize now that my initial conceptualization of the Higher Self may have been over-inflated by some of the more grandiose descriptions/embellishments of it out and around. I am making considerable progress with my ego, and am generally at peace with everything I experience (at least to a much, much greater degree than I was merely a few months ago).

I hope this doesn't all come off as sounding defensive. I merely wish to point out that although I have no profound progress to share (like in AwakeinaDream's brilliant recent post), it is not for lack of trying, and should not imply that there has been no progress at all.

[TraineeHuman]

Freed Fox, if that's already part of your meditation process, it will no doubt deepen and lead to more when it's ready to and you're probably not expecting it to, and you don't need to change anything you're doing. My apologies for implying it will lead to results immediately. The part about asking yourself that question is mainly just for when a person is beginning.

That exercise seems remarkable to me because it can give direct access to some things which otherwise seem to come only after extensive progress in meditation. But maybe many people need to make such progress first (or perhaps progress in being, say, an artist) before they can get the benefits I have in mind. That would also explain why so few members have commented about feeling the aliveness.

[Chester]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
I think its time we accept that my view... that there are multiple, equally valid realities besides just the realms you seem to believe are the only reality is not your view and may never be. I am at peace with this.

But I think its important for readers who have their own experiences to be honored for their experiences... that the "reality" they understand to exist for them from those experiences is valid for their own spiritual journey... even though their experiences/realities might not fit into the "reality check" as determined by a very well intentioned Ray.

I honor your view that your "reality" (for you) is real (to you). I also have hopes you might find true freedom from all realms of form for until one does (at least I believe), one becomes the knower where everyone else is ignorant.

No "great" teachers, sages, gurus, spiritual masters, etc. have ever changed the course this planet has charted.

It will only make that significant change when enough within humanity conquer form by realizing the illusion it all is... not just this material realm, but any experiential realm... all and only a magic trick we seem memorized into falling for.

Hi Chester
Good post...thanks...and very relevant to the thread.

First Life is not an illusion...illusion is just your mind playing tricks on you because of lack of knowledge...and wrong conclusions.

From your post it is clear that you have this belief that I am stuck in my own little world and cannot see that we all have our own experiences and reality. You think I am narrow minded and probably trying to prevent you or others from having their own reality and may I say fun. You think I am been dogmatic and see only my own point of view.

You are obviously having difficulty in understanding my stance on reality...and I apologize for not been able to make it clearer. It is not a simple subject to deal with IMO...we might very well be barking up the same tree...

When I first came face to face with this question of whether everyone was having their own reality and is this all ok and correct...and as it should be?...I had exactly the same understanding of this as I seem to think you have now. I now would call it the reality of the ego...because again...in line with this thread and the HS...we can see clearly the individuality (from one point of view) of the phrase...”we create our own reality” which is used by many to individualize their journey to wherever they may be heading at the time. It has been used as an excuse by some for their obvious mistakes...and as a joy to others who seek their own individual experiences.

If we look a little deeper into this occurrence...of each having their own reality...we will eventually begin to notice something beyond this individually created reality...we will start to notice a thing called chaos emerging...an, 'every man for himself' attitude, becoming part of the norm. This is the narrow thinking and egotistical way of life on earth as it is today. It leads to a lack of togetherness...and group orientation is weakened...which results in the collective been watered down to a point where we can be easily manipulated and controlled...this is exactly what the cabal is using as it's primary agent for it's work...individuality.

So what is the real meaning of this metaphysical phrase...”we create our own reality”? It means that we are free to enjoy the many beautiful qualities and things life has to offer...we can live live in whatever way we like...seek whatever we like...do whatever we like...think however we like...BUT...the less enlightened we are the more likely it will be that our reality is an illusion. So for the average ego driven human, reality is often just an exercise in living in illusion...but to the enlightened human being reality becomes a choice...but with a very different effect...it becomes a very real movement towards group awareness and group wellness and group enhancement.

If you watched the Itzhak Bentov video I posted, he shows this very clearly in the first part, where we see all the little individual egos at the bottom...all separate and not interested in any body's problems except their own well being and supposed reality. As we become more enlightened we move and merge into one another's space (group) and our reality becomes modified and is no longer an individual ego desire...but a group oriented plan. At this level we are still able to enjoy individual experiences...but our reality is not the same anymore.

The HS is the pinnacle of individuality...from a human point of view...it is in itself just a fragment of a higher intelligent Being which we can only speculate about.

Chester...I am quite sure I understand what you are trying to teach me...the question would be from which point of view are you seeing reality?...when we are still just struggling to understand the very basics of the HS. I suspect that we might have the same basic understanding of reality and so please do not get the impression that I am trying to steer you into any reckless direction. Language will forever be a barrier...and the only real way of knowing...that next level of consciousness...is to strengthen the HS influence or participation in our lives.

Take care and love to you and all
Ray

as posted by sms in a relevant thread

And, a normal human being , beside his physical body, has 3 (three) components! The Mind component, the Spirit component and the Soul component. We may even say, three kinds of consciousness, the Mind consciousness, the Spirit consciousness and the Soul consciousness. Not one, not two, but three. And the third one was taken out of “equation”. Why?

Because, we live in a controlled reality, and in a controlled reality, we can only have a controlled spirit-uality. So called, archontic forces which control this reality, do not have the Soul component. However, to have a full expression in this holographic or virtual reality, one has to have all components. So, as the archons have the Mind component and the Spirit component, they are pumping various versions of false spirituality into our reality through people who act as their vehicles (or proxy-servers).

A virtual reality is not "reality" to me - thus why I see "this" as illusion.

I am convinced the experiences some have in the astral are part of this controlled reality. It is easy to say..."Yes, all that is just a part of the lower astral, but above that is all love and light" etc. - as who can argue?

Of course, to those few chosen experiencers, that the experiences we have in this realm (which include the experiences in the dream state and beyond... OBE exercises for example) - that it is a trick upon the mind would not seem the case, much less could that be easily admitted to. The ego is quite powerful in this regards when it comes to protecting the paradigm.

But it makes no sense any ensouled being would be thrust in some realm to learn something a loving parent would freely give to each and every one of their children. Not some paradigm where one must return over and over and over over a multitude of lifetimes only to experience every way possible they can suffer and that they can make others suffer "to learn."

That sort of idea sounds far more like one of the many tactics used by a clever prison warden who never wants his captives to escape.

As Morpheus said to Neo... "Welcome (lightning strikes)... to the real world.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by justoneman (here)
... it makes no sense any ensouled being would be thrust in some realm to learn something a loving parent would freely give to each and every one of their children. Not some paradigm where one must return over and over and over over a multitude of lifetimes only to experience every way possible they can suffer and that they can make others suffer "to learn."

That sort of idea sounds far more like one of the many tactics used by a clever prison warden who never wants his captives to escape.

The problem you state, Chester, is a variant of what is well known as the problem of evil. "If God is good and loving, why does God allow "evil", and all it implies, to exist?" The usual answer is: "Because without having "evil" to struggle against and to ultimately even see to be illusory, people would not be able to grow stronger as quickly as they do."

Some talk of encountering "the Archangel Michael", but I believe I know that that is just the title of a position. I suspect the incumbent of that position only gets changed once every few thousand years. But the position seems to be always occupied by a benevolent divine being, who, I can assure you, is no prison warden. I happen to have met the god Pan, and he has apparently often occupied this position in the distant past. "The Archangel Michael" is, so to speak, the CEO of the entire realms of 4D and 5D in so far as they have any connection with this planet. This isn't an illusion. This is a real position, just as President of the US is a real position -- so to speak. You can't just say that some counter-illusion you may make up can be equally valid or real at all, in this universe.

The "conclusion" that the planet is nothing but a prison is a somewhat wild one, I'd suggest. Do you have a proper argument in support of this "conclusion"? I agree that it's a planet of limitations, but the jump to "prison" is merely or mostly a metaphorical one, as far as I'm aware. One of the many difficulties is the fact that ultimately, free will itself is an illusion. If you could know the best possible way you could behave and be, then if you should "freely choose" to always be the best you could be, your behavior would not involve any free choice at all, because you would be totally surrendered to being the best you possible. On the other hand, if you tried to exercise free will as dramatically and often as possible, most of your choices would be bad ones because we never individually have even a fraction enough information to base any of our choices on.

[Finefeather]

Posted by justoneman (here)

as posted by sms in a relevant thread

And, a normal human being , beside his physical body, has 3 (three) components! The Mind component, the Spirit component and the Soul component. We may even say, three kinds of consciousness, the Mind consciousness, the Spirit consciousness and the Soul consciousness. Not one, not two, but three. And the third one was taken out of “equation”. Why?

Because, we live in a controlled reality, and in a controlled reality, we can only have a controlled spirit-uality. So called, archontic forces which control this reality, do not have the Soul component. However, to have a full expression in this holographic or virtual reality, one has to have all components. So, as the archons have the Mind component and the Spirit component, they are pumping various versions of false spirituality into our reality through people who act as their vehicles (or proxy-servers).

A virtual reality is not "reality" to me - thus why I see "this" as illusion.

I am convinced the experiences some have in the astral are part of this controlled reality. It is easy to say..."Yes, all that is just a part of the lower astral, but above that is all love and light" etc. - as who can argue?

Of course, to those few chosen experiencers, that the experiences we have in this realm (which include the experiences in the dream state and beyond... OBE exercises for example) - that it is a trick upon the mind would not seem the case, much less could that be easily admitted to. The ego is quite powerful in this regards when it comes to protecting the paradigm.

But it makes no sense any ensouled being would be thrust in some realm to learn something a loving parent would freely give to each and every one of their children. Not some paradigm where one must return over and over and over over a multitude of lifetimes only to experience every way possible they can suffer and that they can make others suffer "to learn."

That sort of idea sounds far more like one of the many tactics used by a clever prison warden who never wants his captives to escape.

As Morpheus said to Neo... "Welcome (lightning strikes)... to the real world.

Chester
I can see from your involvement in threads like the Horus-Ra science fiction thread that you are still stuck in the sticky mess and confusion that threads of this nature will end up drawing many into. So I am not even going to attempt to get involved in your belief system here.
The illusion is quite obviously alive and well and living in these threads...and that was one of the very reason I decided to withdraw from it.
Every serious occult student knows and understands the true nature of what this phenomena is, that has been raised to an almost hysterical pedestal. I have noticed that finally after 100s of pages of speculation and amazing stories some light is beginning to dawn.

This thread, and especially it's emphasis on Higher Self connection is the very key to the solution of the Horus Ra type threads. The entities, that are now been identified and discussed who have lost this 'Soul' aspect, are quite simply...humans and lower astral entities, known for eons to the occult students as...among many other...'Human Artificial s' and in some instances...'Non-Human Elemental Essenses'. They have simply lost connection to a Higher Self...so they roam around feeding off...and attaching themselves to...and in some cases possessing...the normal living human being...and yes they can be quite a handful.

So what has created these ill minded entities? The loss of Higher Self connection...a result of, sometimes millions of years of ego driven mindset...to the point that the connection is no longer possible. The Higher Self...despite much effort and help from rescue attempts both in the astral and the physical...finally looses all contact with it's offspring or sensor on the lower planes.
I have seen this on 100s of occasions during my rescue work. I have mentioned this in this very thread here:

Posted by Finefeather (here)
In all of my years of being involved in my work, I have met few that are not able to be successfully rescued from the difficulties some of us get ourselves involved in...some are serious and some are quite comical...but all are loved and helped when the call is put out. The HS is aware of every little move we make and it often leaves it's personality/ego offspring to it's own devices. We are all...as human physical beings...in fact just another 'sensor' for the HS to gain the knowledge and experience of a physical reality...this should alert you to the fact that it is possible...and I am not trying to instil fear here...to completely break from our 'HS' and 'Source'...this is rare and disastrous if it occurs...and is the truth behind the attitudes and going on of those in this world who end up in institutions and high powered 'evil' positions where power and money and cruelty is evident.

Now once this break from the Higher Self is evident...the 'person' left 'behind' has no other option left but to live the rest of it's existence out in the lower astral planes. There is no connection to a HS and these are the entities who have been given the glorious name of the Archons...when in fact despite their perceived nature and power...are nothing more than a thought form waiting to die...so what does it do? It's fights for it's survival. These beings or entities are rare and if you think of a million of them it is still only a tiny fraction of 1% of the human population...never mind all the Souls who are not incarnate. If you play with fire...expect some consequences.

This is all that this big mystery is all about...a band of incarnate and discarnate entities scaring the living daylights out of the ignorant...when in fact we as 'real' humans are far more powerful than they ever will be...all it takes is an active involvement of the HS in our life. This brings tremendous protection in our life because the HS needs the flow of information for it's own consciousness expansion...which in turn expands the consciousness of the group we call the human collective.

There will always be these material forces in life...so we need to get over it...focus on the real goal and use love in out lives...because the power of love is the most powerful force in existance.

Take care
Ray

[soleil]

im new to all this, but what ray is saying is where my conclusion lies too, chester.

i havent read anything on archons, or horus ra(? too many pages i cant bother starting now), because its not where i want to spend my energy. its also the same if i spent all my time reading infowars, id go into a depressed state and be rather paranoid and anxious.

id rather feel alive and be in HS; than pick on the evil guys. at some point all that attention of talking about all the evil they do should be transformed into more positive action and discussion.

where attention goes, energy flows.....

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
i havent read anything on archons, or horus ra(? too many pages i cant bother starting now), because its not where i want to spend my energy. its also the same if i spent all my time reading infowars, id go into a depressed state and be rather paranoid and anxious.

id rather feel alive and be in HS; than pick on the evil guys. at some point all that attention of talking about all the evil they do should be transformed into more positive action and discussion.

where attention goes, energy flows.....

I also have reached a point where trying to understand and paying attention to the dark side of reality has very limited value.

No longer are the details needed, although sometimes I'll get a little curious. Solutions are where I want my attention to be.

Conscious connection to HS is the ultimate solution I think.

Conscious connection to HS is the ever elusive solution I want that will bring to me freedom, well being and joy.