So You Think You’re Awakened: What next?

[Another1]

Greetings Rahkyt, the trip goes onward and well thank you. I'm fairly new here and keep catching myself talking to some of these nic names on screen with 'where you been all my life?' *G The level of actual conversation here is refreshing.

There is the idea that one should continue to seek the highest form of enlightenment and, by so doing, one contributes to the whole and to those with whom one interacts along the way.

This is gold in my opinion, fix our own wagon and let the vibes raised help everyone else. It's simple and real to me. We stop contributing to the problem this way.

Is the conception of a conscious community such as Shambhala possible and can it exist as an expression in the material world?

According to something inside me that refuses to let it go, yes. This kind of community is possible. It's like written into my DNA to such a degree that no amount of beating or resignation to the thought, "perhaps not this lifetime," will make it go away. For now though, the popular thought is that you can not fix something from within it. We must let everything fall down so it can be rebuilt. Pretty much what the illuminaughty had in mind in the first place. The only question remaining is who or what's 'order' will come from the chaos.

[greybeard]

One popular teacher says "if you want to help---stay out of traffic" You can take quite a lot out of that.
A rising tide lifts all boats. Every step forward the seeming individual takes the higher the other boats float.
The pioneer clears the path for those who come behind-- progress becomes quicker and easier--- a once difficult trail becomes a path then a road.
What you do with good intent is important, no matter how small the act may seem.
Chris

[Mark]

Posted by Another1 (here)

There is the idea that one should continue to seek the highest form of enlightenment and, by so doing, one contributes to the whole and to those with whom one interacts along the way.

This is gold in my opinion, fix our own wagon and let the vibes raised help everyone else. It's simple and real to me. We stop contributing to the problem this way.

Yes. In the thread Chris started on Enlightenment there are many links to the Heartmath Institute. I have perused their website extensively, looked at their videos and examined their science and I can find very little in their methods and conclusions that I disagree with both empirically and intuitively. The many studies on the effects of meditation upon the individual and the actuality of collective resonance on immediate and extended environment also seem conclusive to me. Science is confirming daily what the ancient mystics have said all along. The implications of this go beyond what many are willing to admit is true, even though the science is there. For example, in the world in general, here at PA and on forums across the Net, the many conversations, proofs and threads on the science of the paranormal and the experiential wisdom of thousands of years goes unremarked upon while people watch the News, engaged in repetitive and negatively-oriented discussions and peruse the sensationalist threads engaged in and created daily within which this ancient wisdom is implicit. The threads then become filled with personal opinions that ignore the reality of our interconnectedness, that ignore the reality of our interdimensional awareness and the vast web of quantum superposition/choice to create each instance in the context of entanglement and the implications of a real and undeniable Oneness that is both practical and supernatural.

This willfulness is also part and parcel of the human condition. Knowledge not internalized is sterile intellectualism and cannot become wisdom unless lived. By lived, I mean known and expressed through every thought, verbal tender and action. And yet, despite these proclivities, which are expressed at every level of human interaction and entanglement, we are somehow managing to shift the metanarrative, to gradually and generally awaken as a collective. The effects of the planetary movements, the stars and the energetic bombardments of space weather are implicit, but Choice is the primary causation. We are choosing Awakening, despite the attempts of some to keep us mired in fear and loathing.

Posted by Another1 (here)

Is the conception of a conscious community such as Shambhala possible and can it exist as an expression in the material world?

According to something inside me that refuses to let it go, yes. This kind of community is possible. It's like written into my DNA to such a degree that no amount of beating or resignation to the thought, "perhaps not this lifetime," will make it go away. For now though, the popular thought is that you can not fix something from within it. We must let everything fall down so it can be rebuilt. Pretty much what the illuminaughty had in mind in the first place. The only question remaining is who or what's 'order' will come from the chaos.

So how does that viewpoint conflict with the more general perception that the "Illuminaughty" are a force to be opposed? I have read that one of their primary tenets is "The Ends Justify The Means". Which implicates those who hold that position in any number of countless atrocities over time and across space. Herein lies the crux of the matter and the perception of "Good" and "Evil" along a never-ending scale, where one's position upon that scale consciously determines one's conception of both "extremes", which are really not that at all.

I find Quentin Tarantino's fantasies, to include Inglorious Basterds and Django Unchained to be exemplary in exploring the idea of justice as perceived in a scalar, subjective manner. In a very real sense, what is "good" seems indeed to be relative to one's perspective positioning upon the scale and that "good" is culturally determinative rather than connective to some higher and more abstract form of Good. The morality and laws of civilizations and the people within them are in microcosm imperfectly defined and enforced copies of the Higher Laws which they attempt to mirror here on Terra. Which segues very well into Chris's point:

Posted by greybeard (here)
One popular teacher says "if you want to help---stay out of traffic" You can take quite a lot out of that.
A rising tide lifts all boats. Every step forward the seeming individual takes the higher the other boats float.
The pioneer clears the path for those who come behind-- progress becomes quicker and easier--- a once difficult trail becomes a path then a road.
What you do with good intent is important, no matter how small the act may seem.

Good intent, then, is the intent to benefit the cause of Humanity as a whole. To help another. What some might call "Service-to-Others" (STO) as opposed to Service-to-Self (STS). The Heartmath Institute's research shows very clearly that hearts and minds that cultivate positive and loving emotions resonate smoothly and emanate magnetic energy further into their environment than do hearts and minds that cultivate negative and critical emotional states. On the individual and collective scale of "goodness", this type of resonance is of a greater order and approaches the nigh-abstract and higher form of Good that is indicative of a personal and spiritual connection to the Source of Creation itself.

All of which seems to negate the Elite contention that the ends justify the means to the extent that, even if their intentions originally were of the highest order, their descent into material accumulation, genocide, rape of the environment and suppression of human freedoms has relegated them to eventual and inevitable ignominy. Their depradations will eventually be seen as the burden which humanity has had to release, the hurdle over which we will have to have leapt, the beast we will have had to slay in order to reach a higher goal and state of being.

[greybeard]

Hi Rahkty
Thanks for promoting the Enlightenment thread.
It should maybe have a different title as now it encompasses a much broader theme ie Science and Spirituality.
I dont consider it my thread as there are so many great posts from so many contributors with diverse points of views on a variety of subjects.
There is a wealth of videos.

With awakening in its fullness the "Commentator" is no longer present.

Ramana Maharshi said you can measure the degree of spiritual progress by the amount of silence in the mind.

I found that the moment I went into the filing cabinet of the mind to comment I had lost awareness of what was right in front of me.
It is very possible to be fully aware of of what you are observing without a sound in the head--- in fact me is not even there.

Totally absorbed in the observed, the self is no longer aware of itself.


Chris

[Mark]

Good point, Chris. I have edited the sentence to reflect that. You have acted as the Good Shepard in keeping it active and moving for such a lengthy period of time, it is an excellent resource.

I also find that total observation to be the mandatory ingredient in accessing and relating higher forms of Truth. The ego will always find a way to insert its primacy and it is clear in the reading or listening, the intentions of the writer or speaker.

Perhaps that is the truest way to determine the state of those whose words one allows within their mind. Intimately subjective, true...but perhaps in that subjectivity lies a form of objectivity that only becomes apparent when the heart is actively engaged alongside the mind ...

[Chester]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Once upon a time I thought I was an authority on various subjects and could be relied on to have an opinion on everything.
I think it some what funny to realise that I know nothing---I might know "about" but spiritual knowing is no learned or book knowledge.
Even at that life is a total mystery --- What can I safely say I know?
Only one thing--- "I am" everything else is up for debate.

Chris

I wake up in the morning... I know that I am - I then think I know other stuff. By the end of the day I realize I am an authority on authorities as I know we don't know diddly squat. So I accept I don't know nothin' and go soundly to sleep.

the next day I wake up and I know once again that I am. I then do the same thing I did the day before. It ends the same way too.

CHRIS!!! I am stark raving enlightened!!!

Great thread and great, cool new Avatar, Rahkyt

[Mark]

Hi JOM, thanks for dropping by!

I really dig the perspective you cultivate, therein lies peace. Authorities ... should always be taken with a grain of salt, eh? Even authorities on authorities! LOL A sense of humor goes a long way and folks wonder why those who've gone beyond always have that small smile on their faces as they interact with others. Chop wood and carry water, build the fire and feed the body, which we are still doing even though in our modern society we don't have to necessarily get down and dirty to do so, all of our material efforts are directed toward these ends. Comfort and sustenance. Survival.

When even that can be left to the multiverse? Then you've achieved something. Bless!

[Chester]

The first chakra becomes the last... yes... when there's no more fear to "survive" perhaps that's when one truly starts to live?

[Mark]

Yes, I like that as well ... and when those chakras meld and blend, we've gone beyond them, reached the end. A unified chakra system is what many have been talking about as the next phase in the conscious evolution of humanity, something that folks on the journey can look forward to experiencing at some point.

... just imagining a life without fear is an exhilarating process!

No more fear of public and social situations, no more fear of not having enough money to make ends meet. No more fear of heights, no more fear of not having enough to eat. No more fear of that bully from your youth, no more fear of the dentist, or of a tooth! No more fear of aging and growing old, no more fear of living life with the bold! No more fear of parents or even kids, no more fear of ego, superego or even the id! No more fear of living life in truth, no more fear of death only knowledge of ETERNAL YOUTH.

I must say, that was fun. Thanks, Chester! LOLOL

[fmkmrf]

Blessing to all
Great thread. So nice to read and feel support instead of nothing but negative iteams.

Well I for myself decide to take some action. After all what is the point of being awake, learning and trying to become more inlightened if you don't act. After all if you are not part of a solution, are you not part of the problem?

So I start a total new approach. Based on the power of the people to do NOTHING. I hope you will take a few minutes and take a look at the site. Living Constitution and the Action Plan are a must read.
www.CanadaTheNation.ca

Respect and in Peace.

[Shadowman]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Yes, I like that as well ... and when those chakras meld and blend, we've gone beyond them, reached the end. A unified chakra system is what many have been talking about as the next phase in the conscious evolution of humanity, something that folks on the journey can look forward to experiencing at some point.

... just imagining a life without fear is an exhilarating process!

No more fear of public and social situations, no more fear of not having enough money to make ends meet. No more fear of heights, no more fear of not having enough to eat. No more fear of that bully from your youth, no more fear of the dentist, or of a tooth! No more fear of aging and growing old, no more fear of living life with the bold! No more fear of parents or even kids, no more fear of ego, superego or even the id! No more fear of living life in truth, no more fear of death only knowledge of ETERNAL YOUTH.

I must say, that was fun. Thanks, Chester! LOLOL

Quite so,

"Now I just fear nothing, and love everything. Whatsoever may come, bring it on!
A warrior I have been, now it is all (L)over, a fine time I have..."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWa7fsECAes

From here


https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post452672

With Love / In Lak'ech
tim

[donk]

Fear is just the absence of love, no? A reference point, so to speak?

I don't think you can alleviate all fear, and continue to exist as an individual. In this world we experience self, separate from our existence as All That Is...I do not believe it is fear that we are working to rid our reality of (though removing it from our lives and approach toward existence is essential)...it is ridding the DECEPTION, the lies, so in a sense, embracing the fear without letting it drive us.

Damn, just typing that is like a fractal of contradiction...I'll leave it for now, but think on it more...

[Mark]

Posted by fmkmrf (here)
So nice to read and feel support instead of nothing but negative iteams.

Hi fmkmrf, there's a lot of support and love around PA, hope you're finding it all around you. It's true that there's a lot going on that can be considered negative, but that's life isn't it and we have to find our joy regardless.

Posted by fmkmrf (here)
So I start a total new approach. Based on the power of the people to do NOTHING. I hope you will take a few minutes and take a look at the site. Living Constitution and the Action Plan are a must read.

You asked what is the point of being enlightened if you don't act. Well, you've asked a million dollar question there. A question that has been debated for many thousands of years and probably longer, since awakening must predate our planet. The thing about it is, once you have experienced what lies beyond the mortal ken, you realize that nature of this reality and the true value of action. Folks can argue about it all day, week, year, decade and century long and still never come to agreement in regards to whether action is the job of the awakened soul or if they are to just sit still and radiate peace and love, thereby changing the vibration of those around them and raising the consciousness of humanity as a whole.

You'll find folks here who can argue both sides equally. Heck, I can too. LOL

I'm of the simple opinion that we are to just live. And, if, in that living, it comes to you to bring something new into the world that helps other people, like the website that you've created, then that is what you must do. Your thing. I checked it out, a worthy cause. I lived in Canada for a couple of years and loved it up there. I wish you the best with your endeavor and for your nation, along with the rest of the world, to move further and higher along the scale of consciousness.

Posted by tim (here)
"Now I just fear nothing, and love everything. Whatsoever may come, bring it on!
A warrior I have been, now it is all (L)over, a fine time I have..."

LOL Great vid, Tim. I remember that movie, my kids used to like it. That is the attitude indeed: A big cliff? High waterfall? Sharp rocks at the bottom?

Bring it on.

Posted by donk (here)
Fear is just the absence of love, no? A reference point, so to speak?

Hi Donk, thanks for that thoughtful comment.

From an ultimate pov, there is no absence of love. Love is the expression of LIVING MIND, it is the substratum of continuous Being from which we all spring. In this sense, love is not an emotion that we name in order to describe the way we feel about another person or thing. It is a fundamental force of Creation itself, like gravity, or electromagnetism. In fact, you can say that gravity and electromagnetism are expressions of love, are side-effects of love. We say that love is electric, we say we are drawn to those we love, we are stuck, we were zapped, we felt a shock when we first kissed, we cannot stop thinking about them, well, sounds familiar, don't they ... all of those sayings about love and attraction describe electromagnetism and also gravity.

Fear in this instance and in the subjective, material sense, is the imposition of ego upon that field of love, obscuring it momentarily, causing a diffractive effect, if that's even a word, causing hearts to palpitate, the magnetic and electrical energy of heart and mind to pulse irregularly and weakly, as opposed to when our minds are peaceful, calm and resonating in the patterns of love and joy.

It can indeed be seen as a reference point, one that shows when our connection to the divine stuff of Creation has been supplanted by an ego-based perceptual framework caused by whatever internal or environmental condition that got us all discombobulated in the first place.

Posted by donk (here)
I don't think you can alleviate all fear, and continue to exist as an individual. In this world we experience self, separate from our existence as All That Is...I do not believe it is fear that we are working to rid our reality of (though removing it from our lives and approach toward existence is essential)...it is ridding the DECEPTION, the lies, so in a sense, embracing the fear without letting it drive us.

Very interesting. Changing the world from the "Circle of Life", energy-consumptive paradise it currently is into something else? Removing one of the greatest tools of growth that we engage ourselves and also find ourselves engaged by? Lies? Removing the effects of karma that lies cause? Getting rid of the protective camoflauge that animals use in order to look like other animals so that predators don't get them? Doing the same for people, who lie to get by? Changing the very nature of the Earth Garden, the savage Play-land, to become a tame Utopia of goodness and light?

in the most basic, biological sense of the term, fear as a state of mind is a chemically-based frenzy caused by a chained process of thoughts. The Amygdala and Hypothalamus are activated, causing a cascade of neuropeptides that course through the body, locking onto cells and changing their behavior to react to the perceived threat. Fight or flight, it is the pre-condition to the revved-up response that we think we have to engage in in order to survive the situation.

Problem is, we feel fear way too often. Too many have a pervasive sense of fear that is triggered at the slightest thought. A thought about tomorrow can cause fear, because then one thinks about the bill that is due and that the bank account is overdrawn, that you owe a loan shark money, he's gonna break your legs if you don't pay, your mama's birthday is day after tomorrow, you don't have a gift, your kids need new shoes, your car needs a tune-up and on and on and on.

Imaginary ruminations. None of it has happened, none of it deserves a fear response, and yet, here we are. And this is normal. And unnecessary.

Ultimately, fear is about death. Dissolution. The unknown. Not knowing what comes next, for sure.

Consider this: once you know what comes after death, for sure, what is there left to fear?

[donk]

I like to bring to light the denial if death, in hopes that others may embrace life the way I can, knowing the inevitable day this meatbag stops working is a beginning, not just an "end".

Fear of death is indeed the truth behind all the lies we tell ourself, methinks. The cause of all distraction, the root of the fears you are talking about...i think without ridding the fear of death it is not possible to see things the wonderful way you describe. It was (impossible) for me, at least

[Mark]

Hi Donk, I would agree that the difficulty is very close to impossibility.

I would say that the reason that is so is because death is akin to the unknown.

Unknown, because people think it is unknowable. That no one can know what comes after. These days, there are a lot of television shows on about ghost hunters and paranormal files and they have mediums from New Jersey and medium/ex-cop combos that stop people on the street to tell them about all the dead people surrounding them and that visit people's homes to tell them about all the evil spirits and other entities and ultradimensional gathering spaces that exist in and around their homes.

That's amazing if you come from Gen-X or before, when none of this stuff was as mainstream as it is now.

It is good because it is becoming relatively common knowledge that there is more to existence than we can see, touch, hear or taste and listening to and watching these folks on the television as they experience paranormal events or tell people things they couldn't possibly know as told to them by dear and departed loved ones is one way that people are beginning to actually internalize the understanding that death is not the end.

Taken alongside the continuously amazing sci-fi and fantasy movies coming out with special effects that are more and more closely approximating reality and that we can barely tell the difference between, the stories of the planet's history and other tales of galactic and universal potentiality are penetrating the conscious mind and awakening memories of past lives and existences on other planets. Because this is the "lame-stream" media that is doing all of these things and they have been under way now for decades, increasing in intensity and purpose, beyond the fear-programming that they are attempting to inculcate in people, there is the acknowledgement that there is something to all of this. It is, as many say, preparation. Preparation for the wall of lies to come crashing down, for the mass population to come face-to-face with evidence that there is more to reality than institutional science and media has been attempting to lead people to believe now for almost a thousand years.

It is becoming less and less impossible for folks to make the leap from a purely physical reality to a multi-dimensional reality. For those who are able, who are heart-centered or at least empathic and able to access emotions, it is only a matter of time. Perhaps there will always be those who are psychopathic or close to it as a substantial part of the population who cannot 'feel' in the same way, but even they will have their time, eventually.

Once it again becomes common and indisputable knowledge that death is not the end, all of the power of the Elite will be broken. The fear-consciousness that currently keeps the world pacified and under the thumbs of the Controllers will dissipate in the wind and people will naturally stand in their power in a state of true sovereignty and deep knowledge of reality and truth.

It is inevitable.

[greybeard]

You could say that one way or another all fear, emotional/physical/mental is related to the body.
Or rather belief that I am the body-- or that I depend upon its needs being met in order to survive.

Chris

[donk]

But fear can be projected on to someone--especially through what Rahkyt says: the unknown. That's why my formula has seemed to worked in making sense of things.

Love = light = truth
Fear = darkness = lies

All there is, is information, which is neutral--our consciousness brings one of those two aspects to it--in our reality (our only Truth with a capital T).

When information encounters our consciousness, and is brought to LIGHT, and is TRUTH, that is love.

Darkness is the absense of light, having awareness of information without "truth" (or not having information at all), is what causes fear.

Knowing the "truth", that it does not matter, that we are all a part of All That Is, that death (and everything) is an illusion--that there is no reason to fear the unknown, that seeking it out is actually a more life-bringing (love manifesting) activity...that is my Truth, and about the point I am at in this stage of awake-ness, so the answer to the OP...what next?...for me is to try to share this with others, in hopes it brings the freedom it does to me--or as a test to see if it holds up, or needs to change (which I ain't scairt of either...)

And as interesting as big picture (politics, economics, etc) view of everything is, I have learned that those discussions are not as productive when it's people of distant stages of awakeness. So when I engage in face-to-face interactions with anyone in those types of discussions (about the only thing "important"--whether they realize it or not---to MOST people, regardless of awake-ness) I try to boil them down to that, the personal level, bring the above down to the below, and say: I think all there is, is love and fear...this is why, what do you think?

...to varying degrees of "success", of course