Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[InCiDeR]

This thread must clearly be one of the best in whole Avalon forum. Jeeez, have so much to catch up. I've been within and without my time machine for a no-time experience, searching for my other mind.

[Chester]

Posted by Houman (here)
Thanks sms. One may wonder how "thick" this controlled reality is... it appears to transcend death and be subjective (i.e. relative to the subject) in nature...
There also appears to be a "moral/loving" "order/structure" (for lack of better terms) present here (whose antithesis would be "do what thou wilt", i.e. there is no "order/structure" so anything goes)... perhaps this "order/structure" is an emanation of the soul... it somehow can be "felt/sensed"...
Houman

EDIT: - I would like to delete this post but I am leaving it based on leaving it as a matter of record. But note, today, May 9, 2013, this post has become obsolete.

I have come to see it as a pole within the primal duality. The urge to create had to be balanced by an equal urge to preserve within a paradigm where the only constant is constant change. I can't speak for others, but I got to the point I discovered it was "i" who generated the paradigm and it is each of us (of this same "i") that make it up... that one extreme within the collective wants to experience everything (which would include self annihilation) and another extreme that wishes for it to ever remain. It seems it is this latter extreme which is what you refer to as "soul"... that seems to pull most of us towards preservation.

Sometimes it seems to fight any one side makes no difference in the long run. I think the solution resides in the dawning it is simply all and only just "us" here in this universal experience.

[sms]

In regards to the “spirituality-without-the soul,” I have discussed in one of my previous posts and the archontic manipulation of mankind, we have to keep on our Mind (component) that almost all manipulation goes through that “axis” and that this component by itself “is not rooted in the reality” (as Steiner said). The reality consist of the consciousness projecting itself along three axes, not only one. So, one can intellectualize something till the end of the world, and still be pretty far from understanding, which comes from all components of the being working in unison.

Another important thing we should be clear about is that on this planet all beings in human bodies are not real human beings. Here, we have normal human beings with all three components (but more or less disconnected) and beings with two components (usually, with missing the soul component ).

This sort of infiltration of humanity by a non-human element has been expressed in various esoteric sources, however, here I will continue with Rudolf Steiner:

(…)So the details are not always quite correct, but taken as a whole it is correct to say that in our time certain supernumerary people are appearing who have no ‘I’ and are therefore not human beings in the full sense of the word. This is a terrible truth.

They go about, but are not incarnated ‘I’s; they take their place in physical heredity, receive an ether body and an astral body and in a sense become equipped inwardly with an ahrimanic consciousness.

They appear to be human if you do not look too closely, yet they are not human beings in the full sense of the word.

This is a terrible truth and it is a fact. The apocalyptist is pointing directly at human beings themselves when he speaks about the plague of locusts in the age of the fifth trumpet. Once again we can recognize the apocalyptist by the manner of his vision. In their astral body such people appear just as the apocalyptist describes them: like etheric locusts with human faces.

(…)

Above all, people who have healthy souls suffer as a consequence of those who go about as human locusts. So the question can arise, and indeed must arise, as to how one should behave towards such people.(…)

Source: R. Steiner, The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest, Lecture 13, Dornach, 17 Sept. 1924, p.180-183

“Dr. Steiner: That little girl L.K. in the first grade must have something really very wrong inside. There is not much we can do. Such cases are increasing in which children are born with a human form, but are not really human beings in relation to their highest I; instead, they are filled with beings that do not belong to the human class. Quite a number of people have been born since the nineties without an I, that is, they are not reincarnated, but are human forms filled with a sort of natural demon. There are quite a large number of older people going around who are actually not human beings, but are only natural; they are human beings only in regard to their form. We cannot, however, create a school for demons.(…)

I do not like to talk about such things since we have often been attacked even without them. Imagine what people would say if they heard that we say there are people who are not human beings. Nevertheless, these are facts.

Source: Faculty Meetings With Rudolf Steiner Vol. 2, 3 July 1923, p. 649-650

(…)What confronts us as a human being in human form does not always have to be as it outwardly appears. The outer appearance can, in fact, be just appearance. It is possible for us to confront human beings in human form who only appear to be human beings of the kind that are subject to repeated lives on earth. In reality these are human bodies with a physical, etheric, and astral body - but there are other beings incarnated here, beings who use these people in order to work through them. There are in fact a large number of people, for example in the West, who are not simply reincarnated human beings, but are the bearers of beings who have taken an extremely premature path of development and who should only appear in the form of humanity at a later stage of their evolution. Now, these beings do not make use of the whole human organism but use chiefly the metabolic system of these Western human beings. Of the three members of the human nature, they use the metabolic system and do so in such a way that, through these human beings, they work into the physical world. For one who can observe life with a certain accuracy, people of this kind even show outwardly that this is how it is with them.

Thus, for example, a large number of those individuals who belong to Anglo-Saxon secret societies and who have great influence - we have spoken on a number of occasions in past years on the role of these secret societies - are actually the bearers of premature existences of this kind which, through the metabolic system of certain people, work into the world and seek out a field of action through human bodies and do not live in normal regular incarnations.

The leading personalities of certain sects are of this nature, and the overwhelming majority of a very widespread sect that has a great following in the West is made up of individuals of this kind. In this way a completely different spirituality is working into present-day human beings and it will be an essential task to be able to take up a stand toward life from this point of view.

Source: R. Steiner, The New Spirituality and the Christ Experience in the Twentieth Century, GA200, Lecture Two, Oct. 17-31, p.33-34

Strangely enough, around the same time, Charles Forte implied in his book The Book of the Damned that members of those secret societies (cults or orders) are working for somebody else:

I suspect that, after all, we're useful -- that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive, owners of us -- all others warned off -- that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received -- from Somewhere else -- in our mysterious usefulness.

So, it does not matter if the name of an order or a cult is illuminati, jesuits, masons etc., the point is that there is a lot of indications that real human beings (those with the Soul, Mind and Spirit) have been ruled by non-humans (those with missing Soul component) on behalf of archontic forces (which do not have the soul component, as well.) These non-humans tend to form societies, orders, sects etc. (each of them will, of course, be disguised in a ‘mask of sanity’) and these entities are positioned strategically on more or less, all positions of power on this planet.

Therefore, the necessity for introduction of so called Orwellian language, which has been used for masking non-human or psycho-pathological activities and presenting them in a positive light.

Humanness

This is one of the main features of the Soul. It is a feeling. Real human beings act out of this feeling. This is a sort of recognition sign for a normal human being.

A Mind component may ask: “Yes, but do we have any proof for this”? Yes, we have. For an example, people with a soul would behave as people with a soul, even in the wars:

(…)In World War II and before, only 15 to 20 percent of soldiers fired their weapons at enemy soldiers in view, even if their own lives were endangered. Lt. Col. (Ret.) Grossman, a military historian, psychologist and teacher at West Point, builds upon the findings of Gen. S. L. A. Marshall in Men Against Fire (1978) and confirmatory evidence from Napoleonic, Civil and other wars. “Throughout history the majority of men on the battlefield would not attempt to kill the enemy, even to save their own lives.” (p. 4) This refusal is profound, surprising, and well-hidden. To Grossman this is welcome proof of our humanity. Not a pacifist, he trains soldiers to kill, but wants them to regain the inhibitions needed to function peacefully in society.

The compunction against killing occurs in close combat situations, including aerial dogfights where pilots can see each other. It does not prevail with killing at a distance by artillery or bombing from airplanes. Machine gun teams also boost the firing rate because individuals cannot simply pretend to fire or intentionally mis-aim. In aerial combat one percent of pilots made over thirty percent of kills; the majority of fighter pilots never shot down a plane, perhaps never tried to.

Grossman spent years researching the innate resistance to killing and efforts to overcome it by armies throughout history--previously a taboo topic. He tells of desensitization, operant conditioning, and psychotropic drugs that raised to 90 percent the proportion of U.S. troops who shot to kill in Vietnam. The high incidence of PTSD among our three million Vietnam veterans follows disinhibition compounded by unprecedented unit instability and rapid return home from the front. He also points to loss of support at home for the war.(…)

In the U.S. Civil War, well-trained soldiers fired over the enemy’s heads, or only pretended to fire. Of 27,000 muzzle-loading muskets recovered at Gettysburg, 90 percent were loaded, almost half with multiple loads! That could not be inadvertent. Further evidence was the low kill rate in face-to-face battles. (…)

A long section deals with psychiatric casualties. Despite the exclusion of 800,000 men on psychiatric grounds (4-F) in World War II, over half a million U.S. fighters suffered mental collapse. After two months of continuous combat, 98 percent of surviving troops suffered some psychopathology. The two percent who endured such combat with impunity appear to be “aggressive psychopaths.” (p. 50). (…)

(…)Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) reflects a failure to accept and rationalize acts of killing.

(…)About two percent of soldiers lack the killing inhibition; they score high on measures of “aggressive psychopath.”

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society; by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman; Review by E. James Lieberman, M.D LINK

Do we hear something like that from our media, school teachers, priests…?!

**

Non-humans do not have this feeling. Humanness is for them an intellectual term. So, they have to pretend being humane (otherwise, they would be easily recognized as non-humans). They would even present their inhumane activities as humane. So, in this reality, we will even have “humanitarian military interventions”. Word “humanitarian” has positive meaning, so you can put it as a prefix to many pathological activities to paint them positive. Even, if we look into humanitarian foundations, we will see that most of them keep by the law for themselves 50-95% of collected funds.

So, by using Orwellian language, the real meaning of many positive terms can be easily distorted. The language addresses our Mind component (which is “not rooted in the reality”) and it can rationalize anything. (Therefore the saying: “What in this reality passes as rational, sends the chills down the spine of the rest of the Universe".)

**

So, the mankind has been infiltrated by archontic forces in human bodies. They have set the whole system of life on this planet, with their own values which are well rationalized (by Mind components), but mostly opposite of the real spiritual values. Normal human beings, with disconnected components, have been pushed to identify with souless entities and the souless system of life on this planet. One may even say that 2-component beings were doing better than 3-component beings!?

However, it does not have to be so.

So, pointing fingers into other people, their activities etc. and trying to recognise who is who in this reality, leads nowhere and means only a waste of time and energy. A snake is a snake by its essence and it will always be a snake and behave like a snake.

Instead, we first may ask the following question to ourselves:

Who am I?

Am I acting here just as a personality (with all the mental programmes uploaded into myself, since I was born) or an individual and real human being, consisting of three components, beside my body? Are my actions actually just
(mechanical) re-actions? Are they based on an understanding or they are based just on “my” beliefs?

By contemplating this question and doing an internal observation, we may gradually recognize where the various influences and urges are coming from. Our Mind, Spirit and Soul component know where the attention of our personality (the ‘coachman’) is. And, when our attention is at the right place, a process of their balancing and integration may start.

Once we become integrated, we will start to act consciously and our actions will be based on our understanding. In this way, our interaction with the reality will be optimized.

…

[Houman]

Thanks for your insightful and documented post SMS. Your mention of PTSD caused by “desensitization” could be extrapolated to explain what happens to ensouled entities who do not act on this feeling or are conditioned to shut it off via “gradual” desensitization and "inversion of values"

In fact, by looking carefully one may perceive that "modern" societies have been engineered towards this desensitization… (obvious examples abound, and, sadly, non-obvious ones have become the norm )

What Julian Assange said

Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence and thereby eventually lose all ability to defend ourselves and those we love….

could be extrapolated to "... and loose a piece of our (connection to?) our soul"


And this is from Nietzsche (whose "philosophies have surfaced as those upheld by Satanists", http://www.dpjs.co.uk/nietzsche.html) On the Genealogy of Morality

Nietzsche argued that there were two fundamental types of morality: 'Master morality' and 'slave morality'. Slave morality values things like kindness, humility and sympathy, while master morality values pride, strength, and nobility. Master morality weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences unlike slave morality which weighs actions on a scale of good or evil intentions.

[dan33]

Justoneman reminded me "The Parallax View".

Great sequence for This Amazing thread.

Thanks Houman and all the posters.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MNMi8fXi5Os

[lookbeyond]

Posted by sms (here)
In regards to the “spirituality-without-the soul,” I have discussed in one of my previous posts and the archontic manipulation of mankind, we have to keep on our Mind (component) that almost all manipulation goes through that “axis” and that this component by itself “is not rooted in the reality” (as Steiner said). The reality consist of the consciousness projecting itself along three axes, not only one. So, one can intellectualize something till the end of the world, and still be pretty far from understanding, which comes from all components of the being working in unison.

Another important thing we should be clear about is that on this planet all beings in human bodies are not real human beings. Here, we have normal human beings with all three components (but more or less disconnected) and beings with two components (usually, with missing the soul component ).

This sort of infiltration of humanity by a non-human element has been expressed in various esoteric sources, however, here I will continue with Rudolf Steiner:

(…)So the details are not always quite correct, but taken as a whole it is correct to say that in our time certain supernumerary people are appearing who have no ‘I’ and are therefore not human beings in the full sense of the word. This is a terrible truth.

They go about, but are not incarnated ‘I’s; they take their place in physical heredity, receive an ether body and an astral body and in a sense become equipped inwardly with an ahrimanic consciousness.

They appear to be human if you do not look too closely, yet they are not human beings in the full sense of the word.

This is a terrible truth and it is a fact. The apocalyptist is pointing directly at human beings themselves when he speaks about the plague of locusts in the age of the fifth trumpet. Once again we can recognize the apocalyptist by the manner of his vision. In their astral body such people appear just as the apocalyptist describes them: like etheric locusts with human faces.

(…)

Above all, people who have healthy souls suffer as a consequence of those who go about as human locusts. So the question can arise, and indeed must arise, as to how one should behave towards such people.(…)

Source: R. Steiner, The Book of Revelation and the Work of the Priest, Lecture 13, Dornach, 17 Sept. 1924, p.180-183

“Dr. Steiner: That little girl L.K. in the first grade must have something really very wrong inside. There is not much we can do. Such cases are increasing in which children are born with a human form, but are not really human beings in relation to their highest I; instead, they are filled with beings that do not belong to the human class. Quite a number of people have been born since the nineties without an I, that is, they are not reincarnated, but are human forms filled with a sort of natural demon. There are quite a large number of older people going around who are actually not human beings, but are only natural; they are human beings only in regard to their form. We cannot, however, create a school for demons.(…)

I do not like to talk about such things since we have often been attacked even without them. Imagine what people would say if they heard that we say there are people who are not human beings. Nevertheless, these are facts.

Source: Faculty Meetings With Rudolf Steiner Vol. 2, 3 July 1923, p. 649-650

(…)What confronts us as a human being in human form does not always have to be as it outwardly appears. The outer appearance can, in fact, be just appearance. It is possible for us to confront human beings in human form who only appear to be human beings of the kind that are subject to repeated lives on earth. In reality these are human bodies with a physical, etheric, and astral body - but there are other beings incarnated here, beings who use these people in order to work through them. There are in fact a large number of people, for example in the West, who are not simply reincarnated human beings, but are the bearers of beings who have taken an extremely premature path of development and who should only appear in the form of humanity at a later stage of their evolution. Now, these beings do not make use of the whole human organism but use chiefly the metabolic system of these Western human beings. Of the three members of the human nature, they use the metabolic system and do so in such a way that, through these human beings, they work into the physical world. For one who can observe life with a certain accuracy, people of this kind even show outwardly that this is how it is with them.

Thus, for example, a large number of those individuals who belong to Anglo-Saxon secret societies and who have great influence - we have spoken on a number of occasions in past years on the role of these secret societies - are actually the bearers of premature existences of this kind which, through the metabolic system of certain people, work into the world and seek out a field of action through human bodies and do not live in normal regular incarnations.

The leading personalities of certain sects are of this nature, and the overwhelming majority of a very widespread sect that has a great following in the West is made up of individuals of this kind. In this way a completely different spirituality is working into present-day human beings and it will be an essential task to be able to take up a stand toward life from this point of view.

Source: R. Steiner, The New Spirituality and the Christ Experience in the Twentieth Century, GA200, Lecture Two, Oct. 17-31, p.33-34

Strangely enough, around the same time, Charles Forte implied in his book The Book of the Damned that members of those secret societies (cults or orders) are working for somebody else:

I suspect that, after all, we're useful -- that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive, owners of us -- all others warned off -- that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received -- from Somewhere else -- in our mysterious usefulness.

So, it does not matter if the name of an order or a cult is illuminati, jesuits, masons etc., the point is that there is a lot of indications that real human beings (those with the Soul, Mind and Spirit) have been ruled by non-humans (those with missing Soul component) on behalf of archontic forces (which do not have the soul component, as well.) These non-humans tend to form societies, orders, sects etc. (each of them will, of course, be disguised in a ‘mask of sanity’) and these entities are positioned strategically on more or less, all positions of power on this planet.

Therefore, the necessity for introduction of so called Orwellian language, which has been used for masking non-human or psycho-pathological activities and presenting them in a positive light.

Humanness

This is one of the main features of the Soul. It is a feeling. Real human beings act out of this feeling. This is a sort of recognition sign for a normal human being.

A Mind component may ask: “Yes, but do we have any proof for this”? Yes, we have. For an example, people with a soul would behave as people with a soul, even in the wars:

(…)In World War II and before, only 15 to 20 percent of soldiers fired their weapons at enemy soldiers in view, even if their own lives were endangered. Lt. Col. (Ret.) Grossman, a military historian, psychologist and teacher at West Point, builds upon the findings of Gen. S. L. A. Marshall in Men Against Fire (1978) and confirmatory evidence from Napoleonic, Civil and other wars. “Throughout history the majority of men on the battlefield would not attempt to kill the enemy, even to save their own lives.” (p. 4) This refusal is profound, surprising, and well-hidden. To Grossman this is welcome proof of our humanity. Not a pacifist, he trains soldiers to kill, but wants them to regain the inhibitions needed to function peacefully in society.

The compunction against killing occurs in close combat situations, including aerial dogfights where pilots can see each other. It does not prevail with killing at a distance by artillery or bombing from airplanes. Machine gun teams also boost the firing rate because individuals cannot simply pretend to fire or intentionally mis-aim. In aerial combat one percent of pilots made over thirty percent of kills; the majority of fighter pilots never shot down a plane, perhaps never tried to.

Grossman spent years researching the innate resistance to killing and efforts to overcome it by armies throughout history--previously a taboo topic. He tells of desensitization, operant conditioning, and psychotropic drugs that raised to 90 percent the proportion of U.S. troops who shot to kill in Vietnam. The high incidence of PTSD among our three million Vietnam veterans follows disinhibition compounded by unprecedented unit instability and rapid return home from the front. He also points to loss of support at home for the war.(…)

In the U.S. Civil War, well-trained soldiers fired over the enemy’s heads, or only pretended to fire. Of 27,000 muzzle-loading muskets recovered at Gettysburg, 90 percent were loaded, almost half with multiple loads! That could not be inadvertent. Further evidence was the low kill rate in face-to-face battles. (…)

A long section deals with psychiatric casualties. Despite the exclusion of 800,000 men on psychiatric grounds (4-F) in World War II, over half a million U.S. fighters suffered mental collapse. After two months of continuous combat, 98 percent of surviving troops suffered some psychopathology. The two percent who endured such combat with impunity appear to be “aggressive psychopaths.” (p. 50). (…)

(…)Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) reflects a failure to accept and rationalize acts of killing.

(…)About two percent of soldiers lack the killing inhibition; they score high on measures of “aggressive psychopath.”

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society; by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman; Review by E. James Lieberman, M.D LINK

Do we hear something like that from our media, school teachers, priests…?!

**

Non-humans do not have this feeling. Humanness is for them an intellectual term. So, they have to pretend being humane (otherwise, they would be easily recognized as non-humans). They would even present their inhumane activities as humane. So, in this reality, we will even have “humanitarian military interventions”. Word “humanitarian” has positive meaning, so you can put it as a prefix to many pathological activities to paint them positive. Even, if we look into humanitarian foundations, we will see that most of them keep by the law for themselves 50-95% of collected funds.

So, by using Orwellian language, the real meaning of many positive terms can be easily distorted. The language addresses our Mind component (which is “not rooted in the reality”) and it can rationalize anything. (Therefore the saying: “What in this reality passes as rational, sends the chills down the spine of the rest of the Universe".)

**

So, the mankind has been infiltrated by archontic forces in human bodies. They have set the whole system of life on this planet, with their own values which are well rationalized (by Mind components), but mostly opposite of the real spiritual values. Normal human beings, with disconnected components, have been pushed to identify with souless entities and the souless system of life on this planet. One may even say that 2-component beings were doing better than 3-component beings!?

However, it does not have to be so.

So, pointing fingers into other people, their activities etc. and trying to recognise who is who in this reality, leads nowhere and means only a waste of time and energy. A snake is a snake by its essence and it will always be a snake and behave like a snake.

Instead, we first may ask the following question to ourselves:

Who am I?

Am I acting here just as a personality (with all the mental programmes uploaded into myself, since I was born) or an individual and real human being, consisting of three components, beside my body? Are my actions actually just
(mechanical) re-actions? Are they based on an understanding or they are based just on “my” beliefs?

By contemplating this question and doing an internal observation, we may gradually recognize where the various influences and urges are coming from. Our Mind, Spirit and Soul component know where the attention of our personality (the ‘coachman’) is. And, when our attention is at the right place, a process of their balancing and integration may start.

Once we become integrated, we will start to act consciously and our actions will be based on our understanding. In this way, our interaction with the reality will be optimized.

…

How can we deal with those who seem to fit this "non-human" description in our lives when they try to destroy us?

[Chester]

If there were a plan that appeared reasonably realistic to produce the result that would end ritual abuse, end human and animal sacrifice, end the implementation of stealth technologies used to manipulate/manage the human "herd" (herd from "their" point of view)... I would be on board to do what I could in accomplishing the goal of ending these practices.

It is clear (to me) this requires a massive consciousness shift. Anyone who has followed this thread as well as my spinoff threads, knows I have tried very hard to figure all this out for the goal of finding a realistic, viable solution.

I see no other solution other than a total, complete consciousness shift amongst humanity. I am all but 100% convinced of this now.

If one looks at the situation realistically, it could be said that the group of humanity that wants these things to end have a view point that these practices are "evil." Generally, this same group also possesses their own "moral" restraints. The group that practices these noted "evil" actions have little to no concern about who might be negatively affected by these actions and behave with less restraint (far less) than the other group we call "well intentioned."

That is like playing a grade school football team (the well intentioned) against a professional team (the perpetrators). Note that between these two groups is a massive amount of humanity that is oblivious of and/or disbelieving of these activities. That group is the food supply for these practitioners. So what are the odds the "good guys" can "do" anything about this situation considering these realities as to the strengths and capabilities of the two sides?

Think some "god" is gonna save you? These beings created the myth of "god" as long as you see God as external to yourself.

It has to come forth from a consciousness shift.

Houman mentioned the Master / Slave dynamic which are not the two sides. The "Slaves" are the unwitting, unknowing, unsuspecting food supply.

The Masters fall on both sides of the two groups I mentioned above with at least one glaring difference. The "evil" group are masters over others (the unwitting) but they are certainly not master over someone like I have become and I assume I am not alone. But my mastership is found in my ability to use all my faculties when faced with the difficulties of life, one being a reasonably good mind that sees the odds of success from some type of physical realm action aimed at ending these practices when the physical realm beings that perform these evil acts are easily replaced as we know the actual entities behind these actions are incorporeal beings.... the odds of success against this seems quite low.

Unless there's is a massive, humanity wide consciousness shift, where these "entities" or whatever can actually be prevented from their ability to possess a human being... and this must include each and every living human being on Earth, I see no way these practices will end.

This is probably the same conclusion the Cathars came to several hundred years ago.

Now, I am the last person to give up on anything so if anyone comes up with a bona fide, realistic, viable plan that has any sort of chance of ending these practices, count me in.

In fact, I wish I could be allowed to go speak to the freaking Pope in person (for example) because I know for a fact I could blow his mind. Of course, the Pope is only one cog in the big machine but he does manage a few billion folks to some extent.

[Houman]

"This Is Water: Some Thoughts, Delivered on a Significant Occasion, about Living a Compassionate Life
...
Only once did David Foster Wallace give a public talk on his views on life, during a commencement address given in 2005 at Kenyon College... How does one keep from going through their comfortable, prosperous adult life unconsciously? How do we get ourselves out of the foreground of our thoughts and achieve compassion? ....

... the resulting speech didn't become widely known until 3 years later, after his tragic death.

"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xmpYnxlEh0c

[Chester]

So what can we do?

We must be able to convince a population that doesn't know its swimming in water that some of the fish are making it appear to be other than water and that the forces that are causing these other fish to do this are not beings in our physical realm 3D?

I mean... hey, count me in... I inform everyone I can but they must pass a test with me... that test being, they must be receptive to considering the information. Guess what % of folks are receptive to this? .001% maybe? They must say, "Yes, I am open to hearing your information." I require consent because I do not feel it is right to impose my view on anyone else. What a dilemma!

And then - too often what happens is that the few % who are already clued in to some extent get all caught up in the details of their own views of the conspiracy and so it almost always descends into ego wars. "My alternative view is more correct than yours and thus some of the things you suggest are NUTSO and so you must be also."

I attempt to share about the actual reality (meaning my reality experience only) and all I get is... "well, that's just human nature" or, "who do you think you are to think you can change this screwy world? Worry about yourself and your family kid... go get a life." Stuff like that.

You got a real, bona fide, step by step plan, Houman... that is actionable and requires someone unafraid to take this on and unafraid to play a management role - count me in.

PM me or get my e-mail address from Bill.

And folks that think a guy like me is nuts to write this stuff on this online forum all I have to say is - get a clue. If you don't think every single human being is not already risk assessed that pops up on any of the multitudes of radars, keep being entertained by things like "who killed Kennedy" and do UFOs exist? and all the rest of the ancient history that is used to distract the few who at least smell a rat.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

If you don't think every single human being is not already risk assessed that pops up on any of the multitudes of radars, keep being entertained by things like "who killed Kennedy" and do UFOs exist? and all the rest of the ancient history that is used to distract the few who at least smell a rat.

I begin to suspect that all I wanted out of life was a just a good cookie, it was the sole purpose of my current incarnation, being modest in ones wishes is severely underapriciated, and must be the scariest thing on the planet, the less sh!t is on your mind, the more you see.

Control is only for those who feel powerless.



Have a cookie, i have some left, mission accomplished, was a bit more complicated then i could previously suspect.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thanks to Fred my thanks you's finally got out of the 6666 range, Fred can has two cookies, bon apetit, i hope the Near Fred Experience remark sticks to you btw, kinda fun compliment to make i thought as well, grinn.

[Chester]

Posted by sms (here)
In regards to the “spirituality-without-the soul,”

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As it always seems to happen with me - when I am ready... I am handed the opportunity to move up a wrung out of the pit of dung.

This post (click here above) by sms, directed me over to this other post which I had read before but yet it did not sink in... NOW, has sunk in.

...and so now also, I am able to read the post of which I have quoted the beginning above...

wow... mind blowing... I have just thrown out 99% of what I thought I had figured out over the last 55.5 years too. Just "wow."

[Chester]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)

How can we deal with those who seem to fit this "non-human" description in our lives when they try to destroy us?

I am going to take a stab at answering this - if you are a.) or b.) ( a.) being the ensouled/asleep and b.) being the ensouled/awake) then my question to you is, is it acceptable to you that your creator "made you" such that you can be destroyed? If the answer is, "Yes," than I can't respond as I cannot help you. If your answer is, "No," then it is my opinion you are on the road to recovering your soul and thus then, how to deal with group c.) comes forth naturally.

As sms points out, the "aliens" with only two of the three components (spirit and mind) cannot achieve their goal unless they have a soul.

If I were an alien (or a vessel for one or more of these entities), I would try and grow my own soul... even if that turned out to be impossible or that I self destructed in the process because the way I see it, the odds of an ensouled being losing their soul eternally is impossible but I could be wrong and I am forever open minded.

Anyways, that You (your soul) could be destroyed seems to be "fear programming."

[Chester]

Posted by sms (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
This post is the best post (to me) in this thread...

And, for me the best and the most important text in this thread is – this one

(Many thanks to Daughter of Time for the translation!!!)

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I agree with you as the post I pointed out is secondary to understanding this series translated by DoT.

I am scared to say it... but I have a feeling I am finally getting it... so many dots connected in the last 24 hours, all started by dan33 by the way.

It is funny how in just 24 hours, I can look back at so many posts and say, "what a clueless idiot who wrote this..."

just "wow"

Time for a break - thanks for tolerating my posting flurry.

[Chester]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

If you don't think every single human being is not already risk assessed that pops up on any of the multitudes of radars, keep being entertained by things like "who killed Kennedy" and do UFOs exist? and all the rest of the ancient history that is used to distract the few who at least smell a rat.

I begin to suspect that all I wanted out of life was a just a good cookie, it was the sole purpose of my current incarnation, being modest in ones wishes is severely underapriciated, and must be the scariest thing on the planet, the less sh!t is on your mind, the more you see.

Control is only for those who feel powerless.

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Have a cookie, i have some left, mission accomplished, was a bit more complicated then i could previously suspect.

If I did not have children (nor see most of us continue to bring fresh "meat" into this world) I would sit back and enjoy my cookie. Unfortunately, I can't.

But I far more prefer being the upstairs neighbor of 777 than the plumber of 666!

[Houman]

Posted by justoneman (here)
So what can we do?

Well... some "ancient people" believed that by changing oneself (our "inner reality") one would change the word ("outer reality")...
they believed that these things do not necessarily work in theatrical ways but in subtle and sometimes simple ways... they believe that through this "alignment" one receives guidance/accompaniment/support through subtle and simple but nevertheless real coincidences leading to significant outcomes...
The outer world is, in the end, just a reflection of the inner words, thoughts, intents and actions of its inhabitants...

Houman

[778 neighbour of some guy]

If I did not have children (nor see most of us continue to bring fresh "meat" into this world) I would sit back and enjoy my cookie. Unfortunately, I can't.

But I far more prefer being the upstairs neighbor of 777 than the plumber of 666!

The first part of your comment feels so absulutely honest to me that I cannot describe it.

For many years i wanted to become a father, i dropped it this year, no kids in this system on my watch, maybe on my next run if there happened to be one, I currently dropped working with the homeless and picked up working in an assisted living program for kids/ young adults aged 16 to 23 with some behavioural issues stemming from a rough life start, add, adhd, autism, physical, mental, emotional and sexual abuse, bordeline, schizofrenia, blahblahblah yahdiyahdidah, so i see lots of thing discussed in this thread first hand happening right in front of my eyes every single day, the whole nine yards incluiding the effect of psychotropics on minds ( not nice, but it benefits some of them, some that is), to make a long story short, i am now the proud caretaker of 16 kids/young adults, so i more or less got my wish in a way i could not anticipate for ( or did I, i had a very rough ride myself so i know what someone needs at times), anyway i am sort of a daddy without the strings of providing attached, thats the only reason i can handle it and feel life has prepared me for this more or less, i can handle them with fingers up my nose and my thumb up my *** any day of the week, grinn, only bad thing is i am also the crisis guy ( call me when you are overdosing, suicidal, hyperventilating and or psychotic or all at once)not the best part of it, but it comes with the territory. All I can hope for is that I am that guy who can kinda sorta take the chill factor out of the system of psychiatry the way I see fit within the proffessional limits that are set for me, so far it works fine.

And yes being the upstairs neighbour of 777 is much better then being plummer of 666 ( his drain really really stunk, you have no clue man), I stepped up my game the good way imo.

I regard your openness and brutal honesty from time to time as really refreshing btw, you know whats down and what up, i am still laughing my ass of when i think of the whole Drake issue, someone asked you if you were Drake, that was funny as hell imo, you are to modest for that, you question yourself out loud and publicly, takes a big man to do that. You are all about being good. stuff that in your luggage, you never know when a kind word gets remembered, hopefully when one needs it most, thats the best i can do.

Hi5

[Chester]

It is the morning of May 10th now and I spent the entire day yesterday contemplating the two posts by sms mentioned above. Yesterday was just like being Neo in the Matrix movie... seeing the green digital overlay as opposed to how I used to view life (like most of the ensouled / asleep). My own awakening hasn't been an on / off switch but there are days when a big leap is taken. I am doing my best to avoid thread take over. But be warned, I have several critical questions I am putting together as I am determined to exhaust every avenue of potential solution.

I will say this, I feel like the child who has an alcoholic parent - the parent who is dominant over the family (usually the father). Plotting to take away the bottles of booze his dad hides in the woodpile. Knowing the dad is cunning in that regard. Knowing the dad is disconnected from his soul. Knowing the dad could beat the living hell out of me even though I think he loves me. Wondering if "he" is really in there or if it is something else running the show. Knowing that all my phone calls to friends or calls to big sister who moved out to go to college might be listened to and so my plans might be foiled and worse, he may take preemptive action against me. Knowing my weakness that I love him. Knowing that in a possessed rage he might go to any lengths to ensure he has his alcohol.

Substitute human blood for the alcohol and substitute the unensouled and/or disconnected from soul beings who drink it.

Substitute those who sell out for the highs from "absolute power" at the souless expense of the masses.

Substitute those who compromise - these are the most difficult of prison guards for usually their lives cannot be argued with and so their arguments are given greater weight... again, at the expense sleepwalkers but also bar the gate the awakened hope to open for the rest of the ensouled.

And then, what about hybrids? I see two major groups, the ensouled and the unensouled... and within the ensouled group are the relatively awakened and then a near 100% still too asleep...

So then would there be the likelihood of an overlap of A (ensouled) with B (unensouled)? And then within A you have degrees of awakened (degrees of asleep).

So what about those who fall right on the line between A and B? If I had to "diagnose" me, I would suspect I am one of those who walk the line if this can be done as I have lived soulessly during many stages of this specific lifetime.

Can someone be "both" where their inner struggle to chose which is what comes forth to be labeled "bi-polar" as I have been since I was 21 years old?

These questions need to be looked at for us to form a true game plan as to how to approach the situation.

I think it is self deceptive not to see this as a true David and Goliath situation. I think its even worse to believe that David (because he is the perceived good guy) always wins.

[Chester]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
So what can we do?

Well... some "ancient people" believed that by changing oneself (our "inner reality") one would change the word ("outer reality")...
they believed that these things do not necessarily work in theatrical ways but in subtle and sometimes simple ways... they believe that through this "alignment" one receives guidance/accompaniment/support through subtle and simple but nevertheless real coincidences leading to significant outcomes...
The outer world is, in the end, just a reflection of the inner words, thoughts, intents and actions of its inhabitants...

Houman

Honest - I have been impatiently waiting and hoping to read (thus hear) these words directly from you ever since I found this thread, your thread.

This has taken one of the most significant weights off my shoulders. It goes to "be the change."

I might add, I get it that "that change that be" must come from within.. from the heart which I sense is the essential gateway to the soul for the apparent (outer) change to be real.

Thank You

Chester

[Hervé]

"Soul-less" vs. "ensouled" are dangerous grounds/waters to thread on/in... since "soul-less" has always been the justification for enslaving conquered ethnic groups or cultures because they were "barbarians" or christians or infidels or pagans or goyims or blacks or yellows or reds or blues...

It's also what has been used to justify the killing of "enemies" and absolve soldiers from the conscientious angst of murdering their fellow men under the "It's all right, they are animals, they don't have a soul" psyop revived by the father of psychiatry, W. Wundt, to get men to go to war...

Now... what kind of new targets is this old psyop being aimed at this time? The new PLF sheeples? MKultra alters? Overwhelmed souls that became "organic portals"? The ones left holding the bag when entities have done their deeds as Steve Richards puts it? Etc.