Going into light after death... or not?

[DNA]

Posted by Craig (here)
The OP reminds me of the AlienInterview sites, http://alieninterview.org/blog/ and http://www.alieninterview.org/
Where it was mentioned about ancient alien forces battling each other and as indestructible beings we were caught and imprisoned here over and over again. Far to advanced for me to understand and quite soul destroying if true. But for some reason it rings an off tune bell to me that I can't ignore.

I thought this story might hold some kernal of truth to it,,it was told in a powerfull manner, but it turns out that Bill Ryan and Graham Hancock proved this story to be fiction and inspired mostly by L Ron Hubbards stuff.

[lookbeyond]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Craig (here)
The OP reminds me of the AlienInterview sites, http://alieninterview.org/blog/ and http://www.alieninterview.org/
Where it was mentioned about ancient alien forces battling each other and as indestructible beings we were caught and imprisoned here over and over again. Far to advanced for me to understand and quite soul destroying if true. But for some reason it rings an off tune bell to me that I can't ignore.

I thought this story might hold some kernal of truth to it,,it was told in a powerfull manner, but it turns out that Bill Ryan and Graham Hancock proved this story to be fiction and inspired mostly by L Ron Hubbards stuff.

Hi DNA, do you think this holds true for another book by Kyle Griffiths-"War in Heaven"

Thanks lookbeyond

[DNA]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Craig (here)
The OP reminds me of the AlienInterview sites, http://alieninterview.org/blog/ and http://www.alieninterview.org/
Where it was mentioned about ancient alien forces battling each other and as indestructible beings we were caught and imprisoned here over and over again. Far to advanced for me to understand and quite soul destroying if true. But for some reason it rings an off tune bell to me that I can't ignore.

I thought this story might hold some kernal of truth to it,,it was told in a powerfull manner, but it turns out that Bill Ryan and Graham Hancock proved this story to be fiction and inspired mostly by L Ron Hubbards stuff.

Hi DNA, do you think this holds true for another book by Kyle Griffiths-"War in Heaven"

Thanks lookbeyond

I have agreed with quite a bit of stuff from Griffiths. There is no denying the genius displayed here.


This is as good a place as any to refer to the groundbreaking visionary work of Kyle Griffith, found in his book War in Heaven (1988).

As a physical framework, Griffith speaks of "astral matter" that has an atomic and subatomic particle structure resembling that of physical matter, but possessing much less mass than the physical counterpart. Although the mass ratios among the various astral subatomic particles is the same as that of the physical ones, all have much less absolute mass than physical electrons.

Astral subatomic particles have gravitational properties that resemble but do not interact with the gravitation of physical particles. Likewise there is astral energy that does not interact with physical systems.

There is however one very important exception to this general lack of interaction, and this actually is the basis of "the secret of life": Astral matter forms complex organic molecules just as physical matter does, and their respective chemical bonds have similar energy levels and photon frequencies associated with them. This allows for resonance and chemical bonding between physical and astral matter. It is the combined molecular system that exhibits the basic characteristics of "life", such as irritability and the ability to reproduce.

This is how astral matter and the soul, which is constructed of astral matter, become involved in the reduplication of DNA and many aspects of cell metabolism.

The bonding provides a pathway by which some of the cell's metabolic energy can be converted into astral energy that feeds the soul, powering its various functions, and providing for regeneration of its astral matter, which is then used to perform cellular growth and repairs.

Death is caused by breaking the bonds between physical and astral matter.

The soul spoken of here is a primitive analog of the physical body. It is alive, but it is not sentient. It has a nervous system but not a mind. Griffith calls this the somatic soul. The "true" soul is the astral soul.

The astral soul is a body of astral matter linked to the somatic soul's nervous system by the famous silver cord. This is structured like a segment of plant root with feeder roots at both ends, tapping into the two souls' nervous systems.

Energy flowing from the body into the somatic soul and through the silver cord to the astral soul is the astral soul's only truly efficient source of nourishment.

When the body dies, the somatic soul decomposes. The astral soul does not, but it loses its best source of energy.

A new somatic soul is created during the embryological development of every new human being.

Griffith provides a complicated discussion of various methods of reincarnation, involving ways in which the astral soul connects, and interactions with the mother's astral soul. Although quite interesting, this is beyond the scope of our page.

What is important for us here is this: the astral soul (or spirit) normally receives its energy from the living physical body and must reincarnate within ten to fifty years in order to revitalize itself. If it does not accomplish this, it faces illness, insanity, and death.

I agree with most of the first part of this, but not the very last paragraph. It is my understanding that the astral soul or spirit is not only fed by the physical body and the somatic soul, but it is connected to source or God. This is especially true when our souls have crossed over. The crossing of the tunnel of light described by so many NDE experiencers is the leaving of this world we know and entering a higher world, one that is closer to God and the sustenance God provides.

Neither do I agree that souls can be parasite bled to death and killed as Griffiths states in this same book.
Though I honestly don't know this for sure.
It is my experience that those the Tibetan Book of the dead calls hungry ghosts are beings that have not crossed over and as such do not have a somatic body to feed their astral body, as such these hungry ghosts feed on the living, and it is my experience that they are everywhere, almost all of the time.
It is also my experience that these hungry ghosts, if they persist in their activities and refuse to cross over can eventually be enlisted by these dark angels as griffiths calls them and be turned into shadow beings.

I state this stuff in the post I made that is like two posts before this one.
So, I dont' know the end result of a shadow being. Can it die? I honestly don't know. I've always kind of assumed that it would not and that it would eventually find it's way back to the source.

[Fred Steeves]

You know, I'm beginning to think that even the way we consider "death" is yet another layer of our programming. Something more akin to night and day seems more appropriate. Do we fear a beautiful sunset, and what we will do afterwards? Well, I reckon so if we haven't prepared for it. Did we gather our food, firewood, and make a comfy place to sleep when it was still light out?

It can mean the difference between warmly telling stories around the camp fire, or sitting shivering and hungry, wondering how it got this way. It's not rocket science, and we don't even need to know what type of wood our fire is built out of, but if we take care of the basics during the day, the night will take care of itself.

[dpwishy]

The light is what strips you of your memories and experiences and tosses you back into the cycle of reincarnation. Enlightenment is knowing not to go into the light. Your life should be a preparation for death. You should be preparing and practicing for that one moment, that way at the moment of death you can keep your awareness and not drift off into a "sleep". This is why meditation and astral projection is so important! They are preparations to be able to keep your consciousness at the moment of death. If you can stay conscious here, the first thing you should ask for without hesitation is to ask to experience your "true self". Program yourself so that this is the first thought and only thought that goes through your mind. Don't be distracted by the realization of death, by the astonishment, beauty and so forth. Your only desire and demand should be to experience the true self.

You are fragmented over many realities, countless. You interact with them to some capacity wen you sleep, this should be familiar to you at some level. You should be able to have a free connection to these other parts of you. You are jailed off locked into this reality made to believe this is what you truly are. Some how we did this to ourselves. We were tricked in a sense to try a new experience not knowing that the experience would keep us trapped here over and over. You are put in a place where its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to learn what you need to learn within a single life to get "out". When you die, everything you have learned is scrubbed clean. Does this sound like a system that is designed for your progression and evolution?

But here is the kicker in my opinion. A secret I don't tell many. This is just a video game. Say that to yourself and remember, "This is just a video game". The population will wake up to that realization soon enough. And in doing so, they will realize that they have the power to play what ever game they choose collectively. They were always choosing which game to play from the very beginning, they were just manipulated in their choosing. They were choosing to pick unconsciously, thus were heavily influenced by outside forces. This is were the technological singularity comes in, technology will advance to a point until we realize that we are that technology and them BAM! I believe our education system, religion systems, political systems, authoritative systems, music, clothing, media, movies, radio, invisible frequencies and so forth are all being used to form our mind to make certain choices on auto pilot. It is this that keeps us playing this game unconsciously. Soon enough people will realize that this is a video game, the only rule until the technological singularity being you have to forget you are playing to play. And in doing so, we will choose consciously what to play together.

I'd like to add one more thing. About ten years ago I was taken from my body and I had an experience with the creator source. I saw the whole shape of the realities and dimensions, they looked like dna spirals that made up this weird X that rotated around its middle axis. It had this spin to it. I was sucked into a very tiny section of this. When I broke through to its dimension, the membrane was orange from the outside and only blinding white light after I broke through. I heard a voice telling me that I was not alone and that it loved me. I asked who it was and it said it was "God". I couldn't see anything only hear it and knew its presence was there. An amazing presence, that was undeniable. The light was so blinding and warm. I told it i did not believe in God and it told me it could "touch me", it could prove it. Without time to process what it said something went through my soul that just knew this was the creator. The most pure love I have ever felt. It honestly hurt to feel it, I felt it only for a second and it was gone. If I felt it for any longer it would have destroyed me, it was so powerful. I have been in love with girls, I love my parents, my family. But I realized at that moment I have never felt true love before. It changed my life forever and was the kick start I needed for my remembering. I came back to my body crying for an hour repeating "I'm sorry I didn't believe you". The reason I share this is because I broke through an orange membrane and came into the blinding light. I did not follow and go into the light. Those are two different things all together! That is important to realize.

[Joe Akulis]

My recommendation to the OP is to seek out as many astral travellers as they can, specifically those who have performed numerous "retrievals" from lower 4-d realms. Most of your answers can be found with these folks. Studying Near-Death Experiences is also a good way to gain understanding, as long as you don't just scratch the surface. You can't read three books from three different NDE'ers and then think you have some revelations. Read at least a hundred, then and only then, begin to formulate some hypotheses of your own. Then keep seeking.

I still believe that what you are faced with upon death is, partially, going to be exactly what you expect. Mixed with another percentage of what your higher self is going to use to assist you along the path of your spiritual progress, but not so far as to detrimentally challenge your current beliefs.

Once you gain more understanding of the different layers of 4-d and their characteristics, and how astral retrievals are performed, then I think the purpose of the light will become clearer to you.

[etheric underground]

lest we forget that we are amazingly creative all potential gods and goddesses.....we are more than you give yourself credit for DEMEISEN.
As you unfurl the inner light and knowing from your personal soul contract, you begin to expand your consciousness which allows you to comprehend that we are but an inkling of our full awesomeness....sometimes we can analyse and critique that which isnt making true sense....to this I say let it go and allow this reality ( 3d physical life lesson) to be all it can be from a positive perspective....the understanding of your death and next incarnations will become clear as we flow....much respect and gratitude kere.

[Finefeather]

The light that is seen by most at death is the very center or atom of the Being which is you...your Higher Being...your Spirit...your point of creation. This is the Spiritual Entity...it is like our son is the center of our Solar System.
Every object which has life has such a center...or permanent atomic source. This light is the attractive force which pulls us back 'home'...if I may use such a simple analogy.

If we have not fully accomplished our goal, in the life which has just ended, we will remain in some level of the higher astral and or mental planes...which is determined by the level of our vibrational state (enlightenment).
Here we will life for as long as we desire until we decide that another incarnation in some other body, with some other experiences, might help us attain the level of enlightenment or vibrational state, where we would then be able to avoid further incarnation...and merge with our true Self.

The Beings...who some people insist are holding us back...are those who assist us to prepare and choose a life situation which would best suit the vibrational state we are trying to improve on.

There is no one in existence, other than our own self, who holds us back or forces incarnation...it is a vibrational scientific issue. We cannot move into higher realms if our vibrational state does not allow it...this is why all good spiritual teaching tells us of the need to seek higher states of awareness or consciousness...more consciousness = more enlightened.

The problem of accepting this, arises when those who believe they are all squeaky clean and free from any negative attitudes...get all upset because they cannot actually accept their own failings...the good old ego having a bad day..."I'm perfect why do I have to reincarnate?"

Of course there are forces in this world which prevent us from accomplishing what we set out to do in each incarnation...these are the material forces...and they come in all shapes and sizes...in all lower realms also.
The plain truth to our destiny when we die in a life is held in our own hands and is determined by our own actions and if you are really unlucky some external forces as well...but they are rare.

All stories about the light being some trap is pure non sense...and comes from ignorant people who are trying to impress others by giving us the story of their fantasies which are driven by their own inner fear.

Take care
Ray

[BrianEn]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
You know, I'm beginning to think that even the way we consider "death" is yet another layer of our programming. Something more akin to night and day seems more appropriate. Do we fear a beautiful sunset, and what we will do afterwards? Well, I reckon so if we haven't prepared for it. Did we gather our food, firewood, and make a comfy place to sleep when it was still light out?

It can mean the difference between warmly telling stories around the camp fire, or sitting shivering and hungry, wondering how it got this way. It's not rocket science, and we don't even need to know what type of wood our fire is built out of, but if we take care of the basics during the day, the night will take care of itself.

All I know is that I wanna go out as I came in. My time line has been shortened considerably since my hospitalization. It really made me think about what is important. Whats important to me is the people in my life. I have been able to forgive people in my family. Something that was a lot more difficult in my life. Im trying to repair the relationship with my nephew, Hes a man now but he still needs to be trust that I wont dissapear again. That will take a long time to gain that trust. The biggest difference is I dont put with people trying to bs me. I dont have time for that. Why would I want to have an honest relationship with a liar. I used to put with lies but now I cant in all good conscience. Now things are just different.

[dpwishy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
All stories about the light being some trap is pure non sense...and comes from ignorant people who are trying to impress others by giving us the story of their fantasies which are driven by their own inner fear.

That is a pretty bold statement....

[Finefeather]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
All stories about the light being some trap is pure non sense...and comes from ignorant people who are trying to impress others by giving us the story of their fantasies which are driven by their own inner fear.

That is a pretty bold statement....

It just depends which side of the wall you'r on...of course, you'll need to climb over to my side to see what I see.

[dpwishy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
All stories about the light being some trap is pure non sense...and comes from ignorant people who are trying to impress others by giving us the story of their fantasies which are driven by their own inner fear.

That is a pretty bold statement....

It just depends which side of the wall you'r on...of course, you'll need to climb over to my side to see what I see.

There is a difference between the light that you talk about and going into the light the moment after death. It is two different things. But you're probably right, I must be on the wrong side of the wall.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

what if what we believe to be true in this life meets us as a construct the after life ?


our own perception extends beyond the physical as we have programmed our soul during life to emerge in another reality . . .


be careful what you think you know , you may just get your wish. : 0 )


N
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[greybeard]

It is suggested on the path to enlightenment that all belief systems all concepts must be released for good reason.
Exiting the body in an unenlightened state will take you to what is in your belief system.
Jesus said "In my Fathers House are many mansions"
The preparation for exiting this world should be started as early as possible.
You came from Love, You are going back to Love, You are Love

So treat "others" as you would treat yourself--- you dont have to love them ---just be kind and considerate.

Chris

[Nanoo Nanoo]

IMO

the soul when in soul state is one with the All. it returns to its star home or energetic family called a soul group.

the soul then is flux energy in its purest state , loose , free , formless , everything and nothing all in the same moment experiencing the All and sonnetically connected to everything and all experience that is proportionally required in order for it to learn without influence upon its self beause it is fluid state.

When the soul enters a Formed Body its then reduced to a re writeable program and we are the mother board experiencing life and are able to re write the soul codes in accumulated experiences. This is a way for the soul to enter another state to experience its self .. to " feel " one must immagine being in existance for millions of years one would desire to forget so to experience things again for the first time.

One would be prudent to look inside and see the " possibility " that this concept to be true.

The wonder of our lives if we could see past death and fear would open up to TRUE experiences of love and wonderment . . .

the experiences we adore and those we attest will be sifted through as a learning program after we die to give our souls " purpose "

if we did not have this in the first 6 vales then we would be lost.

we choose to come back to experience brave things and forget on purpose or the game would have no meaning ..

there is no point getting lost in a forrest of which you know well . . . how will you discover the field of flowers ? or escape the clutches of the bears den ?

the experiences are what we adore and we are here to do judt that , with " Purpose "

Naniu

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by greybeard (here)
It is suggested on the path to enlightenment that all belief systems all concepts must be released for good reason.
Exiting the body in an unenlightened state will take you to what is in your belief system.
Jesus said "In my Fathers House are many mansions"
The preparation for exiting this world should be started as early as possible.
You came from Love, You are going back to Love, You are Love

So treat "others" as you would treat yourself--- you dont have to love them ---just be kind and considerate.

Chris

Slainte mhor agus a h-uile beannachd duibh !


Hugs


Naniu

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
You know, I'm beginning to think that even the way we consider "death" is yet another layer of our programming. Something more akin to night and day seems more appropriate. Do we fear a beautiful sunset, and what we will do afterwards? Well, I reckon so if we haven't prepared for it. Did we gather our food, firewood, and make a comfy place to sleep when it was still light out?

It can mean the difference between warmly telling stories around the camp fire, or sitting shivering and hungry, wondering how it got this way. It's not rocket science, and we don't even need to know what type of wood our fire is built out of, but if we take care of the basics during the day, the night will take care of itself.

Awesome Fred! what a beautifully simple and elegant way to look at it. this made me truly smile

thank you : 0 )

Naniu

[Finefeather]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
All stories about the light being some trap is pure non sense...and comes from ignorant people who are trying to impress others by giving us the story of their fantasies which are driven by their own inner fear.

That is a pretty bold statement....

It just depends which side of the wall you'r on...of course, you'll need to climb over to my side to see what I see.

There is a difference between the light that you talk about and going into the light the moment after death. It is two different things. But you're probably right, I must be on the wrong side of the wall.

I have found no difference at all...I am talking about the same light that can be seen in advanced meditation, as well as in higher realm OB ventures, as well as at the point of death. This light is all exactly the same.

It seems pointless to me to attempt any explanation of this process in view of the fact that we are all in different states of awareness. I was giving you my opinion based on 40 years of OB rescue work I have been involved in. This work involves both the living and the 'dead' and I have helped people who have died literally minutes after the event. In all variants of this experience I have had, I have seen and being in the presence of the higher self of the person involved and in all cases this takes the form of a most beautiful white light which draws the person to a place of knowing and comfort.

Some people do become stuck in the lower astral realms because of fear...but mostly because of confusion...because of their belief system.

Where people are stuck in these lower states...and this is not the norm...is also where dubious entities also exist, and it is quite common for these entities to harass the confused person who has just died...this can result in a long and frightening experience if they are not assisted.

This could very well be confused by the wary and the less experienced Soul as some kind of control and manipulation. This same thing can happen to living persons who practice lower astral, out of body ventures, without knowing the probabilities involved.

This has lead to people reporting this layer of realm...which exists...but is not normally frequented...as been some kind of trap. Well the trap is what they have got themselves into as a result of fear...confusion and just plain ignorance...and I use this word ignorance in it's literal form...not knowing...and not in a defamatory sense. This experience is obviously disturbing to those who are not informed of the many inhabitants of the astral planes and unfortunately this has lead to stories and speculation of things which just do not happen.

In my experience the majority of people who get themselves 'trapped' in these lower planes are...drug addict...alcoholics...those who are involved in some form of cult like practice...and the extreme emotionally distraught person.

Take care
Ray

[dpwishy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
It seems pointless to me to attempt any explanation of this process in view of the fact that we are all in different states of awareness. I was giving you my opinion based on 40 years of OB rescue work I have been involved in. This work involves both the living and the 'dead' and I have helped people who have died literally minutes after the event. In all variants of this experience I have had, I have seen and being in the presence of the higher self of the person involved and in all cases this takes the form of a most beautiful white light which draws the person to a place of knowing and comfort.

Agreed, some even higher than yours.
But whos to say whos where and who knows what?
Seems like a giant generalization to me.
I could spit out my credentials also,
but I have no desire to seem any more credible.

This trap system goes all the way up to the top my friend,
there are evolved beings that are VERY highly evolved in this system,
that still do not see it for what it truly is.
They are lost in the illusion just as much as lower beings.
Just because there are layers, doesn't mean it isn't a trap.

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

[Flash]

dpwishy, i do not think finefeather is spitting out his credentials, but rather he is spitting out his own personal experience. In these terms, he is whos to say shows where and whos knows what, in his experience, studies, etc. There is a wide difference, in my views, between a giant generalization and experience one has lived.

You just need to be fully in your soul (or your soul fully, completely in your body, as it should, but i had not had this yet), to have thorough contact with your higher self, call it what you want, once, to be able to follow up on these words.

Yet, it may be the ultimate trap, as you say. However, if we create what we believe (project outward), I would rather create freedom and evolution, love and light. In my humble opinion.