The Church of Scientology - a cult of abuse

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Really people, time to refresh a few memories here.

Inside Scientology: Abuse, Human Trafficking, FBI Probes

Scientology's Shocking Treatment of Children Held in a Suburban Labor Camp

Ex-Scientologists Speak

A Scientologist's Horrifying Memories of Child Abuse and Exploitation

SECRET LIVES - L. Ron Hubbard

So I say again, people - Really? ... Really?

[Hervé]

I don't think anyone on this forum is going to argue with you on that subject music.

And anyone who has experienced the beneficial results of the original LRH tech will tell you that the tech and the church are two totally different things.

But if you want to rally the disgruntled and witch hunters... do as... errr... thou wilt...

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Well, they say there's a sucker born every minute. Good luck with that.

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I will admit I am in a fractious mood, but I draw a line in the sand at child abuse. That's just how I roll. If child abuse is fine by others, then there is not much I can do about that. There is one unnassailable point, and that is, for the levels of abuse that have occurred to have occurred, there is quite obviously no moral, spiritual or itellectual advantage to be had from any supposed revelations or technologies this dross masquerading as enlightenment has to offer.

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And that, by the way, will be my final word on the matter. But hey, y'all feel free to intellectualise away the cries and the tears and the nightmares of the abused.

[Wookie]

I wonder if Jesus and the like intended to have their teachings turned into the Catholic Church?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I don't think anyone on this forum is going to argue with you on that subject music.

And anyone who has experienced the beneficial results of the original LRH tech will tell you that the tech and the church are two totally different things.

Yes, they're two very different things.

An analogy would be the vast repertoire of tools and techniques used by honest and skilled mechanics to repair the engine of your car... vs. the dishonest and crooked mechanic who takes your car in, charges you a fortune, and then doesn't really fix it at all so that you keep on having to come back for more expensive repairs. And meanwhile, the car never runs right after that again at all.

The problem is the unethical mechanic. Not the tools.

[Bill Ryan]

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1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_A...on_Hubbard.mp3

[eaglespirit]

Once again....everything that is anything in regards to our "real" advancement has been infiltrated and rigged and distorted and plagiarized, everything.
...especially those teachings that led to the real time use of our own individual sovereign spiritual powers to directly help alter matters on Mother Earth for the uplifting enhancement of humanity and the higher endeavors of serendipitous loving deeds and change abounding everywhere.
Please give our new 'independent' poster the benefit of the doubt...please. He is not touting a religion.
Something very good is coming about, imho.

It is time to really come together on this forum and in our daily lives and 'work' our common aspirations for the betterment of all.

[puurfectten]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I don't think anyone on this forum is going to argue with you on that subject music.

And anyone who has experienced the beneficial results of the original LRH tech will tell you that the tech and the church are two totally different things.

Yes, they're two very different things.

An analogy would be the vast repertoire of tools and techniques used by honest and skilled mechanics to repair the engine of your car... vs. the dishonest and crooked mechanic who takes your car in, charges you a fortune, and then doesn't really fix it at all so that you keep on having to come back for more expensive repairs. And meanwhile, the car never runs right after that again at all.

The problem is the unethical mechanic. Not the tools.

strange this thread came up. agree 100%..i read most or at least a good part of the book maybe 20 yrs ago. it wasn't until much later in life that I had used a lot of what was in the book to save myself from the path I was on.i probably would have drank myself to death. after looking back I realized that what I had done was what was in the book without being conscious of it at the time..but the funny thing is just this Friday I was telling a kid I know and I say kid..he's 32 yrs old lol..to get the book and read through it but just don't pay attention to the church of scientology stuff just read through the book.get what u can out of it.it's worth it...I think the survival instinct which embedded in all humans just as is in all animals creates a fundamental problem in humans due to the nature of our consciousness as opposed to other animals..when a dog for example touches something hot of has a run in with a lion..there is a negative emotion attached to the memory which stops the dog from doing that..of learning to run from a lion..this is good...but in humans there are so many excess experiences which get a negative emotion or charge attached to it that it becomes problematic ..to fix this u need to drain the emotional charge from the memories so they can be re-filed away as clear memories without all the other stuff attached to them..and it works..ijust my opinion but I think everyone should learn this........lee

[Sidney]

I think its obvious (to me anyway) why this thread came up.

The fact of the matter is, remember Steven Greer. Saying ALL ETs are good????? And of course DUH, statistics alone prove that theory wrong, just like saying Earth is the only planet that inhabits intelligent beings. (we are?) lol

My point is, there is enlightenment and contamination in every corner of the world. Whether its planets, countries,cities,neighborhoods,RELIGIONS, schools, churches, or girl/boy scout troops.

This is simply the way it is.

One of the best friends I ever had, a very enlightened, loving woman, is a devout catholic. And while I am not catholic, or even religious really, (I believe in SOMETHING, regardless of what I name IT) she is my friend, has always been good to me and everyone else she comes into contact with. AND, she even works for her local catholic organization. The pain she has endured over the controversies in the Catholic sect is unreal, but she has not herself become jaded or cynical.

I also am aware of someone (don't know him personally)heavily involved in a different christian church in a town I used to live in that was a dirty pedophile, and never got caught because no one could prove it..

Our world is full of bad people. Period. but we just cannot stereotype, because its irresponsible.

[Nothingness]

Okay, Okay. I need to look at the timinii thread a little more. All right, I admit I am having a "cranky old fool" few days. It's like: Now what? What is it now? Maitreya? Scientology? Please, no more of that. I know Ashayana Deane talked about each person having 12 selves in different time fields and dimensions. I'm not saying I am a Deane proponent either. Now I've probably offended ten more people along with the other 20 people I've already t'd off because I may have been over effusive. Laughing. I feel I am entitled to an occasional "old fool" day every now and then. I am deaf with Wegener's and some days making a cup of tea is all the challenge I can muster up, and after the cup of tea I have to go to bed and rest because it's all been too much. Thank you Bill R. for the transcript reference from above. I'm exhausted from making this comment and making a cup a tea.

[kirolak]

Coincidentally (!?) I have just completed the Self Assessment Test for the first time (the link to which I found on these forums, though I can not find it again). I have found all sorts of memories rising to my consciousness, some good, some bad, but all very vivid; & my dreams have been very intense.

I do not follow Scientology & never have, but found it an interesting exercise to do the tests. I have definitely felt more cheerful, too . . . .btw does anyone know where that link can be found, I have used to search function to no avail.

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I said I had my final word, but Bill, I think I owe you my thoughts since this is your forum after all, and I find you a likable person. I will give them, and then I will read and listen to the material you have provided, since I simply do not have the time now. I have a chicken carcass boiling to make chicken noodle soup for my family who are feeling the current intense energies a fair bit right now, as are many, and I have night surveys to do tomorrow night, so my family needs my attention tonight. I looked briefly at the Camelot link, saw the term “black ops” and decided this needs my full attention, something I cannot give now. It will be interesting to see if my thoughts change after examining this material.

My current understanding is that not only have the current and recent leadership of Scientology engaged in the systematic abuse, debasement, personality destruction/reconstruction (cf MK Ultra), and mind control of impressionable minors given in to their care, but the founder and espouser of this religion is likewise heavily implicated in the same reprehensible behaviour. I make no bones about the fact that I was sexually abused as a five year old child, and perhaps this informs my view, but my high heart tells me that it does not. Caveat: as the lioness will protect her cubs to the death, so too will I always be a voice for the abused. I have walked through that fire and emerged not only whole, but augmented with understandings and visions that were gifted to me through my pain so I could emerge and fulfil my own personal role here. My role is not to be liked, or admired, or even respected and loved – my role is to speak my truth, and let the chips fall where they may. Regardless of that, people who know me in my personal life universally love me for the good that I do. That is not ego - it is just how it is. You know that my partner, a respected voice here, is my truth control in this.

We perhaps would benefit from asking ourselves this question: if these awareness techniques are so real and steeped in truth – so “enlightening” – then why do those who espouse (and presumably practice) them commit such heinous crimes? The litany of abuse I have encountered would seem to me to be the antithesis of enlightenment. Should we perhaps consider the possibility of an ersatz “enlightenment”, and that there are some rather clever little bugs contained within the techniques? Now some may argue that accusations of abuse are “disinformation”, and I will, as I said, examine these later. There will no doubt be the claim that these techniques are being hidden from the world by some dark, draconian force bent on our subjugation? Hey, that sounds like the plot of a sci fi novel to me. Wait a minute, it is the plot of a sci fi novel!

It is a lamentable fact of the world at large, and this forum is an exemplar of that (not the only one obviously), that people expend most of their energy of understanding in the mental realm. The intellect will promote, in fact it will actively encourage, the exaltation of the individual thinker over all else. The heart, on the other hand, is the great leveller. I am no better than you, Bill, I am no better than the Christ Consciousness, I am no better than Hubbard or Hitler, yet I love every single being with my high heart equally. I don’t like Hubbard or Hitler (based on my current understanding and energetic reading of these entites), but I don’t have to. To me, “dislike” means “I love you, but I see the things that you do are not conducive to the greater common good”, and part of my role is to see this.

I’ll be straight with you Bill, while I will undertake to read the material you have presented with open mind and heart, I would ask you to concurrently consider whether you are a victim of residual programming with equally open mind and heart.

In closing, I wish to apologise to Amer Zo for my snarky comment earlier – I am a warrior of who is not yet fully seated in the high heart, and sometimes I act wrongly.

[CdnSirian]

http://worldcultwatch.org/another-space-sex-cult/

It is easy to become extremely cautious and cranky about the whole issue - when anyone can start tossing about the name Maitreya - the linked article just an example...a blend of salvation, redemption, free sex, cloning, Ufo's, the path to an Elite electorate world order, - led by one who chose to use the name Maitreya, the element that fits the least in the mix of ideas.

This one must have taken a Vita Mix or a Nutri Bullet, the blender would have broken down.

[Sidney]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_A...on_Hubbard.mp3

This one statement from the beginnings of Danes interview explains ALOT, and eases my discomfort of the whole of the controversies. I believe it with every cell in my body.
"The reason it was infiltrated by the Illuminati is because of the mind control techniques that could be developed from the 1950 book that Ron Hubbard published, and soon after because of the paranormal abilities that Hubbard’s techniques were producing. The Illuminati thought it could not allow humanity to discover their true innate powers and ability."

[ulli]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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1) For what really happened, read this interview transcript:

http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

2) An excellent audio from a BBC radio documentary in 1987. Do listen: it's very well researched, exceptionally balanced, and contains some astonishing information.

http://projectcamelot.org/Ruthless_A...on_Hubbard.mp3

This one statement from the beginnings of Danes interview explains ALOT, and eases my discomfort of the whole of the controversies. I believe it with every cell in my body.
"The reason it was infiltrated by the Illuminati is because of the mind control techniques that could be developed from the 1950 book that Ron Hubbard published, and soon after because of the paranormal abilities that Hubbard’s techniques were producing. The Illuminati thought it could not allow humanity to discover their true innate powers and ability."

The same reason that a grassroots movement like the 19th century Persian Bahai faith, which also had all the answers for humanity, was taken over by them with an attempt to turn it into a top-down organization.
The same reason that Gurdjieff groups all over the world were taken over and became torture chambers instead of allowing growth to occur at an individual's own rate.

But for every new sprout that springs from the tree of life that they cut off, two new ones emerge. Yay!
It's now too late. Their time is up.

Baha'u'llah wrote a prophecy over 150 years ago regarding these new energies, which are now clearly visible amongst members of this forum, in many of the Indigos, the Crystal Children, and anyone who turns their face towards Source in this age:

“He will, erelong, out of the Bosom of Power, draw forth the Hands of Ascendancy and Might—Hands who will arise to win victory for this Youth, and who will purge mankind from the defilement of the outcast and the ungodly.
These Hands will gird up their loins to champion the Faith of God, and will, in My name, the Self-Subsistent, the Mighty, subdue the peoples and kindreds of the earth. They will enter the cities, and will inspire with fear the hearts of all their inhabitants. Such are the evidences of the might of God; how fearful, how vehement is His might!”

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by music (here)
I’ll be straight with you Bill, while I will undertake to read the material you have presented with open mind and heart, I would ask you to concurrently consider whether you are a victim of residual programming with equally open mind and heart.

Residual programming from what?

I was never in the Church of Scientology. I am on their published Enemies List. (Take a look at p.113 of this document.)

That's a little like my asking whether you're a victim of residual programming from the yoga class, or the meditation group, you joined a few years ago, or residual programming from watching too many Project Camelot interviews.

[Strat]

A while ago I was researching Scientology because I was just fascinated in its members. No group of people are inherently 'wrong', I'm sure somewhere out there is a Scientologist you can share dinner with and trust they are a well grounded individual. It does seem though, that the Scientologist organization has mastered harassment at the highest level I'm aware of. Example A:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JM2SanSKk9c

Example B. No need to watch the whole video, click at about the 8:36 mark. This video is like a scene out of 'They Live.' What strikes me as odd (other than the harassment) are the 'characters' here. It looks like they got dressed up for a play. Everyone's roll is clear as day. You don't have too 'read' anyone. I'm not sure if you guys know what I'm saying, but it's just extremely odd to me:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AssNIRtAz7k

If you keep digging about Scientology you'll find a lot of videos that are taken down. It's incredible.

Now, all that being said, I do believe there is something to the auditing process. You can find the blueprints for free online to the auditing device. I looked it up a while ago, but if I remember correctly, it's basically a rudimentary bio feedback device. One has to be instructed on how to use it properly, but it doesn't appear to be rocket science as a lot of biofeedback is similar.

I have a biofeedback device that I use at home and it's incredible. Borderline unbelievable. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's a big draw for new members; they really are getting passed things that would hold them down in life. You don't have to take any drugs or anything, just go through a real process of drawing out the bs that holds you down in life.

Hopefully I'm not too offtopic, kinda on the run today and wanted to throw in my .02

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Here´s a very good nine minutes lecture/performance from L.R.Hubbard's great grandson, Jamie DeWolf. This one is a must watch:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ciupsqkLLkQ

Jamie is an active participant in anti-Scientology movements, and he obviously doesn´t have many good things to say about his great grandfather.

Raf.

ADD:

Another interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fbPzvaSDodU

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Jamie is an active participant in anti-Scientology movements, and he obviously doesn´t have many good things to say about his great grandfather.

If LRH was a family relative of mine, I might have some criticisms of him as well. I'm sure he was really hard to live with, for a large number of reasons. Tesla, Einstein and Royal Rife were probably equally difficult.

But his work is a huge legacy of brilliance, and proper application of his techniques (note: proper application!) can yield transformational results, along with the occasional genuine miracle. That's more important than what his great-grandson thought of him.