THE MIRACLE OF L RON HUBBARD'S TECHNOLOGY the end phenomenon that occurred

[jiminii]

this needs to be a new thread ... because it talks about phenomenon not someones personality and what the result was from this phenomenon.

Running a person back through time to the exact first incident of a painful incident that keeps repeating itself through time ERASES that chain.
the E meter measures resistance to electric energy in the body ... this resistance a dead female body has to electricity is different than that of a male.
but thoughts can raise this resistance to a very high level .... when you find the first time a person experienced a particular incident and you get the person to view it exactly what it is ... the entire chain of these same type incidents will ERASE.
when ever you ask that question again you will not find any resistance on the meter
example: .. what have you ever had to do with Jail? The first incidence of this took me back to 750 ad ... in a castle in France where I took off someone's head with a sword and I ended up in the dungeons ... that is my first time in jail

I had police always pull me over and hold me up for a long time thinking I was some kind of criminal and after I erased this chain of pictures the cops never bothered me again ..
the fact that you can not get a reading on the e meter proves the chain of pictures were erased.

this means GONE FOREVER unless you start a new chain but it would be a new time.

LRH had rules that NOTHING was to stop auditing ... if someone stopped auditing because of some sex betrayal .. then they would put the people in ethics ...

What did this do for ALL MAN KIND . .. all the books sent out had the methods to audit in them ...

so there are millions of Russian people that were auditing and are auditig just using the book of dianetics ..

so erasing these chains ERASES them permanently and does not go into the future ...

the more chains you erase the more free theta you release to this universe ... so all the money when he was here was used to sell books and get people auditing anywhere in any country because erasing the pictures with dianetics would make a person clear ... when you are clear all the pictures are turned to concepts ...

WHAT DOES THIS DO????
1 more free theta everywhere ..
2 no more repeat painful experiences of the same chain
3 it is like removing the effects of the automatic recording machine
is is like making people more closer to being like a star child indigo crystal rainboe

he said any auditing is better than no auditing ... this would erase enough of the worlds memories that repeat and change the future ...

it worked ... and it stopped the reptilians from taking over this galaxy and even though we are doing it now 367 years in the past it will ripple through the future and with the tech in the future we can literally alter anything we want to alter fo this physical universe ...

he took an entire 80 trillion year bad dream and stopped it and helped make it possible to make a better physical universe and stop the wars ane etc ...

SO THIS IS THE MIRACLE . by phenomenon ... that occurred by continuous auditig
even David Miscavage was unable to see it ... he couldn't stop scientology that fast and he had to follow the rules of stats and getting mroe done and he wouldn't be able to stop the tech that fast .... so by continuing to run scientology and continuing to audit people in droves ... he helped erase the timelines memories so he literally done himself in ... and he was too stupid to see it.

auditing doesn't just erase one painful incident ... it erases the entire chain that could go back billions of years ...

so it doesn't matter what anyone can say about his personality or anyone else's ... all this auditing world wide even from the huge push of book sales salvage this sector of the universe ... IT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO IT FOR 80 TRILLION YEARS ...

so please look at the result ... not all the negative stuff everyone talks about

jim

[christian]

That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

Wikipedia says it "measures electrical resistance and skin conductance [...] [and] has never been subject to clinical trials." So you use that device to determine 'where a person is at' in regard to his or her overall state of being, and you measure how a person reacts when confronted with whatever?

You're saying that auditing is the key to erase the chains that enslave us, right? That doesn't have to be done though in the framework of LRH's terms, I figure, when it's after all nothing else than processing past life experiences?

[aniN]

So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

[TheVoyager]

There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

[Christine]

Posted by aniN (here)
So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

[Finefeather]

Hi Jim
I do remember reading about this many years ago and your post here just let me recall a bit, it seems to me to be quite feasible but not that new.

I do a fair amount of counseling in the spiritual field and use a similar technique with quite good results...Without going into detail...I basically let the person step back and answer his/her own questions from a third person angle...by going back with the answers...in other words we don't solve the problem...as a future event...by finding.. solutions to the effect...but rather move back in time to the cause. This is exactly what karma is, in it's true sense. So from this angle this technique you are describing is a lot older than Mr Hubbard's revelation of it...I would give him credit in as much as he might probably have been attempting to westernize the ageless wisdom.

The chain you talk of is what I have experienced as been an inclusive essence of the persons subtle bodies...in the form of karma. Of course karma is actually a vibrational issue in it's esoteric sense and this is what Scientology is attempting to correct by normalizing the vibration in the complex subtle body of a person...this is nothing new, and is the goal of all true spiritual teaching.

So it would seems to me that the thinking behind this technique might be sound and would be of value to some in life...provided of course...that we have spiritually evolved persons doing the auditing.

Now as far as erasing time lines billions of years ago...all I would like to say here is that this is an error IMO. Auditing is not erasing the timeline of billions of years ago...they will forever be in the ether...what it is doing is correcting or changing the effect of the timeline with a new timeline at the time of the 'correction'. I always wonder if people are in fact thinking straight when they believe they can entirely wipe out past events with new events. A timeline is just a point of choice. What you might have said was that we are continually correcting millions of years of ignorance and wrong thinking as we continually seek greater awareness and understanding and wisdom. This is exactly what evolution is about.

The last thing I would offer is that I get the impression that, you seem to be under the impression that humans, as we think of them now, in this iron age, have been active for trillions of years in a similar state of awareness. Where did evolution get lost in the process? 80 trillion years ago Mr Hubbard was most likely incarnated into some form which would not even be a savage forerunner to the intellectual human state we see now.

Take care
Ray

[Hervé]

Posted by christian (here)
That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

[...]

Past life regressions and "karma" clearing have some therapeutic values but are only rough precursor techniques of the processes developed, thanks to the E-meter, in that, with these techniques there is no certainty one has reached the bottom of a chain of similar incidents down to its "basic" incident, i.e. the first incident of the kind that started the chain along with the life decision/wish/thought/postulate that created or caused that incident in the first place as well as the decisions/conclusions/directions derived as a result of that basic incident.

Hence, more often that not, these precursor techniques not only restimulate (trigger into action) all the "implant" chains that used hypnosis for their implanting and turn those chain live again in the here and now but also, very likely, leave the "basic" on the chain unaddressed and fully restimulated.

Accordingly, IMO, the "karma" school of thought and its inherent "Earth is a big school where one learns lessons" to explain away bad things happening to "good" people, is a bloody cosmic psyop that has nothing to do with the actual price of fish: the erasure of the basic on a chain... along with the erasure of the life decision/wish/postulate which caused it in the first place and also erasing the ensuing decisions/conclusions.

The E-Meter allows one to check if there is still some "charge" left in a basic incident until clear of "charge," i.e. "erased" with its accompanying "end phenomena" of a "floating needle" and a relieved, happy individual; or not in restimulation anymore, i.e. "keyed out" like a plug-in or a subroutine program can be "disabled" in a computer but still in existence although de-activated for the time being and until the next "session".

Unless past lives regressions and karma clearing address and handle these things, the only thorough methods I have found so far are the one described in Dianetics or the method used by Steve Richards who addresses "spirit" directly in order to handle whatever needs to be handled.

[TheVoyager]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by aniN (here)
So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

The E meter isn't necessary. You are communicating with yourself. All of our memories are locked in, auditing helps unlock them. It isn't magic, it isn't religion, it is techniques or tools to access what we already know but can't remember.

P.S. The E meter is a very sensitive device, once you have some experience with it you begin to understand the benefit. A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body, no more mysterious than acupuncture.

Christine, it might help to define which part of "yourself" is that you are mentioning and memories of which part of "yourself" are locked "in" where.

Also you wrote that "The E meter isn't necessary" and then you continue and write that "A competent and ethical auditor is able to find the hidden buttons, the needle on the meter reads the subconscious pulses through the currents of our body..."
Would you mind clarifying these two seemingly opposing claims?


I am interested to find out Jim's point of view to aniN's question.

And most of all... I'd like to read Jim's continuation of the story that he has started to tell us in this thread ...

[noprophet]

Anyone know where to find a first edition, unaltered, ..pdf of dianetics?

[music]

Hubbard invented nothing. The e-meter is nothing more than a stripped down variant of the polygraph except where a polygraph measures heart rate, respiratory rate, blood pressure and electrodermal activity, the e-meter measures electrodermal activity only (electrical conductivity of the skin reliant on moisture level). It was invented in the 1940s by a chiropractor named Volney Mathison (a fan of dianetics). The name on the patent application for the first e-meter was that of L. Ron Hubbard but according to Hubbard's son Ronald: "My father obtained the rights to the E-meter in1952 from Volney Mathison in the same manner that he does everything - through fraud and coercion." Hubbard's patent is for a modified version of Mathison's device that was developed by Scientologists Don Breeding and Joe Wallis in 1958.

At this point in time there is no empirical evidence that provides proof that this so-called miraculous piece of tech does anything more than measure whether you are “sweating” of not, and to what extent this is affecting the potential for electrical conductance of the skin. It can be used by a person who may or may not have innate psychic abilities, or an understanding of the human psyche to apparently “see” thoughts. One can imagine that the auditing process has made more than a few people sweat, and there are more than a few people who can read or see the thoughts of others without the aid of an expensive and fundamentally crude piece of equipment.

This is not my understanding of “miraculous”, and the e-meter was not invented by Hubbard, so I request the moderators change the name of this thread because it is misleading.

[Sidney]

Posted by noprophet (here)
Anyone know where to find a first edition, unaltered, ..pdf of dianetics?

here you go. EBAY of course. : ) I guess this is what your looking for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hubbard-L-Ro...item53f51d0eaa

[Hervé]

Good restimulation job, jim!

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Good restimulation job, jim!

restimulation: the “awakening” of an old engram, which occurs when a person’s present environment contains enough similarities to the elements found in the engram to cause a reactivation of it. When an engram is restimulated, a person can experience similar pains and emotions to those contained in the original incident.
http://www.whatisscientology.org/htm.../pg1023-b.html

stimulus-response: given a certain stimulus, something will automatically give a certain response.
http://www.scientologymyths.info/def...finitions.html

Cute...Have I been "restimulated" too?

[Padmé]

I dont feel very stimulated... especially when so many questions have still gone unanswered

[jiminii]

Posted by christian (here)
That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

Wikipedia says it "measures electrical resistance and skin conductance [...] [and] has never been subject to clinical trials." So you use that device to determine 'where a person is at' in regard to his or her overall state of being, and you measure how a person reacts when confronted with whatever?

You're saying that auditing is the key to erase the chains that enslave us, right? That doesn't have to be done though in the framework of LRH's terms, I figure, when it's after all nothing else than processing past life experiences?

we are talking about the concept ... dianetics from the book erases chains too .. go back to the first incident type stuff ... the recordings around the head are actual physical universe mass energy space and time too ... MEST or you wouldn't be able to measure it on an ohm meter ... the e meter is an ohm meter that is designed to find a small piece of the resistance blown up so you can see needle movement .. if you read the resistance with a regular ohm meter you will only see the general overall resistance ... so you will not see the small changes of a piece taken out of that resistance ... so if you are reading 6 million ohms .. you need to be able to get a small piece of that 6 million ohms to get a meter movement going

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by aniN (here)
So,... with "whom" do you ( and person that is being audited ) communicate using this mashine ( E meter ), that brings you to the event that needs to be erased?

they run a list of questions on you to see which one gets the biggest meter reads ... these will be areas of your life that have a lot of charge like electrical charge in your life. there has been times where there is so much charge from an incident .. it blew holes in the cans ... so the art of auditing is to take off the less charged areas first until enough is gone that you can go to the heavier stuff without blowing holes in the cans or melting the wires or turning the meter into a pile of dust.

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

no I am not acquainted with that tech ... but I am sure that the new technology coming from the stars is going to be very advanced ... trying to audit out one spirit with a lot of timelines they had to redo the technology because the newer processes I am getting from my perceptions is going to go back to the spirit itself ... now the spirit itself can not see this physical universe and that's why it needs a viewpoint .. it needs this viewpoint designed to not know everything about the physical universe so it will be able to see it .. because if it KNOWS what it is exactly it will vanish on him .. so we have to use what I am getting from these perceptions a different type of meter or method for the spirit to be able to read all the timelines he or she created ..it is like if you get a viewpoint out of the body it knows how to heal the body ... but we have to go before viewpoints and be able to see all the timelines and so we need better tech created to do that ..

does this answer your question?

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi Jim
I do remember reading about this many years ago and your post here just let me recall a bit, it seems to me to be quite feasible but not that new.

I do a fair amount of counseling in the spiritual field and use a similar technique with quite good results...Without going into detail...I basically let the person step back and answer his/her own questions from a third person angle...by going back with the answers...in other words we don't solve the problem...as a future event...by finding.. solutions to the effect...but rather move back in time to the cause. This is exactly what karma is, in it's true sense. So from this angle this technique you are describing is a lot older than Mr Hubbard's revelation of it...I would give him credit in as much as he might probably have been attempting to westernize the ageless wisdom.

The chain you talk of is what I have experienced as been an inclusive essence of the persons subtle bodies...in the form of karma. Of course karma is actually a vibrational issue in it's esoteric sense and this is what Scientology is attempting to correct by normalizing the vibration in the complex subtle body of a person...this is nothing new, and is the goal of all true spiritual teaching.

So it would seems to me that the thinking behind this technique might be sound and would be of value to some in life...provided of course...that we have spiritually evolved persons doing the auditing.

Now as far as erasing time lines billions of years ago...all I would like to say here is that this is an error IMO. Auditing is not erasing the timeline of billions of years ago...they will forever be in the ether...what it is doing is correcting or changing the effect of the timeline with a new timeline at the time of the 'correction'. I always wonder if people are in fact thinking straight when they believe they can entirely wipe out past events with new events. A timeline is just a point of choice. What you might have said was that we are continually correcting millions of years of ignorance and wrong thinking as we continually seek greater awareness and understanding and wisdom. This is exactly what evolution is about.

The last thing I would offer is that I get the impression that, you seem to be under the impression that humans, as we think of them now, in this iron age, have been active for trillions of years in a similar state of awareness. Where did evolution get lost in the process? 80 trillion years ago Mr Hubbard was most likely incarnated into some form which would not even be a savage forerunner to the intellectual human state we see now.

Take care
Ray

we are not erasing timelines ... what I mean about a timeline is another body managed by another viewpoint that was created from the same spirit ... example would be the other timelines that inelia benz is aware of .. the other timelines I am aware of are viewpoints operating bodies on space ships, hidden bases on this planet other planets and all those star children like indigo and crystal and rainbow children who have never been born before so have no karma ... these new viewpoints that are operating bodies on this planet are brand new ... they have no past life or other experience before this ... so they don't need auditing ... only people who have memory banks created by an automatic picture recording put in some kind of physical energy and is carried by the viewpoint from lifetime to lifetime ... now the viewpoint is the golden ball with a gold ring around it that everyone thinks is a spirit ... it is a viewpoint of a spirit so it can see into this physical universe that operates in a body or out ... what we are auditing are the pictures that were never viewed by the viewpoint that has never been analyzed because the viewpoint became unconscious when the pain was too much ,,. we are getting them to go back to let him see exactly what happened so he can erase that painful picture and it can never come back again to give him headaches or whatever was in the incident ... these incidents of unconsciousness also has words people say ... and those words can create hypnotic commands that makes him evaluate certain events according to the words in the incident ... like run run run you are safe .. after he got hit with a baseball ... and now he gets around a similar environment and feels he must run to be safe.

jim

[heysoulsister]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by TheVoyager (here)
There is a very advanced healing modality out there, which is based on an Aboriginal knowledge and understanding of the laws of Lore.
No machine needed for this one, but you do need to get a proper training by its founder. It changes dimensions that are stuck in time and clear inter-dimensional interferences, to put it very shortly.

Are you acquainted with Holographic Kinetics technology, Jim?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5i4_Mq7YPqU

no I am not acquainted with that tech ... but I am sure that the new technology coming from the stars is going to be very advanced ... trying to audit out one spirit with a lot of timelines they had to redo the technology because the newer processes I am getting from my perceptions is going to go back to the spirit itself ... now the spirit itself can not see this physical universe and that's why it needs a viewpoint .. it needs this viewpoint designed to not know everything about the physical universe so it will be able to see it .. because if it KNOWS what it is exactly it will vanish on him .. so we have to use what I am getting from these perceptions a different type of meter or method for the spirit to be able to read all the timelines he or she created ..it is like if you get s viewpoint out of the body it knows how to heal the body ... but we have to go before viewpoints and be able to see all the timelines and so we need better tech created to do that ..

does this answer your question?

jim

No need for any "tech" or stuff from the stars with Holographic Kinetics - Just an integrated agreement, ones Spirit will take you to the problem on the timeline.

[jiminii]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by christian (here)
That's what past life regressions and clearing karma are essentially about, I think.

However, the E-meter is something new.

[...]

Past life regressions and "karma" clearing have some therapeutic values but are only rough precursor techniques of the processes developed, thanks to the E-meter, in that, with these techniques there is no certainty one has reached the bottom of a chain of similar incidents down to its "basic" incident, i.e. the first incident of the kind that started the chain along with the life decision/wish/thought/postulate that created or caused that incident in the first place as well as the decisions/conclusions/directions derived as a result of that basic incident.

Hence, more often that not, these precursor techniques not only restimulate (trigger into action) all the "implant" chains that used hypnosis for their implanting and turn those chain live again in the here and now but also, very likely, leave the "basic" on the chain unaddressed and fully restimulated.

Accordingly, IMO, the "karma" school of thought and its inherent "Earth is a big school where one learns lessons" to explain away bad things happening to "good" people, is a bloody cosmic psyop that has nothing to do with the actual price of fish: the erasure of the basic on a chain... along with the erasure of the life decision/wish/postulate which caused it in the first place and also erasing the ensuing decisions/conclusions.

The E-Meter allows one to check if there is still some "charge" left in a basic incident until clear of "charge," i.e. "erased" with its accompanying "end phenomena" of a "floating needle" and a relieved, happy individual; or not in restimulation anymore, i.e. "keyed out" like a plug-in or a subroutine program can be "disabled" in a computer but still in existence although de-activated for the time being and until the next "session".

Unless past lives regressions and karma clearing address and handle these things, the only thorough methods I have found so far are the one described in Dianetics or the method used by Steve Richards who addresses "spirit" directly in order to handle whatever needs to be handled.

in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

LRH said you can back a viewpoint (thetan) 3 feet behind his head and he will know how to heal himself ... that is what I got with the spirit ... the spirit can see the viewpoints and each viewpoint can see using the body or itself whether it is inside the body or not ... so same theory should work for a spirit ... it can view all it's viewpoints and should be able to correct everything on these viewpoints track ...

jim