LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Christine]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

Hi Freed Fox,

Good to see your posts again. I have been musing for days on whether to post my own experiential data or not. Once I read your (and others) posts I realized that it may be valuable. I make no claims and yet my experiences remain vivid and instrumental in my understanding of how we influence and change our shared reality.

I have seen in telepathic sessions (facilitated by a highly trained free zone auditor) that there are many different races with an interest in this planet, not just the reptilians, who I have come to believe are a manipulated race themselves.

Here I will introduce my contact with the mantis beings… I haven’t followed Simon Parks thread that closely so I don’t know if this fits with his data. The mantis beings appear to me to be the master technocrats, they communicate in clicks and seem closely aligned with how computers work, I tend to see them as the programmers. I first became aware of their presence when I began to pick up their clicking sounds, they appear to operate in hyperspace and are working with or manipulating the reptilians to control the populace. They seemed devoid of consciousness as we understand it.

The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.

In one session I found myself on a ship off planet with five commanders, they all were able to perceive my presence and we entered into a consciousness rising communication, at that time they appeared to understand that destroying the earth was not in their interest. I felt they stepped into a different timeline and were aware that options and free will exist.

I am not a follower or "believer" of the LRH material (I have very little exposure) but I have used what is known as the tech with some pretty startling results. For the moment I am content to continue to explore what appears to be life changing and empowering.

All beings have free will so are able to experience freedom. It is very difficult for me to think in strict terms of good and bad... we are all shades. I don't deny evil either which for my understanding is the absence of Light. When we shine the Light on a subject we illuminate it and when we comprehend and bring that comprehension to the subject we are agents of change. Even pure evil will ultimately succumb to the Light.

This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

[thunder24]

Posted by Christine (here)
Hi Freed Fox,




The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.


This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PeaX6CpgTPM

[jiminii]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

we are not talking about destroying our enemies here ... we have been implanted and taken from our home universe so with all this we've been set to NOT LOOK, DON'T SAY ANYTHING, AND DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT ... so i think in solutions ,.,. others think in problems .. try to solve the problem and they will think ways to keep the problem here ... I did not see anyone come up with a solution .... WHY ... "because you can't confront that much evil" .. this is the story of the universe of NON CONFRONT ... that what you can confront you can handle. so just look at the viewpoint ... how many BIG beings do you think will be working at monsanto? and those that work at monsanto??? they must have at least some very sadistic think to even be there ... beings go where they KNOW ... what they KNOW is what they were last doing in the stars .. USA is a mirror of the stars ... so politicians go there because they somehow know they can survive there ... others go do the technical and etc ... if 7 our of 10 are minions working for monsanto because they are no greater than the trees or plants ... means they are exactly the same as a robot .. A GE (genetic entity) is a creation by a spirit to animate matter ... it is programmed some personality like lion horse etc ... but it is still a creation like a PC computer ... so making a computer sick isn't going to do very much damage .. so we got 30 percent perverts, degraded beings .. criminals ,,, sadist,,, sadistic doctors doing experiments to control people .. psychiatrist that was set up by the international bankers to get rid of their political enemies ... and any others they want to use to experiment on with their 300 or more mind control drugs ... so then the military and where is the BIG beings ... they are out here looking for enlightenment ... how many out of 30 percent left of this population that do have spirit beings do you think are working on the spiritual trying to get their powers back 10 percent? and how many of these are gods that can cause things to happen in the physical universe ? can any of you think of another solution and least show me you can do it ... make solutions ....
there is the tone sympathy
now an example of this tone is this ... there is a man in the quick sand pit up to his neck ... so someone who is in sympathy comes along and says, "well I don't know how we can solve your problem so I will jump in with you and we will go down together."
then there is NO SYMPATHY ... he comes along and throws the man both ends of the rope and says, "ok let's see you get out"
then there is high tone sympathy and he says, "hey I will throw you the rope and pull you out.'
now the man in the quick sand who is low tone says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "ok I will tie the rope here and you can pull yourself out.
the man in the quick sand pit says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "i tied the rope to the tree and threw it across you so if you want to get out you can but I got to go see you later."
you don't waste your time helping people who don't want it while we got such a mess on our hands.
so you say change their minds .... ???? how do you change robots minds ???? and sadists and perverts ???? so give them some of the same sickness they are giving others ...
do you know the psychiatrists will not do electric shocks on themselves or give them selves mind control drugs ... they would think it crazy but they would give you electric shock or drugs ..

let's look at the kids who shot up the school in colorado .. they were given drugs by psychiatrist that were dangerous and the scientologist went in and investigated it and presented it to the state ... the state ordered all psychiatrist out of the schools in colorado and after this 20 more states ordered them out of their schools too this is DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT .. of course Scientology has been taken over by the illuminati now .. for money only and to try to destroy the tech .. and make it unworkable ...
they traced it from the psychiatrist to the drug companies who were paying the psychiatrist to get the kids drugs

but people will listen to those who will do them in and not look at the real truth ...

so what have the enemies been doing to us ... I was in the sea org 3 times and these enemies are dropping viruses over the org and getting everyone sick .. viruses that if we go to a doctor to find out what we got they have no idea what it is ... of course we only go to the doctor to find out what is wrong and then find a natural cure for it ... we never use their drugs

their was a virus at FSO flag service org just put everyone in bed ... for weeks ... and I didn't go to bed and it worked out of me in 3 or 4 days ... they found the only solution was to put everyone back to work and they would have to work this virus out of us in about 3 or 4 days ...

the aliens ???? have some kind of electronic tech for sending frequencies into the mind ... in australia ... this pain didn't go to the body .. it went to me the soul and it was so painful and tried to put me in grief ... then i wrote something up about it because I thought it was coming from the OT's Operating thetans there ,., and suddenly it was gone ,,, they must of handled it ,.. so changing their minds .... ???? when they get their pay there and they are robots who will follow anyone??? but if you just decided to make them sick everytime they went into the company they wouldn't want to go there ,. they would think there is something there that will kill them ,,, life is a game ... and if you keep it a game you can win ,,, but get serious and reasonable and let all these people keep poisoning us ... is NOT OK ... we have a right to defend ourselves ... so I came up with a solution .. can anyone else come up with another solution that WORKS?????

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Again with generalizations... I mean no disrespect Amzer-Zo, but how can you possibly know that about the Reptilians? You've encountered them directly? You've met so many of their kind that you are able to make sweeping statements of what they are and are not capable of as a species? If you are referring to some body of written work, there are several who write of many different types/species of Reptilians all with different qualities. There are also those who have described them as highly empathic and kind. There is no reason to believe one account over another. Particularly when you believe in psy-ops... There are so many villainous depictions of those entities. What excludes the possibility that they are actually benevolent and all of this heresay is an attempt by the cabal to instill fear and paranoia regarding this race, to condition us to distrust them if and when they actually make contact?

LRH describes them perfectly in his science fiction novel ... battlefield earth

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
I agree with Fred's comments about the birth of tyranny. We should not seek to destroy our enemies. The greatest good should not involve killing or destruction, but rehabilitation. If we are as powerful as you claim, jim, then we should be capable of that at any and all levels.

The generalizations are also bothering me somewhat... I don't know if it intentional or not, but surely not all Reptilians are negative entities. It seems to me to be tantamount to looking at the actions of the cabal or illuminati, and equating all humans with this sort of behavior.

I desire to see salvation for all entities, even those who have been 'the worst of the worst'. That is the only 'greatest good' that I can accept as such.

Hi Freed Fox,

Good to see your posts again. I have been musing for days on whether to post my own experiential data or not. Once I read your (and others) posts I realized that it may be valuable. I make no claims and yet my experiences remain vivid and instrumental in my understanding of how we influence and change our shared reality.

I have seen in telepathic sessions (facilitated by a highly trained free zone auditor) that there are many different races with an interest in this planet, not just the reptilians, who I have come to believe are a manipulated race themselves.

Here I will introduce my contact with the mantis beings… I haven’t followed Simon Parks thread that closely so I don’t know if this fits with his data. The mantis beings appear to me to be the master technocrats, they communicate in clicks and seem closely aligned with how computers work, I tend to see them as the programmers. I first became aware of their presence when I began to pick up their clicking sounds, they appear to operate in hyperspace and are working with or manipulating the reptilians to control the populace. They seemed devoid of consciousness as we understand it.

The experience in sessions with the reptilians has me believing that they seek new consciousness, they are aware they are somewhat stunted in their present body form. While they will feed off of any high emotion, fear being primary they will absorb other emotions such as love and admiration. This appeared to excite them as they sensed a new potentiality. It seems they have been caught in rituals that have grown tired.

In one session I found myself on a ship off planet with five commanders, they all were able to perceive my presence and we entered into a consciousness rising communication, at that time they appeared to understand that destroying the earth was not in their interest. I felt they stepped into a different timeline and were aware that options and free will exist.

I am not a follower or "believer" of the LRH material (I have very little exposure) but I have used what is known as the tech with some pretty startling results. For the moment I am content to continue to explore what appears to be life changing and empowering.

All beings have free will so are able to experience freedom. It is very difficult for me to think in strict terms of good and bad... we are all shades. I don't deny evil either which for my understanding is the absence of Light. When we shine the Light on a subject we illuminate it and when we comprehend and bring that comprehension to the subject we are agents of change. Even pure evil will ultimately succumb to the Light.

This thread remains exciting if it brings us closer to our real power, this I believe we need to claim with all our might. It is inherent in us. Remembering who we are.

Christine

now if you can only have those commands run on you to locate all your other timelines or viewpoints out there .... we would have a much bigger field to operate from .... they never put this process in any of the scientology processing lineup ,,, if trey is a class 12 auditor ,,, he would know ,, but he didn't know he had to run these commands from the tapes for the first time on me. so he felt awkward since he's never done it before ... but I think I know why LRH never put it in the lineup .., he didn't want us to use it until the reptilians were defeated ... and they have been defeated ... other wise others could have found out what we were doing from the future.

I know they are defeated because they are not in the future track .. try to look into the future after 2050 ,.. and you won't see this physical universe anymore ,.. after we go into 4th dimension ,,, we will be losing more and more the sense of time .. and time will be almost non existent the way we know it

this should all happen in this year sometime and into the next year

jim

[Hervé]

Very interesting...

I posted this somewhere in answer to a comment on a blog:

One question that jumps out is, “How is [it] that LRH had time to write 11 novels, but no time to fulfill his promise – and it does appear to have been a promise – of “a very large number”/”perhaps 15 levels” ?

And where are the notes?

Well, I am gonna stick my neck out of behind the couch on the ready to dodge flying pizzas and bottles… but these are best of questions in that they contain their own answer… provided and given, of course, that one has re-educated and/or regained one’s ability to see and hear with one’s thetan eyes and ears…

See, those books are choke-full of applied tech…

Has one yet tried to echo-locate oneself like a bat and make the distinction between one moving in a fixed environment vs. a fixed environment moving with respect to oneself? Never mind echo locating oneself with respect to something else moving within either case… which OT level is that drill at?

This goes together with this oft misinterpreted quote:

“Competence is above case gain.”

How does one achieve competence?

Practice, practice, practice; drill, drill, drill…

Where does one find those drills to practice; once “above case gain,” that is, in a “native state”?

Well, me think they all are in books and lectures of the 50s and post 80s… making good on the promise of being free from the $cientology organization.

Reading LRH materials, I have grown up envisioning him as being a cross between a sea-wolf, a desert-fox and a weasel… how to hide the X on the map where the treasure is buried?

Well… as always… right in your face

[jiminii]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Very interesting...

I posted this somewhere in answer to a comment on a blog:

One question that jumps out is, “How is [it] that LRH had time to write 11 novels, but no time to fulfill his promise – and it does appear to have been a promise – of “a very large number”/”perhaps 15 levels” ?

And where are the notes?

Well, I am gonna stick my neck out of behind the couch on the ready to dodge flying pizzas and bottles… but these are best of questions in that they contain their own answer… provided and given, of course, that one has re-educated and/or regained one’s ability to see and hear with one’s thetan eyes and ears…

See, those books are choke-full of applied tech…

Has one yet tried to echo-locate oneself like a bat and make the distinction between one moving in a fixed environment vs. a fixed environment moving with respect to oneself? Never mind echo locating oneself with respect to something else moving within either case… which OT level is that drill at?

This goes together with this oft misinterpreted quote:

“Competence is above case gain.”

How does one achieve competence?

Practice, practice, practice; drill, drill, drill…

Where does one find those drills to practice; once “above case gain,” that is, in a “native state”?

Well, me think they all are in books and lectures of the 50s and post 80s… making good on the promise of being free from the $cientology organization.

Reading LRH materials, I have grown up envisioning him as being a cross between a sea-wolf, a desert-fox and a weasel… how to hide the X on the map where the treasure is buried?

Well… as always… right in your face

he is fulfilling his promise ... so far if all the recent data is true all the reptilian undersea bases have been destroyed and all reptilians have been sent through a portal to a place where they will never find here again and the leaders are facing crimes against humanity ... the only thing left is the cabal and the hybrids ... so the cabal has no one to back them anymore .but now all these other societies are trying to get into the game called earth ... now get this ... this planet is being setup with new spirit beings that don't have a past memory or a memory recording system ... WHY ??? so we don't keep creating the same mess again and again using that mind we created ...

in the stars we were all up there creating planets and sun's and moons and life forms ... then we could make our little wars between each other on these planets and it was like these planets were our toys ... so killing GE's is like killing toys ... but after they start using these planets to trap other spirits in it ... it is no longer a fun game ... so we are here and we are very serious and we don't even know who has spirits and who doesn't ... so all the affection we are getting could be from just a bunch of dolls ... but we don't look at them as dolls anymore .. we look at them as real life beings ... we designed them so much like real life that we don't even know we created it ... and so there must have been a god that did it .... we are that lost ....
we are not even up there enough to know we could have 1st choice if we could get rid of all this amnesia ... and the reptilians knew that ... so they had to stop us from wakening up..
LRH saw that the only way we could complete was to go back up to the galactic government and stop these reptilians from doing all this illegal stuff ... well when he got back his body was dead ... and the illuminati owned the game ... so he went up there and had this area to be protected from all alien forces ... a non interference area by all aliens ... then this system has to be redesigned so that they can audit us again ... means we have to be able to audit all the timelines in every spirit ... this is going to take a few hundred years ... so they are trying to set it up so we will have different kinds of bodies that don't need food and won't die that can let us be here in one dimension not split between two dimensions so we can audit all the different timelines so they can remove all this pain and misemotion so we can get everyone up to a totally clean new spirit being ready to start a new adventure ... but this time knowing with experience and wisdom so he can expand to infinity again if he likes ... we just have to wait until they've set up the planet ... just confront all the chem trails and other stuff until those entities are finally handled ... and then the galactic team can come down and start our rehabilitation and expansion

jim

[eaglespirit]

There's something happening here, what it is is exactly clear,,, : )

Good morning...wishing you all well!

Every time I am about to travel on in the last half decade or so...the last week before moving on something(s) very wonderful takes place in my life, well, rather unexpectedly...and that is just the way it needs to be for me and my forward moving energy or I would probably just say 'will ya just let me go home now because I already know it will all work out' if I knew to much ahead of time here.

I'm just an ol' carpenter from MA that smokes his tobacco pipe too much...Jim's just an ol' cowboy from Utah...You're just an ol' school teacher from Wichita...She's just a young student from Ohio...He's just a sculptor from New Mexico...Ya get it, ya, you get it. We're on a spirit course together with the most beautiful earthly transformations imaginable...and we're now firmly in the driver's seats.

Ths place called Avalon has and has had some of the most altruistic people on this planet, imho, become a part of what we're a part of. All Bill and Kerry wanted to do is get the fullest truth out and help us help each other change it all for the better of all...that's just too darn pure and honest and 'altruistic' for the regular rhythms out there in controlled la la land...bumps and scrapes and all and this is still truckin' along. It has been subtly and not so subtly infiltrated...and still is...there are people around that don't even fully know their intentions here are muffled by some not so nice things, some are here on purpose and some are just here because they're here...and that's ok.
It is all getting cleaned up now as never before, methinks.

Yes, we each are powerful spiritual beings...and if too many of us knew too much of that too soon, well, we wouldn't be here right now.

I have many cultures running through my veins as do many of you...I have been shown and have touched some of the most wonderful aspects of these cultures in the last number of years... I had to get "right in the mix' of them for some very good reasons. I have experienced and have been shown things beyond any prior belief of mine that it could happen here on earth. We are being touched by and helped by a focused filament of light and energy that is so high and so powerful and so spiritually strong that it can only come in trickles to help us help ourselves now.
It is here with us, powerfully...all we have to do is live 'actively' in humility and empathy and spirit power at the same time and bring these ever so long awaited higher changes into bountiful life.

I don't even like to use the word scientology here because it has been so blatantly pulverized into oblivion.
Its origination and sole purpose was meant to help humanity...well, the heart of that pure origination is here to help humanity.
Let's see what we can do to help help humanity....because...
We are being touched by and helped by a focused filament of light and energy that is so high and so powerful and so spiritually strong that it can only come in trickles to help us help ourselves now.

Thank You Jim and All...
Love You All!

[Rex]

I'd like to read the DIANETICS book but am wondering if there are any differences between printings. Does anyone know?

[Padmé]

Posted by jiminii (here)
this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Was just wondering... and obviously I respect your decision mods of Avalon... but if this is the case, then shouldn't this thread be in the channelled information category?

[jiminii]

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Was just wondering... and obviously I respect your decision mods of Avalon... but if this is the case, then shouldn't this thread be in the channelled information category?

yes how do we do that?

[Christine]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Was just wondering... and obviously I respect your decision mods of Avalon... but if this is the case, then shouldn't this thread be in the channelled information category?

yes how do we do that?

As a mod my opinion would be to leave the thread where it is. I don't see this as solely channeled material, certainly the body of work of LRH would not be considered channeled and since this is the title of thread we are covering a large data base of material.

[Padmé]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
this is the story of Metteyya told by one of his viewpoints jim

Was just wondering... and obviously I respect your decision mods of Avalon... but if this is the case, then shouldn't this thread be in the channelled information category?

yes how do we do that?

As a mod my opinion would be to leave the thread where it is. I don't see this as solely channeled material, certainly the body of work of LRH would not be considered channeled and since this is the title of thread we are covering a large data base of material.

Oh okay, surely the subject of this thread is Jiminii's opening post... and considering Jiminii agrees that this should also be in another catagory, shouldn't this be taken into account? But like I said, I respect your decision

[thunder24]

what would buzz light year say?

[Swanette]

Posted by deadfoot (here)
I'd like to read the DIANETICS book but am wondering if there are any differences between printings. Does anyone know?

I am new to LRH's work but Jim's thread has awaken me to this in such a profound way that I have been reading online more about him and realized that I could find his true works if I looked around in the used book stores near my home. I figured his original books would have not been 'altered' so I have been going around town to used book stores looking for anything of LRH that was the original stuff. I found yesterday his Dianetics-Modern Science of Mental Health book (written 1950)the first paperback edition from Oct 1968 in a small used book store. I also found a hardcover copy of 'Scientology A New Slant on Life' written 1965 but a 1982 reprint(hopefully not altered). Also I found a Scientology dictionary printed in 1971 written in 1965. I think there are many of his original books around everywhere but it takes a little searching. Hope this helps.

[Christine]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
what would buzz light year say?

I asked him in a channeled session and he said leave the thread where it is.

[kanishk]

Posted by jiminii (here)
A GE (genetic entity) is a creation by a spirit to animate matter ... it is programmed some personality like lion horse etc ... but it is still a creation like a PC computer ... so making a computer sick isn't going to do very much damage .. so we got 30 percent perverts, degraded beings .. criminals ,,, sadist,,, sadistic doctors doing experiments to control people .. psychiatrist that was set up by the international bankers to get rid of their political enemies ... and any others they want to use to experiment on with their 300 or more mind control drugs ... so then the military and where is the BIG beings ... they are out here looking for enlightenment ... how many out of 30 percent left of this population that do have spirit beings do you think are working on the spiritual trying to get their powers back 10 percent? and how many of these are gods that can cause things to happen in the physical universe ? can any of you think of another solution and least show me you can do it ... make solutions ....
there is the tone sympathy
now an example of this tone is this ... there is a man in the quick sand pit up to his neck ... so someone who is in sympathy comes along and says, "well I don't know how we can solve your problem so I will jump in with you and we will go down together."
then there is NO SYMPATHY ... he comes along and throws the man both ends of the rope and says, "ok let's see you get out"
then there is high tone sympathy and he says, "hey I will throw you the rope and pull you out.'
now the man in the quick sand who is low tone says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "ok I will tie the rope here and you can pull yourself out.
the man in the quick sand pit says, "no I can do it myself."
so the high tone person says, "i tied the rope to the tree and threw it across you so if you want to get out you can but I got to go see you later."
you don't waste your time helping people who don't want it while we got such a mess on our hands.
so you say change their minds .... ???? how do you change robots minds ???? and sadists and perverts ???? so give them some of the same sickness they are giving others ...
do you know the psychiatrists will not do electric shocks on themselves or give them selves mind control drugs ... they would think it crazy but they would give you electric shock or drugs ..

let's look at the kids who shot up the school in colorado .. they were given drugs by psychiatrist that were dangerous and the scientologist went in and investigated it and presented it to the state ... the state ordered all psychiatrist out of the schools in colorado and after this 20 more states ordered them out of their schools too this is DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT .. of course Scientology has been taken over by the illuminati now .. for money only and to try to destroy the tech .. and make it unworkable ...
they traced it from the psychiatrist to the drug companies who were paying the psychiatrist to get the kids drugs

jim

I thought that a 'homo sapien' without Spiritual Being i.e. body controlled only by GE will behave like an animal. Who can just walk, drive, eat and shout at people. And I read somewhere that the Spiritual Entity is degraded by GE, which then results in the 'Spiritual beings' in bodies behaving like GE's.

And GE is able to do that because 'Spiritual entity' has done an overt act upon GE for taking over the control of his body, and that the Spiritual entity hides that fact from GE and does another overt act.

I have not correctly represented those facts above that I have read somewhere so if you want to add please correct.

The thing that is making me uneasy is that the many people around us have no 'theta' but only the 'GE' operating them. Please give more details about that,

[Mark]

Posted by Swanette (here)
I am new to LRH's work but Jim's thread has awaken me to this in such a profound way that I have been reading online more about him and realized that I could find his true works if I looked around in the used book stores near my home. I figured his original books would have not been 'altered' so I have been going around town to used book stores looking for anything of LRH that was the original stuff.

Yes, this thread has touched me in a similar way. I found Dianetics when I was about 15 years old at some paper-back exchange, they don't even have those anymore. I left it after reading about half of it but some of it must have stayed with me. I found about a gig's worth of audios the other day, the Phoenix Lectures, over at the Pirate Bay, it is L. Ron himself. Been listening the past few days. I think the hype of institutionalization that has been pumped up so much over the past few decades surrounding scientology has had the sheen of an orchestrated affair so I'm not at all surprised by contentions that it has been taken over by Elite-types, that would only make sense.

[Padmé]

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
Well...let's change their minds then...let's get on with it...each one of us that chooses to!

[...]

Well, ya'll welcome to become "auditors":

No thank you... but thats kind of you to offer though
... but does this then mean that we cant use our minds to change theirs, unless we are auditors?

This is a genuine question that I feel hasnt been answered yet...

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Christine (here)
As a mod my opinion would be to leave the thread where it is. I don't see this as solely channeled material, certainly the body of work of LRH would not be considered channeled and since this is the title of thread we are covering a large data base of material.

Hi Christine. What about some sort of a thread merger. Just one thread entitled something like: "All Things Ron Hubbard And Scientology"? Something akin to Kreagle's "Bible Thread".

Personally anyway, I don't want to keep seeing new "The Greatness And Miracles Of Ron Hubbard...It's The Only Way" type threads popping up, because the topic has shifted gears from Battlefield Earth to the E-Meter.

Same as I don't want to keep seeing new "Have Your Sins Washed Away Through The Blood Shed By Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ..It's The Only Way" type threads popping up, because the topic has shifted gears from "John" to "1 Timothy".