Bible Topics and Questions

[humanalien]

That could be. Maybe i'm expecting to much, to fast.
I'll slow down a bit and see what happens.

Thank-you

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
That could be. Maybe i'm expecting to much, to fast.
I'll slow down a bit and see what happens.

Thank-you

humanalien,

I am very grateful to see that you are willing to exercise some patience, my friend. With your current spiritual situation that you are facing, I'm reminded of my mother telling me to,......"slow down and 'chew your food', properly, or you're going to 'choke yourself to death!"

As a 'youth', I would often find myself being impatient, thinking I was 'starving to death', so I would try to rapidly consume my food, which would bring about the 'comments' from my mother, as stated above.

It's great to see that you appear, at this time, to be desperately hungry, ( from a spiritual standpoint), but you do need to 'slow down',....and properly digest what you have received.

Matthew 5:6 (KJV)

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

In the meantime, brother, I would carefully advise you to 'stay away' from comments, ( or 'views'), like 'this',......

Posted by humanalien (here)
I'm not bashing God because i truly do believe in God and Jesus but
the bible seems to be less than truthful. There is no wonder why the
world is in such turmoil over religion. None of then are correct.

.....and concentrate, more heavily on comments, ( and 'views'), like 'this', instead!

Posted by humanalien (here)
Every word in the bible is important and it was put there for us
to learn. Not just part of it but all of it.

I also want to comment on your statement, here,.....

Posted by humanalien (here)
We are taught about only one creation of man in church as children
but now that i'm grown up and up in years, i'm seeing two separate
creations of not only man but animals and plants to.

Come on now. These are only the first 2 chapters in the bible and
i can't get past them because of the flaws in the stories.

You need to realize, humanalien, that the first '2 chapters' of the Genesis account of creation are not written in a 'chronological order' of the events as they unfolded and took place. Genesis, chapter 1, gives us a 'complete' overview of the creative 'process' over the '6 days of creation',.....and.....Genesis, chapter 2, simply goes 'back' to reemphasize some of the 'specifics' of our creation, ( ie. Adam's rib taken and woman, Eve, created. Also, there appears more 'specifics' on the animals and plants, in chapter 2.) This does not mean there was a 'second creation' of either man, plants, or animals,.....it simply was written this way to bring out these 'specifics' of our creation for our understanding.


Hang in there, brother,.....more 'rays of revelation' are coming your way,....'if' you will be patient and remain 'true to your heart'!

Your brother, friend, and servant,.....kreagle

[humanalien]

OK. I get part of it right now.

In Gen chap 1, God created all the plant life.
In Gen chap 2, God planted a garden, not create one.

Answer this though, if you can.

Whats the difference between created and formed?

In Gen chap 1, God created male and female.
In Gen chap 2, God formed man from the dust of the earth.
Eve was made from adams rib.

[kreagle]

An Eagle's View

(*hint*....it's 'all in the Wings!')

Isaiah 40:30-31 (KJV)

30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:

31 But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Eagles, by the divine design of God, are able to 'naturally' soar to heights that the rest of creation can only 'dream about', much less see for themselves. A researcher, Ugo Njoku, found that the bald eagle, at top flight, can even fly at a 'staggering' height of 30,000 ft., which is about the cruising altitude of jet powered airliners! http://www.seedsinwords.com/2011/11/...-you-fly-high/

In addition to the eagle's unchallenged ability to 'naturally' soar to such unprecedented heights we find that their visual acuity is unparalleled, registering at approximately 20/4, as compared to our 'human' standard of excellence at 20/20.

What 'sights' the eagle must be able to behold from the 'advantage point' that he/she can escalate to, combined with their visual superiority! They, literally, can see 'things' from an advantage point that the 'rest of us' are not able to do,...naturally!


While 'other' birds beat their wings, furiously, to fly at their respective 'levels', the eagle normally beats his/her wings rather slowly, for a bird. Once air-born, the eagle will usually 'ride' on air-currents - hardly flapping at all! In a, somewhat, 'kite-like' fashion, the eagle is then able to soar,....higher and higher, barely having to 'flap' at all, as the 'wind' lifts the bird to breath-taking heights.


You see,....it's 'all in the wings!',....my dear friends! When 'mature',....the adult eagle's wingspan can reach 7 to 7 1/2 feet in length, giving it the 'natural ability' to create tremendous lift as the wind circulates beneath it's magnificently divine design!


In turning the attention towards 'us',.....we've all heard the term 'earning your wings' used from a military standpoint, and even spiritually applied, by some, also. It's application always is in reference to 'successfully' passing certain courses, (or tests), whether they apply to the 'military',...or....to spiritual matters.


This application of the term 'earning your wings' certainly has it's merits, but unfortunately, there are 'many' individuals who want to 'wear the wings'....BEFORE...they 'actually earn them!' A person can easily go to a military 'surplus' store,....purchase a military uniform and sew all the 'stripes, stars, and medals' on it that they want,...but it doesn't mean that they've 'earned' them at all, does it?


In a recent post, ( #589), ( https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post669756), I shared with many of you some of the 'events' that transpired in my life, back on February 22, 1981, when I was 26 years old, and finally had decided is was time for me, personally, to make a change and make a solid 'commitment' to God. Little did I know it, 'then', but I was about to 'earn my wings' where I, too, could soar to heights that I never realized were even possible to attain in this life! There I would 'see', ( and understand), things from a 'totally different' perspective, and my 'spiritual acuity' would suddenly take a drastic turn,....crystallizing my 'vision' beyond my wildest dreams!

I've heard several individuals express to me, ( in amazement), about my spiritual ability to quote scriptures, and my overall ability to know 'where to go' within the Bible at 'just the right time, or place'. Normally, ( after 'blushing',...for I am uncomfortable receiving such 'praise',...as I am, equally, 'very uncomfortable' even writing about it, as I am right now),...I am 'always' quick to point out that it's NOT me,....but HIM speaking within me, that should be given the credit, or accolades for any such praise. Since the event that I spoke of, above, on February 22, 1981, when He gloriously filled me with the Holy Ghost, I have spent the last 32 plus years digesting His Word,.... making countless notes,.....highlighting throughout by entire Bible,...over and over and over, again,....to get where I am today. I've become a 'student' of His Word, subjecting myself to the 'proper' authorities, ( ie. my 'Pastor',....and 'other' teachers within my life). My 'wings' were growing, and allowing me to soar to heights, once unattainable, as my wind, ( His Spirit), circulated beneath my wings, lifting me higher, and higher with each passing day! As such, my 'spiritual acuity' was allowing me to see 'things' that others failed to see.


Now,.... before I continue,.... I think it is imperative for me to reveal to each of you my 'level' of religious understanding 'prior' to this 'life changing event' as I've alluded to above.


You see,....I've only graduated from high school,.....I've never been to college,....much less 'bible' college, etc. Up to this 'event',....I had never even read the Bible through,...not even 'one' time! I couldn't have told you how many 'books' there even were in the Bible,....( 39 in the Old Testament,....27 in the New Testament). I only knew a few of the very 'basics',....and I might have been lucky to have 'accurately' named '5' books in the Bible at 'best!'


But,......there's 'one thing I DID have!',.....and 'that' was the fact that I 'always' knew, ( and 'believed'), in God! I didn't know it 'then',....but I had 'faith', ( Romans 12:3), that I was going to completely place in God, and His Word, for the first time in my life! It never even 'crossed my mind' to doubt God's Word, or to allow myself to question It's authenticity,...or whether It had been 'tampered' with like I've heard 'many' on here state!


While there are 'many' who will say,...."That's nothing but blind, foolish-type faith",......I will say to them,...."you can call it blind, and foolish if you want,....but, take it from me,...it will cause you to 'soar with the eagles', my dear friend!" While the detractors of faith spend most of their time trying to 'wrap their brains around the concept of God and His Word' , ( as they try to 'intellectually' figure Him out),....your going to find 'ole kreagle',.....'soaring with the eagles',....looking down on those who keep entangling themselves with doubt, and failing to make their own 'commitment' to God.


Quite candidly,....the 'only thing' that blurs my own spiritual acuity today is the 'tears in my eyes' that have been, ( and continue), to flow from them for those who continuously entangle themselves, unnecessarily. This 'entanglement' can easily be undone by accepting the 'simplicity' of God's saving Gospel Message in Acts 2:38, as illustrated in my signature, for 'all' to see.


This 'eagle',.....ole kreagle, himself,....would like to 'invite' you to soar with me!

But, in order to do that!,....you'll need to 'earn your wings',....just like I did, too!


God Bless you 'all',.....your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
OK. I get part of it right now.

In Gen chap 1, God created all the plant life.
In Gen chap 2, God planted a garden, not create one.

Answer this though, if you can.

Whats the difference between created and formed?

In Gen chap 1, God created male and female.
In Gen chap 2, God formed man from the dust of the earth.
Eve was made from adams rib.

Hey brother,


The 'same' principle applies that I shared with you, earlier. The act of 'forming' mankind from the dust of the ground, ( Genesis, chapter 2 account), just breaks down to a 'simpler' form, for you and I, exactly how God chose to carry out the actual creation of mankind, ( as recorded in the Genesis, chapter 1 account).

In addition,...if you think about it,.....that's all we actually are, ( just a 'glorified mud-ball'), made out of the 'dust of the ground'! That, of course, is 'all we will ever be',.....unless we allow God to 'complete' His glorious work, as I've just alluded to in my previous post,....An Eagle's View.


God Bless you, brother,........your friend, brother, and servant,.......kreagle


post update


humanalien, perhaps 'this' will further help you to rationalize your thoughts.

Only God can 'create',....which is to make 'something out of nothing',...as 'only' He can do!

To 'form' is a similar process of the act of 'creation',....but this is where He took what he had already created, ( the earth,...it's ground, or dirt),.....and then, 'formed' man, ( Adam), out of the dust of the ground. He then took what He had already created, ( Adam,....and extracted a 'rib'),......and 'made' Eve.

'All' of this took place in the Genesis, chapter 1 account,.....and 'then' His Word breaks it down for us, in the Genesis, chapter 2 account,.....to explain exactly 'how' He did this creative work.

Do you see, now, brother?


God Bless,......kreagle

[humanalien]

I'm starting to see what was going on at that time.

Gen 1, is just a general overview of creation, where-as
Gen 2, gets more specific about the creation of man.

There are still a couple of things that i don't understand.

On the 3rd day of creation, in Gen 1: 11-12, is says:

11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so.

I take it that God created all these things at that time.

12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Is this saying that what God created, began to grow?

How can that be when the sun, moon and stars weren't
created until the 4th day?

Next question.

In Gen 1, God is called God but in Gen 2,
he is called Lord God.

I never really gave it must thought before but
now that i'm digging into this more, i would say
that Lord God is referring to Jesus.

I know i'm wrong. That is why i asked.

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I'm starting to see what was going on at that time.

Gen 1, is just a general overview of creation, where-as
Gen 2, gets more specific about the creation of man.

There are still a couple of things that i don't understand.

On the 3rd day of creation, in Gen 1: 11-12, is says:

11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so.

I take it that God created all these things at that time.

12: And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Is this saying that what God created, began to grow?

How can that be when the sun, moon and stars weren't
created until the 4th day?

Next question.

In Gen 1, God is called God but in Gen 2,
he is called Lord God.

I never really gave it must thought before but
now that i'm digging into this more, i would say
that Lord God is referring to Jesus.

I know i'm wrong. That is why i asked.

humanalien,


Question #1-

Posted by humanalien (here)
How can that be when the sun, moon and stars weren't
created until the 4th day

A very astute observation by you, humanalien,.....and I hope, ( and trust), that you will be just as excited with the 'answer' as I was when I first had my 'revelation' on this, too! You are, indeed, correct in that the sun, moon, stars, etc., ( ie. 'light' as we know it), had not appeared on the scene until the '4th' day of creation. Since we know, ( and understand), that photosynthesis is a vital process for all plants, trees, etc., to grow, and since we know that photosynthesis requires 'light', ( ie. the sun), in order to be activated,.....where did this 'light' come from so these plants and trees were able to 'originally' grow?

The answer lies in Gen. 1:3, for it's here where we see the 'source' of the original 'Light' that was upon the scene, and the 'only' source of light, until He created the sun, moon, and stars, on day #4. That 'Light', my friend, was God, Himself,....for when He graced His creation with His presence, He was the 'only' source of light that was available. This Light,.....God, Himself,....was what those 'original' plants, trees, etc., had to rely upon to originally grow. Not only did they grow, but it appears that many of them even appeared to rapidly bloom to a 'fruit bearing state', overnight, so-to-speak. Of course this should not surprise us, given God's unlimited ability, combined with Him being the Light for their growth!

1 John 1:5 (KJV)

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


Also,.....note this passage about the 'Light' of Heaven, itself, and the source from where it is derived.


Revelation 21:23 (KJV)

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

What a 'glorious' Light He really must be! There is no God,...like 'our' God, brother!



Question #2-

Posted by humanalien (here)
In Gen 1, God is called God but in Gen 2,
he is called Lord God.

I never really gave it must thought before but
now that i'm digging into this more, i would say
that Lord God is referring to Jesus.

With this question, let me 'first' lay a foundation, ( which is Biblically sound), so you can see what the Scriptures have to say about the terms,....'Lord',....'God',.....'Lord God',.....and 'Lord Jesus'.


Through Moses, God specifically instructed him to relay to His people, Israel, that He was 'ONE' Lord,....and that they, ( Israel), were to 'always' look upon Him, as such,....'one' in numerical property,....and 'singular' as the Supreme Deity. The following text is the 'Old Testament' concept of God.

Deuteronomy 6:1-7 (KJV)

6 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:

2 That thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.

3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the Lord God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

4 Hear, O Isael: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Furthermore,....we see that this 'Old Testament' concept of God,....or Lord God, was completely the 'same' in the 'New Testament', also!

Ephesians 4:4-6 (KJV)

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Now look at this passage where 'doubting Thomas', ( the disciple), finally had his eyes opened to who he was really 'following',.......

John 20:27-29 (KJV)

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I think it should be noted that Jesus did 'NOT' try to 'correct' Thomas, here, by saying,...."now you're going a little to far, Thomas, by recognizing me as your Lord and God". The reason for this is quite simple,....for there was absolutely no reason for any correction whatsoever, for Thomas was completely right. Jesus, indeed, was his 'Lord and God',....for in that special moment of revelation, Thomas had been able to 'look beyond the veil of His flesh',....and see the Lord God that was on the 'inside' of that fleshly body, and honored Him as such.


Lord,.....God,......Lord God,.....or......Lord Jesus,.....'each' of these simply refers to the 'ONE' Deity that He actually is, and always has been.


In the Old Testament, God's name was referred to as Jehovah, or Yahweh.

In the New Testament, God's name is literally Jesus. When we address God, today, we should call upon His name, Jesus!

The 'name' Jesus, in the Greek, ( which is what the New Testament was written in), literally means.....God is Salvation,....or simply,.....Jehovah has become our salvation. This is 'exactly' what our God did, when he robed Himself in flesh, ( remember,....God manifest in the flesh? 1 Timothy 3:16), and became the Sacrificial Lamb for you, and I, at Calvary!



As 'always',....your brother, friend, and servant,........kreagle

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
Kreagle

There's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense.

In Matthew 3:17, after john the baptist, baptizes
Jesus, Gos said "This is my beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased".

How can God have a son(Jesus) and still be the
same entity?

I should have said:

How can God be his own son and still be God
at the same time?

That would be like you, going to a lake to be baptized
and as soon as that is done, you rush off to get a helicopter,
fly over the area where you were baptized and got on the
bull horn and said "This is my beloved son".

Obviously, you are not your son and your son is not you.

I won't say that your wrong about your post above, because
clearly, i'm considered a baby in the lord, and need the mature
more but i will say that i just don't understand how this can be.

humanalien,

In an effort to help you understand this, remember what we talked about earlier, where only God, has the attributes of being....omnipotent, ( all powerful).....omnipresent, (everywhere at once)......and.....omniscient, ( all knowing).

Next, you need to understand exactly 'who' God was making this statement to, ( in Matthew 3:17). You see, He was not making this statement directly to a 'second' Deity, ( Jesus), for His own benefit,...for Jesus 'already knew' that the 'fullness of God' dwelt within Him and didn't need to be informed of this. This statement was 'only' made for the benefit of those, including John the Baptist, who were there in a Divine effort, by God, to specifically emphasize to them, ( the people there), that this Individual, Jesus Christ, was the Chosen Vessel, Himself, that He had chosen to dwell within, and was pleased to do so. This was God's way of showing 'all' of humanity that He was 'specifically' anointing 'this particular fleshly Tabernacle', which He further emphasized by allowing these people to not only 'hear' His Voice,....but to also 'see' His Spirit, as a dove, descending and resting upon Him.

Matthew 3:17 (KJV)

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Notice where God said here,......'in whom' I am well pleased ( to dwell). He did NOT say 'with whom' I am pleased,.....but 'in whom',.....for God literally was 'inside' of this fleshy body of the 'man', Jesus Christ!

2 Corinthians 5:18-20 (KJV)

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Notice brother, in verse 19, above, that 'God was in Christ', for the express reason of reconciling the world, ( bringing mankind back), unto Himself!


As far as the 'voice from above', ( God's voice), being 'heard' while the Son of Man, Jesus, was down here on earth,....this is where His omnipresence comes in, my dear friend. To 'speak from above',....while standing on the ground in His 'fleshly Tabernacle',... ( the 'man', Jesus Christ), presented absolutely no problem for our God, brother. You see, God can be 'everywhere', at once, and fully operate as God, anytime He chooses to do so! He does this on a 'regular' basis, today, all across this world in which we live. He can easily give His 'full attention' to someone in Russia,....while 'fully attending the needs' of someone in Australia,....while 'fully comforting' a family in America, at 'precisely the same moment',.....( and the 'list' could go on, and on, and on,....including every city, country, on the face of this planet! You cannot 'overwork' God,...or place to much on His plate, that He cannot handle, my dear, dear friend!


The terms 'Son' and 'Father' really confuse the majority of people simply because we are guilty of taking these 'terms', ( or titles), and applying them 'only' within our 'human understanding'. You see, humanalien,....I, kreagle, have 'two' sons,...who, indeed, are 'separate' individuals aside from me. However, we 'must' learn exactly what the 'term',....'Son of God' really means, ( from a Bible standpoint), in order to have a proper understanding of what the Scriptures are endeavoring to relate to us.


We 'all' know that Jesus definitely was the 'Son of God', right?,....but did you know that He was 'someone else's son, also?' He 'also' is referred to as the 'son of man', brother,....almost as many times as He was referred to as the 'Son of God'!


Per the Bible,.......

Jesus referred to as the......Son of God = 136 times

Jesus referred to as the......son of man = 116 times

The Son of God terminology means He was 'Divine in origin'

The son of man terminology means He had a 'human entrance' into this world,....specifically by His design.

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

At one time,....even the disciples, themselves, had great difficulty with this issue of exactly 'who' was the Father, for their eyes were yet to be 'opened' by the Master, Himself.

John 14:8-10 (KJV)

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Finally, how much plainer could Jesus be,...when He said the following,....

John 10:30(KJV)

30 I and my Father are one.

'Their' eyes, ( the disciples), were eventually opened as they grew in the knowledge of Him,....and consequently became Apostles, to establish His Church, in Acts, chapter 2. They had, finally, fully realized who 'He' was. He was God manifest in the flesh! ( 1 Timothy 3:16)

1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

I sincerely pray that 'this' helps you make sense of some of the issues you are currently having difficulty with. As a reminder to you, ( and everyone else), it will necessitate you 'earning your wings',....as I've alluded to earlier, in order to 'see', ( understand), this from a 'crystal clear' standpoint that I do, now.


As 'always',.....your loving brother, friend, and servant,.....kreagle

[kreagle]

The 'Grace' of God

Without God's grace, access back to Him would have been totally impossible to attain by mankind. I, prayerfully, hope you will enjoy the following passage of Scripture, along with this short 8:38 minute video/song about His unmerited Grace that has been extended to you, and I.

Titus 2:11-15 (KJV)

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TCsMYGFO8ko

Peace and Love,......your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[kreagle]

Exactly, 'WHO' Built the Boat You are on?

Is it 'built by Man',.....with 'his'....'best intentions for You, and by his design?'

.......OR.......

Is it 'built by God',.....with 'His'....'best intentions for You, and by His Design?'

'Mankind's' version 'always' seems to be more elaborate, structurally sound,...and much more 'seaworthy',......UNTIL.....the 'real storms' come 'our' way, doesn't it?


Points to 'ponder',....my dear friends!


With 'much' love,......your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[GCS1103]

Hi, Kreagle-

Thanks for reminding me about this thread. I plan on visiting now. I do miss our old friends here, who would post such wonderful thoughts.

I thought you might be interested in an email I received the other day. I had posted, some time ago, about a Messianic Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn. He has his congregation here in New Jersey and it has grown very large, due to his incredible ability as a speaker and to pass the word of God. He wrote the book "The Harbinger" which describes, in historical detail, the parallels between ancient Israel and present day United States. It is an incredible book of prophesy, if you have not read it. Jonathan has become well-known and was invited to give the prayer at the Presidential inaugural breakfast earlier this year.

On May 8th, Jonathan was invited to speak on Capital Hill along with Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann and a host of other politicians. He emailed his congregation of an event that happened on May 8th, while he stepped up to give his talk. As he began his sermon, it sounded to him like there was a protester in the crowd yelling out. He realized that the yelling was coming from the sound system and not from any person in the audience. Only he heard this angry voice. He writes in his email that he knew it was his "enemy" and he prayed to God to remove his enemy from the room. The voice stopped and Jonathan went on to give one of his incredible sermons. He was asked to step up later in the evening to address the crowd again.

Just another example of how we need to ask God for protection from the evil that surrounds us in this world.

With love to you, my friend and brother-

Goldie

[kreagle]

Posted by GCS1103 (here)
Hi, Kreagle-

Thanks for reminding me about this thread. I plan on visiting now. I do miss our old friends here, who would post such wonderful thoughts.

I thought you might be interested in an email I received the other day. I had posted, some time ago, about a Messianic Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn. He has his congregation here in New Jersey and it has grown very large, due to his incredible ability as a speaker and to pass the word of God. He wrote the book "The Harbinger" which describes, in historical detail, the parallels between ancient Israel and present day United States. It is an incredible book of prophesy, if you have not read it. Jonathan has become well-known and was invited to give the prayer at the Presidential inaugural breakfast earlier this year.

On May 8th, Jonathan was invited to speak on Capital Hill along with Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann and a host of other politicians. He emailed his congregation of an event that happened on May 8th, while he stepped up to give his talk. As he began his sermon, it sounded to him like there was a protester in the crowd yelling out. He realized that the yelling was coming from the sound system and not from any person in the audience. Only he heard this angry voice. He writes in his email that he knew it was his "enemy" and he prayed to God to remove his enemy from the room. The voice stopped and Jonathan went on to give one of his incredible sermons. He was asked to step up later in the evening to address the crowd again.

Just another example of how we need to ask God for protection from the evil that surrounds us in this world.

With love to you, my friend and brother-

Goldie

Hey Goldie,

It is a very great pleasure to hear from you, sister! I have to admit that I had not heard of Jonathan Cahn, so if you have a link to this particular speech you are referring to, ( or any of his other speeches), I would be interested in watching it. We've covered quite a bit of material since you've last been on, here, so you might want to take a gander at a few of these topics. We can certainly re-visit any of these topics that you might would like to talk about, so don't hesitate to mention anything that might especially catch your attention. Once again, thank you, ( from the bottom of my heart), for reappearing on the thread, sister! I've always greatly valued your input, and especially the sincerity, love, and respect for others, that you so easily display. A real sweetheart, my dear sister!


Forevermore,.....your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[kreagle]

Starry,.....Starry,.....Night!

Psalm 8:3-4 (KJV)

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

The above passage was in reference to the complete awe that David experienced when he looked up into the starry night,....many, many, years ago,.....and was overcome with the greatness of God, leaving him astounded about where mankind fit into the 'grand scheme of things'. The Apostle Paul even made specific reference to this 'same passage' in the Book of Hebrews 2:6, which gives further credence to the overall significance and magnitude of the wondrous works of God that these two great 'men of God' wisely observed.

Upon going out the side door of my home, tonight, this 'view' from above is exactly what I saw, also, ( with the exception of the Big Dipper being more 'tipped' downward by approximately 15 degrees more).

As I, too, stopped and scanned the night skies, taking in the awesome starry night, my mind and heart equally trained itself on this selfsame passage, ( as indicated above).

What an absolutely awesome God we have,....that 'many' fail to recognize, let alone to really get to know Him!


In addition to this,.....try to 'wrap you brain around this astounding Biblical claim!'

Psalm 147:4-5 (KJV)

4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names.

5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

Did you realize that mankind, ( as advanced as we've become), still struggles with an 'accurate' count of the stars,....for our 'best efforts' leaves us no other option but to scientifically relate to our universe as the 'observable universe',....for we can 'only' observe a portion of it, and really don't have an 'exact' idea just how big it actually is!


From Wikipedia,....this is 'our' most up-to-date information concerning the numerical count of 'stars' in our 'observable universe'.

Matter content,....The observable universe contains between 1022 and 1024 stars (between 10 sextillion and 1 septillion stars). To be slightly more precise, according to the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, "[by] a conservative estimate.... the currently observable universe is home to of order 6 x 1022 stars"[1] These stars are organized in more than 100 to 200 billion (up to 1 trillion depending on sources) galaxies, which themselves form groups, clusters, superclusters, sheets, filaments, and walls.

Two approximate calculations give the number of atoms in the observable universe to be close to 1080.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe


Of course, this 'current guesstimate' by mankind is certainly 'fluid', unlike the 'exact'.....star numbers, and their actual 'names',....that the psalmist relates to us, in the above passage, in reference to His infinite understanding of 'all' things!


No wonder the psalmist further stated,.......

Psalm 118:8 (KJV)

8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

The 'ONE' who 'knows',..........vs..........the 'one' who 'guesses'



God bless to 'all',......your brother, friend, and servant,......kreagle

[humanalien]

The above passage was in reference to the complete awe that David experienced when he looked up into the starry night,....many, many, years ago,.....and was overcome with the greatness of God, leaving him astounded about where mankind fit into the 'grand scheme of things'.

It's funny that you chose to post that particular thing because, just
last night, i was thanking God for all the wondrous things that he
created and without him, nothing would exist.

I have a question though, well maybe 2.

Is there any biblical text that describes the war in heaven before God
create earth? I'm confused as to when the earth was actually created.

In genesis 1, it says

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This was the very first thing that God did. He created the heaven and earth.

Is this the same heaven that God resides in now?

Then in Genesis 1:2, it goes on to say

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.

Although the earth was without form and i'm not sure what is meant
by that, to me, it's saying that earth was there already.

Then it goes on to say that the earth was void or empty. Then later,
it says that the spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. Is that
referring to water on the earth?

What i'm getting at here is from what i've read from web sites, There
was a great battle in heaven, where lucifer tried to over-throw God but
that plan failed miserably and God cast lucifer down to earth.

If earth didn't exist before mankind, how could God cast lucifer to earth,
if it hadn't been created yet?

I know that some where, i got my time scales wrong.

That is why i was wondering if there is biblical text that
goes into more detail as to when the war in heaven took
place and what actually happened.

Thank-you

[william r sanford72]

i have a question.i have had dreams.and i got a phone call from a friend about his father who is healthy by all accounts and mentaly sound.he says he was visited by a prohphet named ENOS..who walked with god for 900 years.some of the stuff enos revealed to my friends father was in line with what i had warned my friend about what i seen coming and dont share.but with my loved ones..and this had spooked him.me and his father have never spoken and he is not a bible reader.he and my friend didnt even know enos was in the bible.my friend called to find out what i knew about the name.i have read the bible.a few times.i was raised catholic but iam of no religion and claim no secular faith other than a creator.my friends father wont stop talking about it. he is worried about his dad.could you fill in some gaps on this enos.i also found him in my mormon bible.but have yet to find any referance in my islamic koran?

[kreagle]

Posted by william r sanford72 (here)
i have a question.i have had dreams.and i got a phone call from a friend about his father who is healthy by all accounts and mentaly sound.he says he was visited by a prohphet named ENOS..who walked with god for 900 years.some of the stuff enos revealed to my friends father was in line with what i had warned my friend about what i seen coming and dont share.but with my loved ones..and this had spooked him.me and his father have never spoken and he is not a bible reader.he and my friend didnt even know enos was in the bible.my friend called to find out what i knew about the name.i have read the bible.a few times.i was raised catholic but iam of no religion and claim no secular faith other than a creator.my friends father wont stop talking about it. he is worried about his dad.could you fill in some gaps on this enos.i also found him in my mormon bible.but have yet to find any referance in my islamic koran?

william r sanford72,

There are 8 references to 'Enos', ( 'Enosh' in 1 Chronicles 1:1), in the KJV Bible. They are as follows:

Genesis 4:26 (KJV)

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.


Genesis 5:6 (KJV)

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:


Genesis 5:7 (KJV)

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:


Genesis 5:9 (KJV)

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:


Genesis 5:10(KJV)

10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:


Genesis 5:11(KJV)

11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.


1 Chronicles 1:1 (KJV)

1 Adam, Sheth, Enosh,


Luke 3:38 (KJV)

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

As far as this 'encounter' is concerned with your friend's father, I personally would proceed with caution, ( actually 'stay away from'),.... for I don't know of any circumstances where God 'sanctioned' someone who was 'deceased' to come back, ( or reappear), for the purposes of revelations/divination's, etc. There is the account where Samuel, the Prophet, was summoned up, ( through 'witchcraft'), at the behest of Saul, and for the express reason to give him, ( Saul), advice on how to fight, ( and conquer), the Philistines. ( 1 Samuel 28: 7-25)

I specifically used the word, 'sanctioned', above for God certainly did NOT put His approval, ( or give His permission), for this summoning of Samuel from the grave. One needs to fully understand that witchcraft, ( and satanic rituals), definitely has the ability to venture into these specific areas for 'divination' purposes, but to do so is in complete violation to God's Word and will always carry 'Divine consequences' for any such intrusion. Furthermore, those who 'still' throw 'caution to the wind', ( by ignoring these 'consequences'), in an effort to gain the 'insight knowledge/results' they are trying to achieve through 'divination' by witchcraft/satanic means will often find themselves being fed with complete 'falsehoods', for these types of 'spirits' are always 'lying spirits' by design. Here we find that the 'recipient',.......'gets what he/she deserves', for they have employed 'non-sanctioned' methods in an effort to 'divine' answers,....so consequently they have been fed 'falsehoods',......answers that prove to be incorrect in the long run.


I hope this proves to be beneficial to you!


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[kreagle]

humanalien,


Hey brother, let's see what we can do to help you out, friend.

Posted by humanalien (here)
Is there any biblical text that describes the war in heaven before God
create earth?

Read the 'entire' chapter of Revelation Twelve. You'll notice that I highlighted the term 'before', ( in red), for you. This is the 'source' of your confusion, brother, for the Bible does not specify that this war between Lucifer and the Lord took place 'before' the world was created. It would have taken place 'during' the 'Creation Week',...'after' the earth was formed, my dear friend.

Perhaps 'this' revelation should give us all an even 'greater appreciation' for what our precious Lord did for us in the 'Creation Week',....for not 'only' did He create 'everything' then,....but He also had to 'fight a demonic war' , ( and 'win', of course!),....at the 'same' time!

Posted by humanalien (here)
In genesis 1, it says


In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This was the very first thing that God did. He created the heaven and earth.

Is this the same heaven that God resides in now?

The 'heaven' His Word is referring to, here, is the 'sky',.....or the atmosphere, ( 'space', itself). In God's 'omnipresence' He actually dwells 'everywhere', at once, but in 'this case' the word 'heaven' simply denotes where He was putting a division between the 'earth' masses/waters and 'space', as we know it. As I see it, you are probably also, somewhat, confused over the term 'earth', used here. You see, I can go outside in my garden and grab a handful of 'earth',....but that doesn't mean I have the entire 'world in my hands',....just a simple hand full of 'dirt', or 'earth'.

On 'day number one,....and....day number two',......the 'ingredients' were present, water and earth, or dirt ( created by God), but they still were not 'formed', ( or separated), into their respective places, until 'day number three.'

Posted by humanalien (here)
Then in Genesis 1:2, it goes on to say


And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters.
Although the earth was without form and i'm not sure what is meant
by that, to me, it's saying that earth was there already.

Then it goes on to say that the earth was void or empty. Then later,
it says that the spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. Is that
referring to water on the earth?

Remember, brother,....at this point we are still in the 'first day' of creation, and the 'waters' His Word is referring to, here, have yet to be divided, as He consequently would 'begin the process' on the 'second day'. Water, itself, was present, but had yet to be divided,....( ie. 'waters above the 'firmament',.....and.....'waters below the 'firmament'), which He did on the second day. On the 'third day' we actually see where the 'waters', ( and 'land'), were divided and placed into their 'proper place', ( as we know it today), into....'waters in the atmosphere',.......and........'waters in the oceans, seas, rivers, lakes, etc.'

I trust this will 'help' you sort things out!

Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[humanalien]

Just commenting about the placement of where the
story of the battle in heaven is, in the bible.

I would think that - that would have been placed in Genesis,
somewhere right after earth was formed. At least it would be
in the right timeline.

Any idea on who the woman is that satan/dragon persecute, after
he was cast to earth and who was the man child that she brought
forth?

This war in heaven, had to have happened, way after the earth was
created. Way after mankind was created because in Rev 12:17, it says:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Remnant of her seed, would indicate that mankind was already populating
on earth, as the event happened.

Also take notice of this line from the same verse: have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
When exactly did all of this happen? Jesus wasn't even talked about until his
birth of earth, so this war could have happened, during jesus time on earth or
after he returned to heaven.

I'm sorry kreagle. Although i believe in God, the bible is in my opinion, an
untrust-worthy source of information.

There are just way to many flaws in the bible for all of it to be true
and it certainly is not in chronological order. It's time frames are spread
every where throughout the bible.

The next question would be, is lucifer/satan/dragon, all the same entity?
If not, where did satan come from, all of a sudden, that he wage war in
heaven against God.

Why would God cast satan to earth, amongst his earthly children, knowing
that satan is a lier and a killer?

That would be like me casting a confirmed killer, inside a house full of
women and children and expecting everything to be just peachy.

I tell you kreagle, non of this makes any sense at all. Not one bit.

I'm expecting flowers to pop up in the bible but all i get are thorns
and weeds.

I'm really trying to understand this kreagle but God is not leading
me in that direction. If God doesn't lead me there, i can assume the
bible is full of lies and God doesn't want me to learn that stuff.

The only reason why i believe in God is because of an inner knowing
and not anything i learned in the bible, except for maybe as a kid.
That's when i first learned of God.

Please don't be upset with me. I know you must be getting frustrated
with me because of all the questions but it's comes from me really wanting
to learn about biblical events.

Like i said though, God is not and will not, lead me in that direction and
i have to wonder why.

Thank-you kreagle for all your help and understanding. I do, so much
appreciate what you have been trying to teach me.

[kreagle]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I'm sorry kreagle. Although i believe in God, the bible is in my opinion, an
untrust-worthy source of information.

There are just way to many flaws in the bible for all of it to be true
and it certainly is not in chronological order. It's time frames are spread
every where throughout the bible.

humanalien,

You are 'totally' missing the point, my dear friend. To continue to proceed down the 'pathway of enlightenment' using the method you are currently employing is equivalent to 'taking one step forward,....then taking two steps backwards'. You're getting 'further' from the overall Truth, my dear friend,...as you keep making 'damaging statements' regarding His Word. Just because you don't understand the layout of His Word doesn't mean you should give up on the Bible every time something doesn't resonate with your 'human reasoning'. Herein lies the real problem, for without the 'infilling of God's Spirit', ( the Holy Ghost), you're going to,.... continually,.... be left floundering, and grasping, for these precious 'nuggets of Truth' that are, indeed, contained within the glorious Word of God, the Bible. You cannot understand, ( correctly), the 'Word of the Spirit',....without the actual 'Spirit' dwelling inside of you, brother! It's an absolute impossibility. Many today are currently endeavoring to do this,.....but they will never succeed, as the Scriptures, so accurately, point out!

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
King James Version (KJV)

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I am more than happy to answer your many questions, humanalien,.... but I fully understand that in order for you to 'properly' digest what you are reading, here, ( or anywhere else), it's going to necessitate that you should be filled with His Spirit so that you CAN properly sort out what His Spirit is endeavoring to teach you. I know what I am talking about, here, brother, and I sincerely hope you can grasp this!


When I, kreagle, look back on my 'past',...some 32 years ago, at the age of 26,....I, personally, did not 'require' for God to reveal to me 'exactly how He did what He did',....BEFORE....I took the actual step of faith and started believing, ( and accepting), His Word, and ultimately Him! Instead of me attempting to 'scrutinize His Word',......I instead decided it was best for me to 'scrutinize myself,....FIRST,.....and get ME under control, so that I could proceed to the 'next step' of learning all about Him and His glorious Word!

You see, humanalien,....I KNEW I was a sinner,...pure, plain, and simple. No one had to 'draw me a diagram' in order for me to figure this out. I KNEW that I was the problem,.....that I needed to address 'MY ISSUE',.....FIRST,.....then everything else would begin to fall into place for me in my quest for His Truth! Complete 'repentance' was my only solution, to which I was only happy, ( and eager), to comply with. Once I had surrendered my 'all' to Him, in repentance, it was just a simple matter of following the 'rest of His Gospel Message' that the Apostle Peter preached, as I have alluded to, over and over again, in my signature, ( Acts 2:38). I followed up 'repentance' with water baptism in the 'name' of Jesus Christ,....and then I subsequently was filled with His Spirit, the Holy Ghost,....23 days later on Feb. 22, 1981, and began to speak in other tongues as His Spirit was fully signifying that He, indeed, was residing within me.

I pray that you are getting the point, now, my dear, dear friend. When we, initially, come to God,.....it's not our responsibility, ( nor right), to place Him under the microscope for our inspection to see, whether or not, if He is fully qualified to be our Lord and God. If we approach our Christian experience in the 'right way' we FIRST place 'ourselves' under the Divine microscope,....and deal with 'ourselves' FIRST. It's US that needs changing,....NOT HIM,....nor His Word!


Remember what I said about 'rays of revelation',....brother?


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[GCS1103]

Hi, Kreagle-

I have a good feeling, when I come here, to this thread. I have personally experienced being filled with the Holy Spirit during the time when my mother was dying of cancer. It was a literal sensation of being filled with love and peace that I knew was from God. It's hard to describe it in words, but I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say. I have never doubted, from that day, that God is there for us. There have been several times, since then, when I have seen the miracle of God through prayer.

I have become very aware of the changes taking place in people and the world around us. I believe in my heart that the "ruler of this world" is moving us swiftly towards a showdown with God. Several years ago I had a dream that I rememberd in detail when I woke up. It was the war between God and Satan and I saw His warriors on horses. I was on one of those horses. I remembered the feeling of love that I had towards the horse I was on and I wondered if the horse was actually an angel. I've told that story to very few people, but to this day I remember the dream in detail. (By the way, I have never taken drugs and I don't drink)

Love, Goldie