LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[music]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by music (here)
Jim has many voices here InCiDeR, in fact this has all the hallmarks of a well-orchestrated campaign, such as a, oh, I don't know, a psy-op, or perhaps an info-mercial. There is no doubt that there is an agenda here, all the mods are on board for example, and there are many, many things of concern or clues for those who still have eyes to see.

But of course, this is just my opinion, just as Dane Tops' (not his real name) opinion is just his. This train is not for me, obviously, but for those happy to hop on board, y'all enjoy the ride.

Padme, being an info-mercial, your pertinent questions will never get answered. The only questions answered in an info-mercial are the ones posed by the stooges. Like an info-mercial too, we also have here the prompters - "tell us more Jim" "this information came at exactly the right time Jim" "great re-activation Jim" blah blah blah.

Have you been reading my mind, music?

For what it´s worth, I´m sensing very manipulative and insidious energies around here lately...Call it what you want; All I know is that I don´t like it.

Big seductive claims, backed up by nothing but empty words in a computer screen, accompanied by strange complacent and docile questions, followed by obvious answers as predictable as cheap TV commercial scripts.

I don´t know...I just have a strong sense that there really is an agenda around here, and I´m not comfortable with it.

Honestly, it´s rare to see so many intelligent people bewitched by such hollow argumentation and impressively arrogant remarks. Not a good sign, if you ask me.

Watch your steps, all of you.

Raf.

You and I often approach the same thing from different directions, and often arrive at the same conclusion. Not always though

I for one value you razor sharp mind and your good heart, and always pay attention to your posts, as do many. Thank you for the back up, it's good to know that I'm not paranoid. Or not alone in my paranoia at the very least :D Bless you.

Interesting to see what spin the damage control will have. So far it has been fairly mediocre in my opinion, and painfully transparent.

[Padmé]

I found this statement very telling...

Re: THE MIRACLE OF L RON HUBBARD'S TECHNOLOGY the end phenomenon that occurred

Posted by jiminii
in my case the class 12 auditor has to address spirit directly ... when another class 8 auditor tried to run an earlier similar it was blank .. I had to put a nudge on a flow in my head to get the meter to tun the incident .. but this can just be popping up some incident the GE has because I have cogged much later that I have no track ...that I came from the future and that I was created out of theta just like inelia ... that is what made me jump on the computer and find inelia 5 minutes into the internet after I cogged I was metteyya ..I could not believe I could find another person like me... move your hand near someone's head and her toothache disappears ... be chatting to someone on the internet an heal her from 12000 miles away ... I still surprise myself when something like this happens.

Posted by Padme
So have you been in contact with Inelia? Did you find Avalon while searching for her on the internet? Was you previously aware of Inelia before discovering that you had similar abilities?

Posted by jiminii
I some how got in contact with Bill Ryan on an email when he read a post of mine I think and contacted me and wanted me to help him find inelia ..using my OT abilities .. because they had an event in south america and something happened and she left .. and he could not find her ... but I did not get in contact with inelia herself

jim

I had been wondering how somebody with such immense claims found his voice so suddenly on Avalon...

...and also why even though Jim states time and time again in his posts, that he is here to tell the story of Metteyya from the viewpoint of Jim... and having agreed with myself that this thread should be moved to the channelled and other controversial material category, that the mods decided that it was best kept where it was...

Could this be because that category comes with the this statement written boldly above it...

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and accepts no responsibility for psychological, spiritual or metaphysical effects
either negative or positive to individuals who read these threads.
User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
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[Sidney]

Hey Jim, If you have not read this testimony from Monica Pignotti.....http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/pignotti/
You need to. Because I read it today, and I have to say it left a bad taste in my mouth. And I am a newbie to all this scientology stuff but I do understand that much of it being unchartered territory for myself (an others probably) makes me wary of your claims. I don't know what to say at this point except that making claims that you are the second coming of matteya sorry if I spelled that wrong, is really huge, and I think in order for ppl to take you seriously, you are going to have to shed some proof. Anyone can come on the internet and say they made it rain, or not rain. ANYBODY...Are you aware of the "Charles Fiasco" that happened here on avalon. Came on here and played the divide and conquer game, and did some unrepairable damage. Things like that change a persons trust (bull****) meter. Can you come up with something that can prove that what you say is true??? I am sure that true "SOURCE" won't judge you , since we are enlightened beings here with justifiable questions about your authenticity. This is not a personal attack on your character, but a humble plea, with all due respect from all of us truthseekers here, I just feel that there needs to be something more than what you have shared that can make your story believable.

[jiminii]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I do not really see the difference between your stories. Please advise!

Some people get seriously messed up by their experience with the 'Church'.

That leaves them -- justifiably! -- bitter, resentful, critical and hostile.

Oh, I apologize Bill, I was not aware that you were another viewpoint of Jim.
Because I thought I directed that question to Jim!?

...and let me guess, your statement necessarily has to be true for her and all others that have a different view on Hubbards teachings? But not for anyone that find Hubbards teachings to be spot on, they are all intergrated, solid, non critical, non hostile etc etc...

//

Posted by jiminii (here)
(…)NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ... but I guess I could have gotten rid of the infiltration too ... but this body didn't know at the time until way later ... but I know I have the power to handle just about anything ... so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing (…)

Post #186

No hostility here?! I guess no one working for Monsanto or the sea org is a decent person with a family? Not that it matters whether they are decent or not in my opinion, because I personally don't believe in this kind of solution.

//

Therefore we should not have a balanced discussion, just present one side of the story yes?

The hard part is to keep an open mind even after you found what you believe in, and dare to challenge it.

Personally I found many things in the core of Hubbards teachings very interesting and worthwhile testing, as I do with many other religious, spiritual, alternative and scientific teachings. I find threads like "Horus-Ra", "EGO-what is it", "Holographic universe" "The Matrix Deciphered" , "The Technological Revolution: Artificial Intelligence and the Invisible Plague" among the best threads in Avalon.

And I do think that implants, reactive mind and alien control are very important to consider and discuss in a balanced manner. Because I do like to keep an open mind even after I found what my current belive system is...

By the way. I had a friend of a friend test an E-meter on me. No matter what question he throw at me, it kept a "floating needle". He thought it was broken, so he brought out his reserve. Same result. Where does that leave me? ...

he is going by meter reads .... and they are not there ... Pandeterminism can get meter reads at will ... so I tested it .. they were trying to find if there was someone in the org that was a suppressive person that might be causing a lot of trouble .. so we all had to do a meter check ... I went in there and she was trying to adjust the meter and she couldn't adjust the meter ... so I said 'is something wrong with the meter?
she said, "yes what are you doing?"
I said, "I am running flows through my head."
she said, "stop it"
I said, "ok"
I said, "I have a floating needle"
she looked at me and said in surprise, "YOU KNOW."
I said, "yes I know."

this really shook her up ... she avoided me the entire time she was there ,. she was afraid I could read her mind.

the first time i came into scientology at one of their conventions and I had just read the O8 book abourt .. Pan determinism can get meter read at will

so they were demonstating the meter ... they would pinch your arm and then ask you to recall the pinch and show you the meter will move to the left when you look at the picture of the pinched arm
before she could even ask the question I wanted to know if I could do Pan determinism make the meter move at will

as soon as she got the meter adjusted to match my hands to get a balanced fall with 'squeeze the cans lightly"
I put out the intention to drop the meter
a flow of energy went through my head ... and the meter slammed hard to the left ...,
this surprised me because I thought a fall would go to the right
but they have this meter setup to fall to the left
she said, "what did you do?"
I said, "I ran a flow through my head."
she took her awhile to adjust the meter
as soon as she was ready again I did the intention again and the meter slammed hard to the left
an energy flow when up my back
she said, "what did you do this time."
I said, "i ran a flow up my back."
she quickly pull the meter away from me and said, "no self auditing"
this was first time I did anything with the meter
if you have a continuous floating needle seems to indicate to me you must be one of these crystal or rainbow children with no past experience ,,, I don't know ,,, I would think that at least you might be able to read some of the GE's recordings ,,s,, but it looks like the crystal or rainbow in your friend of a friend is in charge ,,, this is not an evaluation ,.,, we are not suppose to evaluate for others ,, they are suppose to get their own cognitions by themselves ,,, I am only saying that for myself .. it looks like this ,,, but only your friend of a friend know the answer ,, all answer to anyone's case in in the person themselves ,, we only use auditing to try to get the person to see by themselves their own answers

hope this helps

jim

[Hervé]

In order for the e-meter to work as intended, the individual as to be "In session," that is, "interested in own case and willing to
talk to the auditor." When one is trying to make a meter read a certain way, then that "one" is certainly not "in session"....

[Tangri]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I do not really see the difference between your stories. Please advise!

Some people get seriously messed up by their experience with the 'Church'.

That leaves them -- justifiably! -- bitter, resentful, critical and hostile.

Hostile is a harsh word for victims of the torture, isn't it?

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In order for the e-meter to work as intended, the individual as to be "In session," that is, "interested in own case and willing to
talk to the auditor." When one is trying to make a meter read a certain way, then that "one" is certainly not "in session"....

That wasn't the case though, by that time several years ago I didn't know anything (or very little) about E-meter or Hubbard. So I was most definately interested in my case and willing to talk to the auditor.

[Hervé]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In order for the e-meter to work as intended, the individual as to be "In session," that is, "interested in own case and willing to
talk to the auditor." When one is trying to make a meter read a certain way, then that "one" is certainly not "in session"....

That wasn't the case though, by that time several years ago I didn't know anything (or very little) about E-meter or Hubbard. So I was most definately interested in my case and willing to talk to the auditor.

Understood,

My comment was more aimed at explaining jim or Nanoo what it might have been.

In your case, I don't know, and only that friend of friend could answer your question.

However, I am curious about something with that e-meter experience and if I may ask you these questions:

Were you upset about something at that time? Or "high" on something?

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In order for the e-meter to work as intended, the individual as to be "In session," that is, "interested in own case and willing to
talk to the auditor." When one is trying to make a meter read a certain way, then that "one" is certainly not "in session"....

That wasn't the case though, by that time several years ago I didn't know anything (or very little) about E-meter or Hubbard. So I was most definately interested in my case and willing to talk to the auditor.

Understood,

My comment was more aimed at explaining jim or Nanoo what it might have been.

In your case, I don't know, and only that friend of friend could answer your question.

However, I am curious about something with that e-meter experience and if I may ask you these questions:

Were you upset about something at that time? Or "high" on something?

This was long time ago, I can't exactly remember my state of mind. I am sure I was not high on something though. If I still were in contact with my friend, I could ask him if he recalled anything special. Just out of curiosity I will check if I can find him... (and even better if he still have contact with his friend)

[Tangri]

InCider you said

"I can't exactly remember my state of mind."
You do not need to remember detail but can you identify your feeling on effects of e-meter was positive or negative?

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Tangri (here)
InCider you said

"I can't exactly remember my state of mind."
You do not need to remember detail but can you identify your feeling on effects of e-meter was positive or negative?

They only "feeling" I remember was curiosity... curiosity in my life is mostly tied to positive feelings. So positive is my best guess.

EDIT:
Honestly, I haven't paid this event any attention during the years, because it didn't show anything... probably why I do not recall the details of my state of mind (usually I have pretty good memory, at least I believe so!)

[Hervé]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[...]

They only "feeling" I remember was curiosity... curiosity in my life is mostly tied to positive feelings. So positive is my best guess.

Unless, at that time, you had a break up or falling out with someone or lost something, then it seems you were a curious and happy camper enough to not be "restimulated' or bothered by your friend's friend questions

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

By the way. I had a friend of a friend test an E-meter on me. No matter what question he throw at me, it kept a "floating needle". He thought it was broken, so he brought out his reserve. Same result. Where does that leave me? ...

Clearly in very good shape at the time!

Posted by music (here)
Oh, I apologize Bill, I was not aware that you were another viewpoint of Jim.
Because I thought I directed that question to Jim!?

Apologies -- was using the opportunity to clarify something, hoping that it might help a little.

Note that it's a little hard for myself or the other mods to know quite how to handle all this. We've been debating it, and I'd be happy to copy some of what I wrote to the other mods yesterday and the day before on our rolling Skype chat. Members might find it interesting (especially those who have it all 100% wrong about our intentions!).

To some degree, we are sitting back with quite some interest, a degree of irritation at the way some members have responded (unfairly in my personal opinion) to Jim's honest-go-god sharing of his personal experiences, and wondering how much we should get involved.

In a comment I made re Jim's application a couple of weeks ago (in the mods' private section, where we discuss forum issues, including all applications) -- I wrote the following. (And this is exactly what I wrote, with nothing added or omitted):

Hi, All --

I remember the e-mail exchange with this guy. He impressed me at the time, and I was left with the distinct feeling that there's something pretty important that he knows and understands. I would welcome him on the forum, although he may possibly need some guidance in sharing information in terms which others would comprehend.

Here's what I wish:

• That Jim would slow down a little, and allow what he's saying to be fully digested and understood by anyone interested before he piles on further information. Sometimes, less is more, and it's best to go slowly. I've not even read all Jim's posts myself: I've not had time, and have not been in a place (for long enough) when there's a fast connection, with Avalon pages sometimes being a little slow to load.
• That Jim would take on the viewpoint of his readers here and (a) not use jargon, (b) be aware that some people will be simply bewildered by his references, which they will not understand, and (c) realize that some of his posts are a little hard to read (and need a little thoughtful editing to optimize clarity).
• That Jim -- although he's been trying hard -- might take more time to methodically answer questions before adding more posts on new topics.

Having said that, I do very much appreciate Jim's contributions -- those that I've read. It's off-the-wall stuff, but as J.B.S. Haldane famously quoted: "The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we CAN suppose."

Posted by music (here)
Jim has many voices here InCiDeR, in fact this has all the hallmarks of a well-orchestrated campaign, such as a, oh, I don't know, a psy-op, or perhaps an info-mercial.

Shame on you, music.

• Here's a question for you. Why are you so angry?

And a question for everyone. I know a great deal about Hubbard's techniques, and know how they work. I have had (highly beneficial) personal experience for over 25 years. I know many of the key players in the 'Free Zone' (outside of the 'Church', which I have never been part of). I knew Bill Robertson ('CBR') personally. I am on the Church of Scientology published Enemies List. I received a threatening letter from the 'Church' after my public statement about them in a video interview, basically saying they were [now] a mind control operation. And much more.

• Would it be helpful if I started my own question-and-answer thread on the subject?

Longstanding members will know that I've rarely talked about any of this publicly. It's quite an interesting story.

I might be able to offer clarity, and accuracy, and balance here, combined with useful information. Hubbard's techniques are just a set of powerful tools -- and there are many such sets of tools. These include, but are not limited to, Meditation, Yoga, and all kinds of Buddhist and [ethical] shamanic practice.

Some people are in such good shape that they don't really need any of these supportive tools. But some others benefit greatly. The purpose of the tools is to provide a support system for each of us -- if needed and wanted -- for the job we all have to do here on Planet Earth. This is what it's all about, and is why this may be part of the large database of information, tools and resources that is shared on Avalon.

[eaglespirit]

All I can add is simply treat Jim like any other forum member sharing personal information to help the overall good we can do together...and I am feeling today that this just now may be occurring, Thank You!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Note that it's a little hard for myself or the other mods to know quite how to handle all this. We've been debating it, and I'd be happy to copy some of what I wrote to the other mods yesterday and the day before on our rolling Skype chat. Members might find it interesting (especially those who have it all 100% wrong about our intentions!).

Here's the Skype chat -- my own contributions only. I hope this may lay to rest any accusations of conspiracy! I was text-Skyping with Karelia and Christine. There are two installments (yesterday and the day before) -- compiled here and wrapped into one.

Hi, All: I'm wondering how best to add some order to the merry chaos of all jiminii's contributions. He seems to have some significant intuitive abilities, and is definitely trying hard to contribute and be helpful. But he's not had very much experience at communicating all this.

My position is that I understand this stuff very well, have had thousands of hours of auditing, know many of the key players personally (since 1988), and was never in the Church of Scientology. I understand how it all works, understand the dramas, understand the limitations -- and understand the conflicts, upsets and misunderstandings. Basically, auditing is a very valuable tool -- in skilled and ethical hands! I know how to use it, and have indeed seen it work miracles.

How should I best assist here? I do NOT want this to be all about me, or to derail the core work that Avalon is doing by putting more attention on this. But there's probably a way to handle this wisely, and I'd love to know what it is.

One idea would be to open up my own Q and A thread about the subject. I could answer questions quite well (both historical and 'technical'). Amzer Zo is also a reliable source of clear info. I would not want to upset Jim by usurping 'his' topic. But I would like to gently prise the mike from him so that I can add some clarity. All suggestions welcome.

I could offer assistance by stating that Jim is really trying hard to help, but does not know the forum well, or its structure, or its members, and therefore is at a natural disadvantage.

And -- one or two have asked for reliable sources of books and materials. I have everything that Hubbard ever said and wrote in electronic form -- 6 Gb of it. (Estimated 12 million words, so I've been told, and that doesn't even include the transcripts of over 5,000 lectures he gave.) There's quite a lot of redundancy (duplication and overlap), but some of it is extraordinarily valuable and really does offer some keys to the jail we're all in. Used well, one can get out -- at least, quite a long way.

I'm as sure as I can be that Jim joined Avalon on a 'mission' of some kind. My guess -- 100% unconfirmed! -- is that he got the 'message' (internally) that he should join and post. So he considers he has a job to do -- for some reason.

I've still not read everything myself that he's written, but he seems to drop intriguing hints about his mission on Earth that may well have a large chunk of reality to it.

(JBS Haldane -- "The Universe is not only queerer than we suppose., but queerer than we CAN suppose.")

As far as I can gather and perceive, there are MANY like him (and Inelia -- I get e-mails from them all the time) -- and very few go public in any way. They barely know how to conduct themselves as humans. <---- (not really a joke)

I know such a person personally. Anther friend of this person calls them a 'savant'. It's a good term to use.

This is someone who is driven, dedicated, has all kinds of abilities, has helped thousands of people, and can NOT relate well to other humans in person in any way.

They're either highly regarded and appreciated, or dismissed as a goofball -- rarely anything other than those two extremes.

What excites me about Jim’s thread (and others) is that we are on the verge of taking our planet back. There are tools. His certainty is to be admired.

This is what CBR always said. There's a wonderful presentation he gave back in 1986. He said: the controllers have billions of dollars, and laws, and armies, and high technology, and control the media. But we have spiritual ability, which is senior to all that -- and we can take the planet back if we use our ability well.

It's really about the contest of Power (real power, that is) -- vs Force. That's what it's all about, in one sentence.

(Power = Gandhi, Mandela, MLK, et al.)

All the very greatest revolutionaries have recognized this.

Jeshua, as well -- 2000 years ago. He set the bar for the rest of us.

[Sidney]

I guess I assumed that in order to be audited you had to either be in/with the church or the auditor does, or both. So are there auditors that have not been part of the church.? Because, well I am approaching this with an open mind, because the information that Jimini brings forward, makes sense. All of it.
After reading the accounts of Pigmotti, it is apparent that LRH was sick. And that very fact is what makes this difficult to digest. However, Jimini is NOT LRH, and i get he is not the church either, that this is all about the tech and how to use it to our advantage.

[seko]

I would like to read the material that you have Bill about L. Ron Hubbard, please do share with us.

Question and answer thread will help a lot, so we don't have to derail this or other threads.

[jiminii]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Note that it's a little hard for myself or the other mods to know quite how to handle all this. We've been debating it, and I'd be happy to copy some of what I wrote to the other mods yesterday and the day before on our rolling Skype chat. Members might find it interesting (especially those who have it all 100% wrong about our intentions!).

Here's the Skype chat -- my own contributions only. I hope this may lay to rest any accusations of conspiracy! I was text-Skyping with Karelia and Christine. There are two installments (yesterday and the day before) -- compiled here and wrapped into one.

Hi, All: I'm wondering how best to add some order to the merry chaos of all jiminii's contributions. He seems to have some significant intuitive abilities, and is definitely trying hard to contribute and be helpful. But he's not had very much experience at communicating all this.

My position is that I understand this stuff very well, have had thousands of hours of auditing, know many of the key players personally (since 1988), and was never in the Church of Scientology. I understand how it all works, understand the dramas, understand the limitations -- and understand the conflicts, upsets and misunderstandings. Basically, auditing is a very valuable tool -- in skilled and ethical hands! I know how to use it, and have indeed seen it work miracles.

How should I best assist here? I do NOT want this to be all about me, or to derail the core work that Avalon is doing by putting more attention on this. But there's probably a way to handle this wisely, and I'd love to know what it is.

One idea would be to open up my own Q and A thread about the subject. I could answer questions quite well (both historical and 'technical'). Amzer Zo is also a reliable source of clear info. I would not want to upset Jim by usurping 'his' topic. But I would like to gently prise the mike from him so that I can add some clarity. All suggestions welcome.

I could offer assistance by stating that Jim is really trying hard to help, but does not know the forum well, or its structure, or its members, and therefore is at a natural disadvantage.

And -- one or two have asked for reliable sources of books and materials. I have everything that Hubbard ever said and wrote in electronic form -- 6 Gb of it. (Estimated 12 million words, so I've been told, and that doesn't even include the transcripts of over 5,000 lectures he gave.) There's quite a lot of redundancy (duplication and overlap), but some of it is extraordinarily valuable and really does offer some keys to the jail we're all in. Used well, one can get out -- at least, quite a long way.

I'm as sure as I can be that Jim joined Avalon on a 'mission' of some kind. My guess -- 100% unconfirmed! -- is that he got the 'message' (internally) that he should join and post. So he considers he has a job to do -- for some reason.

I've still not read everything myself that he's written, but he seems to drop intriguing hints about his mission on Earth that may well have a large chunk of reality to it.

(JBS Haldane -- "The Universe is not only queerer than we suppose., but queerer than we CAN suppose.")

As far as I can gather and perceive, there are MANY like him (and Inelia -- I get e-mails from them all the time) -- and very few go public in any way. They barely know how to conduct themselves as humans. <---- (not really a joke)

I know such a person personally. Anther friend of this person calls them a 'savant'. It's a good term to use.

This is someone who is driven, dedicated, has all kinds of abilities, has helped thousands of people, and can NOT relate well to other humans in person in any way.

They're either highly regarded and appreciated, or dismissed as a goofball -- rarely anything other than those two extremes.

What excites me about Jim’s thread (and others) is that we are on the verge of taking our planet back. There are tools. His certainty is to be admired.

This is what CBR always said. There's a wonderful presentation he gave back in 1986. He said: the controllers have billions of dollars, and laws, and armies, and high technology, and control the media. But we have spiritual ability, which is senior to all that -- and we can take the planet back if we use our ability well.

It's really about the contest of Power (real power, that is) -- vs Force. That's what it's all about, in one sentence.

(Power = Gandhi, Mandela, MLK, et al.)

All the very greatest revolutionaries have recognized this.

Jeshua, as well -- 2000 years ago. He set the bar for the rest of us.

bill it is totally ok if you take the thread and do what you know and even let others share it
I didn't come to the planet to deliver scientology ...
I came here to deliver the upper levels ,,. I am Sure captain bill was not given them
not with the church taken over .. no way ...

on those tapes he was so afraid there was another LRH on the planet that will come up with scientology before him.

then he said 'yes there is but not on this planet"

it came up in session and my response was "yes there is another LRH but I didn't come here to deliver scientology ,.. I came here to deliver the upper levels"
with these upper levels we could take the planet ....
but somehow FSO knew ... I know this ... everywhere I was going they wanted my power but they didn't want me woken up so I left each time
I was put immediately on the solo course in austrailia
and after taken off for more weird reasons
my intention always happens ,.. I didn't want to be there .
they call me in the ethics room because they want to off load me ..with this ,,,, I am routing out of scientology because I have a hearing problem
and the ethics officer wanted me to sign it
I said what other choice do I have
he said I could do a committee of evidence
and I said "what will be the result?"
he said, "the same .. you will be out"
they wanted me back to USA to stop the 50 billion dollar law suits on the church ...
I stayed in Hong kong .. with this intention ... I will walk into china and find out how to live there by myself with no money ,.. but I waited .... a day and it came "everything is ok" in my head
got back to USA and a supreme court judge put a stay on the court case and it was stopped until further notice

basically I need these commands run on as many as might have other bodies ,, I have to stay in asia
but if I can get someone to do this there and get others in contact with their other bodies ,,, we will be able to open up enough communication to the other side we can get some stuff done
I can ask cathy .. she is in LA .. she knows me and she also knows and communicates with her other bodies on base 2
I think she would love to work with you
she got trapped by the IRS because they put a half million dollar lien on her cancer curing clinic where she was taking cured patients to a doctor to prove it can be cured and she has trouble getting jobs because the IRS will take all of her wages

jim

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Wantsthetruth74 (here)
I guess I assumed that in order to be audited you had to either be in/with the church or the auditor does, or both. So are there auditors that have not been part of the church.? Because, well I am approaching this with an open mind, because the information that Jimini brings forward, makes sense. All of it.

http://ronsorg.com/english/linksenglish.htm

And in the UK -->

http://rons-org-bristol.co.uk

Ron's Org UK is run by Clive Nicol, who I know personally and can recommend.

There are also literally dozens of Ron's Orgs in Russia, one in the US, and one in South Africa. A number of others in Europe exist, but are not listed. None of these organizations are in any way connected with the Church of Scientology.

[Christine]

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
All I can add is simply treat Jim like any other forum member sharing personal information to help the overall good we can do together...and I am feeling today that this just now may be occurring, Thank You!

Thank you eaglespirit,

These are my sentiments also. To find someone who gives voice to what can clearly be taken as bizarre and arrogant claims with such candor is unusual. His experiences, perceptions and conclusions are his, as mine are mine.

The Avalon forum as a collective has a voice, may our voice continue to be one of acceptance and graciousness for ourselves and others. If I find myself having a strong reaction to what another member is saying my first choice may be to find out the where and why in myself and to analyze what I am being moved to say. On a highly charges subject such as Scientology I take my own advice to self and walk softly.

I DO NOT know the truth about who Hubbard was and what extreme negative forces were used to stop him, again I can only fall back on my own discernment and knowing... and I do claim that right as it is mine, the only little piece of real estate I have in my power.

Thank you!