LRH (L. Ron Hubbard)

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by music (here)

Bill Ryan: Why are you so angry?

Not angry Bill, I think it reasonable to become concerned when people start talking about harnessing the power of the Avalon community to "make people ill" and "take down the cabal by making them ill". This is alarming stuff, and not terribly enlightened in my book.

I'd fully agree with that. Harming evil-doers only leads to more karma (to use the well-understood term).

But is that what Jim actually said? Please quote. Thanks. (Honest question. I've not had time to read every word he's written.)

Posted by music (here)
Concern is also evident, not just my own, over the whole 30% elite/70% minions thing, and that when asked to elaborate the reply is that everyone here is in the 30% (could this be ensnarement by ego-feeding as we often see?). And what of the 70% of filler on earth? The minions (and that is a reprehensible term in itself), well, they are not important, toiling in "some field in China somewhere", to me this suggests that these people working hard to feed their families are somehow "less" than us here? Am I allowed to be concerned about that, Bill, without you trying to brush my concerns off with the old "oh, you are angry" "must have touched a nerve" "you have issues" chestnut? That is a cheap shot, in my opinion.

That wasn't what prompted my question to you. You seemed to be trying really hard to find fault any way you could, as in questioning whether Dane Tops' claims were in themselves spurious. These are extremely well documented (famous, even) in scientology history, and they resulted in a huge exodus of people leaving the 'Church' -- you should be happy to know!

I called you on that, and suggested that you seemed to be pretty confused -- i.e. disbelieving everything, even when very well-documented and extremely clear to understand. Then when you thought that the whole thing was some kind of psy-op with the mods colluding -- I mean, really. You didn't appear to be even trying to understand any information presented (by me). You'd already made up your mind.

You seemed to consider the internet is a more reliable source of information that I am -- when I'm right here, genuinely happy to try to answer every question. But then you thought that I might be conditioned! (Or brainwashed, or indoctrinated, or something.) Which of course prejudges and discredits any response of mine.

This is called prejudice. You are very polite (most of the time) -- but beneath that veneer, you come across on this topic as surprisingly closed-minded. You see now why I asked you why you were angry? Because you were -- for at least a moment -- letting go of your normally present critical thinking.

Again, re the 30% - 70%, please quote for me what Jim actually said. I might be wrong (again, this is honest), but I'd thought Jim was saying that 70% of people on the planet had the 'GE' ('Genetic Entity', which is a term for the Body Intelligence) in charge. If he said that there was no being (soul/spirit) there at all, I would disagree with him. But I'd increase his claimed 70% to upwards of 80-90% if we're discussing whether the being runs the body, or the body runs the being. That's contentious, for sure, but I'd stand by that, and it would be interesting to debate.

Posted by music (here)
The reason I am passionate about this is that I value this forum and the people on it, and feel that one of the beauties of this forum is that it represents many viewpoints.

Yes, for sure.

Posted by music (here)
Also of concern is that plenty of people come on here with grandiose claims, but never have the mods offered the level of support to any one individual that Jim has received. People look up to the mods, and this level of support will in some way "pre-make up" many people's minds. This means you have an unavoidable responsibility. Jim appears to making the claim that he is in some way a "god", and not in the way of many enlightened souls who say "we are all god". In seeming to endorse this message, and by continually saying Jim has "something important to say", and using terms like "Jim's message" and "Jim story", there is a kind evangelical flavour that the perceived mod endorsement validates.

Which mods have been offering so much 'support?"

Paul has been trying to clarify one or two things, Christian is personally quite interested, and Christine and I have been offering our own experiences. Sounds pretty healthy to me. As best I know, Ilie, Sierra, karelia and Marianne have said very little (or maybe nothing). And if you read my posts carefully (have you done that?), you'll see that I've challenged Jim on one or two things. Hardly a 'psy-op'.

Generalizing in these situations (e.g. writing things like "all the mods" or "everyone" or "always") is a pretty clear indicator of someone who is upset.

Posted by music (here)
I am also concerned with other things, but you know what, I will do Jim the favour of keeping them out of his thread. If I have a concern, I'll post it myself and ensure that I am polite when I do. I may just go and remove a link I posted on one of Jim's threads, and place it in one of my own. I will explain why I do this: to allow Jim to tell his story, in his own words, without having to counter opposing views to his history and cosmology.

That seems fair to me.

Yes, that's very fair -- many thanks.

[Padmé]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
And if you read my posts carefully (have you done that?), you'll see that I've challenged Jim on one or two things. Hardly a 'psy-op'.

To be fair Mr Ryan, I'm pretty sure Music wrote that post before you challenged Jiminii on one or two things...

[Sidney]

Posted by Christine (here)
I will jump in here with a suggestion which most likely needs a new thread.

So here it is, while jiminii is staying up 24/7 revealing to virtually the whole world who he IS (I am no one who can say he is or isn't what he claims, it is enough for my learning that he believe it), trying his best to get HIS message across. It can be comfortable to sit back and take him and his experiences apart. I have been aware that this usually happens when confronted with something unconfrontable. The claims he makes are outrageous to most, insulting to others and to some they strike a chord.

I chuckle to myself here as I realize that none of the above represent my response, which is best described as a mixture. But what I do perceive is a being who is giving his all to help wake up the slumbering and who has a sincere belief that we can (or already have [taken]) take the planet back, who promotes that we wake up to ourselves, that we actually claim our power and manifest our reality.

It doesn't matter if you believe his story, you have your own story.

As Nelson Mandala so famously said.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

The suggestion is that we continue to share deeply of who we are without the necessity of invalidating another. As has Simon Parkes, as has Bill Ryan as have others lets pull out all stops folks.

I agree with you!!! And that is what my comment was suppose to mean. The information that Jim is sharing has resonated with me from the beginning, the thing that threw the proverbial wrench was the Pigmotti story, as I am scientology illiterate. That made me stop and think, and remember what Atticus/Charles did to this happy "home". And I needed to step back and and reassess what I was taking in. There is nothing wrong with healthy skepticism. I have been supportive of Jimini from the beginning, and I think I made it pretty clear that I had no intention of assassinating his character. Anyone coming here with information like what Jim has come forth with should absolutely expect questions. Lots of them, and not to mention all the MANY members of the forum that aare sitting in the background, not saying anything and we know why, its because no one wants to get caught up in something like this (atticus for example) then have it come back to bite them in the arse. I am at least asking questions and being somewhat supportive, with some healthy feedbak. When someone on the interrnet comes and says hes the second coming of ANYTHING, any responsible person should be asking questions. I didn't say that Jimini was lying, or anything even remotely close.

[thunder24]

"so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them "


it was the word sick not ill

post 186


there u go bill

[Padmé]

I feel the need to step in, at the risk of being accused of being angry and closed minded... which I can assure you is not the case at all. I have been following Jiminii's threads with much interest but I also felt that he has been supported here in ways that I haven't quite been able to get my head around.

When I posed the question, several times about why Jiminii's threads were not moved to the channeled information categories where he is clearly speaking as the viewpoint of Metteya and begins the post and several times throughout the post states that this thread is about the story of Metteya from the viewpoint of Jim.... to later on in another thread, channelling LRH himself... Christine made the decision to keep the threads where they were, even though Jiminii himself agreed that it should be moved. I later wrote a post about my theory of why this could be... as I felt that it could be do to with the fact the channeled information category came with this fore warning above it;

Project Avalon and Bill Ryan do not endorse the information presented in this section
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User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
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... and evidently this warning for some reason doesn't seem to apply in this case. May I ask why?

I believe you also send this message out to all new comers in your welcome message...

A note about the one aspect of the forum which is more controversial than any other: that of channeled messages. The moderator team, fully supported by myself, have made the decision to post a disclaimer on threads on that particular subforum.

My personal opinion, which is fairly well-informed, is that many channeled messages offer many nice words and plenty of saccharine hope - but little of substance and in all probability (I'm afraid) little that is real.

There are deep, dark games played here, and there is much deliberate deception both on the physical (electromagnetic) and astral levels. We encourage intelligent inquiry - and discourage proselytizing and anything that smacks of promoting belief systems of any kind.

There has been many responses from other members on here that will support what I say too, where many of us have sensed a promotion of religious, elitist agenda... and those of us who have politely and intelligently enquired further have either been ignored or have been answered by moderators in a more 'Avalon like' fashion...

I believe Jiminii himself stated that he was asked to leave Scientology... it was not a decision of his own and has also stated that given the chance (and finances) he would like to be audited further by those in back in the sect.

When Eaglespirit encouraged us to all come together to move things with our minds, Amzer Zo responded, 'well y'all welcome to be audited'... when I asked further clarification and said, does that mean we cannot move things with our minds if we are not audited, my question was ignored... twice... as I later bumped the question, pointing out I was not given an answer.

The mods have since stated that this is not the case... but that was the mods...

Things like this have aided to create a suspicion of agenda, regardless of if there was one or not.

Maybe you would like to help us on some clarification on these topics.

I am not here to tell anyone what they experience is incorrect or to assassinate anyone's character... I'm taking what works for me...

Respectfully,
Padme

[music]

Links first, then I'll clarify some things.

I was near the complex in Hollywood and they asked us to go to a room to get a briefing of something LRH wanted us to know and it would ;only be given once that day. I read from LRH this ... LRH was afraid we would ;not be able to clear the planet because a large percentage of the planet are minions ... no greater than the trees and the plants .... now ... this was a long time ago so I assume if we are 7 billion now ... that it probably is around 70 percent or more.

the 70 percent will probably not be on this website ... they will be in the fields of china or some place like that ... they can not originate new thought .. they would watch the same TV shows and go to the same places everyday ...doing the same routine .. they can even be engineers .. but they would usually copy other peoples work ... because they would not be able to originate a new creation

And from me:

in fact this has all the hallmarks of a well-orchestrated campaign, such as a, oh, I don't know, a psy-op, or perhaps an info-mercial

The use of the term psy-op was ill-advised, and I apologise for that. Context-wise, this is illustrating appearances - this is how the playing out of the coming of jiminii is being perceived by many observers, myself included. Psy-ops, as far as I am concerned also, are not limited to intelligence gathering communities, or NWO agenda driven concerns - they may also be employed by people furthering their own less inclusive ends or goals. The use of the term is cautionary, but yes, ill-advised due to the emotionally-charged nature of it, and I apologise to all for this.

According to Dane Tops, CIA interest in Scientology was instigated to discredit Hubbard and his tech. Utilising, among other things, but to cite the example I have most trouble with, 5-7 year old CIA/MKUltra trained psychically gifted children to fundamentally isolate Hubbard and imprison him on his boat, and then to take over the org as they came of age. Meanwhile, other claims are that Hubbard himself was involved with the Tavistock Institute US branch (under control of Tavistock UK), CIA and MKUltra right from the word go, and that he resigned his commision in the US Navy to carry out his mind-control experiements at a distance from government to minimise state culpability.

The first claim has no empirical evidence that satifies me, the second claim is loaded with empirical and other evidence. Still, when I posted just one among the many sources for this claim, I put a caveat at the start:

We are in dis-info territory here, tread carefully, examine the material, embedded links, photos and references and decide for yourself

And as is the circular nature of things, we are back to where we were a few days ago Bill, having to agree to disagree, but as always, I will allow for the fact that I may wrong.

Finally here is the entirity of the last quote, mentioned above by thunder24 (thanks), with a link embedded for easy access. This and the above links from jiminii illustrate, among other things, the elitist and hierarchical thought that some here have a problem with.

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)
we are more powerful than any group in this universe ... but we have to get our spiritual space out there as big as this galaxy is and bigger ... put our space out to cover the not only this galactic governments but all the neighboring galaxies ...
you see there is a viewpoint to all the neighboring galaxies that this planet and all the entities on it is just a pain in the a***** ... not worth bothering with .. and we won't be if we don't make our presents felt .... this is not hard to do ... practicing getting your space out there ...
just get the idea of the space of just your body
then get the idea of the space of the room
then get the idea of the space of the apartment
then the building
then this part of the city
then the city
then the state
now get the idea of the space of just your body
you can see the difference
now get the idea of the space of the state
the country and the hemisphere ,., the planet ,,, this solar system .... the galaxy ... all the neighboring galaxies .... this quadrant of the universe .... the entire universe ...

add 1 more universe to this one ... add 10
now you have enough spiritual space to put something in it ... and we do have the power ,.. you just have to get rid of consideration that you are a weak body .. you are not
you can not imagine the amount of game we are playing .... you only have to decide you are cause over it.
this means that you are senior to all considerations and all beings everywhere ... you have to get the idea there is NO COUNTER INTENTION ANYWHERE
you are senior to ALL OF IT ....
then your thoughts will happen
we need a lot of the most powerful doing this ,.,to show them we are worth handling
thought is senior to ALL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE MECHANICS ,,... and we are senior to all of it
but you have to decide you are and then put the thought that the cabal is being stopped by the governments up there and we the people are in charge of this planet
then decide they put us into the galactic governments system ... so we can be heard ... and then they will be able to remove the cabal ,.
we have to bypass the cabal .... that means those who can do telepathy must act and locate those up there and get them to recognize us

according to free zone LRH is up there and is part of the senior counsel and can be a voice for us if we stand up as a collective

you can do this
let's get it done

jim

So if I understand this correctly, we once again must rely on others to save us from the cabal? This time the galactic governments?

Then when the cabal is gone, we will switch hierarchy system into the galactic government hierarchy instead?
Am I missing something in this picture?

from my knowingness ... we are waiting for this planet to go into full 4th dimension ... as we all wake up more and more ... they are all still negotiating the outcome ... for example the pole shift and other decisions they are working on ..... everything that was suppose to happen ... didn't happen ... only a few things actually happened like the planet heating up and some volcanic activity and earthquakes .... but if I was to really tell you from my surety ... I KNEW VIETNAM would not be able to attack Thailand while I was there. and I am a viewpoint that is an observation now since I wasn't able to complete the mission of opening up the upper OT levels in Scientology ... and I also knew one more thing .... it was my decision whether we salvaged the planet or not ....I decided to salvage it ... so each year goes by and every time I hear something come up like Indonesia is sinking ... something happens and it is more or less in check.
I just have a hard time believing that I can do all this ... because i have to think through this body .... what I really feel is my being here along with all those others that were sent here are keeping the planet from going away like all the expected senario's like the madrid fault going and yellowstone going ... hasn't happened ... so we are holding the place and keeping it from going away .... when someone comes up and tells me "how do we stop the chem trails" ... I guess I just have to confront that too ... because everything I confront gets handled ... but this body think throws me off ... I have to dream up a way to stop it ... or just decide NO MORE CHEM TRAILS .... and let the postulate do the work ... it is funny how postulates work ... you can put in an end thing ... without a work around ... and the postulate will just come up with a way to do it and I get completely surprised how this spirit in me handles it .... so we decide it from now ... NO MORE CHEM TRAILS ... and see what the being will do with that postulate .... NO MORE MONSANTO ... and they will just drop like flies ... you see everyone who tried to stop me when I tried to join the sea org of scientology once got sick ... so they were forced to let me join ... but I guess I could have gotten rid of the infiltration too ... but this body didn't know at the time until way later ... but I know I have the power to handle just about anything ... so another way to handle Monsanto and the chem trails is put the postulate out and have anyone that works for these organizations get sick and never get well until they stop doing what they are doing ,... you can probably handle the entire cabal this way too .... I just never thought of it ... but now that you reminded me of how I handle past stops on my intentions ... this could be a way to stop all the suppression forever ,,, but it is really not allowing others free choice ... but to hell with free choice ... they KNOW they are wrong ... so with enough intention there we can stop them

jim

[Hervé]

Posted by Padmé (here)
[...] Amzer Zo responded, 'well y'all welcome to be audited'... [...]
Padme

I think you better reread that post 229 of mine for my exact wording and also get an idea of what it entices to be an auditor and the level of confront that is needed to even consider "auditing" a psycho.

You could also get a Dianetics book and start the procedure with a partner in order to get a first hand experience that will cost you nothing since the book can be found about anywhere.

[Padmé]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)
[...] Amzer Zo responded, 'well y'all welcome to be audited'... [...]
Padme

I think you better reread that post 229 of mine for my exact wording and also get an idea of what it entices to be an auditor and the level of confront that is needed to even consider "auditing" a psycho.

You could also get a Dianetics book and start the procedure with a partner in order to get a first hand experience that will cost you nothing since the book can be found about anywhere.

I apologise... here is the post... Amzer Zo says...' Well, ya'll welcome to become "auditors" '

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Padmé (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
Well...let's change their minds then...let's get on with it...each one of us that chooses to!

[...]

Well, ya'll welcome to become "auditors":

No thank you... but thats kind of you to offer though
... but does this then mean that we cant use our minds to change theirs, unless we are auditors?

This is a genuine question that I feel hasnt been answered yet...

Thanks for answering my question though

EDITED TO ADD:
Others have since answered similarly, however my point is that sometimes you need clarification from the person posting the sentence in question or at the very least OP of the thread. Otherwise naturally the reader will apply their own interpretation.

[Hervé]

About the confront level needed to "audit" a psycho, from that same post:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

All right, let me rephrase: when one follows the Auditor's Code, the psycho gets out of the incident s/he stuck in. The difficulty is for the auditor to go through "listening to and watching a psycho grinning, laughing and taking pleasure at recounting the kind of gory stories and graphic pictures posted all along this thread" [Horus-Ra] without breaking the "Auditor's Code." Just the thought of wanting to throw the book at the individual is enough to break that "Auditor's code."

[...]

That's the kind of guy LRH was: being able to audit a psycho to end phenomena having in view the simple arithmetic of "one less psycho doing harm on planet Earth."

Taking into consideration the data provided by jim, that approach is not gonna happen until the psycho/reptilians/whatever are rounded out and isolated somewhere.

First, because they never even consider there is something wrong with them; they are always right and everybody else is wrong and therefore won't ever seek to improve themselves or their conditions.

Second, because Earth and her inhabitants have run out of time since the controllers are already systematically reducing Earth population, human, animals and ecosystems, by every possible means known and unknown and therefore this becomes an urgent case of self-defense against a gun held to one's head.

Since we are in that situation, what jim is saying is that, instead of praying to some remote god or ET, "you be the prayer you wish to see" by using your OT/supernatural/spiritual abilities.

[Padmé]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
About the confront level needed to "audit" a psycho, from that same post:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

All right, let me rephrase: when one follows the Auditor's Code, the psycho gets out of the incident s/he stuck in. The difficulty is for the auditor to go through "listening to and watching a psycho grinning, laughing and taking pleasure at recounting the kind of gory stories and graphic pictures posted all along this thread" [Horus-Ra] without breaking the "Auditor's Code." Just the thought of wanting to throw the book at the individual is enough to break that "Auditor's code."

[...]

That's the kind of guy LRH was: being able to audit a psycho to end phenomena having in view the simple arithmetic of "one less psycho doing harm on planet Earth."

Taking into consideration the data provided by jim, that approach is not gonna happen until the psycho/reptilians/whatever are rounded out and isolated somewhere.

First, because they never even consider there is something wrong with them; they are always right and everybody else is wrong and therefore won't ever seek to improve themselves or their conditions.

Second, because Earth and her inhabitants have run out of time since the controllers are already systematically reducing Earth population, human, animals and ecosystems, by every possible means known and unknown and therefore this becomes an urgent case of self-defense against a gun held to one's head.

Since we are in that situation, what jim is saying is that, instead of praying to some remote god or ET, "you be the prayer you wish to see" by using your OT/supernatural/spiritual abilities.

My example was about the lack of response to the question I posed, not about your interpretation of Jim's post and why you said what you did... its was not about its context, it was brand new question based on your response.

[Hervé]

Posted by Padmé (here)
[...]

My example was about the lack of response to the question I posed, not about your interpretation of Jim's post and why you said what you did... its was not about its context, it was brand new question based on your response.

That wasn't an answer to your question, it's my analysis of the situation.

As for your question, take a good look at it; it contains its own answer and therefore purely rhetorical.

jim tells you where to find the drills/practice to expand your abilities and asks you to start doing it... no need for any questions of the kind you asked, just start practicing.

As for "changing "THEIR" mind": see post # 230:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The "caveat" of changing "their mind" in one fell swoop is that "they" are not taking any responsibility (free will) for it... it is done for them and that has never, ever worked and never, ever will (see Alex Collier and "mentoring" vs. overtaking).

"They" have to "cognite"/realize, all by their lonesome selves, on having been "wrong" etc... for a genuine, sincere change to take place.

Hence the need for auditors...

[gripreaper]

I'm willing to concede, for the moment, that someone can come back from the future with the intent of shifting the timeline, or as an emissary of ourselves. I'm also willing to concede that truth is much stranger than I can imagine, and that the possibility of Jim's story being genuine is real.

and I also knew one more thing .... it was my decision whether we salvaged the planet or not ....I decided to salvage it ...

I'm also with Music that I approach this topic with a healthy skepticism, as the delivery has an aire of grandiosity to it, and this may just be because Jim is a new member and I do not have enough background or posting history to develop the kind of respect that I have for Music, or Amzer Zo. It may also be the delivery which comes in "stream of consciousness" writing, which does not have the linguistic or etymological context from which to draw a linear perspective, and I am having to work to put the pieces together and reserve my opinion until I reach a descent "gestalt" of the material.

Suffice it to say, the content, as well as the direction and the intent of the LRH threads are not very clear to me. I'm going to peruse the links Bill has imbedded and see if I can get some clarity.

[WEAREONE]

hmmm, is my first reaction. Deeper I will go.

Posted by jiminii (here)
the night before I joined Scientology the first time I was in my room in Hollywood half asleep my body asleep but spirit awake I suddenly find myself in the operations room of a UFO. My spirit is there ... no body ,,. no sound since there is no ears of a body but everything clear ... i look at the circular room with all the computer lights flashing and suddenly recall how to run every control in the ship when suddenly a gray got my attention. I turned and looked at him and from the clear lenses of his big black eyes I could see the lights of the computer flashing in these eyes ... and he spoke in telepathy ,, it is different than sound ,,, it s like he puts the sound in to my beingness ,,,, he said, "I am going to heal you ... " and he meant spiritually ,,, and I suddenly looked at a box to my right and I knew what he was going to do. this box can inspire whole languages into you or run pictures to change your future ,,,, and I suddenly realized I knew how to repair everything in the ship ..,. I turned and looked at him and said, "go ahead " and I was back in my room ,,, while on the ship I knew about the mission I was doing but back in the body all the information was gone including the knowledge of the ship but i remember everything else ,,, I find myself going to 21 countries after that almost miraculously ... even when I have no money ... it some how comes

I find myself in Japan and I put an ad in the english magazine about ET's and get a call from a canadian an he meets me at a train station ... I told him that i was an astral abduction and he says yes he has the info ... the info talked about the reptilians ... and the part about me being taken aboard by spirit not body and it said,
"we can not give you any data about this entity because it would endanger his mission .. but this spirit has the power to handle almost any catastrophe that can happen.

I found myself in san diego at a hot dog stand and I sat down at an outside table where an old lady was sitting and almost immediately we were talking about UFO's and she told me to go to a church where there is people like me .. I went there and they were doing healings with hands but not touching the body .... and outside I started to talk about the UFO abduction and suddenly everyone was asking questions like "was it an organic ship or a solid ship?" ... I kept looking at a girl in front of me and she said, " You were home weren't you?" ...
I said, ;"what?"
she said "you were home weren't you?"
and I said, "YES ... I was home .... " ... the reason i had no fear in the UFO is because it was my home ... and I knew how to run everything ..

she is about the only one I have found out here in this world that could say something like this and I get immediate knowingness

THIS GAME IS OURS ,,,, WE ARE MAKING IT ,,,

There is so much surety in me I know we have already won before we even started it ,,,, we are only now going through the actions of it ,,, Know yourself ,,, you put yourself here so you can experience it ,,,, decide how you want it to go ,,,, cancel out all the negative thoughts and watch it happen again and again and again and again and again.

then you will also have surety ,,, and nothing will stop you ever again.

hope this can let you free yourself of all the threats any cabal can put there ,,, they have practically ran out of threats ,,,

when they have completely exhausted their resources which is happening now ,.. they will not be able to pay anyone to threaten anyone again

hope this can answer your questions
jim

[Tangri]

Posted by Padmé (here)
I feel the need to step in, at the risk of being accused of being angry and closed minded... which I can assure you is not the case at all. I have been following Jiminii's threads with much interest but I also felt that he has been supported here in ways that I haven't quite been able to get my head around.

When I posed the question, several times about why Jiminii's threads were not moved to the channeled information categories where he is clearly speaking as the viewpoint of Metteya and begins the post and several times throughout the post states that this thread is about the story of Metteya from the viewpoint of Jim.... to later on in another thread, channelling LRH himself... Christine made the decision to keep the threads where they were, even though Jiminii himself agreed that it should be moved. I later wrote a post about my theory of why this could be... as I felt that it could be do to with the fact the channeled information category came with this fore warning above it;

Project Avalon and Bill Ryan do not endorse the information presented in this section
and accepts no responsibility for psychological, spiritual or metaphysical effects
either negative or positive to individuals who read these threads.
User discretion is advised.
We ask that following any post of these messages that a link to the source
be provided so that readers may follow up on the authenticity of the message and/or messenger

... and evidently this warning for some reason doesn't seem to apply in this case. May I ask why?

I believe you also send this message out to all new comers in your welcome message...

A note about the one aspect of the forum which is more controversial than any other: that of channeled messages. The moderator team, fully supported by myself, have made the decision to post a disclaimer on threads on that particular subforum.

My personal opinion, which is fairly well-informed, is that many channeled messages offer many nice words and plenty of saccharine hope - but little of substance and in all probability (I'm afraid) little that is real.

There are deep, dark games played here, and there is much deliberate deception both on the physical (electromagnetic) and astral levels. We encourage intelligent inquiry - and discourage proselytizing and anything that smacks of promoting belief systems of any kind.

There has been many responses from other members on here that will support what I say too, where many of us have sensed a promotion of religious, elitist agenda... and those of us who have politely and intelligently enquired further have either been ignored or have been answered by moderators in a more 'Avalon like' fashion...

I believe Jiminii himself stated that he was asked to leave Scientology... it was not a decision of his own and has also stated that given the chance (and finances) he would like to be audited further by those in back in the sect.

When Eaglespirit encouraged us to all come together to move things with our minds, Amzer Zo responded, 'well y'all welcome to be audited'... when I asked further clarification and said, does that mean we cannot move things with our minds if we are not audited, my question was ignored... twice... as I later bumped the question, pointing out I was not given an answer.

The mods have since stated that this is not the case... but that was the mods...

Things like this have aided to create a suspicion of agenda, regardless of if there was one or not.

Maybe you would like to help us on some clarification on these topics.

I am not here to tell anyone what they experience is incorrect or to assassinate anyone's character... I'm taking what works for me...

Respectfully,
Padme

You are right to have objection Padme, It looks like hypocrisy from different vintage point. But you should consider other side's 25 years of spent of life(which must be consider as a benefit(and relief) or consumed time for illusion(and depression) .
Put yourself on that person shoe, If some one tries to cut your last of hope's rope. In my life I witnessed a lot of phaenomenon (fenoman ) which those affected my daily life in that time segment. On the other hand I left those environment when it became a thread to my individuality. I want to emphasize a pit stop for that.

There is no only one truth for each individual. Your path of true is (maybe) different than mine and my path of true is different than other Avalon member. it does not mean to that we will meet at different destination. Also do not believe what Bill says
about 80-90% no soul human lives in Earth. He is comparing with his living environment. Every living being on Earth is important even though their passengers from dark side or light side. Creating or claiming a superiority for one culture/,race to another one is a delusion and it can be contagious.
I understand your voiced protest about Asia population are mostly hybrid thesis.

[jiminii]

there are two viewpoints ,,, one is that because we are crossing the equatorial plane the planets will automatically have a pole shift ,, comes from someone who says he from andromeda and his name is captain bill
but so much of his data he has been saying since 2010 sounds very authentic but because I don't see anything that shows anything about the spirit itself i think maybe some of his data is true ,., but if some of it is true what? ... i have the idea that he could be giving enough truth to get your attention but also putting in the disinformation to create some effect .., but I still don't trust it .. I just look and wait ...see if any of it comes true ... he is saying that there are some very large space ships and that elinin was a comet and they followed it and waited until they got an agreement to what they would do with it and then they destroyed it ... but he said the real nibiru is following with a small solar system behind it .. and they took one of the huge ships the size of jupiter and moved it out of its orbit ...but now they have to put it back into its orbit and the reason was to keep it from getting too close to us ,,, but he is saying that the pole shift is coming somewhere around october ,,, so I can't verify it
nor can I verify this man name tolec .,,

and I don't know much about this website ,,, so I put out what I thought might happen to see what response I would get .. then I withdrew ... to see what response i would get ,.. and then finally bill caught up with me and I could see what he was looking at ... so I got it and now I can remove some of the disinformation ...

as for the furture ... I listened to alex collier's interview I think in september 2012 and he said .. this time has already happened .,, and that opened the door ... he said they are sending people from the future back to this time ... to change it .... and I have never looked at much of his data ... but this one really opened the door
I looked from the spirit part of me to see what was there and it started to as you people put it resonate ... WOW what a clever idea ... do this stuff from the future ... they have found a way to place us (the spirit) back to this time ... and everything aligned ... Now I know what happened .... LRH came from the future and was in direct contact with base 2 ...and that is how he could get the information to evaluate the persons he audits case ... they could see the effects on a spirit and correct the processing

that opened up a new door .. I already had located my bodies and the indigo and crystal and rainbow children so I could not continue the processing .. there were too many viewpoints to locate so it would take forever to locate all of them

but I had enough to try to put it all together and I saw bill is right on .. so I immediately dropped the disinformation from the other sites ... I see here I found a group I can work with ..

sorry if I confused everyone and I apologize for that but I was able to align the data much faster when I saw what bill was looking at. now this body can't see it ... but this being can ... and I was able to drop the disinformation immediately
sorry for the withdraw .. I did the withdraw so I could see who would reach and what they would say and who was interested

jim

[Tangri]

Jiminii You Wrote
"i am sure you will not be stopped ... but perverts criminals degraded beings and etc can not be on this planet until their case is handled
no one will be killed ... they will die sometime but they will reincarnate to places that better match their vibration level ... and anyone has the right to be rehabilitated if they choose but this place .. this earth belongs to royalty first ... so
jim[/QUOTE]



and anyone has the right to be rehabilitated if they choose but this place .. this earth belongs to royalty first .."

What do you mean with this? who are the royalty? Who gave this privilege to them?
Maybe your another viewpoint is on Queen Elizabeth can you check it please before she dies?

[jiminii]

there was no regression done on me in my sessions
only processes that were physical like look at the wall ,,, touch that wall ,,, and similar processes

the only regression that was done was caused by me .. the class 8 auditor could not find an earlier similar , to the question ,,,, nothing
I was brand new there ,,, knew almost nothing so I felt quite weird that I couldn't go past track
so I ran a flow through my head
nothing happened
I ran a flow through my head and put a nudge on it,
she says "that"
I find myself back about 750 AD .. don't know if it was france or england but on the top of a hill and looking down in a valley to a castle and a river going around it
now I can't honestly say this is a regression ,,, not what I did ,, it sounds to me that a regression is some kind of hipnotism
this was not anything like that
I went into a quick short gap of total nothingness ,,,and back into the place I went to see ,,, it was more like actually popping out of this time and popping into that time and popping back
when we got to the part of ripping the head off it was as real as me being there in a body swinging a sword watching the sword take off his head
now is that regression or is it more like what is happening now
they popped us somehow back to this time in this body to run this time again
going back to that incident tells me this ,, I had to come up with something for the auditor or they might think something weird about my case so to protect my identity the spirit part just pops me back in time so I can deliver an answer so she would continue the session
I am sitting there trying to find some picture that will take me back
there is nothing there
so I assume the being just picked a time and took me back when I caused a meter reacting and she said "that"
the next session I took over the session not letting the class 8 auditor know what I was doing
I ran the Christ on the cross incident
but I was total cause back there .. i could jump in the body to see what it was and jump out and look .. just like popping back to that time and operating from the viewpoint ... not from some body I might have had
I just used the session to take me back to find out some answers
but each time I had to run the flow and put a nudge on it
the class 8 auditor could not do it with her commands
they never gave me another session after that and that was in 1971
all the commands trey used on me was in PT .. not past track
he would have me look and I would tell him what I saw
no regression

jim

[jiminii]

Posted by Tangri (here)
Jiminii You Wrote
"i am sure you will not be stopped ... but perverts criminals degraded beings and etc can not be on this planet until their case is handled
no one will be killed ... they will die sometime but they will reincarnate to places that better match their vibration level ... and anyone has the right to be rehabilitated if they choose but this place .. this earth belongs to royalty first ... so
jim

and anyone has the right to be rehabilitated if they choose but this place .. this earth belongs to royalty first .."

What do you mean with this? who are the royalty? Who gave this privilege to them?
Maybe your another viewpoint is on Queen Elizabeth can you check it please before she dies?[/QUOTE]

forget that post ,.. that is using some other website viewpoint
bill already cleared me on it
What I know is this and I can't prove it ,,,

we were sent back to this time to change the future
by looking back into the future I see it has been changed and we won
so our mission is basically done
so now we somehow got to get ourselves back to where ever or what ever this future has decided to do or has done .. don't really know what that is
but i am sure we will all make it
this is a game where everyone wins
and those on this sight are right .,, the good and evil played out their game ... we have solved it in the future and are presently repairing the track
where is goes from here I don't know ,,, but it can only get better

jim

[WEAREONE]

hmmm, still looking deeper.

Posted by jiminii (here)
there is more .. Metteyya created the the new spirits out of his own source ... this connects you to every other Metteyya ... like Siddhartha Gautama Buddha .. I could run his pictures ... and I could run LRH's pictures ... but too fast for this body to see ... but the Knowingness is here and it somehow gets this body to accidentally run into the data I need ... being connected to the other bodies can also get data going back and forth and I find things that I probably would never have found ... in the UFO everything speeded up ... soooooooo fast .. "I know this .. and this and this " .. if that ET didn't get my attention I would have known everything is a short time ... in the spirit everything is a lot faster ... I am so close to it I can almost touch it ... I know when someone gets my mail and what reaction they had whether it be happy angry or in teas .. I would feel her feelings as though they are in me
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so my other friend can communicate to her other bodies and she can see them ... like inelia ... but I can't yet


but when I connected to this website ... a lot of pure beautiful energy came in from Metteyya ... and then I knew it is time to open up the can of worms

hahaha

and the perceptions increased a lot

probably just need to be around the right people to turn everything back on

jim

[WEAREONE]

I just cant get behind this message. Who the heck do you think you are to share this message you are sharing in such a casual, loose, oh what the hell manner. have some respect for the information you are trying to share,... or if perhaps that is something you are unable to do then perhaps, filter your message so that those who question the message can learn, research themselves... You are offering a cheap idiosyncratic version of your truth in a very casual manner. Perhaps all you say is true. If so then I say we are all in a worse situaton then I had previously anticipated.

Posted by jiminii (here)
maybe you won't believe this and maybe you can't but everyone believed in reincarnation in the days of Christ ... but Constantine needed a way to control the people so all passages of reincarnation was removed from the bible ... and he put in it's place The Persian idea of heaven and hell and one life to live so they can control the people ... there are stories of Christ in Tibet ... he was gone all those years ... and he was trained by the Tibetian buddhsit ...
so this is another viewpoint ... isn't it? IS IT TRUE ??? anyone can say something is true ... but if it is a lie no matter who writes it no writing can change a lie to truth ...

We are on a prison planet ... it took them billions of years to create this ... NO ONE ESCAPES from a prison planet ... NO ONE until Siddhartha Gautama Buddha did 2500 years ago ... any religion that tells you that you have no power and only god has power and any other power is the devil will never get you off this planet
it takes a being with a lot of power to get off this planet ... and giving all your power to a god that someone says exists isn't going to get you off the planet.

these are control religions ... I went back to see Christ on the Cross .. and started running the session myself using the class 8 auditor and her meter to do it.

I got back there ... Christ looked like he was in a very lot of pain ... I decided to go inside his body and see what was happening and a force a very big force was hitting me when I was in his body .. it was too much and I could not stay inside the body .. I got out and I saw a huge oval of gold light in front of him ... I thought he was making it .... I followed the light into the sky and it was a UFO ... and that UFO was hitting Christ with some kind of beam ... and it was flooding the crowd with pictures to create a future dark age ... I yelled ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ... it was a trick ...

now IS THIS TRUE ..????? ... it was very real to me ... but it can also be just another can of worms ....

by the way ... the force fields that trapped us to this planet have been removed ... by the andromedians . ... if you die this time you can go home ... where ;ever that was .... so future?? ... i am staying here ... this place will be the new beginning for the entire universe and when it is safe for them to come down they will teach us and we will be new light of this universe ... why because we were the gods they sent here and to them we are still looked at as royalty and they are trying to free us ...

jim