The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Freed Fox]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Were those organelles a luminescent blue?

Yes, they were actually... Thank you for that TraineeHuman.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
In psychotherapy, a person resolves their issue when towards the end they have an insight, an “Ah, ha!” moment.

The insight at the end alone is enough to cleanse the ego.

Well, what I’ve learnt to do, after many years, is how to go the eighth dimension fairly directly in such a situation. Not instantly, but it’s still a much quicker and less painful way to resolve more of one’s issues.

hi TH, im happy to say i do get a clear "ah ha!" type of understanding when i meditate and get to the groove of my meditation where i know if i ask a precise question, i'd get a precise understanding/answer.

sometimes i see faces that i know are not really related to my understanding.

or example; the last face i saw when meditating (happened about 2 weeks ago), was odd, because i saw a red headed guy with curly hair looking at me very angry from behind a wall. - i was shocked and kind of wondering what i did to deserve such a face. but i let it go, as it really doesnt frazzle me. but, it was quite strange though.

on another note, i happen to have dreams nightly. i vaguely remember them, as i have a tendency to get out of bed quickly before thinking/realizing. and tend to lose the memories of my dreams. i actually wasnt remembering ANYTHING from my dreams for about a month recently, and i know that was ridiculously strange, for me. i requested that my HS allow me (or assist me) in remembering my dreams again. so as mentioned, im vaguely remembering them, as is usual.

in a feeling, my dreams tend to be familiar. similar surroundings each time, where i know who is around me, even though in the morning i dont remember. the feeling is kind of feels like hanging out and acceptance. i think they are on lower astral though, as its the typical symbolic kinds of dreams. as im there, people are there. etc.

i wish i could just be lucid - because its SO easy for me to fall into a dream. although, it is not so easy for my to record my dreams at this moment. we're in the process of a lot of (good) things going on these days, such as moving.

[Finefeather]

Received this from a friend today and thought it would be a nice reminder of the ego...he talks of this as the 'pain body' which is a very interesting way of seeing this...because it always seems to get us into such a vulnerable state.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AcYrm7h86Rk

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Received this from a friend today and thought it would be a nice reminder of the ego...he talks of this as the 'pain body' which is a very interesting way of seeing this...because it always seems to get us into such a vulnerable state.

Tolle’s video doesn’t really impress me, unfortunately. Its main point seems to be that the ego always denies it’s in charge whenever it’s in charge of a person. But I would expect that anyone who is half-serious about evolving their awareness is already very cognizant that, as Freud put it, our main defence mechanisms are denial and certain variations of denial. Even to mention facing and embracing one’s dark side, or making use of psychotherapy or self-enquiry, already obviously takes that for granted.

Tolle and I used to have a spiritual teacher called Barry Long, who died in 2003. What Tolle calls “the pain-body” is identical to what Barry had years before Tolle's writings called “the unhappy-body”, and also “the unhappiness within you”. I guess the ego does have a little consciousness and life-force, and it’s a useful insight that its emotional core is made out of all of one’s unhappiness.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
In psychotherapy, a person resolves their issue when towards the end they have an insight, an “Ah, ha!” moment.

The insight at the end alone is enough to cleanse the ego.

Well, what I’ve learnt to do, after many years, is how to go the eighth dimension fairly directly in such a situation. Not instantly, but it’s still a much quicker and less painful way to resolve more of one’s issues.

hi TH, im happy to say i do get a clear "ah ha!" type of understanding when i meditate and get to the groove of my meditation where i know if i ask a precise question, i'd get a precise understanding/answer.

It’s really great that you’re able to work with and access insights. However, the insight(s) that will resolve a major issue are of a certain particular kind. I don't know if all your insights are of that kind. I’m afraid the type of insight I had in mind would enable you to see why you became the particular way you have been in relation to, say, your mother. It would also give you clear memories of relevant incidents, particularly in your childhood. For instance, I can remember everything that happened in my childhood, back to year zero (and before, in the womb and even in conception). Each memory like this casts everything in your past in a new and quite different light to what you had up till then thought. People in our family have their reasons for pulling the wool over our eyes in different ways when we're very little, and we also define too much of our worth in terms of how well we please our parents by delivering what we think they want. Most people can remember little or nothing that happened in the first four years of their life, though I would hope that the people here are doing much better than that. If you had all the relevant insights that I’m talking about regarding your mother, for example, then you would be able to understand her and yourself sufficiently that you wouldn’t have a problem about seeing her and you’d be at least reasonably successful in helping her get a series of at least small insights that would be causing changes for the better inside her.

[Finefeather]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Its main point seems to be that the ego always denies it’s in charge whenever it’s in charge of a person. But I would expect that anyone who is half-serious about evolving their awareness is already very cognizant that, as Freud put it, our main defence mechanisms are denial and certain variations of denial. Even to mention facing and embracing one’s dark side, or making use of psychotherapy or self-enquiry, already obviously takes that for granted.

Hi TH
What I got from the video was that he was talking at a much lower level, than you are expecting it to be, based on your current awareness. Once awareness of the 'pain body' becomes part of the awareness of the overall conscious mind...only then can it be assessed for what it is. In the early days of our life we are virtually the 'pain body'. I can clearly remember my early life prior, to my awakening, and when I was confronted by more advanced people than me. I...the 'pain body'...was clearly in charge.
The denial I experienced was never based on a HS connection but rather an arrogance that I was right and everyone else was wrong...there was no 'voice' telling me differently...that started later.
Take care
Ray

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)

I fall asleep and go into the strangest lucid dream I've ever had (I've said that before LOL). To start off with I see my Father in the after life and I can hear him talking very clearly, every word crystal clear. Only he doesn't know I'm listening in. He's there drowning his sorrows (he was an alcoholic) and he's telling all of his troubles to another man that's there. They are both sat down, and this other man keeps pouring him more drinks and encouraging him to speak and let it all out. Now my Dad can't see me, but this other guy is acting really shifty, he knows I'm there and at one point he comes up to me and whispers something nasty into my ear to let me know it. I feel a really sinister presence from him and get the sense that he's manipulating my Dad, and persuading him to drink more. It was like he was my Fathers internal voice, pushing him on, and I got the feeling that this man was the 'Demon Drink' personified, perhaps even 'addiction' itself. A real comic book villian.

As you yourself almost say outright, both "the villain" and "your Father" are something like comic book representations of real people. I'd suggest, though, that "the villain" is probably a very real side of yourself.

As you become more free of your baggage involving your father (whom you interestingly capitalised to Father), one thing you absolutely need to do is look at him in a coldly clinical fashion, and, indeed, to look at all his most negative sides in that way. To do that -- you bxxxxxx, you! -- it's easier to have a "villain" supposedly different from you to do that dirty work. This is an interesting illustration of one of the ways we all need to work with our own dark side.

The whole dream went on for a very long time (maybe over an hour) and so the memory of most of it has faded, but generally things got darker and darker from there on in. It seemed to me that as the dream went on I saw the ego personified in every conceivable way in grotesque detail by hundreds of different characters. This could easily have been my worst nightmare if I didn't feel so empowered and in control, and this does reflect how my new perspective in life has me somewhat distanced from the world of ego and unaffected by it.

You were willing enough to go into the depths of whatever hell lay inside you and be more evil (in your dream) than all the characters there. Again, a great lesson in accepting one's own evil side and thereby being cleansed of that part of it forever.

Suddenly this whole terrible scene turned into a real life video game ... and I was going around shooting all of these characters.

Outstanding! Again, something we can all learn from, about what's really involved in working with our dark side, and how to do it superbly. Our dark side is, in a sense, our savior. It's only by our not being overwhelmed -- or whatever the opposite of "dazzled" is -- by the intensity of the darkness that we can break free of it. Pluto's (or whoever's) descent into hell was in that sense everyperson's story.

At this point I was starting to feel overwhelmed by all of these enemies, so I called upon my own power and instantly the whole thing stopped. Game over, I win.

Yes, indeed. Calling in your own power is often, for us, the same thing as calling in your HS, or allowing your consciousness to be filled with your HS. It's done by a kind of not-doing, by allowing, by just -- dare I say it -- letting go, surrendering, to the Light that's ready to shine out from inside you.

Looking at this again, I'll be surprised if you didn't experience or glimpse Source in some fashion. After all, you faced a major aspect of what I know in your case to be a central core issue of your entire life, and you seem to have gotten maybe halfway or better to resolving it in one hit. I'll bet the heavens parted and molten golden Light poured down on you!

Intensifying the low buzzing sound in my head had the effect of very powerfully flushing a ton of garbage out of my head.

Rather like Ray, I'm rather sceptical whether intensifying the low-pitched sound is the way to go. Some things work only once-off, simply because they're very different from what you've been doing until then. The trick for getting things to work so well on the next occasion might well be to find something again new and fresh that puts you out of your comfort zone in a different way, I'd like to suggest.

I think I'm becoming the Higher Self more and more, but the take over is so subtle and gradual ...

Yes, the HS is subtle, but I trust you will be or are noticing that now an inner giant "Lion", or an inner giant "person", has been permanently unleashed. Don't pretend it didn't happen. Don't be afraid to fee fie foe fum ever again, often, whenever you feel like it. And please don't apologise if a post of yours happens to be long. Giants take their proper share. I suggest you now prepare for a job interview by temporarily not-knowing about any of your shortcomings and extensively reviewing all the ways in which you are intelligent and amazingly capable and superproductive you are -- and find a way to cram most of that good stuff in at your next interview. Try fee fie foe fumming it all the way through the interview. And in the new job, if you get it -- whoops, I mean, when you get it.

Finally: wow!

[AwakeInADream]

Thanks TH! I think I was a little scared that that comic book villain was me but I can live with that, and I guess shooting people is a little evil too isn't it... Still I didn't have a gun, I was playing like a child and shooting with my fingers. I think this childhood aspect was very important too because I had another little dream the night after (I think inspired by Seeker1972's post#826 Thanks Joe!) in which I was throwing a house party for all of my old school friends and making peace with those whom I had wronged and those who had wronged me (over a few beer's). Then I really was a small child again, and because it was a dream my imagination was coming to life. I created a large spaceship which took off from the sea and flew off out to a space station, and when I arrived there I was really at a large department store full of fun stuff.

I think this ties in with the last two phases I had when I went back in time first 20 years then 30 years and now I'm a child again in my dreamworld. If I go back any further I'll be pre-birth or in-between lives, which could be interesting, fun and liberating. I think what is happening is at a higher level (without my full conscious awareness) is I am working backwards through time and clearing out all of my garbage as I go. So I'm guessing that the younger I get in my dreams the better (at least for now).

Thanks for the interview advice too! I killed off the nerves very early on, and lately I've been getting braver and braver, allowing my true self to shine through. Sometimes I think I over do it at interviews, but it really doesn't pay to be modest in these situations. I'm no longer afraid to tell it like it is and so I talk about my spiritual side too without worrying about what people think. I really have become much more open and honest about myself which really makes for a good foundation to build on in terms of being happy and fulfilled in a job. I'm also finding good qualities about myself I never knew I had. Yep! That old 'low self esteem' is well and truly dead and buried! I have the sort of confidence now that children seem to have where everything is new but it doesn't phase them. I highly recommend growing younger! LOL. I see people differently now. I see the Soul, and accept that sometimes the personality doesn't match up to it (so what?). I embrace the real and forget about the false. Life is fun.

[Freed Fox]

Most of my dreams over the past week or so have been pretty mundane/unremarkable, but there was one last night which stood out to me.

In the beginning, it appeared as though I was basically at the bottom of the ocean. Surrounded by dark and murky water, I started rising toward the surface without having to apply any effort or thought to that end. As I rose through the waters, I saw all manner of underwater life. At first I saw frightening (or rather, intimidating) creatures such as gigantic eels. As I went higher, the lifeforms looked increasingly friendly/harmless. In the intermediary levels were ordinary looking fish, and the water was still a deep blue but noticeably less dark and ominous. Finally, as I was nearing the surface and could actually see the sunlight up above, there were an immense amount of truly beautiful fish, all with different patterns and bright colors. They were swimming very quickly all around me, almost like they were panicked (though I did not sense that such was the case). The entire process of surfacing seemed to last several minutes, despite the fact that I seemed to be moving pretty quickly. I was surprised at how deep this water was.

Finally, I burst out of the water and into a room. Every surface was made of red brick (walls, floor and ceiling). I found this odd, because I thought I had seen the sun while underwater. There was a woman there whom I did not recognize. She was simply standing near the center of the room, like she had been waiting for me. She looked at me and said something like, "The sun is getting too hot lately." At that point, she started to sweat profusely; so much so that it had a sort-of cartoonish affect in that it caused the waters (from which I had just arisen) to rise even further, filling the room we were in.

I have some notions about the first part of the dream (considering what has been said about the symbolic meaning of large bodies of water in dreams), but I have no idea about the second part. Rather bizarre, but I feel I'm getting better at determining which dreams are carrying greater meanings/messages from HS. For me, they tend to contain more imagery and are more vivid than 'ordinary dreams', even when they lack lucidity.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
In the beginning, it appeared as though I was basically at the bottom of the ocean. Surrounded by dark and murky water, I started rising toward the surface without having to apply any effort or thought to that end. As I rose through the waters, I saw all manner of underwater life. At first I saw frightening (or rather, intimidating) creatures such as gigantic eels. As I went higher, the lifeforms looked increasingly friendly/harmless. In the intermediary levels were ordinary looking fish, and the water was still a deep blue but noticeably less dark and ominous. Finally, as I was nearing the surface and could actually see the sunlight up above, there were an immense amount of truly beautiful fish, all with different patterns and bright colors. They were swimming very quickly all around me, almost like they were panicked (though I did not sense that such was the case). The entire process of surfacing seemed to last several minutes, despite the fact that I seemed to be moving pretty quickly. I was surprised at how deep this water was.

Finally, I burst out of the water and into a room. Every surface was made of red brick (walls, floor and ceiling). I found this odd, because I thought I had seen the sun while underwater. There was a woman there whom I did not recognize. She was simply standing near the center of the room, like she had been waiting for me. She looked at me and said something like, "The sun is getting too hot lately." At that point, she started to sweat profusely; so much so that it had a sort-of cartoonish affect in that it caused the waters (from which I had just arisen) to rise even further, filling the room we were in.

Cutting loose -- that's what I'd suggest you need to consciously do, based on your dreams. Once you do it, don't be surprised if you have some pleasurable flying dreams. It's very pleasurable to break through many boundaries quickly -- which is what flying can mean. People who are insane -- psychotic -- are those whose ego has cut loose from the rest of them. Some of them are extremely aware, though, because they manage to strengthen their connection to their HS as a counter-measure. But it doesn't really work for them, not while the ego is an independent "rogue" republic. I'd be surprised if one couldn't explain the so-called "Horus-Ra" phenomena in terms of the ego cut loose, not necessarily to the point of psychosis. In your case, however, by "cutting loose" I mean something different. I mean, well, letting go to your HS. OK, I need to explain why I'm saying this, so let's start from the top.

This clearly seems to be an OBE and not just a dream. The first part is about rising through the vast ocean and now the closer you came to the sunlit parts, the more beauty and natural power you experienced there.

The red brick structure you have apparently been trying to live in some of the time is probably your mind, your intellect. The woman who's finding the going too hot being confined in there is a "feminine" side of you, your intuition or something like that. I've already mentioned how difficult it can be to learn to let one's consciousness take over instead of one's mind. It looks like AwakeInADream has nailed that one superbly,and I beleive your dream is saying that you've achieved it too but you don't want to fully admit it to yourself as yet. Or you don't realize what you've done was all that was needed for that. But I'm certainly impressed that you've gotten to this point!

Many things need to be understood first as a concept, then made real through experience. For instance, first we learn to use our intellect to an "observer" level that watches the rest of what goes on. But consciousness -- which indeed is the HS -- watches all without being our intellect, though using intellect at those times when it's useful.

The fact that you keep getting this dream should be a reason for rejoicing, I'd say. It means you haven't accepted how fully you're already living in the HS. It does warm my heart when I hear things like this, and I know it's for real. It inspires me to hear from so many people who often don't realize just how far they've already advanced. Not too shabby a dream to have at all, by any standards!

Maybe you can find ways to prove to yourself to what extent your HS has been released. Maybe you could pay attention to doing things to make other people's day better for those around you, and noticing how much you can do now. Or noticing that ordinary life has become much more interestiing -- which I suspect you'll notice it has.

[TraineeHuman]

The movement to seeing reality differently from how the ego sees it is ultimately no less than a movement:
from suffering to happiness,
from seeing life and our existence itself as something individual to something universal, and yet we will remain a unique expression of that universality.

The ego is just a temporary stage, a chrysalis.
The butterfly that it is meant to turn into is a point into which the Divine itself concentrates itself.
When I say the ego needs to lose its influence over us, that’s because it needs to be transformed into the HS ultimately.

In spite of this transformation, this magnificent total reversal and transcendence, the butterfly doesn’t fly away somewhere else. It remains in this world of duality, where its task – our task – is to help gradually transform the dualistic, limited world itself through being in it.

The transformation from egoic to universal usually has many stages, many releases.

[TraineeHuman]

We may not always realize we are perceiving or experiencing the HS. But whenever we look dispassionately at the whole universe, at the fullness of reality, what we see is the HS. That’s provided we withdraw from all the limitations of our personal, egoistic points of view and all our short-term interests and concerns. We have to look into the mirror of eternity, of the endless infinities that are the full reality of the universe.

I remember how in childhood and early adolescence I sometimes became acutely aware of the existence of the HS. Frequently I would spend sometimes several hours at nighttime out in the open simply watching all the stars, and reflecting on how vast their expanse was and on the fact that even that was only a drop in the bucket, if not less, within the infinity that I somehow knew was there. How ridiculous, how meaningless all my petty concerns seemed against that backdrop.

[TraineeHuman]

The ego-oriented outlook versus the HS-oriented one: I strongly feel it’s appropriate to say more, no holds barred, folks, of the real truth about this subject. We seem to have a number of members who are ready not just to read about it, but to make it happen now – to some smallish degree or to a much greater degree. As far as I’m concerned, if most Forum members truly appreciated the significance of what I’m talking about, they’d be lining up just for the chance to read it (or similar information written by no doubt any of quite a number of various others).

One of the big differences is that the ego is very focused on the physical body and, particularly, whatever that body’s nerves are feeling and demanding so loudly all the time. The HS puts its interest in many other things – though as I’ve stressed, I recommend keeping yourself grounded to and with Gaia’s energies often. The emphasis there is on Gaia’s energies, though, not the body.

During astral travel/projection, and in meditation, we become significantly detached from and tuned off from our physical body. This is one way that OBEs are a great metaphor for and introduction to the HS’s outlook on things. The HS is much. much less affected by physical pleasure or pain. This why, for example, Christian would-be mystics used to flagellate themselves. They knew some details about some great Christian meditators who had really made it (like John of the Cross, say, whose physical body didn’t decay even centuries after death). They knew that such individuals were almost beyond pleasure and pain, so why not supposedly imitate them, the hard way? Actually, there’s more than that behind self-flagellation. The idea would have been to suffer so much pain that eventually one becomes indifferent to whether what they’re experiencing is pleasurable or painful. That certainly is one gateway to the HS. It’s also why Eastern fakirs and sword-swallowers and others subjected themselves to great physical pain also.

Get (largely) beyond physical pleasure and pain, and what you’ll find lying deeper underneath is pure bliss. In all my experience of the HS, everything there is about bliss, about pure delight. Not a bad trade-off for leaving physical pleasure behind. And you can still enjoy that favorite dish occasionally anyway then, because it won’t hold a candle to bliss once you’ve really found it. But instead of torturing yourself physically for years, why not use OBEs and meditation instead to get there? Be kind to yourself. Meditation and OBEs can train you in what the HS is like, and unlike.

By comparison with the HS, the ego runs only “in series”, only in one-dimensional strands, while the HS, like the universe, runs “in parallel”, meaning in all directions at once. The ego lives in the world of “the human condition”, which is the ego condition. It’s a world of constant entanglement of one’s own making, of continually being out of step with everything else, of constantly being one-eyed, offended by everything – and even at its very best times, utterly imperfect.

The great paradox is, we know there must be something inside us that’s deeper than that. Certainly we know it if we’ve had even a small glimpse. Unlike the Richard Dawkinses of the world, we then know that it’s our true home. We know it’s awfully greater and more delightful than the superficial existence that passes for “normal”.
It watches us and smiles at our pleasures and pains, rather like a parent watching a small child keep falling over as it attempts to learn to walk. The HS is so different, it’s very difficult to describe to someone what it’s like. It’s not this, not that. Actually, one of its qualities is that it’s free to change its point of view at the drop of the hat. They say it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind. But (ignoring the sexism for now) even more so it’s the HS’s, and only in a good way. You can’t “make” the HS feel sorrow, or defeat, or anything negative. It can meet all such things with a perfect indifference, or with joy, if it chooses to; or even with both of those at the same time.

I’ll continue this in a future post soon.

[Eagle Eye]

Hi TraineeHuman, first I want to say that I'm impressed by your thread and your contribution in this forum. Don't get me wrong if my first post in here is about criticism but I just want to clarify some doubt. I've read so many dreams experiences from other members and every time you try to explain what their experience was about. Everyone has an different perception of the reality, different experience, different life, how can someone put all experiences in one bag and try to explain it by their perception. I think this will do more damage than good because your changing an individual dream lesson with someone's other perception.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by Iceberg (here)
Hi TraineeHuman, first I want to say that I'm impressed by your thread and your contribution in this forum. Don't get me wrong if my first post in here is about criticism but I just want to clarify some doubt. I've read so many dreams experiences from other members and every time you try to explain what their experience was about. Everyone has an different perception of the reality, different experience, different life, how can someone put all experiences in one bag and try to explain it by their perception. I think this will do more damage than good because your changing an individual dream lesson with someone's other perception.

Hi Iceberg! I can only speak for myself but I don't always fully understand something a dream is telling me right away because 'I can't see the wood for the trees' (or the trees for the wood sometimes either). Most often the thing I've missed becomes glaringly obvious when TraineeHuman (or someone else) offers an interpretation from a fresh perspective. TraineeHuman has a particular talent (and much more experience than me) for understanding the language of dreams because it is the same as the language of the Higher Self and as TH says it can only be understood through consciousness and not mind (which takes a bit of practice). So I don't think he's trying to push his point of view onto others because, you may notice, he is always most happy when he can guide someone into discovering the meaning of something first hand for themselves (dream or otherwise). Also I think that the only danger in dream interpretation for me would be if I interpreted my own dream from a faulty, ego perspective, and therefore lost the message entirely.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi, Iceberg. Thank you very much for your comments. I agree with everything AwakeInADream said in response to your post. I do my best to proffer “interpretations” that are as open-ended as possible. And of course the person involved is free to reject anything that doesn’t ring true to them.

I admit I place some reliance in being what all the most accurate clairvoyants I’ve met describe as a genuinely professional level clairvoyant. I don’t claim to be quite as accurate as most of them. And clairvoyance does involve using the HS or consciousness (much the same thing).

There are many other things going on in the background. Because I’m at arms length from a person’s OBE/dream/bi-location whereas they’re not, in some ways I’m much better placed to look at the general gist of what it’s saying.

One major problem is that the ego sure does its best to resist and invalidate and misreport what a dream/OBE is saying. It happens to be the case (as Jung and many others have claimed long before me) that a dream/OBE is (or its contents are) nearly always a message from the HS, regarding whatever the person most needs to face right now. I do feel it’s my duty of trust to state whatever that message seems to be, plainly but in the most general terms I possibly can. That can be tough, because the person can always reject that part of my “interpretation” and thereby the whole point of the dream – as I believe has happened at least once or twice.

However, AwakeInADream, teradactyl, Freed Fox, and a number of others are enormously open, very courageously so, when it comes to this. That stands them in great stead. Being sincerely open to what the HS has to “say” is probably the best and quickest way to free oneself of the ego. There are various other members who probably don’t have OBEs or vivid dreams at all, or rarely so, but they’re equally as open. A great lesson and inspiration to anyone else.

I’m also trying to help people see what a roughly accurate interpretation of their specific message from their HS would look like. This is so that people can slowly (or quickly) develop the ability to interpret their own dreams/OBEs/intuitions accurately. Not a bad ability to have. To quote a saying of Jesus:
”It’s easier to push a camel through the eye of a needle” than it is to do this. But people are doing it.

In addition, as Awake says, I have experience in interpreting dreams and OBEs and certain other things. Moreover, I’m certainly not the only one who’s discovered that most – and usually nearly all, if not all – of the characters in a dream are aspects of yourself or of your life’s “story” as seen wholly through your eyes. This is what all fairy tales are about. Small children accept them because they’re too young to know that OBEs aren’t a completely natural thing.

Plus, there are some twenty or thirty dream symbols that have a universal meaning. Still, I find the individual person always has a much fuller understanding of how such a universal meaning applies to them specifically. Although Awake has managed to share in huge detail, I’m not likely to understand off hand why he’s having a particular OBE today, and why he’s having it in relation to, say, his father or whoever, and what that specifically means to him in the circumstances of his life right now, or subconsciously, and what sorts of specific problems it should help him solve.

Above all, vivid dreams and OBEs are a major variety of “the voice of the HS”, and I’m interested in doing what I can to expose members to examples of that in a general way.

May I add that I first joined the old Camelot/Avalon Forums a little over five years ago. Back then and after, I was initially skeptical that “word words words” alone could facilitate major change in people for the better. But from my experiences, I guess mostly with this thread, I’ve learnt that it can happen.

It can also happen on a more minor level because good information can facilitate a person’s changing or expanding their points of view. Such a change alone can be enough to enable anyone to “tune in” more to the HS’s perspective, and that alone becomes something truly major.

Because I work usually forty hours or more per week as an employee, I don’t have he time to make many of my posts particularly entertaining. But it turns out it seems enough to just give people some true information.

Even though all the future and past are present in the eternal Now, the contents of the Now (including the past and the future) keep getting changed in every moment. That’s until we are so fully in the HS and Source that we are totally beyond time as we know it.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
For instance, I can remember everything that happened in my childhood, back to year zero (and before, in the womb and even in conception). Each memory like this casts everything in your past in a new and quite different light to what you had up till then thought.

People in our family have their reasons for pulling the wool over our eyes in different ways when we're very little, and we also define too much of our worth in terms of how well we please our parents by delivering what we think they want. Most people can remember little or nothing that happened in the first four years of their life, though I would hope that the people here are doing much better than that.

If you had all the relevant insights that I’m talking about regarding your mother, for example, then you would be able to understand her and yourself sufficiently that you wouldn’t have a problem about seeing her and you’d be at least reasonably successful in helping her get a series of at least small insights that would be causing changes for the better inside her.

i cannot remember much from when i was younger. i remember specifically when i was maybe 1.5-2yrs old crawling under the table after my cat, and my dog was following behind me. but thats it.

i have been recalling specific interactions between me and my mom growing up. if anything, they do help improve my own parenting skills thousand-fold.

i also see what you are saying about "understand her and yourself sufficiently that you wouldn’t have a problem about seeing her"; however, i suppose you would agree that malicious and insulting energy (vampire energy) is something to avoid if possible. im not quite apt to clear her energy, i would seriously say that she is surrounded(hitchhiker) by negative energy. she is very venomous, where as her words can be sweet, but they sting. and from a distance, she is vicious. i find that distance is necessary for me at this time.
on another note, i feel like she does lighten up around my daughter. but thats it.


{dream description} i had a dream the other night. to be short, i was looking in a mirror, and i was looking through my hair, and saw tips of worms sticking out a bit, like their tail as though they were burrowing into soil. i started pulling them out one at a time, and there were 3 total (garden looking worms) that successfully were pulled out of my scalp by myself. they were on different locations on my head. sort of like a triangle if i could remember any shape at all. maybe theres no shape, but they were on the top of my head where you can see through your hair a bit/hairline(s), not on the sides of my head.

the night prior, i did a self negative energy healing, where you visualize yourself in front of a mirror and pull the negative energy out where you see it and hand over the dark energy/soul to an (arch)angel who is there to help.

i suppose that is what i did in dream land? maybe my HS took over and helped me finish?

[Joe Akulis]

"The ego is just a temporary stage, a chrysalis.
The butterfly that it is meant to turn into is a point into which the Divine itself concentrates itself.
When I say the ego needs to lose its influence over us, that’s because it needs to be transformed into the HS ultimately.

In spite of this transformation, this magnificent total reversal and transcendence, the butterfly doesn’t fly away somewhere else. It remains in this world of duality, where its task – our task – is to help gradually transform the dualistic, limited world itself through being in it."


This is what some people don't seem to catch on to, when they make comments about looking forward to graduation and getting free, i.e., breaking from the bonds of karma/enlightenment/not having to reincarnate anymore. They make it sound like they will be outta here and never come back. I don't think people who talk like this have grasped the potential that we have here, with this planet. I guess that's partly because they don't know yet just what kinds of capabilites they have hidden away yet, and just what kinds of effects we can have on this world, and the way we live on this world, as we develop those capabilities, and the veil is taken away. In the future, I see Earth as a place where people will be dying to return to. Not to escape from.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
"The ego is just a temporary stage, a chrysalis.
The butterfly that it is meant to turn into is a point into which the Divine itself concentrates itself.
When I say the ego needs to lose its influence over us, that’s because it needs to be transformed into the HS ultimately.

In spite of this transformation, this magnificent total reversal and transcendence, the butterfly doesn’t fly away somewhere else. It remains in this world of duality, where its task – our task – is to help gradually transform the dualistic, limited world itself through being in it."


This is what some people don't seem to catch on to, when they make comments about looking forward to graduation and getting free, i.e., breaking from the bonds of karma/enlightenment/not having to reincarnate anymore. They make it sound like they will be outta here and never come back. I don't think people who talk like this have grasped the potential that we have here, with this planet. I guess that's partly because they don't know yet just what kinds of capabilites they have hidden away yet, and just what kinds of effects we can have on this world, and the way we live on this world, as we develop those capabilities, and the veil is taken away. In the future, I see Earth as a place where people will be dying to return to. Not to escape from.

Very nice posting seeker1972. My eyes are still wet.

[Finefeather]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
"The ego is just a temporary stage, a chrysalis.
The butterfly that it is meant to turn into is a point into which the Divine itself concentrates itself.
When I say the ego needs to lose its influence over us, that’s because it needs to be transformed into the HS ultimately.

In spite of this transformation, this magnificent total reversal and transcendence, the butterfly doesn’t fly away somewhere else. It remains in this world of duality, where its task – our task – is to help gradually transform the dualistic, limited world itself through being in it."


This is what some people don't seem to catch on to, when they make comments about looking forward to graduation and getting free, i.e., breaking from the bonds of karma/enlightenment/not having to reincarnate anymore. They make it sound like they will be outta here and never come back. I don't think people who talk like this have grasped the potential that we have here, with this planet. I guess that's partly because they don't know yet just what kinds of capabilites they have hidden away yet, and just what kinds of effects we can have on this world, and the way we live on this world, as we develop those capabilities, and the veil is taken away. In the future, I see Earth as a place where people will be dying to return to. Not to escape from.

Hi seeker
Yes...very important lesson here...thank you.
We are not here to do a jail break and free the planet...we are here to realize that we are all basically seeking peace and harmony and love. By overcoming the old material self...transformation. We look forward to a time when we can be on this planet...with all it's beauty...the rivers...the seas...the mountains...the forests...the plants and flowers and animals...together with technology that can benefit us all and help us grow even further...and most of all to have fun and laughter and play as we enjoy each other...knowing we are true Spiritual Beings, filled with love and compassion for all of life.

OF course there will also be a time where each can choose to seek and pursue other interests elsewhere in the universe...which is our playground and our teacher as well as our home.
Take care and love to all
Ray