Seeds of Death: Unveiling The Lies of GMO's - Full Movie

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Paul I agree with your post 100%.

I doubt that . For example, I doubt that you support dismantling Monsanto.

Posted by blufire (here)
Pragmatically, because of the exponential growth of the global population there is literally no possible way . . . . and I mean NO POSSIBLE WAY . . . .for farmers to physically farm the hundreds of millions of acres that it takes to feed the billions of people they do.

The technology that Monsanto has provided as far as food(?) production enables a farmer to literally farm (at least) 10x the land he would be able to in the way farmers did 50 years ago.

Essentially, the way I read this:

• you are acknowledging that Monsanto has gained a dominant position in the world's food production (I agree),
• that the world's food production has increased dramatically over the last 50 years (again, I agree),
• that the production per farmer has increased even more dramatically (again, agreed),
• that these increases were essential to feeding the increased population of the world (yup),
• that Monsanto's dominant position was the sine qua non of these productivity increases (disagree),
• and that the poisoning of this planet, from bees to humans, is less important than continuing Monsanto's dominant position (disagree),
• because Monsanto's dominance is essential to continuing to feed humanity (disagree.)

I find other reasons for the increased productivity per farmer, such as replacing this

with this:

I find that Monsanto's continued dominance is not essential to the continued productive use of its worthwhile technology, but is essential to the continued destruction of this planet and of humanity by it's toxins.

Just because Monsanto has achieved this dominance does not mean its dominance over our civilization's food supply is essential to the continued productivity of that food supply.

Apparently you find Monsanto to be a necessary evil, whereas I find it to be a tool of the intolerably evil.

[ThePythonicCow]

In other words, blufire, it seems to me that you are claiming that

1. since food production increased dramatically, and
2. since Monsanto has a near monopoly on some of the pesticides and seeds used to produce food,
3. therefore Monsanto is essential to feeding humanity.

I don't buy that reasoning.

[william r sanford72]

as of yesterday we replanted an old vegi plot with alfalfa seed i bought off some ahmish folk north of here.they claim..its not gmo..dont no for sure.but it washed out first planting.i dont farm any more on any leval to earn an income.i also stopped selling honey reduced stock sold out.kept about 8 hives that i rob rarely.i am giving the land its rest.and bees protection.atleast in my spot.i am currently in observation mode.and i was needn a rest to.its a tough but good life here.i healed alot cause of the land.i owe as much back.thanks PAUL.

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by blufire (here)
Look I understand all of that (corruption and greed of politicians and people) but I choose not to get mired in that same story.

And yes famine still exists and growing with our changing climate but it is gmo food that is addressing both of these global problems and ONLY companies like Monsanto and subsidiaries.

All I know blufire is that down the road if Monsanto continues we all will be in great food trouble and have even more health problems, that of cause they (Monsanto) will call for grants to research for and or already have partial cures for, that is how I see Monsanto wan'ts our future.

Where the 3rd world will be by then I really fear!

Even now if we all lived on just enough food and stopped living like kings and or Size-Me-up fast food feeding we would be able to feed the 3rd world I bet!

Healing ground? I don't know any facts but I would rest the ground by PLANTING WEEDS and WILD FLOWERS, that would probably draw out the unwanted GMO problems! And give insects (Needed and none) a great boost like Bees's a big helping hand!!

[william r sanford72]

shoot i didnt even mention the poisoned water table...all this focus on just there seeds...and i forgot to mention the 2 wells we cant use without extnsive filtering.well we dont use em at all.not even for cattle.you all should stand over the top of em.get a whiff.WHEW!!

[grannyfranny100]

I don't accept that mega farming and monoculture crops are the only answer. Heifer International (www.heifer.org) is working miracles and transforming lives through out the world. I contribute to them at Christmas and they send announcements to my family members about my donation in their name. That's a better gift than the cheap junk I could send my family members, saves me high mailing fees and it makes them happy to be making a difference.

Heifer International is a global nonprofit with the goal of ending poverty and hunger in a sustainable fashion. Established in 1944, Heifer International gives out gifts of livestock, seeds and trees and extensive training to those in need.

[northstar]

Posted by blufire (here)
I will listen to activists or organizations when I see them relating all the information on gmo food pro and con and supportive info in each of those categories and along with practical ways for individuals to respond and be proactive . . .

blufire thank you for responding.

My experience with herbs and farming is very new - I have 2 years of herbal studies and 1 year of minimal gardening experience.

However, I do know that mankind is facing perilous times at this point in our evolution. Each person fights their own fight in their own way. Some people learn a lot about banking and provide information for the "little guy" to survive economically. Some people learn about survival issues and they practice and learn and share their expertise with others. Some people learn about water issues and report on how giant corporations are currently planning to privatize and control the world's drinkable water (for purely "humanitarian" reasons, of course *sarcasm*).

I have taken up the banner of the world's bees, which are being rapidly made extinct by the toxic chemicals produced by Bayer, Sygenta and by GMO crops which are literally killing the world's bees.

I will add a personal note here. Two years ago I met a husband and wife team who keep bee hives along bio-dynamic principles. They are extremely spiritual people and how I got in contact with them is a very strange story (it is so strange that I am sure most people would have a hard time believing it) I met the beekeepers and they spent many hours explaining their small bee operation and they also explained the dark and evil role that the large GMO corporations are playing in the ongoing and systematic bee genocide.

That experience changed me. Up until then the "bee problem" was just something I saw in the news occasionally. Now it became personal for me. I took up the banner of the bees and that quickly led me to Monsanto.

You say we need to look at the pros and cons of GMO foods.

There are no "pros" here, unless you count the unrestrained iron control of the world's food supply by a private corporation that has committed numerous crimes against humanity in recent memory.

I like critical thinking. I take a skeptical stance toward all information. I look at both sides carefully. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that Monsanto and the other private corporations that are systematically making the world's bees extinct are doing so for unholy profit.

In addition, my friends the bio-dynamic beekeepers told me information about the role of Monsanto and other GM corporations that chilled me to the core. I will not convey that information here but it is extremely dark and ominous.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee now and STOP the current American government from allowing Monsanto to write their own tyrannical laws. People who like eating healthy food and who want their children to grow up without organ damage and tumors need to get very loud and noisy about GMOs, and the sooner the better.

[grannyfranny100]

Heifer International offers bee keeping options as well as the ones I mentioned above.

So many articles talk about building sustainable small neighborhood communities. But we seem to forget that advice whenever we (David) are facing a (Goliath) corporation. Sheer size intimidates us and puts us back into zombie acceptance.

[ceetee9]

Posted by blufire (here)
90 to 95% of the global grains (rice, wheat, corn, soy beans, etc ) are genetically modified.

So I would say that it is not hard to understand that if 90 to 95% of the food produced globally is genetically modified then this is what is feeding the world and unless you are growing your own food (as I do) then you are eating genetically altered food and using products made from those sources.

Please excuse me if I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems you are saying that GMO food is not good enough for you (as you grow your own, presumably, non-GMO food), but it's good enough for all those poor third-world people. If given the chance (I believe) few people would prefer GMO foods to organic foods and, if that is the case, then why aren't you asking why WE (all of us) allow GMO foods to exist in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to stop producing GMO foods and go back to producing healthier organic foods for everyone to eat? Or do you buy the argument that it would be impossible to provide the world with sufficient food unless they are GMO-based foods? I wonder who might benefit by making such a claim? Do you think it might be the people who have a vested interest in controlling the world's food sources?

[blufire]

Yes . . .Monsanto and gmo food is a necessary evil and conundrum.

For the very FACT that if this ‘food’ did not exist for those who are not able, do not want, do not have the means or knowledge or the environment/climate to grow their own food then they would starve. Period.

And for the very FACT that no other corporation is working to create any other means to feed the world’s population . . . .and they aren’t because it is not possible . . . . see my post #17. Period.

Grannyfanny . . . all those little heifers, goats and pigs that are sent to third world countries . . . .most (not all) end up on people’s dinner plates because they do not have the means to continue to feed such a large animal and they are hungry. Heifer International is making millions from guilt ridden 1st world humans.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Yes . . .Monsanto and gmo food is a necessary evil and conundrum.

That's essentially the "Too Big To Fail" argument, applied to our food chain . That argument leads to the same massively bloated and deeply corrupted institutions as it does in central banks and federal governments.

Just because Monsanto has a dominant position in humanity's seed and pesticide supplies, does not mean that whatever Monsanto puts in those seeds and pesticides is necessary or beneficial for humanity (or other life on earth.)

Nor, for that matter, should humanity allow any one corporation (which are essentially immoral institutions) such a dominant position in any critical aspect of civilization.

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Put another way, essentially you're telling us that Monsanto is blackmailing us, that we have to tolerate their eugenics program because we'd starve otherwise.

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To hell with Monsanto. They must be dismantled. Whatever elements of their technology really are beneficial must be made widely available to all humanity, without perennial license fees, and whatever is harmful to humanity and the rest of life on this planet must be purged.

[blufire]

Then how do we start this Paul? How?

How do ‘we’ dismantle something as huge and ingrained into our entire world’s way of living as corporations such as Monsanto?

ALL I ever here are posts such as yours, with no practical or pragmatic way to do anything different.

This is because there is none . . . . . because you are trying to ‘solve’ something from their playground and their rules and their way of life. And just try to rip away everything that massive corporations provide to Americans and other 1st world countries . . . it . . ain’t . . gonna . . happen.

Each and every one of us has a CHOICE in how we live our lives . . . everyone.

Most choose to be taken care of in a world created by massive corporations and they make fortunes by providing this ‘service’ of that person’s choice.

Others (like me) choose not to live in that world or at least in my case I live almost self reliant and utilize the ‘other world amenities’ to my benefit. Things like this computer and Hughes.net satellite service.

I used to live very well on a high 6 figure income. Very well. I saw the shallowness and illusion of this way of life. I left it . . . hook line and sinker and didn’t bring any of it with me. I live very simply and am incredibly happy and at peace.

If you notice how many posts I have made in the over 2 years I have been on Avalon . . .very few compared to most members and this is because I don’t have the time to sit on the computer for hours at a time. Like right now I need to go take care of my evening chores. After chores I will most likely sit outside and watch the stars twinkle on and listen to the night come awake. My evening entertainment.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Then how do we start this Paul? How?

How do ‘we’ dismantle something as huge and ingrained into our entire world’s way of living as corporations such as Monsanto?

ALL I ever here are posts such as yours, with no practical or pragmatic way to do anything different.

I personally don't know how, entirely. Some people and nations are taking some steps, including mandating labeling of GMO ingredients in food products, and refusing to allow the import of suspect products (such as Japan and Thailand rejecting, or considering rejecting, US wheat.) Other people are running long term tests on the health impact of GMO foods (despite apparent and considerable resistance from Monsanto.)

What I, personally, am doing is supporting such efforts by what I write here, and resisting what seem to me to be flawed defenses of Monsanto, such as I am doing here and now.

There is a difference between saying something should not be done, and saying I, personally, don't entirely know how.

I don't think it is helpful to say we should not dismantle Monsanto because we'd starve otherwise. Yes, a sudden and complete destruction of Monsanto and all it's product is almost surely the wrong thing to do. More considered action is required.

But as with the Too Big To Fail (TBTF) central banks and federal governments, and as with a metastasized cancer in one's body, one cannot just order the surgeon to "cut it all out - now!". That does NOT however mean that we must necessarily adopt the position that TBTF institutions, or cancers, are essential, or even to be tolerated.

[ThePythonicCow]

Some, such as Vandana Shiva of India, are doing far more to oppose Monsanto, GMO in our food supply. For their efforts, I am grateful.

[blufire]

Vandana Shiva of India, is this person just opposing or are they coming up with solutions for mass food production that is healthier for humans??

There is plenty of opposition. Lots and lots of opposition and whinning and crying.

Many saying Hell no . . . no gmo!

But the same are still holding their hands out saying gimme!

Instead of learning to fish they are still looking for that cheap hand out fish.

Teach a man to fish and he will never be hungry, give a man a fish and he will be satisfied for the day. Monsanto is handing out fish. I am saying learn to fish and feed yourself and those you care about and need your help.

This is the way we oppose and defeat Monsanto. One person at a time and one community at a time.

But there will be vast amounts of people who CHOOSE to live in the illusion and easy life of corporation created life style.

If you chose it then don’t whine about it. I would bet the farm that 90% or more that are on Avalon or come to read as a guest is still living fully or mostly under a Monsanto created world.

Does this make them a bad person or an unawake person or less a human . . .NO! It only means they choose this way to live. It is easier. It holds nice things. It holds lots of toys and distractions. They like it. I do not. . . .not any more.

Monsanto has no hold over my food source and each person I encourage to either learn to grow their own food, form a community garden or learn to counteract the side effects of gmo food is balm for my soul.

I am not in a battle with Monsanto . . . I choose not to fight, because it is a battle of futility and stupidity.. Does this mean I am defeated? Hell No! It means I choose not enter a war that they have designed for failure on our part. Sun Tzu Art of War must be their preferred reading material on strategy . . . I have taken their cue.

Acknowledge. Choose and then Adapt.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Vandana Shiva of India, is this person just opposing or are they coming up with solutions for mass food production that is healthier for humans??

From a Google search for "Vandana Shiva of India": Environmental activist Vandana Shiva has been working to build an organic agriculture movement across India for the past 22 years. (www.worldwatch.org/node/6189)

Were you really curious as to what Vandana Shiva of India was doing, or were you just raising, again, your criticism of opposing without solutions?

Posted by blufire (here)
This is the way we oppose and defeat Monsanto. One person at a time and one community at a time.

Ah - so you do NOT think Monsanto is necessary? You do oppose Monsanto, and you're just discussing how best to proceed?

... could'a fooled me .

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)
Yes . . .Monsanto and gmo food is a necessary evil and conundrum.

For the very FACT that if this ‘food’ did not exist for those who are not able, do not want, do not have the means or knowledge or the environment/climate to grow their own food then they would starve. Period.

Hi blufire,

Have you ever seen proof of this? Everything I read (and no, I'm not reading Monsanto's literature, so I don't see their agenda-driven propaganda) says that there are no benefits AT ALL for humans, in GMO seeds. I understand that, over the years, farmers can - by natural (human) seed selection and hybridization - select seeds that are more drought tolerant, or tolerant to specific fungal attacks, etc., but from what I have read, the promise of drought resistant GMO seeds proved to be so false that it triggered a collapse of thousands of small farms in India, leading to an unprecedented rate of farmer suicides.

I still have seen nothing that makes me believe the GMO strains have ever lived up to ANY promise - other than these two:

1.) GMO seeds designed to withstand glyphosate (Monsanto's own Roundup)
2.) GMO seeds designed to create bT toxin

In the first case, that is a marketing ploy to force farmers to buy the Monsanto Roundup. (It has also begun to backfire, creating "superweeds". It also puts glyphosate toxin in the food supply.)

In the second case, the toxin kills insects, and does some of the same damage to humans. This stuff is not benign in humans, and as more studies appear, more damage will be seen. People want to discredit the French researcher Seralini because he "guessed/knew" in advance that he would find GMOs carcinogenic, but to be fair, most researchers have a hypothesis they are trying to prove when they conduct research. The research was clear that GMOs cause cancer, and glyphosate causes cancer.

The 30-year Rodale study proved that farmers (large-scale, not just gardeners) can grow food organically at the same price as conventional. That is an astounding fact, and really is what we should be trumpeting.

(I know I'm preaching to the choir, but allow me to note) Growing food organically means the soil is alive. Trillions of microorganisms in the soil that not only break down organic matter into forms that plants can take-in, but (this was news to me - I found this out just last year), the microorganisms are also responsible for breaking down inorganic matter (small bits of rock) and releasing the micronutrients from them, making compounds that are "bio-available" for plant uptake. This is HUGE! Not to be discounted. Yet another extremely important reason to farm organically. Another study I saw this past year showed that "conventional" food, grown using inorganic salts for fertilizers had much less nutrients - both micronutrients and macronutrients. So, even though the "conventional" food item may be bigger, it is still not as nutrient dense as the organic counterpart. This was shown to be even more dramatic in the micronutrients (and even though that particular study did not conclude why, we now know that the microorganisms acting to release micronutrients from tiny rocks is the key.

As far as I know, Monsanto made false claims about their GMO seeds having any actual benefits "to feed the world's poor." If you have seen (non-Monsanto funded) research that GMO seeds actually will feed the world, I'd love to read them. And, we both know that statistics can be used to exaggerate, so no matter what any study says about GMO seeds being tougher than carefully selected drought and/or pest resistant heirloom or stable hybrid seeds (if there is such a study), the truth is that when anyone grows the GMO seeds optimized for pesticide and herbicide use, they are committing microorganism murder in the soil, and guaranteeing that the crops will be less macronutrient dense and MUCH less micronutrient dense. Add to that the toxins ingested by humans and other animals, and the toxins that runoff into streams...

The GMO seeds would essentially need to be super-hybrids, truly engineered to grow when no other seeds would grow in the same climatic conditions, as well as to be designed to be grown organically, for them to be superior to regular organic seeds. If humans (or whatever, I don't want to go into a climate change debate here) succeed in significantly altering the climate and make it difficult for ANY heirloom seeds or stable hybrids to grow, then Monsanto might have a niche - if they actually did what they said they would do.

I truly believe that starvation is a geopolitical problem, a resource problem (water and seeds), and an education problem (lack of understanding of creating microorganism-rich soil, crop rotation, organic pest control, etc.) It is also done deliberately as eugenics/genocide. The US could take half of its military budget and help create an organic food abundance in every corner of the world. My government lacks the will, and the military industrial complex could care less about starvation.

Dennis

[Dennis Leahy]

Wow, I am such a slow typist!

Having read the past few posts, I want to add that there are literally MILLIONS of people who cannot make their own food choices. Millions of incarcerated, millions of institutionalized, most people in hospitals, most kids in schools, and those too young to have any clue and can only trust that what they are given is healthful. Invariably, these millions of people eat (are fed) the lowest common denominator in the food silos. If those millions of mouths are not enough to compel us in our compassion to make sure they are fed nutrient-dense organic food, then we should add the millions that have legitimately been baffled by the US government permitted (even sponsored!) propaganda/lies that say GMO food and food adulterated with toxins is safe and healthful.

Many millions of people still believe the FDA and USDA are citizen-centric watchdog organizations (and believe that those of us who say otherwise are conspiracy theorists.) This is not just a matter of some adults that understand what they are doing to themselves, have control over their food choices, who know better and eat junk food, GMOS, and other toxins anyway.

We really do need to be our brother's keeper, and protect the other life forms on this planet. It is our sacred duty.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
We really do need to be our brother's keeper, and protect the other life forms on this planet. It is our sacred duty.

Well said, Dennis.

[CdnSirian]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CYNUOZpIOUY

Aquaponics may be the only way the food industry can be localized. I'm not sure about how it could be applied to grains - though rice already grows in water...maybe there is potential here? The system has a range from house to backyard to farm size.

I'm neither a gardener nor a farmer and don't mean to offend anyone's sensibilities.