A ROTHSCHILD SPEAKS OUT (May 29, 2013)

[dpwishy]

The fact that she did not know that Crowley created the thoth tarot was the sealer for me. She claims to be indoctrinated in Crowley to the fullest and learned in Tarot, yet has never even heard of one of his biggest achievements? Most of Crowleys knowledge comes from old Grimores and magical/hermetic texts. A lot of the knowledge he had, if not most, came from old translations of books. Especially ones that Mathers from the order of the golden dawn translated. What I am trying to explain here is this, most of all of Crowley works are revivals of old systems that have been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Yet the original thing he created, the thoth tarot, which took him something like 5-6 years to complete, is unheard of to her? There is so much information on each card, it is a treasure trove of occult knowledge in plain sight. Crowley made Frieda Harris paint some of these cards 7-8 times to get them perfect, things down to the very colors have HUGE significance. Nothing matches it in my opinion, yet she has never heard of it? I would consider this one of Crowleys greatest achievements, yet she has no idea of it and is studied in Crowley? I don't know about that one, my b.s alarms went off hardcore.

[Padmé]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
her son being whipped and told he was Jesus to break his spirit and prepare him for his use here,

This part jumped out at me too...

From apx 0:28-0:30 (ish)

Also interesting that she claims to not read up on these things as to not cloud her experience yet also declares that Kerry has interviewed the person who was her sons handler, abductor, torturer... so she must be doing some research right?

[Wind]

Posted by conec (here)
Wind (or anyone)
Do you think you could give a description of points in the interview where her body language was giving her away as not being truthful?
I would love to gain a better understanding, it would be really helpful.

Well, for example in the 06:30 part she smiles about her experience, even though it is supposed to be a painful one to her. That's just one of the parts that didn't make sense. I don't want to prove that she is lying, but I just want that people would use more discernment. I've been dealing with many people who looked at me right in the eye while they told me about something which actually just existed in their imagination. They really believed in what they were talking about, that's why they were so convincing.

Many people like that seem to be convincing and charming people. Usually just looking at someones eyes tells me everything about them and they don't have to say anything, but their body language just confirms more what they are really about. It's just something that can't be faked. I wish that people would automatically tell the truth. My habit of telling the truth as it is has often got me into trouble so I had to learn to suppress myself. Politiicians are really good at making lies or white lies.

Often the choice not to tell the whole truth is more polite towards others, it seems.

[frozen alchemy]

That's very interesting, dpwishy. Is there anything else you can add/conjecture? I have almost no knowledge about Crowley except for having met someone at one point who was fascinated with the man. I backed away from that relationship rather quickly when I found out, there was something menacing about both him and the strong interest in Crowley...

Is it possible that as a small child when around Crowley she wasn't exposed to the tarot, it was hidden from her, something along those lines?

In these kind of interviews I'm always wishing, if not mentally demanding, some kind of proof. You can switch dimensions?! Kewl! Do it now!! You've met with dozens of aliens? Ever get a picture or two of the ones that don't look exactly like humans?

Like the recurrent Tolec interviews, much vague information is given but never anything that an active imagination and some time spent with fantasy groups and science fiction books couldn't account for. The human imagination seems to know no limits, and every age seems to have its themes. Our theme lately seems to be Illuminati, aliens, transdimensionalism, etc. You know the drill and probably any of us given the motivation could sit down and give a fairly believable interview.

Meanwhile, we all hunger for 'true truth'. No matter how depressing, weird or whatever it might be, if we know we're working with reality, we can find ways of dealing with it or improving it. Are all these forums and interviews just noise for suckers and the overly credulous?

Happy Global Coastal Event Day, people...

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by conec (here)
The whole thing about moving between dimensions has me very confused. I would like to know more about that and the other Earth where there was peace.

Just throwing this out there, call it an educated guess maybe.

The human mind is the Mind of God. We can create anything we want. When we dream we go to the astral, and sometimes those dreams are more real and tangible than life itself. And with her programming, there's no telling what she can dream up. And I would imagine that a collective consciousness could do similar things that an individual one could.

The way I see it, these cabalists regularly communicate with their dead family members. That's how they keep the gig going so effectively over so many centuries and even millennia. Heck, they even have regular meetings with Satan himself every 28 years called the Feast Of The Beast.

When enough of humanity wakes up we will reach critical mass and it will be the end of the road for them. It doesn't even take a majority, only a relatively small percentage. That's the wonderful thing about our Universe. One person with light can help 100 others out of the darkness, but no amount of darkness can drown out the light.

[Wind]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)
When enough of humanity wakes up we will reach critical mass and it will be the end of the road for them. It doesn't even take a majority, only a relatively small percentage. That's the wonderful thing about our Universe. One person with light can help 100 others out of the darkness, but no amount of darkness can drown out the light.

That is true and actually we have been experiencing this dense darkness so that in the end we could appreciate the divine light even more. The light inside ourselves.

This is probably the lowest point that humanity has ever gotten into (well, the end of Atlantis was pretty bad), but it will get better. It just might get worse before it gets better, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. Always has been and always will be.

[turiya]

Just for the record, this is my take on this...

As far as what Erin Green Hicks is saying with regard to the Annunaki, the woman is repeating something that she truly believes... Conditioned to believe - like thousands of other people that have adopted this Annunaki story, this supposed 'fake' human history is believed to be true.

According to psychic healer, Chris Thomas, the Enki/Enlil/Anu Annunaki story is just a load of bullocks!

Its a made-up fake history of how human life began on this planet. It is, in fact, the Annunaki Plan, devised to confuse the human population of their true history & purpose of being here. It started with Zecharia Sitchin, who was himself a member of the Illuminati, as is obviously depicted from the the following video.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FZKke_uaQeo

According to Chris Thomas, the Akashic says that this made-up fictional Annunaki story was fed to a Sumerian tablet maker, so that centuries later it would be found by archeologists. Zecharia Sitchin was the guy that took on the work of translating this story. Amazingly enough, Bill Ryan has posted on this forum here that he & Kerry Cassidy knew another veteran researcher that knew Sitchin personally, and told them that his translations were actually the products of channeled information from an Annunaki entity.

Bill Ryan wrote:

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time.

From another thread,
Chris Thomas writes:

This is not to say that I think Zecharia Sitchin is complicit in the Annunaki plan. I believe him to be totally innocent in this. What Sitchin has done is to take a collection of clay tablets that are covered in cuneiform writing and translate them. His translations have brought the Annunaki story to light. What Sitchin has done is to honestly translate the writing on clay tablets that have been buried under the sands of what was ancient Sumeria for over 5,000 years.

Whilst Sitchin‟s earlier books appear to be straight forward translations of these tablets, there is a video available on YouTube (embedded above) that gives convincing evidence that Sitchin was “recruited” by the Illuminati and a change of emphasis is noticeable in his later books. Zecharia Sitchin died in 2010.

Chris Thomas explains further:

...the Annunaki have directed their attentions towards those who have political and financial control. In order to do this, the Annunaki took control of the Illuminati as soon as it was formed and made them believe that the Annunaki are their “creator gods” and that those who consider themselves to be the “Elite” of human society are Annunaki hybrids.

The Annunaki Plan

This fantasy version of human history we will call The Annunaki Plan. This plan works in two ways, both of which attacks and tries to force humans to forget The Human Plan, the story of human history, and follow the Annunaki Plan instead. This is its purpose. It might sound melodramatic or like the plot from a second- rate science fiction movie but it is happening and the biggest problem of all is that those who are in a position of power on Earth believe in this plan and are enforcing it upon the rest of the human population. This plan is also designed to come to fruition in 2012.

So what is this plan? (also see below [other thread]).

Really it is a story that tries to hide our true history and impose a different version of the development of human life on Earth. The problem is that many thousands of ordinary people, worldwide, are falling for this plan without realising its implications and are welcoming in the Annunaki. All of the recent requests for groups to meditate on a particular theme because it “helps the planet” or helps humans to “ascend” to a “fifth dimension”, have been designed to help the Annunaki to fulfil this plan of theirs and are of no benefit to the Earth at all or to humans.

Don't get me wrong... I am sure the woman went through some hell, where many of us have also been. Kerry's interview certainly makes for good drama, but would suggest to take what this woman says with a grain of salt & perhaps a pinch of garlic.

Obviously, the Illuminati agenda is running behind schedule.


turiya

[provolon]

Do we have to BELIEVE or NOT-BELIEVE?? white/black?

Why don't we listen and bring any good info that can help us be better person? It helped me to have a more open mind (more than the videos I already seen)

I have never seen a video where they say they regress to the age of being a baby again in another dimension, now if that's not true? why not? technology is amazing and there is a lot of secret technology

[Hervé]

From another perspective, it seems these illuminati are under the complete control of an R6 type implant and are either its originators, full blown dramatizing/enacting it or heavily restimulating/triggering it in others.

The pudding:

• Sexual abuse of children
• Depopulation
• "Crucifixion" and "being" Christ
• Sacrifices
• Psychiatrists/inquisitors
• God, devil, etc...
• Space opera
• R6 symbols plastered all over the planet's MSM
• Add your own...

[TargeT]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
From another perspective, it seems these illuminati are under the complete control of an R6 type implant and are either its originators, full blown dramatizing/enacting it or heavily restimulating/triggering it in others.

I haven't kept up with that Ra thread, frankly too much there to even jump in (for me anyway)

That post (as out of context as I am) was highly difficult to read, the material almost meaningless due to my lack of knowledge on the subject.

people stored on frozen alcohol and glycol, boxes moving everywhere, explosions, ... wow...

some of it made sense ( I didn't watch the video, just read the text) but a lot of it seems very fantastical.

Your glossary listed:

R6
1. a clearing process through which the R6 bank is disabled and rendered ineffective

2. short for “R6 bank” which is held together mostly by Incident I, II and III.
R6 BANK

1. a slang term designating the Reactive Mind.

This doesn't seem accurate when reading the text, there has to be a different definition for R6, (the context of R6 in LRH's interview seems to suggest that anyway), can you clarify?

[Hervé]

Posted by TargeT (here)
[...]
Your glossary listed:

R6
1. a clearing process through which the R6 bank is disabled and rendered ineffective

2. short for “R6 bank” which is held together mostly by Incident I, II and III.
R6 BANK

1. a slang term designating the Reactive Mind.

This doesn't seem accurate when reading the text, there has to be a different definition for R6, (the context of R6 in LRH's interview seems to suggest that anyway), can you clarify?

R6 stands for "Routine 6" which is the "Routine" (as in computer language) used to dismantle and clear that particular implant.

By extension it also describes what is being cleared and that's the content of the implant itself.

The "bank," as in "Memory Bank" (computer language) is that part of the unconscious/subconscious where that particular incident was implanted.

An implant could be as simple as a post-hypnotic command of rolling on the floor, barking, every time someone scratches his/her nose. No conscious action there, only a stimulus response that bypasses any rationality and it is instant.

Hence the overall term of "Reactive" bank/mind which is the stimulus response make up of a human being; no rationality nor decency involved (but a lot of "rationalizations"/justifications put out to explain the behaviour) and what 9e9 describes as people getting their knickers in wads.

So, when LRH mentions a helicopter taking 2-3 days to crash when running an incident... the incident is not a real one but an implanted one.

An implant makes one "dramatize" its content, i.e. "rolling on the floor barking," and the "dramatization" of the R6 implant content as well as how it originated and how it was done is what LRH described in that lecture...

The dramatization/enactment of the R6 implant is demonstrated by the entire US and Western current societies with their various religious factions (includes satanism... freedom of religion...), the IRS and taxes, eugenics, agenda 21, the various MKultra programs, space programs, Alternative 1,2,3, etc...

The religious portion of the implant has been dramatized on earth for eons and the crucifixions by the Roman Empire (dramatization)... lead to Catholicism triggering everyone for over 2000 years with crucifixes all over the place.

Now, thanks to Hollywood and SciFi, the "Space Opera" portion is being heavily restimulated/triggered into dramatization, "disclosure" to wit.

IMO, a real "disclosure" would need to include the unraveling of the R6 implant so that its dramatization could be made to stop and some rationality in handling space brothers and foes could finally be introduced.

[TargeT]

I think I have the "I don't have an implant" implant. haha

I'll have to read more of LRH's view on this I suppose at some point, he makes the R6's he speaks of sound like they were brought from else where and put here so we would be forced to re-inact them.

[Hervé]

Posted by TargeT (here)
I think I have the "I don't have an implant" implant. haha

I'll have to read more of LRH's view on this I suppose at some point, he makes the R6's he speaks of sound like they were brought from else where and put here so we would be forced to re-inact them.

LOL! That's similar to the overlays/screen memories many an abductee have to uncover first in order to get to the meat of what really happened.

Indeed, my understanding of the lecture was that some 50 to 70 billion people where "immigrated"/relocated to Earth in order to implant them at the conclusion of the total annihilation of the planet's life... dramatized with the current "Middle East" situation or with some ET race needing to relocate on Earth in order for their race to survive...

Taking into account Jiminii's input, the overall scheme seems to have been to get rid of individuals who had some "OT" powers left so they wouldn't interfere with their "Galactic Government" and keep those god-powerful individuals fighting each other within the confine of a puny planet (see Greek and other Mythologies as well as sorcerers, witches wars and any type of "witch hunts").

[TargeT]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Taking into account Jiminii's input, the overall scheme seems to have been to get rid of individuals who had some "OT" powers left so they wouldn't interfere with their "Galactic Government" and keep those god-powerful individuals fighting each other within the confine of a puny planet (see Greek and other Mythologies).

OT isn't in reference to the "Loyal Officers " that LRH was speaking of is it?

Keeping people here sort of implys that the idea of a "prison planet" is somewhat true, are we the nasties the rest of the universe fears?

or poor saps being manipulated by something (or is that an implant).

[dpwishy]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
That's very interesting, dpwishy. Is there anything else you can add/conjecture? I have almost no knowledge about Crowley except for having met someone at one point who was fascinated with the man. I backed away from that relationship rather quickly when I found out, there was something menacing about both him and the strong interest in Crowley...

Is it possible that as a small child when around Crowley she wasn't exposed to the tarot, it was hidden from her, something along those lines?

I doubt it, I mean I bought my Crowley deck in a store, it can be bought anywhere and is probably one of the most common decks. Anyone who has read or is learned in Crowley would be familiar with it, its impossible to get around. He has put out multiple books on it, and it is contained thoroughly throughout his writings and books.

As for Crowley himself, he is just an experience, a view point, as the lady in the interview talks about. Ill agree with this. I studied Crowley intensely for many years. I think its important when studying someone like this that you realize that the information they put forward and the person themselves are two different things all together. A hammer can be used to create or destroy, its not the tool that is creating or destroying, its the one wielding the hammer. I took this approach to studying Crowley and the occult for many years. I knew this was real and powerful stuff and ONLY studied, I never put it into practice. I wanted to know for sure what I was doing before I did anything. After a couple of years of studying I got to the point where I was ready to put it into motion. I started to do rituals and could noticeably see their effects. Right when I started to do this my higher self came to me and told me that it had me learn this stuff so I could understand how my reality works and is manipulated, but I was never supposed to actually "use" it. I was advised to stay CLEAR of Crowley and to not practice anything I learned. I was informed that it could lead me to "switch sides". I was told that if I wanted to continue in magic that I must create my own system, with my own rituals and stay clear from all others systems. That if I do not know the true and full intent of the system, which is impossible to know other than by the creator of the system, than I should never use or imply it.

All I can go by is my experiences and my viewpoint. Crowley is just an experience, just like anything else is. He may be for you, he may not. But I do know that he is not for me or my higher self wouldn't have instructed me on this. It knows whats best for ME and which timelines are best for me to navigate. For some reason my higher self did not want me to experience those aspects of my timelines. Ever since I made this stand against Crowley, I have been attacked in multiple different ways, at first they were offers or deal but as I declined they turned into attacks. I had an entity possess me in January and tried to program me to kill my fiance and my dog, it was the hardest spiritual battle of my life. Its made me feel like they thought I was on the fence and that I could be won over. Once they realized I made my stand, things got serious. At first I was offered gifts, material gains, powers (physical and occult), prestige, etc. Then I was asked by the creator of this reality (who is not the god of love) to make a deal with it. That if I agreed for my soul to stay in this reality for ever, it would auto pen the book I am writing through me. I declined once again and it mocked and laughed at me. Told me to have fun with my 80 grand in student loans, that I will be working a 9-5 for the rest of my life to slave for my debt. After the offers and deals stopped, the entities and psychic attacks started to happen.

[Fred Ryan]

Posted by Prodigal Son (here)

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by Fred Ryan (here)
I fully agree.

Some individuals are so traumatized by the horrific things that happen to them as children that they withdraw into a fantasy world. A world that is, for them, very real. The woman in this video needs help. She should never, however, have been presented as a creditable witness. Doing so was, at many levels, abusive and exploitive.

Project Camelot has, along with a long list of other sites, become a website that will do anything to drive traffic.

You said it bluntly, but I have to agree though I don't think that it was abusive to interview her. Some peope just want publicity and that's it. It does damage the alternative community though. Even I have become more discerning, earlier I used to believe almost everything. Now I take everything with a pinch of salt and sometimes with a spoon of salt.

I think that PC had a really high quality a few years ago, but the same just can't be said anymore. I really don't want to sound negative or offensive, but that's just how I see it. Usually I don't speak my truth, because it might hurt other people and that's the last thing that I want to do. Of course there always could be a chance that the person being interviewed was genuine, but that doesn't ring true to me in this case. And there have been many others who seemed to be ungenuine.

However, I still am very grateful for the earlier project camelot interviews, but I just prefer quality over quantity.

Years ago we did not have anywhere near the amount of propaganda and disinfo that we have today. It's been on the TV and radio since their inception, but the Internet is a public domain where everyone's voice can be heard. So its possible that in the past we had more quality and less quantity simply because the PTW are pulling out all the stops now.

I am grateful to PA and I think that anything like this should be posted because it is completely relevant to the larger picture at hand here. Project Avalon is evolving just like everything else. People are becoming more discerning and as we see on this thread many people are becoming very keen at breaking things down and analyzing them. This is a good thing. Devil's Advocates are a good thing too, as long as everything is done in taste. And I think that if a Rothschild spoke out for any reason and it wasn't posted here just for information purposes and for peer review it would be irresponsible and we would be a lesser group.

Hi,

The problem with presenting an individual's delusions on a public forum is that you open that individual for public ridicule. This kind of ridicule, for a fragile individual, could lead to a serious psychiatric “melt down”. This is why I believe it was abusive and exploitive.

On another subject, Project Camelot was instrumental in helping to open my eyes, for which I’m very much grateful. For years I visited this site on a daily basis, anxiously awaiting the upload of the latest video. Today, I rarely, if ever, visit this site. I guess this sums it up.

[Hervé]

Posted by TargeT (here)
[...]

OT isn't in reference to the "Loyal Officers " that LRH was speaking of is it?

Keeping people here sort of implys that the idea of a "prison planet" is somewhat true, are we the nasties the rest of the universe fears?

or poor saps being manipulated by something (or is that an implant).

My guess, only a guess at the moment, is that those "Loyal Officers" were the top-notch "OTs" of the era who probably ended up as Zeus, Jupiter, Thor, Odin, Merlin, Gandalf, etc... but many of the other "undesirable" were also "OTs" and creators to some degree.

From Jim's input, we are indeed the nasties no one wants to rub elbows with and, from the R6 LRH lecture as well as Alex Collier's friends, this sector of the universe was the quarantined "evil place" only renegades and space pirates would dare to settle in since our creative abilities has been turned into creating devils, gods, demons, angels, djinns, etc. on a reverse vector, i.e. on a "protest" basis.

Hence both seem to be true: nasties and manipulated.

[frozen alchemy]

One thing I did find out; apparently the Crowley tarot deck wasn't published until after both he and Lady Frieda, the painter of them, had died. I don't know if that makes any difference to assessing this woman's veracity or not. (Lord knows my father had projects I knew nothing about and he wasn't secretive at all. There was his interest in, shall we say, erotic art?, found when I inherited his library. And what exactly was he doing underneath the Studebaker all those hours...?)

Would it be possible for everyone on this forum to come to some sort of agreement/consensus about this and other interviews, ever? In looking back over the archives, it seems that everything like this just devolves at some point or another into an esoteric discussion, off-topic, and months go by without ever having an agreement come to pass amongst people on whether it's true or not... I was just looking at the thread, 'It's started' courtesy of the Hagmanns; same thing there. There's the still unclear Serpo (?) material. The 'Charles' material which apparently after great interest was determined to be a fraud although I've barely looked into that. It's gotten so if I see a subject that interests me, I jump to the end postings to see if it's worth my time...

I guess what I'm saying here is, although I will still do my due diligence and make up my own mind, it would be helpful if we were getting something slightly more useful than speculation from those with more experience in these matters sooner rather than months and months into a discussion. Otherwise, it's all just a mental circle jerk and time's a'wasting.

[norman]

First she was a Rothschild then she slipped and became a Rockefeller for a little while, then she lost her grip over the Tarot thingy,,,,

Some of here 'feel' was dodgy. Kerry was picking it up as time went on too, I think. Whenever she caught herself out with an illogical claim, she kept on resorting to her standard 'rescue' remedy which was to grab the handles around Kerry's persona and kind of head for the 'sand lane' together as 2 psychically adventurous women....... Then...... Kerry would ask another question and things would get back on some kind of manageable track, until the next time. By the 5th or 6th time, Kerry was beginning to nod slightly in the direction of having her leg pulled and very professionally wound it up just in the nick of time.

It reminded me quite a lot of the "Wood" guy's second interview with Kerry, but no where near as badly allowed to fall apart.

I dunno for sure about her, but if I was putting big money on a bet, I'd have to go with my gut instinct about her...... that she's either a complete loop job that's discovered a great crack to make the most of.... or... more likely.... she really is something to do with the Roths and has been primed to do as someone else suggested in this thread, to add to the craziness and confusion.

I simply can't get myself to believe her story.

That's not quite saying she's bull****ting, but very close.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I don't buy it.