Personal, controversial view of Monsanto, Globalists and Technology

[Sierra]

Posted by blufire (here)
A beginning postulate could be . . . . . If you remove all peripheral emotional information . . . Where is the billions of tons of grains and legumes (wheat, rice, corn, soy beans etc) produced annually and globally and that feeds every nation throughout the world coming from?

I think it is sort of like programming. Garbage in, then garbage out. What you sow, is what you reap. We don't have to put garbage in Mother Earth, courtesy of Monsanto and GMO.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
A beginning postulate could be . . . . . If you remove all peripheral emotional information . . . Where is the billions of tons of grains and legumes (wheat, rice, corn, soy beans etc) produced annually and globally and that feeds every nation throughout the world coming from?

Well, that's a question, not a postulate .

But, putting that detail aside, a substantial portion of the world's food is currently coming from crops grown using the seed and pesticide technology of Monsanto and allied companies, yes.

So ?

[gripreaper]

Posted by blufire (here)
Okay. Thanks for direction.

A beginning postulate could be . . . . . If you remove all peripheral emotional information . . . Where is the billions of tons of grains and legumes (wheat, rice, corn, soy beans etc) produced annually and globally and that feeds every nation throughout the world coming from?

A postulate would be: Monsanto directly feeds most of the people on this planet, and without their support, there would not be enough food to sustain 7 billion people. There is no other alternative to this claim.

Then, I would expect links and supporting evidence to back up this postulate. Then, I can go to those links, watch the video's and do my own research, so that I can take all of the available evidence and challenge it, support it, or reject it out of hand, using research, links, video's and evidence to support my counter thesis.

Yet, the onus is on you blufire to provide the necessary corroborating evidence to support your thesis. Afterall, this is your thread.

[phillipbbg]

"learned how to heal this side effect of gmo food. "

You can't HEAL a side effect. you need to discover and treat the CAUSE to PREVENT the side effect. All you do by treating the side effect is conceal the true cause or ILLNESS. YOU ARE NOT HEALING

This is a huge problem in modern society that has become addicted to the sensation of symptom removal (masking) methods through Pharmacology and the continued distancing from HEALING.

Please if you are going to make medical claims choose your words carefully.

[ulli]

Posted by blufire (here)
I
I am not supporting the agendas of either view because they are both flawed . . .I am striving constantly to find and maintain balance and clarity.

I oppose your continuing support of these lies here

I am 100% well aware and versed on the material that you (Paul) and Dennis and others are posting and agree with it (for the most part). But it is information and research that I studied in great depth MANY years ago.

You and Dennis and many others on this topic (I feel) are extremely polarized and not balanced on this massively important topic. Again . . . you are where I was about 10 years ago. Horrified, angry, frustrated scared, victimized, apathetic, and unreasonable.

Since my 180, I have worked steadily to remove my emotions and anger and have been for the last 2 or more years working hard to become more balanced and pragmatic. Through this journey a whole new understanding of our future has opened for me. Actually where I am today in my spirituality, knowledge and wisdom is a result of those encounters from my childhood.

In order for humanity to be able to achieve a future that we see exampled in Star Trek or The Venus Project it will be through fringe cutting edge science and technology.

This type of rapid advancement is not without many problems, struggles, angst and collateral damage. A VERY hard truth and reality. But what choice do we have?? Do we just sit on our collective assess and do nothing? Or I know!! we can wait for aliens to come down and hand over futuristic technology.

Those of us who are TRULY awake and see what the road ahead is fraught can adapt and prepare and teach. We will be the ones who provide a harbor during the next very turbulent, traumatic years . . . . until we get to that beautiful abundant world we desire and that the cutting edge science and technology of Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing.

It is up to each and every one of us (personally) to responsibly understand the good and bad of this journey humanity on a global scale is pioneering. Understand it. Make your choice. Prepare and adapt to make your road easier and healthier for yourself and those around you. The other choice is to suffer and be filled with anger, bitterness and hatred in what you feel is an attack on you personally.

And Paul . . . after reading this post (and thread) of mine and perhaps trying a little harder to understand where I am coming from you will understand me a bit more. I am NOT the average Avalon member . . . .I choose . . . do I just go along with the EASY general flow of Avalon and not make a difference or do I stand up for what I see and feel is Truth and what can actually make a difference.

Do I go along in the same sleepy rut as everyone else or do I attempt to knock a few out of this rut that is leading to the edge of a cliff?

If not and you still oppose who I am as a thinking, pragmatic, contributing human being and member of Project Avalon . . . .well then . . . . . you can push that magic admin eject button and unsubscribe me.

Excusing one cliff edge for another is what I believe caused this to become a controversial dialogue.
But then you did admit yourself that you open yourself to misunderstandings.
If I may say so....personal motives need to be examined carefully here.

There is a give-away in your comment above...which I have bolded, and which tell me that your expertise in farming
has made you vulnerable to not quite seeing the forest for the trees. There is such a thing as having too much knowledge.

What you perceive as "rapid advancement" could perhaps be an indication of your own spiritual surges at this time,
but instead of rising into an investigation of these inner processes as something that is happening to you on a personal level,
you project them out and perceive a controversial duality. Namely that of an anti-scientific solution movement versus big mass feeding solutions as were proposed by Monsanto.

Yet the anti GMO agenda movement is an alarm call and awakening to the huge corporate schemes
which were never disclosed in a transparent manner, have hidden objectives,
and are actually stimulating the possibly erroneous idea of "rapid advancement" of the planet today.

Slowing matters down again to nature's way of operation is an idea who's time has come,
at least until more is known and openly shared.
Showing people how to grow their own food on roof tops or vertical farms, if necessary,
that would be a better way to go than patenting seeds, and leaving indebted farmers destitute.

However, I do appreciate that you continue to question these issues.

[Hervé]

The crux of the matter coasted along with the industrial "revolution," that is, the manufacturing of products at low cost... forcing an economy on the artisans and craft people to "help" them disappear...

The above didn't get lost to the Rockefeller/Rothschild clique who followed through with getting rid of the "shopkeepers" with WW I & II. Forcing Russia to produce at lower costs than anybody else to bankrupt other nations... now it's happening with China.

Rockefeller also arm-twisted Stalin into selling Russia's crops at below market price... Holodomor ensuing... as well as the demise of small farmers who didn't follow the "economic" scheme of industrial farming driven by manipulated market prices.

So... here we are now... with a cabal driven Monsanto getting rid of the last significant land-owners and feeders of the world... and with the "help" of weather manipulations.

See this post <--- , this one <--- , this other one <--- and this one <---

The underlying, fundamental scheme in all of these is: "Get rid of the competitors."

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The above didn't get lost to the Rockefeller/Rothschild clique who followed through with getting rid of the "shopkeepers" with WW I & II. Forcing Russia to produce at lower costs than anybody else to bankrupt other nations... now it's happening with China.

Rockefeller also arm-twisted Stalin into selling Russia's crops at below market price... Holodomor ensuing... as well as the demise of small farmers who didn't follow the "economic" scheme of industrial farming driven by manipulated market prices.

From what I hear, they also did it earlier with the US midwest, in the late 1800's. Once sufficient rail, canals (the Erie canal), and shipping were in place, the lower cost wheat and corn from the American farmer put many a small European farmer out of business. It was the money of families such as Gould, Harriman, Hill, and Vanderbilt who built that transportation network. The infamous Robber Barons.

[blufire]

I can see the utter and complete futility of this thread.

We are all programmed and brainwashed and this colors every step we take along the journey.

Some are able to see bits of this colored programmed journey and begin to form new ideologies and philosophies.

Some have experiences from other lifetimes or encounters that change their entire view of the future and understanding of the past.

Some even manage to balance and put into proper perspective these new ideologies, philosophies, knowing and encounters.

I have come to believe I am one of these people. The odd thing is I don’t want to be one of these people.

I . . . .don’t . . . want . . . it

I have tried many years to reject and ignore who I am and the encounters I had as a child and teenager and now it appears as a 55 year old. Because I am remembering what I was shown and told in those long ago encounters.

So what do I do?

Do I just sit here in these beautiful magical mountains knowing what we as humanity are facing and what the future holds? Or do I share what I feel I know and have been shown?

Why would I share what I have been shown here on this forum? I have seen how others have been treated when they do. They come and share their knowledge and knowings and they are torn to shreds and rejected.

This is why I have not been very forthcoming.

That and because of the very polarized, negative, fearful and misconceived understanding and view of certain Beings.

So you guys tell me . . . . do I share what I have been shown regarding our future.

Do I tell you about the encounters I had as a child?

Do I subject myself to the same abuse as I have seen heaped on others?

Are we ready and willing to acknowledge what our future holds and meet it head on with brave fearless resolve and purpose?

Are we ready and willing to find possible solutions not only for ourselves, community but more importantly the rest of humanity?

Because if we don’t begin now with creating the future the future will continue to be created without our influence and voice.


I . . . don’t . . want . . . . it. . . .

There is a huge part of me that simply wants to forget again. But ‘they’ won’t let me and actually never have. I have never been at peace in my entire lifetime until I returned to the mountains and began my journey of remembering. I am being pushed to share . . . but with whom do I share?

This forum? . . . another forum?. . . or do I wait and share (as I have been) with people brought into my life.

You tell me Avalon.

[william r sanford72]

No one who loves their fellow man. the land.or earth can say with all truth of soul.with there heart and soul to guide them. can condone what is being done to the planet.monsanto is a part of this agenda..outright murder of life.no words exist to bend this truth.none.Zero.no words exist to hide this truth.and shame on those who Try.

[Christine]

Posted by blufire (here)
I can see the utter and complete futility of this thread.

We are all programmed and brainwashed and this colors every step we take along the journey.

Some are able to see bits of this colored programmed journey and begin to form new ideologies and philosophies.

Some have experiences from other lifetimes or encounters that change their entire view of the future and understanding of the past.

Some even manage to balance and put into proper perspective these new ideologies, philosophies, knowing and encounters.

I have come to believe I am one of these people. The odd thing is I don’t want to be one of these people.

I . . . .don’t . . . want . . . it

I have tried many years to reject and ignore who I am and the encounters I had as a child and teenager and now it appears as a 55 year old. Because I am remembering what I was shown and told in those long ago encounters.

So what do I do?

Do I just sit here in these beautiful magical mountains knowing what we as humanity are facing and what the future holds? Or do I share what I feel I know and have been shown?

Why would I share what I have been shown here on this forum? I have seen how others have been treated when they do. They come and share their knowledge and knowings and they are torn to shreds and rejected.

This is why I have not been very forthcoming.

That and because of the very polarized, negative, fearful and misconceived understanding and view of certain Beings.

So you guys tell me . . . . do I share what I have been shown regarding our future.

Do I tell you about the encounters I had as a child?

Do I subject myself to the same abuse as I have seen heaped on others?

Are we ready and willing to acknowledge what our future holds and meet it head on with brave fearless resolve and purpose?

Are we ready and willing to find possible solutions not only for ourselves, community but more importantly the rest of humanity?

Because if we don’t begin now with creating the future the future will continue to be created without our influence and voice.


I . . . don’t . . want . . . . it. . . .

There is a huge part of me that simply wants to forget again. But ‘they’ won’t let me and actually never have. I have never been at peace in my entire lifetime until I returned to the mountains and began my journey of remembering. I am being pushed to share . . . but with whom do I share?

This forum? . . . another forum?. . . or do I wait and share (as I have been) with people brought into my life.

You tell me Avalon.

You are not alone blufire ... ... you are an unique being as each and everyone of us are. Each of us with our own vision, our own frustrations and above all a deep desire to create a sustainable future earth together.

Speak and listen... In communion there is no division or lack of understanding.

[gripreaper]

I say, I will hold a safe space for you. I sensed in the opening post that, although the idea of feeding 7 billion people and how we do that without going against nature, is the catalyst for something else.

We all are an amalgamation of all of our lives, and we have a story to share, an experience unique to us, which (this is just a gut assumption) I have sensed all along that there is more to the story with you and that you want to share it. Avalon is just such a place. Yes, we are a tough crowd, but only because we have tough issues and we are all opening up to the full light of truth, within ourselves as well as the collective. This step, often times, pushes us to the extreme polarities just before the opening of a new paradigm, before we birth the next level of the collective dream we all agreed to when we descended into this density and incarnated into life on earth.

Bits and pieces of my story are written here, usually in obscure places and at unusual times, but those who have read my posts know it. You stood up blufire, to take on the challenge of testing the waters with one of the most heated and most controversial of subjects, the introduction of toxins into our food supply, the one thing which all humans find sacrosanct.

So, the postulate is Personal yes, as the OP says, most likely controversial with an element of tech and the globalists, but stepping back from the canvas and viewing the big picture through the lens of early childhood phenomenon that does not fit into the mainstream consciousness, is no reason to hold back here. We are all being called to do so at this time.

This is the energy permeating every cell of every being, even the plants and animals feel it. I say "go for it". Take the risk, tell us your story. Ask the mods to change the title of this thread if the focus has shifted. This is your platform and your thread. Take it wherever you want. I'll stand with you.

[Sidney]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
No, I didn’t take what little time to go to vandana shiva sites. Although I took the time this morning to make sure there was no new research or information . . . .and there wasn’t . . . the same (valuable) info on gmo’s and biotechnology.

I have read and researched and applied this topic for over 20 years now.

Snip

... until we get to that beautiful abundant world we desire and that the cutting edge science and technology of Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing.

Well, if you are not reading what has been discovered more recently than 20 years ago ... perhaps you are behind the times?

Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing depopulation tools, not a beautiful abundant world.

Celiac disease is disgusting. And apparently there is an epidemic of it, for the first time since recorded history began. I wonder why? Gut... food ... GMO food ... gut... I see a direct relationship.

Sierra

There are many other things that happen to become epidemic in the last 15 years, related to gut, and FOOD. Lack of digestive enzymes,inability to digest food,GERD,sleep apnea (that has recently been linked with GERD, which is caused by no digestion, which is caused by no enzymes, because the enzymes are zapped by you guessed it, HERBACIDE + (GMO's). And that barely scratches the surface. You have the bees disappearing at an alarming rate, birds dying off, due to eating contaminated seeds, the crap leaches into the waterways, hence killing millions of fish, frogs and other aquatic creatures. Monsanto is literally extinguishing the fire of life on this planet.
Oh yeah, and didn't Obama just sign into law, total exemption of any liability from this corporation? It stinks.

[DeDukshyn]

I'm ready to barf .... seriously .. there is some sad things happening on planet earth and Monsanto is one of them (perhaps they tried to mean well while planning to provide a means for the elite to control every human on the plant ... does it matter? the road to hell is paved with "good intentions" of fools and it happens while people are looking only at those intentions and not at the whole picture.) The comment that one cannot grow food organically is both a lie, and a destructive lie. It has been proven time and time again, BTW I have a close friend who is a commercial agra farmer here in Canada. You should hear what he thinks about it .... From the horses mouth ..

If we get humans off our beef addiction, their sugar and simple starch addiction; just these two things alone could change the course of humanity. GMO is mostly popular because beef doesn't give a **** if you feed them horrific virus laden GMO soybeans. In fact let's cut down all the SA rainforest to plant GMO soybeans to feed cattle to feed our sick addictions.

Sorry blufire, you have some interesting posts but I really am getting a sour taste right now. I grew up on organic foods, all grown in my parents garden.
Let's just spread the case for growing your own food! What won't that solve?

Hint we got krill, billions of tons of the stuff ... we got bugs, tons of them. Vegetarians can move south and grow all their own food. Hell give me an aquarium I'll grow my own krill. The elite are only looking at how to keep "THEIR" paradigm going ... Not looking for the paradigm that allows the each to flourish.

Excuses can be powerful ... At the same time in slight support ... the "elite" haven't got ****ing clue what they are really doing ...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
I
I am not supporting the agendas of either view because they are both flawed . . .I am striving constantly to find and maintain balance and clarity.

I oppose your continuing support of these lies here

I am 100% well aware and versed on the material that you (Paul) and Dennis and others are posting and agree with it (for the most part). But it is information and research that I studied in great depth MANY years ago.

You and Dennis and many others on this topic (I feel) are extremely polarized and not balanced on this massively important topic. Again . . . you are where I was about 10 years ago. Horrified, angry, frustrated scared, victimized, apathetic, and unreasonable.

Since my 180, I have worked steadily to remove my emotions and anger and have been for the last 2 or more years working hard to become more balanced and pragmatic. Through this journey a whole new understanding of our future has opened for me. Actually where I am today in my spirituality, knowledge and wisdom is a result of those encounters from my childhood.

In order for humanity to be able to achieve a future that we see exampled in Star Trek or The Venus Project it will be through fringe cutting edge science and technology.

This type of rapid advancement is not without many problems, struggles, angst and collateral damage. A VERY hard truth and reality. But what choice do we have?? Do we just sit on our collective assess and do nothing? Or I know!! we can wait for aliens to come down and hand over futuristic technology.

Those of us who are TRULY awake and see what the road ahead is fraught can adapt and prepare and teach. We will be the ones who provide a harbor during the next very turbulent, traumatic years . . . . until we get to that beautiful abundant world we desire and that the cutting edge science and technology of Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing.

It is up to each and every one of us (personally) to responsibly understand the good and bad of this journey humanity on a global scale is pioneering. Understand it. Make your choice. Prepare and adapt to make your road easier and healthier for yourself and those around you. The other choice is to suffer and be filled with anger, bitterness and hatred in what you feel is an attack on you personally.

And Paul . . . after reading this post (and thread) of mine and perhaps trying a little harder to understand where I am coming from you will understand me a bit more. I am NOT the average Avalon member . . . .I choose . . . do I just go along with the EASY general flow of Avalon and not make a difference or do I stand up for what I see and feel is Truth and what can actually make a difference.

Do I go along in the same sleepy rut as everyone else or do I attempt to knock a few out of this rut that is leading to the edge of a cliff?

If not and you still oppose who I am as a thinking, pragmatic, contributing human being and member of Project Avalon . . . .well then . . . . . you can push that magic admin eject button and unsubscribe me.

Excusing one cliff edge for another is what I believe caused this to become a controversial dialogue.
But then you did admit yourself that you open yourself to misunderstandings.
If I may say so....personal motives need to be examined carefully here.

There is a give-away in your comment above...which I have bolded, and which tell me that your expertise in farming
has made you vulnerable to not quite seeing the forest for the trees. There is such a thing as having too much knowledge.

What you perceive as "rapid advancement" could perhaps be an indication of your own spiritual surges at this time,
but instead of rising into an investigation of these inner processes as something that is happening to you on a personal level,
you project them out and perceive a controversial duality. Namely that of an anti-scientific solution movement versus big mass feeding solutions as were proposed by Monsanto.

Yet the anti GMO agenda movement is an alarm call and awakening to the huge corporate schemes
which were never disclosed in a transparent manner, have hidden objectives,
and are actually stimulating the possibly erroneous idea of "rapid advancement" of the planet today.

Slowing matters down again to nature's way of operation is an idea who's time has come,
at least until more is known and openly shared.
Showing people how to grow their own food on roof tops or vertical farms, if necessary,
that would be a better way to go than patenting seeds, and leaving indebted farmers destitute.

However, I do appreciate that you continue to question these issues.

Better put than I ever could have done (as is apparent )... Triple thanks ulli

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Sidney (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
No, I didn’t take what little time to go to vandana shiva sites. Although I took the time this morning to make sure there was no new research or information . . . .and there wasn’t . . . the same (valuable) info on gmo’s and biotechnology.

I have read and researched and applied this topic for over 20 years now.

Snip

... until we get to that beautiful abundant world we desire and that the cutting edge science and technology of Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing.

Well, if you are not reading what has been discovered more recently than 20 years ago ... perhaps you are behind the times?

Monsanto and other wealthy corporations are providing depopulation tools, not a beautiful abundant world.

Celiac disease is disgusting. And apparently there is an epidemic of it, for the first time since recorded history began. I wonder why? Gut... food ... GMO food ... gut... I see a direct relationship.

Sierra

There are many other things that happen to become epidemic in the last 15 years, related to gut, and FOOD. Lack of digestive enzymes,inability to digest food,GERD,sleep apnea (that has recently been linked with GERD, which is caused by no digestion, which is caused by no enzymes, because the enzymes are zapped by you guessed it, HERBACIDE + (GMO's). And that barely scratches the surface. You have the bees disappearing at an alarming rate, birds dying off, due to eating contaminated seeds, the crap leaches into the waterways, hence killing millions of fish, frogs and other aquatic creatures. Monsanto is literally extinguishing the fire of life on this planet.
Oh yeah, and didn't Obama just sign into law, total exemption of any liability from this corporation? It stinks.

Much more info in this post than just a rant ... well said Sidney! and congrats on the position of mod in training! (Observerx19xx wasn't it?)

[ghostrider]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
------

I'm willing to talk with most people about most things, but interfering with nature in the way promoted by Monsanto is non-negotiably unconscionable.

The problem of [apparent] food shortage in the world is all about logistics and economics and agendas -- not genetics.

Problem --> reaction --> solution. People buying into these 'solutions' as the only way forward have been manipulated by the dialectic.

dirty little secret is food is now the new gold and silver ... they sell food insurance now ...

[music]

This (below) is a snapshot of one small example of the kind of people we are dealing with. Monsanto is a keystone of the most heinous elements of the push for a new world order, and you have my love and compassion that you have allowed yourself to be so deceived by such a great and obvious evil. I come from many generations of farming stock, and I can tell you that the nature of the soil, the crops, the livestock, the pests, or the hardship of the natural environment was not what finally drove them from the land, neither was it the hard work, neither was it the inability to allow nature to do what nature does best. What makes farming unviable is government policy, and enforced downward price pressure from the large distributors of foodstuffs. So you have taken yourself to the land, and in a few years decided that you (and Monsanto) knows best. There are many people who have generations of time spent on the land who would disagree with you.

Some better ways of addressing the imagined "food shortfall" might be to eliminate western waste, and to adjust western diet so it is less meat reliant, and so less consumptive of resources. We might also like to eat food that has not come from soil soaked in "roundup", so that it retains the full complement of micro-nutrients. If we eat natural food, we require less of it - the only excess then comes from personal gluttony.

The article below is not about the danger of current Monsanto practices - that evidence is abundant. What this demonstrates is the kind of animal we are dealing with, one which you are obviously quite happy to "get into bed with". Again, all I can do is send you my love.

The Little Known Toxic Travesty Of Anniston, Alabama

By Amanda Beland, HoneyColony

Choccolocco Creek is known for its easy whitewater rafting, one of the world’s first hydroelectric dams, and a local resident who donned a cow skull and scared the hell out of passersby on nearby roads.

It’s less known for being a toxic waterway that turned fish into something much scarier than a half-man/half-cow.

In 1993, a local fisherman caught a severely deformed largemouth bass from Choccolocco Creek, and the truth finally burst into view: For more than 30 years, Monsanto—the world’s largest biotech corporation—had been slowly and consciously poisoning the people of Anniston, Alabama.

From the ’40s to ’70s, Monsanto knowingly dumped millions of pounds of the now-banned industrial chemical polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) into the town’s landfill and creek. PCBs have been shown to cause cancer in animals and humans, including non-Hodgkin lymphoma, a frequently fatal form of cancer.

Some employees suspected danger as early as the 1950s, yet company management did nothing in response to their concerns. In 1966, Monsanto managers discovered that fish submerged in the Choccolocco turned belly-up within 10 seconds, spurting blood and shedding skin as if dunked into boiling water. They told no one.

Three years later, they found fish in another nearby creek with 7,500 times the legal PCB levels. However, they concluded that there was no point in “going to expensive extremes in limiting discharges.” In 1975, yet another company study found that PCBs caused tumors in rats. Managers ordered the report’s conclusion changed from “slightly tumorigenic” to “does not appear to be carcinogenic.”

In 2003, Monsanto finally confessed and agreed to pay $700 million to more than 20,000 residents in the first civil suit of its kind. Thousands of pages of Monsanto documents—many marked “CONFIDENTIAL: Read and Destroy”—proved that, for decades, the corporate giant concealed what it did and what it knew.

“This is a classic case of corporate abuse as well as a violation of public trust,” says Jay Feldman, executive director of the health and environmental group Beyond Pesticides. “Even as the signs piled up of its dangers and adverse effects, the company continued to ignore the warnings.”

While Monsanto employees kept this dirty secret, the residents of Anniston had no idea how prevalent this pollutant chemical was becoming in their daily lives. For years, they drank and swam in toxic ponds, cultivated vegetables from chemically saturated soil, and even ate the tainted soil, a practice known as pica.

For instance, Shannon Jeffries, a former resident of Anniston, only found about the poison water lawsuit after her husband asked why so many people in her family were deformed or had died of cancer.

“It didn’t seem odd for me to know many people with various forms of cancer,” Jeffries said. “I didn’t make the connection about this aunt or this uncle having this weird disease, or this person having this funky eye condition. I was innocent I guess, sheltered, scared to ask. Who knows?”

Jeffries herself was born with a severe form of scoliosis that led to excruciating pain and surgeries throughout her youth and adulthood. While still in utero in the late ’60s, her mother spent the better part of her pregnancy with her belly submerged in the same creek where tons of toxic chemicals were being dumped.

Even though PCBs have now been banned, it’s clear that they have long-term impacts on our health.

“There’s a range of adverse impacts that run the gamut of both chronic and acute health effects,” Feldman adds. “The concern historically has been that it’s an organic pollutant and carcinogen in both animals and humans. The company should have known this was harmful, and I believe they did.”

According to Feldman, Monsanto isn’t alone in this. From his experience, there is almost always collusion between government and corporations where companies hide behind laws of government regulation and scientific debate.

Monsanto, the same company that brought us Agent Orange and DDT, stopped making PCBs in 1977, two years before a nationwide ban took effect. Today, however, they are the leaders in manufacturing genetically modified organisms, claiming that this technology will reduce soil erosion and pesticide use, decrease our dependency on fossil fuels, slow climate change, and other grandiose positive effects on the environment .

But instead, Feldman says, the opposite is happening, and Monsanto continues to do nothing about it.

“All of the promises we have been made with this technology have really failed us,” he adds. “All of their assumptions are wrong.”

Currently, 70 percent of foods grown in the United States contain genetically modified ingredients, but there is no way for consumers to know because businesses are not required to identify them on the label.

Hopefully we don’t have to wait for the day that people start turning belly-up, spurting blood, and shedding skin to get the answers we deserve.

[Soulboy]

Fully agree on the evils of Monsanto. It's also a funny coincidence that we are being sprayed with heavy metal micro-particles that go into all of our soil world-wide almost, while there is a HUGE biotech company which has already introduced the world to the full goodness of Agent Orange many years ago, who manufacture seeds that are resistant to aluminium. I will leave those dots unconnected. After our 6th day of sun of this whole year yesterday (in early June), I looked out the window in the early evening and spotted a total of 14 chemtrail lines out of only one window of my flat and guess what - it's cloudy today and it's starting to rain as I write this.

What good is it if any of us go on about organic farming in our yards if our soil is poisoned every day so that those organic seeds may no longer even be able to grow in future?

Monsanto just promised they would not spend any more money, time and effort on forcing EU countries to advance the GMO agenda. The good news for them is they might not even have to if our soil is going to be poisoned with aluminium for much longer...

All this happens while government vegetable assassin units (lobbied by certain interest groups, I would imagine) go around perpetrating targeted hits on farmers markets around the US, kicking up tables, smashing organic veggies and legislation is being introduced that forbids individuals to run a small scale farming operation, except tor the purposes of growing their own consumption of fruit and veg, which is currently in discussion in Europe's own cesspit, Brussels. The legislation in question conveniently omits any factors that could serve to distinguish what private growing for one's own needs is limited to, as compared to small commercial gardening that would be illegal under the law that is proposed.

I think an educated guess as to who may be behind the ban on many varieties of fruit and veg in Europe should be allowed, too... Who in the world would think that the world would be a better place if we only had one or two varieties of every fruit? Who would like to be limited to GMO Granny Smith apples for the rest of their lives?

I for one quite enjoy a big variety of organic apples, yes the ones that are small, look a bit dodgy and may even have worms in them here or there, but they taste good, are healthy, natural and are not drenched in 14 different pesticides causing all manner of illnesses the life-shortening effects of which are anyone's guess.

Luckily, that law did not pass due to mass protests and online petitions, but let's see how long it takes before they put a new fancy dress and a wig on that very same law and try to push it through again. If internet privacy laws are any suggestion, I don't think it will take too long until that is going to happen.

How has tampering with nature worked for us in the past? We have dams and massive floods in Germany, now they're worried a dam might break which could lead to an incredible disaster and the loss of many lives. Why did we need those dams in the first place?

These photos of the lab animals being fed GMOs say it all, really. This new iPhone app called "Buycott" was not programmed because people around the world all agree that GMOs are just GRRRRREAT...

Then there is the factor of enironmental destruction. River water in some places of Germany is so toxic that you can develop your old photo films in them... Freshly caught trout, anyone?

Also, what benevolent company needs to hire Blackwater to monitor and target its critics?

[blufire]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I say, I will hold a safe space for you. I sensed in the opening post that, although the idea of feeding 7 billion people and how we do that without going against nature, is the catalyst for something else.

We all are an amalgamation of all of our lives, and we have a story to share, an experience unique to us, which (this is just a gut assumption) I have sensed all along that there is more to the story with you and that you want to share it. Avalon is just such a place. Yes, we are a tough crowd, but only because we have tough issues and we are all opening up to the full light of truth, within ourselves as well as the collective. This step, often times, pushes us to the extreme polarities just before the opening of a new paradigm, before we birth the next level of the collective dream we all agreed to when we descended into this density and incarnated into life on earth.

Bits and pieces of my story are written here, usually in obscure places and at unusual times, but those who have read my posts know it. You stood up blufire, to take on the challenge of testing the waters with one of the most heated and most controversial of subjects, the introduction of toxins into our food supply, the one thing which all humans find sacrosanct.

So, the postulate is Personal yes, as the OP says, most likely controversial with an element of tech and the globalists, but stepping back from the canvas and viewing the big picture through the lens of early childhood phenomenon that does not fit into the mainstream consciousness, is no reason to hold back here. We are all being called to do so at this time.

This is the energy permeating every cell of every being, even the plants and animals feel it. I say "go for it". Take the risk, tell us your story. Ask the mods to change the title of this thread if the focus has shifted. This is your platform and your thread. Take it wherever you want. I'll stand with you.

(bold in gripreapers post are mine)


Yes I do have a tendency to stand up against some of the very most heated and sensitive subjects. Omnivores and vegetarians/vegans is one and the ruckus I caused with the channeling thread is another. I am a rebel and lone wolf at heart and have always jumped flat in the middle of something i believe strongly and have at it until I figure it out. I have never fit into any group, not even here on Avalon.

I will not go with the easy flow of an idea, philosophy or hypothesis if I know deep down and without question it is not correct or at least incorrect with all information currently available on the subject . . . . information from all sides and material . . . .not just the parts we want to believe or that everyone else within the circle believes.

Growth will not occur if we travel the rut or stay on the easy path.

This step, often times, pushes us to the extreme polarities just before the opening of a new paradigm, before we birth the next level of the collective dream we all agreed to when we descended into this density and incarnated into life on earth.

but stepping back from the canvas and viewing the big picture through the lens of early childhood phenomenon that does not fit into the mainstream consciousness, is no reason to hold back here. We are all being called to do so at this time.

These two paragraphs hit me full on and with conviction. I feel I can no longer be silent in what I feel I was shown so many years ago or what I have come to understand and believe is unfolding. And yes, I know I agreed to this path before I came here at this time and this place. There is also a very deep feeling that I also was ‘sent’ here. I agreed but out of some sense of loyalty or understanding that I really didn’t have a choice.

I feel with conviction that now is the time in my life, because at the age I am and with the past 40+ years of research, study, and life experience I now understand more fully what I was shown so many years ago.

And also because now every time and try to ‘forget’ again I am pushed harder.

So am not sure where to begin.

I will post (as soon as I can) on my profile page the story of the encounters I had as a child and into my teenage years. I will say now that most on PA will reject what I say because of who the encounters were with and because the encounters were very positive.

Gripreaper, thank you for understanding and for the support and for the kick in the hind end . . . . . but take your stand wisely because I am not sure where this may lead.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

“It appears there is a direct correlation between GMOs and autism.” --Arden Anderson, MD, PhD, MPH

KILLERS IS WHAT THEY ARE.

Hey guys, about celiac disease:

I wondered about infant gut damage a lot when I realized that baby formula is about 42% corn syrup solids and for all we know, it is GMO corn.

It would not surprise me if gluten allergies and other happenings follow suit when altered grains hit the market.

http://celiacdisease.about.com/b/201...ac-disease.htm

2012 Study Finds Some Evidence for Corn Cross-Reactivity in Celiac
By Jane Anderson, About.com GuideApril 16, 2013

Although this study came out a year ago, I'm constantly being asked about it and what it might mean for people with celiac disease and gluten sensitivity who also can't tolerate corn. So I think it's worth repeating the details of what it showed (and didn't show):

There's no question that many people with celiac disease and gluten sensitivity also have issues with corn.

Some of the problem likely involves gluten cross-contamination in the corn (like all other grains, corn can be quite gluten-contaminated unless the growers and processors take specific steps to protect their crop from accidental contact with gluten).

However, a 2012 research study indicates that the immune systems of people with celiac disease may in fact react to corn in a way that's similar to how they react to gluten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeliac_disease

Coeliac disease (/ˈsiːli.æk/; spelled celiac disease in North America[1] and often celiac sprue) is an autoimmune disorder of the small intestine that occurs in genetically predisposed people of all ages from middle infancy onward. Symptoms include pain and discomfort in the digestive tract, chronic constipation and diarrhoea, failure to thrive (in children), and fatigue, but these may be absent, and symptoms in other organ systems have been described. Vitamin deficiencies are often noted in people with Coeliac disease owing to the reduced ability of the small intestine to properly absorb nutrients from food.

Increasingly, diagnoses are being made in asymptomatic persons as a result of increased screening;[2] the condition is thought to affect between 1 in 1,750 and 1 in 105 people in the United States

1 in 105 is close to the official autism rate, no?

http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/co...y-Problems.htm

Celiac Disease Can Cause Pregnancy Problems
Threatened Miscarriage, Severe Anemia Common in Celiac Women

By Jane Anderson, About.com Guide
Updated October 23, 2011

Women who have celiac disease suffer from pregnancy problems and complications at two to four times the rate of women who don't have the condition. It's possible, however, that following a careful gluten-free diet during pregnancy might help avert some of the problems.

Research shows that women with celiac disease have higher rates of infertility and miscarriage if they haven't been diagnosed.

But it appears that celiac disease-related pregnancy problems don't end there. Research also indicates that women with celiac disease (mostly undiagnosed celiac disease) have higher rates of more than half a dozen pregnancy complications, including threatened miscarriage and severe iron deficiency anemia, than other women.

They also have shorter pregnancies, on average, and lower birth-weight babies.

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/autism

Are Genetically Engineered Foods Promoting Autism?

video: http://vimeo.com/responsibletechnology/gmfautism

By Jeffrey M. Smith
International bestselling author and filmmaker Jeffrey M. Smith is the executive director of the Institute for Responsible Technology www.ResponsibleTechnology.org and a leading spokesperson on the health dangers of GMOs. His books include Seeds of Deception and Genetic Roulette, and his films include Hidden Dangers in Kids’ Meals, Your Milk on Drugs—Just Say No!, and a new documentary due out in early summer 2012.