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    Quote Posted by bogeyman (here)
    Snowden is going to be found dead, or have a nice little accident....or caught and crucified by the USG. The CIA are no doubt looking for him as well, they may use deadly force.
    He is well aware of this, even refers to how busy they will be for the next few weeks. That's what makes him such a brave man. They will probably make it look like an accident, no point in creating an obvious martyr. They will most likely pull an Aaron Schwartz on him.

    He needs all our prayers and good intentions.

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    'Nothing will stop CIA, NSA from catching Snowden'




    Published on 10 Jun 2013


    The United States criminal chase has begun - with top
    officials calling for Edward Snowden to be prosecuted to
    the harshest extent of the law. Intelligence analyst Glenmore
    Treaner-Harvey told RT Washington will try everything to
    catch the whistleblower.

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    Questions in need of answers...


    NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story?
    By Jon Rappoport, June 10, 2013


    First, I’m not doubting the documents Ed Snowden has brought forward. I’m not doubting the illegal reach of the NSA in spying on Americans and the world.

    But as to how this recent revelation happened, and whether Ed Snowden’s history holds up…I have questions.

    Could Snowden have been given extraordinary access to classified info as part of a larger scheme? Could he be a) an honest man and yet b) a guy who was set up to do what he’s doing now?

    If b) is true, then Snowden fits the bill perfectly. He wants to do what he’s doing. He isn’t lying about that. He means what he says.

    Okay. Let’s look at his history as reported by The Guardian.

    In 2003, at age 19, without a high school diploma, Snowden enlists in the Army. He begins a training program to join the Special Forces. The sequence here is fuzzy. At what point after enlistment can a new soldier start this training program? Does he need to demonstrate some exceptional ability before Special Forces puts him in that program?

    Snowden breaks both legs in a training exercise. He’s discharged from the Army. Is that automatic? How about healing and then resuming Army service? Just asking.

    If he was accepted in the Special Forces training program because he had special computer skills, then why discharge him simply because he broke both legs?

    Circa 2003 (?), Snowden gets a job as a security guard for an NSA facility at the University of Maryland. He specifically wanted to work for NSA? It was just a generic job opening he found out about?

    Also in 2003 (?), Snowden shifts jobs. He’s now in the CIA, in IT. He has no high school diploma. He’s a young computer genius?

    In 2007, Snowden is sent to Geneva. He’s only 23 years old. The CIA gives him diplomatic cover there. He’s put in charge of maintaining computer-network security. Major job. Obviously, he has access to a very wide range of classified documents. Sound a little odd? Again, just asking. He’s just a kid. Maybe he has his GED by now. Otherwise, he still doesn’t have a high school diploma.

    Snowden says that during this period, in Geneva, one of the incidents that really sours him on the CIA is the “turning of a Swiss banker.” One night, CIA guys get a banker drunk, encourage him to drive home, the banker gets busted, the CIA guys help him out, then with that bond formed, they eventually get the banker to reveal deep banking secrets to the Agency.

    Snowden is this naïve? He doesn’t know by now that the CIA does this sort of thing all the time? He’s shocked? He “didn’t sign up for this?”

    In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA. Why? Presumably because he’s disillusioned. It should noted here that Snowden claimed he could do very heavy damage to the entire US intelligence community in 2008, but decided to wait because he thought Obama, just coming into the presidency, might make good changes.

    After two years with the CIA in Geneva, Snowden really had the capability to take down the whole US intelligence network, or a major chunk of it? He had that much access to classified data?

    Anyway, in 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA and goes to work for a private defense contractor. Apparently, by this time, he knows all about the phony US war in Iraq, and yet he chooses to work for a sector that relentlessly promotes such wars. Go figure.

    This defense contractor (unnamed) assigns him to work at an NSA facility in Japan. Surely, Snowden understands what the NSA is. He knows it’s a key part of the whole military-intelligence network, the network he opposes.

    But he takes the job anyway. Perhaps he’s doing it so he can obtain further access to classified data, in advance of blowing a big whistle. Perhaps.

    Snowden goes on to work for two private defense contractors, Dell and Booze Allen Hamilton. In this latter job, Snowden is again assigned to work at the NSA.

    He’s an outsider, but he claims to have so much sensitive NSA data that he can take down the whole US intelligence network in a single day. Hmm.

    These are red flags. They raise questions. Serious ones.

    If The Guardian, which has such close access to Snowden, wants to explore these questions, they might come up with some interesting answers.

    Again, I’m not doubting that the documents Snowden has brought forward are real. I have to assume they are. I certainly don’t doubt the reach and the power and the criminality of the NSA.

    Although I’m sure someone will write me and say I’m defending the NSA. I’M NOT.
    But if Snowden was maneuvered, in his career, without his knowing it, to arrive at just this point, then we have a whole new story. We have a story about unknown forces who wanted this exposure to occur.

    Who would these forces be? I could make lots of guesses. But they would just be guesses.

    Perhaps all the anomalies in the career of Ed Snowden can be explained with sensible answers. I realize that. But until they are, I put the questions forward. And leave them there.

    Jon Rappoport

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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    I guess we need to start an "I am Edward Snowden" campaign...

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    What I'm surprised about is that nobody knows whats happening...LOL

    What I don't believe, as with a lot of the headline threads that have
    been coming out lately. Is I've always presumed this has been secret
    from WW11 thru the cold war till today. Most NATO intelligence
    agencies have shared intelligence. Where the abuse has come in since
    1990, and the end of the cold war, is who really controls the 'Spooks' ?

    We in the alternate community feel its the secret cabals behind the
    curtain that run things like the war on Terror and drug running.
    That's why listening to the mainstream discussions are so funny
    to us, because they are missing the main players.

    Still I will still post them for the sake of contrast etc....
    Some of it is obviously true .


    Has UK got round surveillance laws by using the US?



    Published on 10 Jun 2013


    Krishnan talks to General Jonathan Shaw, the former
    head of cyber-security at the Ministry of Defence, and
    in Geneva with Caspar Bowden, the former chief privacy
    adviser at Microsoft.


    --------------------------------------------------------------
    UK intelligence does not get around law, says Hague




    Published on 10 Jun 2013


    Foreign Secretary William Hague says accusations that
    GCHQ uses its partnership with the US to get around
    UK law are "baseless".
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    Theres a massive intelligence organisation under 'Echolon' that is gathering..
    " Intelligence" as we speak...LOL...The media acts if 'Spying' espionage,
    political assassinations are only in the movies. When they are very real.



    Menwith Hill and GCHQ eavesdropping facilities coordinating intelligence of US drone attacks

    Posted on October 7, 2012 by admin





    Menwith Hill, the US eavesdropping facility in Britain, is believed to play a crucial
    role in the coordination of US drone attacks as part of the highly classified ‘
    ECHELON ‘ umbrella. It is the United States’ largest overseas intelligence station,
    staffed by several hundred National Security Agency operatives. Intelligence
    gathered by GCHQ at Cheltenham and it’s outstation at Morwenstow is also
    believed to be provided to US forces planning the drone attacks.


    http://darkernet.in/menwith-hill-and...drone-attacks/
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    On the subject of movies , I saw the numbers Station a very good
    espionage thriller.......




    and guess what it is set in a CIA facility in the UK..LOl..


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    This thread has a lot of info on intelligence operations since WW11

    Newspaper: CIA runs Al Qaeda , operation Gladio....

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...965#post685965
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    Outer Limits Episode Foresees Insidious Future of NSA



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    Manning 2.0? Lawmakers demand 'harsh' probe against Snowden





    Published on 10 Jun 2013


    The US criminal chase has begun - with top officials calling for Edward Snowden to
    be prosecuted to the harshest extent of the law. The whistleblower himself doesn't
    hold out much hope of escaping given his knowledge of how intelligence agencies
    operate. Investigative journalist Tony Gosling told RT that it's time for some soul-
    searching in Washington.

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    They talk quite a lot about 'whistleblowers' as well..............





    Published on 14 Dec 2012


    Abby Martin talks to the Editor of Boiling Frogs Post and Founder of
    the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds, about
    her story as a whistleblower and the erosion of civil liberties in a post 9/11 America.
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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    My question is, how have the elite and those in power benefited from the implementation of PRISM? Will they be able to gain financially by, for example, having access to information that may boost inside trading in the stockmarket?
    My guess is that the stock market is already an almost pure game, for the amusement of small portion of the peons who still have positive net worth and delusions of belonging to the "upper middle class", and as another false indicator of how "healthy" the economy is.

    I'd also guess that the primary value of the surveillance is in the control it enables ... like hunting buffalo herds on the open plains in the American midwest in the mid 1800's, which would have been much easier had they had aerial surveillance drones with 24 hour a day monitoring of all herds and the land they moved on.

    This is an "information" war (as most wars are, at one level) and they know a heck of a lot more about us than we do of them. We're not even sure who "they" are.
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    Quote Posted by conec (here)
    This revelation is not shocking to everyone here so the significance lies with this whistleblower being in the mainstream media.
    Indeed. Here's a copy of a post I made here yesterday.

    ===

    Drudge, Zerohedge and Slashdot are all leading with the story of Edward Snowden.

    It is seldom I see all three of those major websites lead with the same story. Excellent coverage.

    More "traditional" sources (which I don't routinely visit) are also covering this:
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Questions in need of answers...


    NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story?
    By Jon Rappoport, June 10, 2013


    First, I’m not doubting the documents Ed Snowden has brought forward. I’m not doubting the illegal reach of the NSA in spying on Americans and the world.

    But as to how this recent revelation happened, and whether Ed Snowden’s history holds up…I have questions.

    Could Snowden have been given extraordinary access to classified info as part of a larger scheme? Could he be a) an honest man and yet b) a guy who was set up to do what he’s doing now?

    If b) is true, then Snowden fits the bill perfectly. He wants to do what he’s doing. He isn’t lying about that. He means what he says.

    Okay. Let’s look at his history as reported by The Guardian.

    In 2003, at age 19, without a high school diploma, Snowden enlists in the Army. He begins a training program to join the Special Forces. The sequence here is fuzzy. At what point after enlistment can a new soldier start this training program? Does he need to demonstrate some exceptional ability before Special Forces puts him in that program?

    Snowden breaks both legs in a training exercise. He’s discharged from the Army. Is that automatic? How about healing and then resuming Army service? Just asking.

    If he was accepted in the Special Forces training program because he had special computer skills, then why discharge him simply because he broke both legs?

    Circa 2003 (?), Snowden gets a job as a security guard for an NSA facility at the University of Maryland. He specifically wanted to work for NSA? It was just a generic job opening he found out about?

    Also in 2003 (?), Snowden shifts jobs. He’s now in the CIA, in IT. He has no high school diploma. He’s a young computer genius?

    In 2007, Snowden is sent to Geneva. He’s only 23 years old. The CIA gives him diplomatic cover there. He’s put in charge of maintaining computer-network security. Major job. Obviously, he has access to a very wide range of classified documents. Sound a little odd? Again, just asking. He’s just a kid. Maybe he has his GED by now. Otherwise, he still doesn’t have a high school diploma.

    Snowden says that during this period, in Geneva, one of the incidents that really sours him on the CIA is the “turning of a Swiss banker.” One night, CIA guys get a banker drunk, encourage him to drive home, the banker gets busted, the CIA guys help him out, then with that bond formed, they eventually get the banker to reveal deep banking secrets to the Agency.

    Snowden is this naïve? He doesn’t know by now that the CIA does this sort of thing all the time? He’s shocked? He “didn’t sign up for this?”

    In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA. Why? Presumably because he’s disillusioned. It should noted here that Snowden claimed he could do very heavy damage to the entire US intelligence community in 2008, but decided to wait because he thought Obama, just coming into the presidency, might make good changes.

    After two years with the CIA in Geneva, Snowden really had the capability to take down the whole US intelligence network, or a major chunk of it? He had that much access to classified data?

    Anyway, in 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA and goes to work for a private defense contractor. Apparently, by this time, he knows all about the phony US war in Iraq, and yet he chooses to work for a sector that relentlessly promotes such wars. Go figure.

    This defense contractor (unnamed) assigns him to work at an NSA facility in Japan. Surely, Snowden understands what the NSA is. He knows it’s a key part of the whole military-intelligence network, the network he opposes.

    But he takes the job anyway. Perhaps he’s doing it so he can obtain further access to classified data, in advance of blowing a big whistle. Perhaps.

    Snowden goes on to work for two private defense contractors, Dell and Booze Allen Hamilton. In this latter job, Snowden is again assigned to work at the NSA.

    He’s an outsider, but he claims to have so much sensitive NSA data that he can take down the whole US intelligence network in a single day. Hmm.

    These are red flags. They raise questions. Serious ones.

    If The Guardian, which has such close access to Snowden, wants to explore these questions, they might come up with some interesting answers.

    Again, I’m not doubting that the documents Snowden has brought forward are real. I have to assume they are. I certainly don’t doubt the reach and the power and the criminality of the NSA.

    Although I’m sure someone will write me and say I’m defending the NSA. I’M NOT.
    But if Snowden was maneuvered, in his career, without his knowing it, to arrive at just this point, then we have a whole new story. We have a story about unknown forces who wanted this exposure to occur.

    Who would these forces be? I could make lots of guesses. But they would just be guesses.

    Perhaps all the anomalies in the career of Ed Snowden can be explained with sensible answers. I realize that. But until they are, I put the questions forward. And leave them there.

    Jon Rappoport

    It's an interesting article, (thanks for posting) but why would the C.I.A. go through all that circuitous nonsense to place a guy in a position where he may or may not have released the files, when all they had to do was release them themselves and blame an anonymous "leaker"? Seems a lot of work to do something they could have easily done themselves...minus all the pageantry. The C.I.A. has been known to involve unknowing individuals in convoluted and highly bizarre schemes to advance their agenda, but I just don't see it here.

    I don't think Snowden was necessarily naïve. He was very aware of some of the more nefarious goings-on within the C.I.A. (he discusses this in the interview) and said something to the effect that those around him would sort of quickly brush off discussion of it if it arose in conversation. The impression he gives, to me anyway, is that when things become commonplace, however unconscionable they may be, people get used to them and accept them as the norm.
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    We need the entire population to stand between him and the NSA , and say enough ...
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Questions in need of answers...


    NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story?
    By Jon Rappoport, June 10, 2013


    First, I’m not doubting the documents Ed Snowden has brought forward. I’m not doubting the illegal reach of the NSA in spying on Americans and the world.

    But as to how this recent revelation happened, and whether Ed Snowden’s history holds up…I have questions.

    Could Snowden have been given extraordinary access to classified info as part of a larger scheme? Could he be a) an honest man and yet b) a guy who was set up to do what he’s doing now?

    If b) is true, then Snowden fits the bill perfectly. He wants to do what he’s doing. He isn’t lying about that. He means what he says.

    Okay. Let’s look at his history as reported by The Guardian.

    In 2003, at age 19, without a high school diploma, Snowden enlists in the Army. He begins a training program to join the Special Forces. The sequence here is fuzzy. At what point after enlistment can a new soldier start this training program? Does he need to demonstrate some exceptional ability before Special Forces puts him in that program?

    Snowden breaks both legs in a training exercise. He’s discharged from the Army. Is that automatic? How about healing and then resuming Army service? Just asking.

    If he was accepted in the Special Forces training program because he had special computer skills, then why discharge him simply because he broke both legs?

    Circa 2003 (?), Snowden gets a job as a security guard for an NSA facility at the University of Maryland. He specifically wanted to work for NSA? It was just a generic job opening he found out about?

    Also in 2003 (?), Snowden shifts jobs. He’s now in the CIA, in IT. He has no high school diploma. He’s a young computer genius?

    In 2007, Snowden is sent to Geneva. He’s only 23 years old. The CIA gives him diplomatic cover there. He’s put in charge of maintaining computer-network security. Major job. Obviously, he has access to a very wide range of classified documents. Sound a little odd? Again, just asking. He’s just a kid. Maybe he has his GED by now. Otherwise, he still doesn’t have a high school diploma.

    Snowden says that during this period, in Geneva, one of the incidents that really sours him on the CIA is the “turning of a Swiss banker.” One night, CIA guys get a banker drunk, encourage him to drive home, the banker gets busted, the CIA guys help him out, then with that bond formed, they eventually get the banker to reveal deep banking secrets to the Agency.

    Snowden is this naïve? He doesn’t know by now that the CIA does this sort of thing all the time? He’s shocked? He “didn’t sign up for this?”

    In 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA. Why? Presumably because he’s disillusioned. It should noted here that Snowden claimed he could do very heavy damage to the entire US intelligence community in 2008, but decided to wait because he thought Obama, just coming into the presidency, might make good changes.

    After two years with the CIA in Geneva, Snowden really had the capability to take down the whole US intelligence network, or a major chunk of it? He had that much access to classified data?

    Anyway, in 2009, Snowden leaves the CIA and goes to work for a private defense contractor. Apparently, by this time, he knows all about the phony US war in Iraq, and yet he chooses to work for a sector that relentlessly promotes such wars. Go figure.

    This defense contractor (unnamed) assigns him to work at an NSA facility in Japan. Surely, Snowden understands what the NSA is. He knows it’s a key part of the whole military-intelligence network, the network he opposes.

    But he takes the job anyway. Perhaps he’s doing it so he can obtain further access to classified data, in advance of blowing a big whistle. Perhaps.

    Snowden goes on to work for two private defense contractors, Dell and Booze Allen Hamilton. In this latter job, Snowden is again assigned to work at the NSA.

    He’s an outsider, but he claims to have so much sensitive NSA data that he can take down the whole US intelligence network in a single day. Hmm.

    These are red flags. They raise questions. Serious ones.

    If The Guardian, which has such close access to Snowden, wants to explore these questions, they might come up with some interesting answers.

    Again, I’m not doubting that the documents Snowden has brought forward are real. I have to assume they are. I certainly don’t doubt the reach and the power and the criminality of the NSA.

    Although I’m sure someone will write me and say I’m defending the NSA. I’M NOT.
    But if Snowden was maneuvered, in his career, without his knowing it, to arrive at just this point, then we have a whole new story. We have a story about unknown forces who wanted this exposure to occur.

    Who would these forces be? I could make lots of guesses. But they would just be guesses.

    Perhaps all the anomalies in the career of Ed Snowden can be explained with sensible answers. I realize that. But until they are, I put the questions forward. And leave them there.

    Jon Rappoport
    It's not surprising that NSA, like all of those other alphabet agencies, is profiling their recruits. Hire uneducated young computer nerds because their only interest lies in computer tech. and coding but are quintessentially incurious about the real world around them because they only live in virtual ones. Snowden apparently matched that profile to a "T". That's why he was recruited.

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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    I am Manning and I am Snowden.

    These are interesting moves but there is an important move that's not forthcoming, it seems, still.

    All of these issues are protected by one single fake notion. That fake notion is the blanket threat of terrorism. It 'justifies' the tyrannical developments and justifies all those who leap to defend the state when these whistle blowers come forward with their evidence and testimony.

    What Snowden has exposed may be a big revelation for masses of the population, but masses of the population still believe that "terrorism" is real. As long as they believe that, they will huddle up together and accept the government's case for being cough red handed building the web of tyranny in our midst.

    The really big and important whistleblowing that still urgently needs to come is for someone like Snowden, with very privileged access, to come out with hard evidence of the intel agencies and governments direct involvment with directing major terrorist events around the world.

    Such a disclosure will be a tidal change in the information war. Once the masses get their heads around the fact that their 'guardians' are really the terrorists, oh maaan, that really will put the cat among the pigeons.

    After that, lights will be coming on inside heads so fast we'll all have to wear shades.
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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    Quote Posted by bogeyman (here)
    Snowden is going to be found dead, or have a nice little accident....or caught and crucified by the USG. The CIA are no doubt looking for him as well, they may use deadly force.
    betcha they already know where he is and have two agents shadowing him now... they are probably in meetings on how to snuff him out without it leading back to them...ehummmm, should we use the heart attack, the car crash, or the lone gun man, or just drone the entire building and to hell with the collateral damage...or blame it on muslims and use it as reason to increase even more our need for spying , we could probably get a bill through the congress quickly on this one , somebody call George Bush SR he owes me a favor ...
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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    My question is, how have the elite and those in power benefited from the implementation of PRISM? Will they be able to gain financially by, for example, having access to information that may boost inside trading in the stockmarket?
    My guess is that the stock market is already an almost pure game, for the amusement of small portion of the peons who still have positive net worth and delusions of belonging to the "upper middle class", and as another false indicator of how "healthy" the economy is.

    I'd also guess that the primary value of the surveillance is in the control it enables ... like hunting buffalo herds on the open plains in the American midwest in the mid 1800's, which would have been much easier had they had aerial surveillance drones with 24 hour a day monitoring of all herds and the land they moved on.

    This is an "information" war (as most wars are, at one level) and they know a heck of a lot more about us than we do of them. We're not even sure who "they" are.
    Excellent points Paul! Thanks for commenting. Also....

    Who are they? The information below is just one source of many that shows the tip of that iceberg...
    http://investing.businessweek.com/re...asp?ticker=BAH

    Insiders At Booz Allen Hamilton Holdings (BAH)

    Ralph Shrader Ph.D. --- Chairman of The Board, Chief Executive Officer, President, Chairman of Executive Committee, Chairman of Nominating & Corporate Governance Committee, Chairman of The Board of Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp, Chief Executive Officer of Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp and President of Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp -- 67

    John Mcconnell --- Vice Chairman and Executive Vice President -- 66

    Samuel Strickland --- Chief Financial Officer, Chief Accounting Officer, Chief Administrative Officer, Executive Vice President and Director -- 61

    Philip Odeen --- Director, Chairman of Compensation Committee and Member of Audit Committee -- 76

    Other Board Members On Board*

    Pierre Rodocanachi -- Active Starts 74
    Mark Gaumond -- Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corporation 61
    Peter Clare -- The Carlyle Group LP 47
    Ian Fujiyama -- The Carlyle Group LP 39
    Didier Pineau-Valencienne -- Sagard 81
    Allan Holt -- The Carlyle Group LP 60
    Arthur Johnson -- Lockheed Martin Tactical Systems, Inc. 65
    Joan Amble -- Brown-Forman Corporation 59

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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    Quote Outer Limits Episode Foresees Insidious Future of NSA
    Thanks turiya , nothing is knew.....Early TV take on multi dimentional
    mind controlled entities, sounds very familier today,
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    Default Re: Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations

    I was near a teeeveee last night and skimmed through a few debates about whether he is hero or traitor ... it was rather sickening really

    the thought kept coming to me that these alleged 'secrets' he has let loose are no different than what they were calling 'conspiracy theories' last week ... None of this is new info to any 'enemy' ... I don't see how he has endangered anyone but the liars who have denied doing this all these years

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