Solipsism, the biggest spiritual Con.

[ROMANWKT]

Solipsism, the biggest spiritual Con, ever devised against humanity and myself, ever.

What Is SOLIPSISM ?


Regards as always to you all

roman

[greybeard]

Welcome, welcome, welcome, Roman.
Very pleased your back.
Chris

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Welcome, welcome, welcome, Roman.
Very pleased your back.
Chris

HI Chris , my friend, thank you for the welcome, really nice to be talking again here, though I never left, ever, I am here daily watching all the threads, always.

Its horrible not being able to thank somebody or pass a comment of agreement, or disagreement, so Ilie and Paul gave me the code now to come and go as I please, they are fed up switching me on and off heheheh.

Really nice to see you Chris, hope you still talk to me when I finish this thread, hehehe.

Warmest regards as ever to you my friend

roman

[meeradas]

It's really nothing, Roman.


Welcome back.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by meeradas (here)
It's really nothing, Roman.


Welcome back.

Hi, OK how is that then, can you explain why its nothing, (edited, cant spell today)

regards

roman

[meeradas]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi, OK how is that then, can you explain its e-reverence.

Sorry, Roman, for mis-phrasing my welcome back note.

Here it is, corrected:

It's really nothing to worry about, imo.
I chose not to. Up to you, entirely.
Hence, no explanation [possible] here.

All the best.

[ROMANWKT]

Go to Google and find out what Solipsism is, and put here if it interest anyone.

regards
roman

[PurpleLama]

"Am I the only one who sees the solipsism?!"

Wecome back!

It is a con, but isn't. I'd say for certain only one mind is, but I'm not at all sure that it is mine.

[crosby]

from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

it is so nice to see you back Roman. welcome home again.
warmest regards, corson

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by REILLY (here)
"Am I the only one who sees the solipsism?!"

Wecome back!

It is a con, but isn't. I'd say for certain only one mind is, but I'm not at all sure that it is mine.

Hi REILLY, thank you,

You're on the right track my friend, get more explanation from googles, let see what the established view is.

regards
roman

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by corson (here)
from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.

1. If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
2. If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by corson (here)
from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

it is so nice to see you back Roman. welcome home again.
warmest regards, corson

Hi and thank you Corson, yes that seems to be the accepted version of Solipsism, check out some more, let have more version in here, so we fully understand what we are dealing with, because it has been used against humanity for thousands of years.

warmest regards Corson
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by corson (here)
from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.

1. If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
2. If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either.

Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by corson (here)
from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.

1. If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
2. If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either.

Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

Nope -- doesn't hold water.

If Solipsism is the "biggest secret", hidden from us by others for thousands of years -- then you're doing it all yourself! (And therefore, by default, there are no "others", and there can be no conspiracy. It just leaves you playing games with yourself in an empty universe.

[ROMANWKT]

If its Philosophical, so where does reality begin, or when do we start venturing into mind or illusions, where is the LINE.


dig some more up so we understand better.

regards

roman

[ulli]

I was married to a solipsist for 11 years.
The marriage ended because in his eyes I never really existed,
and he didn't like to be challenged about that.

[greybeard]

I like it simple.

One way of looking at is you are electricity and an appliance.
There are thousands of different appliances and many different voltage /amps used.
So there is God God (in the Highest) and little gods---all electricity.
Thats the paradox.
Or we are the river that runs into the sea.
Its beyond discussion and mind.
Ramana Maharshi had no problem with being the Totality all of it and yet praying to God.

You bring some interesting subjects to the table Roman --- I might not agree with all you say but I would always discuss with you/speak to you.
Respect continues through agreement or disagreement.
I would not be happy if everyone agreed with me.

Chris

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by corson (here)
from what i have read, solipsism refers to believing that only your own mind is real and that anything outside of your own mind is not real, or may not be true.

That's correct. It sounds like a philosophical argument, but the concept is actually totally meaningless. Here's why:

There are two possibilities. Either solipsism is correctly founded, or it's not.

1. If it is, you (reading this) are the only being in the universe, and you're imagining/creating everything (including these words). Therefore there's nothing to discuss, because you're only talking to yourself.
2. If it isn't... there's nothing to discuss either.

Hallo Bill

Yes you are right Bill, but if it isn't, then our understanding of reality is wrong, and has been hidden (Occulted) for thousand of years from outsiders.

Regards as ever Bill

roman

Nope -- doesn't hold water.

If Solipsism is the "biggest secret", hidden from us by others for thousands of years -- then you're doing it all yourself! (And therefore, by default, there are no "others", and there can be no conspiracy. It just leaves you playing games with yourself in an empty universe.

Yes again you are right, I am trying to hold back the reason for bringing this up Bill, until its properly understood by those that may be interested, there is obviously more to come, but must admit you got me there, you are correct BUT shall have to continue tomorrow, still a working man Bill, It get more interesting as we go on, thank you.

Warmest regards as ever to you Bill

roman

[greybeard]

If you take it that only God is, then God being formless could not experience that which he knew.
He had to become form to experience the five senses and more--- it would not be enough to be just one--there had to be subject and object--duality.
However each seemingly individual form experiences on behalf of the One.
The hand has five fingers and each a different function yet it is the hand.
The mystics will say that what you are in truth is form formless both and neither.
The mystic experiences non location---no time no space--yet is well aware and interactive at the same time---very compassionate.
The non enlightened--not being in that state--cant understand it.
So the word Solipsism is a concept---concepts can not be reality.

Chris

[crosby]

actual existence vs. phantom existence...... duality vs. singularity..... real brain and body with real thought processes vs. jelly in a bowl thinking.

i have read that there are some philosophical positions that suggest that something really doesn't exist unless it is being observed. now, i don't know if i would go along with that, because even though i am not observing my mother or my fridge at the moment, i know that they are still there. but how do i know that?
warmest regards, corson