The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Kraut]

For about a week I've been doing the "feeling the aliveness" exercise daily (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post606494). So far I have not been able to reach stage two. While I was still grounding something else happened today. Before meditating I had read an article about emotional patterns caused by childhood trauma. When I was around three my Parents got divorced and my Father moved out of country, so he was never around, the first time I "consciously" met him I was over ten years, it was a brief visit. I can't remember anything from my first years of being a kid, complete blank. What I do know is that there is a lot of inner pain stored up from that. So when I was meditating I suddenly had this impulse and started to visualize meeting myself as a child, at first around 8 years and then around 3 years. I hugged myself and told myself there was no reason to be sad and that everything was okay. What came to me then was some of that deep inner pain and I had tears streaming down my face, for a moment I felt like being that little boy again. Not that I enjoy pain and crying but I wish I could have let it all out, but unfortunately I have this mechanism where I shut down rather quickly, I can feel pain but I automatically bury it before it gets overpowering.

I do feel a connection to that little child now, I can give him the love he was seeking, it feels relieving. While I'm sitting here typing this, I am imagining having little me on my lap and holding him.

[Freed Fox]

It is encouraging, if not simply coincidental, but I believe I've been doing the exercise in #959 randomly and unconsciously to a certain degree in the past. I have never extended it to the deeper level of intuition described there though, in which one can predict various future outcomes/events. Actually, it has occurred somewhat spontaneously since I had my "Gaia" experience (post #656).

TH, you speak of that level (of intuition) as the observer and the observed momentarily becoming one. I wouldn't disagree with that description necessarily, though I have perceived it being like universal communication; wordless, but full of profound meaning. Like a deeper truth briefly peeking out from behind a dense, illusory veil (also discussed elsewhere in this thread). Usually it lasts for only a few seconds, but when it happens I try to embrace it or at least remain open to the experience without engaging in over-analysis.

I have little doubt that some - if not many - will disagree with what I'm about to say, and though we have touched on this also I feel the need to bring it up in an attempt to convey what I feel has been communicated to me during these moments. Also, I think it may not ring true for some in part because, although we are all derived from Source, we have each had individual journeys both in this life and lifetimes in the past, so we therefore have different spiritual histories and thus, to an extent, different personal truths.

I do not dismiss that one can feel quite content and at peace with their current situation as they progress spiritually...not at all. But for me, the profound sensation and 'deeper truth' strongly suggests alien origin. Perhaps it means that my current incarnation is my first one as a homo sapien. I can't really confirm that because I have never experienced past life regression. I fully understand the ways in which modern society can serve to engender feelings of alienation and separateness, and the ways this sensation can be viewed as a derivative of the ego. It can also arise psychologically as a result of being an outcast, or abandoned by loved ones, among a few other things. However, as much as I do not feel I belong here, I don't believe this comes from any extension of those factors. I feel greater levels of compassion for humanity (by and large) as I progress, and I have plenty of people for whom I care about. What can perhaps be seen as a rejection of my humanity is not a rejection of humanity itself (if that makes sense). Please note, however, that this doesn't mean that I am rejecting my current situation and experience outright. On the contrary, I am seeking to grow, learn, and accept as much as I can.

This feeling does not seem to me to be something to necessarily overcome. I do not see it as an egoistic projection or suggestion that I am somehow better than those around me, but rather just inherently foreign. It feels very strongly to be, again, a deeper personal truth and perhaps it is a blessing that, for now, I cannot fully recall my true origins specifically.

Anyway, that's enough rambling from me for now. I hope I've described this in a way to adequately avoid confusion...

EDIT: 'Rejection' might have been poor word choice on my part... What I meant was rather a non-association, or perhaps a certain kind of 'incompatibility'... The proper (or most accurate) term is escaping me at the moment.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi Kraut,

Whenever I work with someone else using counselling or psychotherapy, I quickly start to see their face seem to change to some point when they were a younger age. I do this by being “at one” with them and by being “nothing” from an egoic point of view, which I guess is the same as operating from my Higher Mind.

It sounds to me that you must have managed to do something similar with yourself – been “at one” with yourself, and the “energy” (or, rather, the stillness) has taken you back to two ages where you were emotionally wounded, and therefore subconsciously had been stuck in the past there to some extent. After all, the fact that you could identify what ages they were is probably the equivalent of when I see the person’s face change to them at such and such a younger age.

I haven’t mentioned so far that it’s possible to be “at one” with oneself. But in meditation one is always doing so.

I think your thread on life as a Jehovah’s Witness has some awesome material in it. It taught me some things about how conditioning works. Most sects greatly repress a person’s inner child, which is the bodily consciousness in each of us that looks after our bodies. I guess that’s because sects want to control you body and soul.

It’s great that you’re accessing memories or feelings from ages three and nine. For most people, it takes some time of handling stuck energy at older ages than that before they are subconsciously willing to look at their biggest traumas, which usually occur somewhere between ages zero and nine. I can see that you’ve already made huge progress, and you must feel like you’re a new person already. I would encourage you to keep doing whatever you already are, because it’s working!

Herzliche Grusse

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
It is encouraging, if not simply coincidental, but I believe I've been doing the exercise in #959 randomly and unconsciously to a certain degree in the past. I have never extended it to the deeper level of intuition described there though, in which one can predict various future outcomes/events.

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Well, I wasn't actually talking about using intuition so masterfully as to predict likely future outcomes, except at an individual level.

TH, you speak of that level (of intuition) as the observer and the observed momentarily becoming one. I wouldn't disagree with that description necessarily, though I have perceived it being like universal communication; wordless, but full of profound meaning. Like a deeper truth briefly peeking out from behind a dense, illusory veil (also discussed elsewhere in this thread). Usually it lasts for only a few seconds, but when it happens I try to embrace it or at least remain open to the experience without engaging in over-analysis.

Quite right. You can learn to make it last almost indefinitely, though, rather than for a few seconds. Marina (MK777) and mr white have both spoken of experiencing everyone at two levels. This is what I hope you'll all learn to do eventually. You get used to living on both levels continuously. No big deal really.

... I do not dismiss that one can feel quite content and at peace with their current situation as they progress spiritually...not at all. But for me, the profound sensation and 'deeper truth' strongly suggests alien origin. Perhaps it means that my current incarnation is my first one as a homo sapien. I can't really confirm that because I have never experienced past life regression.

I don't believe in regression. I strongly prefer a person to regain direct memories. That's worked for me, at least.

I fully understand the ways in which modern society can serve to engender feelings of alienation and separateness, and the ways this sensation can be viewed as a derivative of the ego. It can also arise psychologically as a result of being an outcast, or abandoned by loved ones, among a few other things. However, as much as I do not feel I belong here, I don't believe this comes from any extension of those factors. I feel greater levels of compassion for humanity (by and large) as I progress, and I have plenty of people for whom I care about. What can perhaps be seen as a rejection of my humanity is not a rejection of humanity itself (if that makes sense). Please note, however, that this doesn't mean that I am rejecting my current situation and experience outright. On the contrary, I am seeking to grow, learn, and accept as much as I can.

Sounds very similar to the number one issue I wanted to get off my chest in this thread:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...y-true-origins

[Freed Fox]

I had forgotten all about that thread. I'm only on the second page, but it's quite interesting so far. So much of what you relate really resonates with me, TH... Quite strongly, although I don't have firsthand experience with various aspects of it. I am grateful to have your perspective here on Avalon... Thank you.

[Freed Fox]

Hopefully there will be more reports of higher intuition and healing, like Kraut has shared above (thanks Kraut). In the meantime, I'll share a dream I had last night which was quite long and filled with symbolism which I don't quite understand (hope that's alright).

I was working as a medical assistant in a large complex which contained both the clinic itself and apartment buildings. We received a report from another hospital/clinic that a man had killed himself on site by lighting himself on fire (self immolation). I wanted to talk about the incident further, but one of my co-workers (a young woman, early to mid-twenties) adamantly refused, saying that it was too frightening to her.

A patient came in to either get treated or vaccinated. The inoculation that we administered to him was contained in a shiny, golden, square-shaped cassette. One of the only details from the dream which I can't recall, was the purpose/significance of the cassette and its contents.

Later, about twenty of us who worked at the clinic gathered together for some kind of meeting or briefing. The room was tiny (barely big enough for us all to stand shoulder to shoulder). We were waiting for one last employee, a middle aged woman (perhaps in her early forties). When she arrived, she was clearly very angry and distraught. She revealed that she was carrying a firearm, and proceeded to open fire on everyone inside.

Four (including me) survived the shooting, by falling to the floor and essentially playing dead. The close quarters had been far too cramped for anyone to do otherwise, not to mention that we were all caught off guard by the attack. The four of us picked ourselves up from amongst the bodies and left to find the shooter, whom we believed to be in another part of the complex. Apparently calling the police wasn't an option as it didn't even seem to occur to us.

We stopped by one of our apartments to change clothes, as we were covered in blood. Underneath my own clothes I was wearing those old fashioned long-john style undergarments, which was strange for me, but even stranger was that they had black and white stripes like prisoners used to wear before the bright orange jumpsuits. When I took off my pants, I was alarmed to see that a spider web had been woven on the inside of them, obviously quite recently. I dropped them on the floor and a large spider crawled out. It had black and yellow stripes on its back (like a bumblebee).

I went into the room where my co-workers were to tell them about it, but they were distracted by a large beetle on the wall. It was about the size of an old pocket watch, and it had a blue sticker on its back with a white "power" symbol (a circle with a vertical line at the 12 o'clock position, as found on many computers and electronics). It crawled up to about eye level and began to speak. It said; "Woe is the man who crosses me! I am the Woe Man!" (Kind of a silly joke/play on words). Apparently that was the line of absurdity, because it caused me to realize that I was dreaming and I "woke up", into another dream.

In that dream (which I thought to be waking reality), I was actually recording the previous dream to share here on Avalon. The weird thing was that apparently there was a new version of Google, which was always active and provided results in real time, off to the side, even if you weren't using the search engine. It was more sophisticated in that it picked out different terms in the text you typed and provided a list of related terms and phrases along with their meaning or relevance. I briefly examined the list, which made sense to me except for two items which didn't strike me as relevant at all. Those two exceptions were "Nigerian Ground Forces" and "Horus" (as in the Egyptian god).

I was compelled suddenly to go outside, so I did so. I walked out to the corner of the property wherein one edge is comprised of a row of trees and the other is a street which leads into town. Beyond the trees I noticed movement, and a closer look revealed that there was a large grey wolf coming toward me. It was not running, but trotting at a fairly brisk pace. I was alarmed by the uncanny sensation that it meant to do me harm. I started to shout and growl at it in an attempt to scare it away, but to no avail. I quickly searched the ground nearby and found a short tree branch with a sharp-looking end, which I picked up.

Evidently I wasn't the only one sensing a threat from the wolf, as my dog suddenly came and tackled the wolf from the side. Due to the element of surprise it managed to momentarily pin the larger canine to the ground. The wolf lashed out at my dog, and in that moment of distraction I stabbed at it with the stick.

Just then, a noise behind me caused me to turn around, toward the street. There I saw a sheer white car driving down the street. It was veiled in what looked like a translucent white sheet, giving both the car and its driver a ghostly appearance. I could barely make out the driver, but she appeared to be an old woman with short, frazzled hair. She was staring straight forward as if in a trance. At that point I (actually) woke up, and was compelled to write it all down.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Hopefully there will be more reports of higher intuition and healing, like Kraut has shared above (thanks Kraut).

“Intuition” is a vast topic. As I see it, it covers absolutely everything to do with the Higher Mind – but let’s recognize that the Higher Mind still makes use of thoughts, feelings, and “feelings” (non-physical sensings) whenever appropriate, even though they’ll be more wholistic kinds of thoughts than “normal”. Very interesting that you mention healing, because it features in your dream, as I’ll explain below.

In the meantime, I'll share a dream I had last night which was quite long and filled with symbolism which I don't quite understand (hope that's alright).

I was working as a medical assistant in a large complex which contained both the clinic itself and apartment buildings. We received a report from another hospital/clinic that a man had killed himself on site by lighting himself on fire (self immolation). I wanted to talk about the incident further, but one of my co-workers (a young woman, early to mid-twenties) adamantly refused, saying that it was too frightening to her.

Here we have what I believe is the main theme and “message” of your dream. You have fear of your own power that you haven’t fully acknowledged to yourself. And, so far you haven’t fully acknowledged how strong your own power is now. You’re not sure when to use a sledgehammer or not, but you realize that a sledgehammer can be destructive when the press of a fingertip may have been all that was needed.

A patient came in to either get treated or vaccinated. The inoculation that we administered to him was contained in a shiny, golden, square-shaped cassette. One of the only details from the dream which I can't recall, was the purpose/significance of the cassette and its contents.

The golden cassette sounds exactly like how a healing can look in the astral. I believe this means that psychic healing is one aspect of power that you don’t fully realize you already have.

Later, about twenty of us who worked at the clinic gathered together for some kind of meeting or briefing. The room was tiny (barely big enough for us all to stand shoulder to shoulder). We were waiting for one last employee, a middle aged woman (perhaps in her early forties). When she arrived, she was clearly very angry and distraught. She revealed that she was carrying a firearm, and proceeded to open fire on everyone inside.

Again, great power can be very destructive when abused, so you need to work on how to use it properly.

Four (including me) survived the shooting, by falling to the floor and essentially playing dead. The close quarters had been far too cramped for anyone to do otherwise, not to mention that we were all caught off guard by the attack. The four of us picked ourselves up from amongst the bodies and left to find the shooter, whom we believed to be in another part of the complex. Apparently calling the police wasn't an option as it didn't even seem to occur to us.

We stopped by one of our apartments to change clothes, as we were covered in blood. Underneath my own clothes I was wearing those old fashioned long-john style undergarments, which was strange for me, but even stranger was that they had black and white stripes like prisoners used to wear before the bright orange jumpsuits. When I took off my pants, I was alarmed to see that a spider web had been woven on the inside of them, obviously quite recently. I dropped them on the floor and a large spider crawled out. It had black and yellow stripes on its back (like a bumblebee).

You felt guilty and frightened when in the astral you saw the acting out of the destructive side of your power. It’s OK to act out like this in a dream, provided you’re in the astral levels or higher. In the etheric world you’ll still be having an effect on people in the physical world. But acting out like this is in an OBE in the astral is a useful form of self-psychotherapy. Say you (your ego) inwardly felt like murdering someone. You could act it out in a dream in the astral and get that off your chest.

I went into the room where my co-workers were to tell them about it, but they were distracted by a large beetle on the wall. It was about the size of an old pocket watch, and it had a blue sticker on its back with a white "power" symbol (a circle with a vertical line at the 12 o'clock position, as found on many computers and electronics). It crawled up to about eye level and began to speak. It said; "Woe is the man who crosses me! I am the Woe Man!" (Kind of a silly joke/play on words). Apparently that was the line of absurdity, because it caused me to realize that I was dreaming and I "woke up", into another dream.

Yet again, the same message. You’re powerful and switched on, and at the moment you can be dangerous – or you’re learning how not to be dangerous.

I’d say the second dream was mostly a variant of the first. Same themes pretty much. I’ll make some comments on it in my next post.

[TraineeHuman]

Regarding power. Power is the ultimate test for transcending the ego. I guess it’s such a tough test because power can easily become intoxicating. I think that’s because it’s attractive, and it’s attractive because of its connection with and promise of freedom.

The mere fact that your Higher Mind is trying to tell you you are already very powerful inside says good things about where you evolvement is at. You don’t need to be in a position of organisational power, like a politician or a CEO. Not even in a position where you have strong influence on at least some individuals, such as a schoolteacher or a mother. You just need to come to terms with power inwardly, because that is the quite advanced level that you now happen to be at.

How do you learn to use power wisely? Firstly, I’ve already made a post today about how the Higher Mind should be firm with but speak gently and softly to the ego. This is post # 59 in the following thread in Spirituality:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...llusions/page3
In your dream you have a wolf and a dog. You may know that at some points in humanity’s past, the biggest cause of fear was wolves or saber-toothed tigers. I believe that’s why we today have domesticated versions of these as pets. That’s exactly what we need to do with the ego: domesticate it, tame it.

Another suggestion I would have is that you’ll have to get over any reluctance you may feel to using power in an unpopular way. The word “bitch” has various shades of meaning, and in my country the word “bastard” means much the same, except often a male version of a “bitch”. Well, you need to be willing to be a bit of a bastard whenever you’re confronted with any piece of bastardry, even if a small piece of it, perhaps. It just means that in a detached way you’re playing the game at the low, ugly level the other person insists on playing it at. But don’t be too indulgent in such a situation, of course.

Finally, here’s a quote about power from Benthov’s book on higher consciousness referenced in Awake’s recent post above:
“The whole [universe] is designed so that the more consciousness learns, the more responsibility it gets, and the more troubles go with it, because it has more to control.”

[Finefeather]

Posted by Eram (here)
Hi Ray,
I think this is the first time that I find one of your posts confusing and difficult to understand.
This was some tough information to get my mind around and I still haven't gotten to all of it
I shall read it again for a few more times and maybe then I have some questions.

one question for now...
When you say:

When we do normal OB travel around the neighborhood and try to sneak into the room of the girl next door we are in the etheric plane. This should immediately give you some idea of why this level of OB is not recommended unless you have learn t to keep your nose out of your neighbor's house...not to mention that it is not a very high level in terms of the levels...so not much to learn here...mainly just for fun and snooping. You can incur negative karma in this state...so be careful what you get up to. In this state we are usually alone and on our own little trip. We are the same mind so do not think you become cleverer just because you can fly around and walk through buildings

Just to remind you that negative karma, technically, is simply a vibration we have merged with or created our self, which can result in lowering our overall state of vibration in that body...something we are trying to avoid.

Would you agree that it is possible to build negative karma and undo that buildup again in one lifetime?
I'm not talking about creating negative karma in the astral specifically, but negative karma in general (build up in every day life).

For instance.... When a person becomes a Hells Angel hard core criminal at one point in his life and builds up negative karma there, then later in life turns his life around and finds some form of enlightenment, or detachment if you will and hence undo negative karma, would that result in an end result of losing negative karma? (Hope I'm not blabbering too much here)

Hi Eram
Sorry for the late reply but was away for a few days to recharge
This post was a little more involved than I usually venture to post...but I thought it would be a good idea to get a little deeper. I am starting to use a new term which I am more comfortable with...which is...envelope...instead of 'body' because people confuse 'body' with something like the physical body and are not understanding the real facts about our constitution. An envelope is a layer of our Selves. The outer most one is the physical body and inner most one is the real Self...the only indestructible part of us.

I think it is possible to correct negative karma in one life time...but the problem is always how deep seated the problem is. Many people I know, and have read about, have had dramatic changes in their lives, for the better, and this would indicate that they are doing the right thing...at last

Something that most are not comfortable with...but is in fact quite interesting...and explains much...is that the various 'bodies' or envelopes we each have...which are the physical, etheric, emotional and mental...each can have separate karma. The problem lies in our rather narrow idea of what karma is. The term karma is usually considered to be some basic thing like...if we are bad to someone we get bad back. In fact there are 2 distinct parts to karma...they are Cause and Effect...and Reap what we Sow. Cause and effect is to do with not taking into account the laws of the Cosmos...and Reap what we Sow is to do with our interaction with other Self's. I might do 1 post on karma sometime to explain this better.
The important thing to understand is that karma ceases when we evolve and pass into the 5th Kingdom of nature (7D)... Right now we are in the 4th Kingdom (6D) which is the human kingdom.
Karma is also not the biggest thing which can prevent our growth...we have to at the same time refine the atomic matter which makes up the various envelopes or 'bodies' we have between the physical 'plane' (3D) and the Causal 'plane' (6D) in order for us to pass into 7D...5th Kingdom of nature. For example if we are all sweet and good without any will to increase our rate of vibration we can just remain put in one place with very little evolutionary growth...we will just end up being a very nice person all our life with no will to grow.

This brings us to the importance of practices which tend to refine our natures or dharma as we progress. Often a quite highly developed Self can have a disastrous incarnation by...lets say...falling under the spell of sexual desires...this can have a bad effect on the emotional envelope or 'body' and very little growth takes place in that one life.
Each incarnation has a brand NEW physical, etheric, emotional and mental 'body' or envelope and we refine these as best we can...in order to grow the Causal or Higher Mind so we can evolve into the 5th Kingdom of nature. As we grow and as our refinement improves in each of our envelopes we become more and more objectively conscious of the real Self which is at present in the Causal envelope or Higher Mind...this is the true reason for us to need to become conscious of the Higher Mind or Causal Envelope.

Remember this...We cannot undo the vibrational state of the Causal Envelope or Higher Mind...as we are calling it here. If we have a bad incarnation it just means we need to do it all over again. Each incarnation adds to the refinement of the Self and cannot be undone by anyone. What you have achieved is part of you forever...we cannot loose what we have worked so hard for, for millions of years, just because of one bad incarnation.

Now TH has mentioned that he was a guardian angel before this incarnation. This means that he was not on the human chain and theoretically we might think that he is therefore free of karma because the angel or deva path is simply another path to evolution where incarnation into physical bodies does not take place. Well this is actually so...but the Selves on the deva chain...anywhere between 5D and 6D and rarely from higher dimensions...still need to refine their vibrational state in order to evolve...they do this by will and service to other Selves. This should also tell you another story...that the human chain or path is the most difficult path to follow and many Selves stay far away from this path. So we should welcome TH here on this challenging path.

Take care and love to all
Ray

[TraineeHuman]

We all naturally possess the skill of being “at one”. We practice it extensively in our infancy – which I suspect has much to do with the “extraordinary” rate at which young children master languages and learn generally – much quicker than adults. Then we go to school, and there we "learn" that this skill is as verboten as it is to talk about any fairies we might see at the bottom of the garden – even if it’s as full of fairies as the back garden at my home was. We still continue to understand other people by going “at one” with them for brief periods, but now we have learnt that we have to bring in the scheming rational mind as well. We have now learnt that what we once knew with certainty by going “at one” isn’t – supposedly – so reliable, and that it’s a lower level of knowing instead of the higher level it in fact is.

I’m sure that ancient human and even pre-human civilizations weren’t the ego-dominated caveperson scenario that the history books teach us. Rather, I’m sure that the leaders in those ancient clans and villages or cave-networks and societies formulated and taught and lived by principles based on their intuition. No doubt those principles or ways of behaving prevailed which seemed to be the wiser ones. And one knew which ones those were probably by using one’s intuition, mainly. It all came down pretty much just to this simple skill.

So I’d like to urge you all again to go out and experiment a little with being “at one” for brief periods. Be “at one” with one of your close friends, with your home, with rooms in your home, with food, with your workplace (briefly, and with prior grounding and invocation of psychic protection), with politicians or whoever on TV (again, with the above precautions), with your bank account. At one point years ago, after practicing this I discovered that I could use it to watch scenes from the past or the likeliest future. I can also go to an art gallery, for instance, and watch something remaining from the Higher Mind of the artist who painted a picture – and I can see scenes from their life and how they felt inwardly, and so on. You can learn to do all that, too. But you need to just practice this skill a lot, and throw aside the conditioning from the education system that this is unsophisticated. Your life will become richer – and simpler. You can move mountains, but often a small boulder or a speck of dust will do. This is the power of love in its simplest form. But you need to get over your conditioned resistance to keeping on doing it.

[TraineeHuman]

My experience of meditation has been dominated by “the Void”, or else has always been in the shadow of the Void, so to speak. Each morning I meditate for ten to fifteen minutes, and usually enter “the Void” at least briefly, or longer, during that time.

What is “the Void”? Well, one way to explain it is if you go totally “at one” with the “I” that is the real you, the real, inner, deeper, heart of you, if you do that then – pop! – it turns into, and you feel as if you turn into, “empty space”, or a palpable and dynamic “nothing” or no-thing-ness. Or whatever it is that was and is there “before” existence itself and the universe itself ever was or is, or could be.

Benthov explains it – plus meeting your own Higher Mind – in the following way in his handbook on higher consciousness (pp.81ff) that Awake referenced a link to in post #955:

You decide to call on the being responsible for All-there-is. So you stick out your chest and say in a challenging voice, “I want to see the top God. Who is in charge here, anyway?”
Suddenly, a great column of blinding light appears in front of you. The light is so powerful, and the vibrations emanating from the column so overwhelming, that for a moment you feel like the sorcerer’s apprentice. You bit off more than you can chew. Your teeth are rattling, your knees are a little wobbly….
Suddenly … you realize that the something you see must be IT, the real thing! … and there in front of you sits … the Lord of the system … and guess who it is? It is your SELF….
Since verbal communication makes little sense here, you decide to use the old tested merging technique... [Note by TH: this is the technique of being “at one” with. Obviously Benthov discovered it just like I did.] You turn around and start backing slowly into your [golden, divine, so-called] body…. You are almost merged with your body, when suddenly you just click into it, and --- BANG! The whole thing explodes! There are no bodies, just the void. You have become the void. You are the void.
… You have been the void all along. You are pure consciousness or pure awareness, and that is the supreme SELF that has been guiding you through the long and eventful trip back to itself.

This is all consistent with Bill Ryan’s current thread about in reality “being invisible”, is it not? The Higher Mind is, indeed, so to speak, invisible, or omnipresent. In addition, any time you practice being “at one” with anyone or anything, you are also doing it invisibly, so to speak. That’s because you are experiencing and knowing from the inside, from the heart – instead of from the outside and killing the heart, as we’re accustomed to “normally” doing.

You don’t need to wait for the Big Experience of the Void before you can practice “being invisible” here and there, or in fact anywhere.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
We all naturally possess the skill of being “at one”. We practice it extensively in our infancy – which I suspect has much to do with the “extraordinary” rate at which young children master languages and learn generally – much quicker than adults. Then we go to school, and there we "learn" that this skill is as verboten as it is to talk about any fairies we might see at the bottom of the garden – even if it’s as full of fairies as the back garden at my home was. We still continue to understand other people by going “at one” with them for brief periods, but now we have learnt that we have to bring in the scheming rational mind as well. We have now learnt that what we once knew with certainty by going “at one” isn’t – supposedly – so reliable, and that it’s a lower level of knowing instead of the higher level it in fact is.

So I’d like to urge you all again to go out and experiment a little with being “at one” for brief periods. Be “at one” with one of your close friends, with your home, with rooms in your home, with food, with your workplace (briefly, and with prior grounding and invocation of psychic protection), with politicians or whoever on TV (again, with the above precautions), with your bank account.

At one point years ago, after practicing this I discovered that I could use it to watch scenes from the past or the likeliest future. I can also go to an art gallery, for instance, and watch something remaining from the Higher Mind of the artist who painted a picture – and I can see scenes from their life and how they felt inwardly, and so on.

You can learn to do all that, too. But you need to just practice this skill a lot, and throw aside the conditioning from the education system that this is unsophisticated. Your life will become richer – and simpler. You can move mountains, but often a small boulder or a speck of dust will do. This is the power of love in its simplest form. But you need to get over your conditioned resistance to keeping on doing it.

yes yes yes, here we go!

i am learning to master this more and more. the other day i went to the mall with my daughter and i was just 'present' and observing. no tantrums, and i felt as though i was able to side step any weary characters and areas without much of a second thought. also with this, i am working to put trust in myself, and have trust in my HS (and GA, SG etc). personally i still have not been in direct conscious contact with guardian angels or spirit guides, im trusting they are there.

i also want to add an experience. yesterday while at work, i started feeling this INTENSE drill pain in the left side of my forehead. i had an intuition to pervade my energy outward, and send my light out of my body to define my space. well, immediately the pain would recede to nothing, then come back. so i did this over and over again because the pain was persistent. and i generally never get headaches. long story short, by end of the day the pain kept persisting, but i kept managing my space to send it out. at one point i just simply requested any GA, SG, HS help to remove this pest once and for all, and poof. nothing. i couldnt feel the energy that was fighting me all day.

that was kind of cool.

[edit] to add that i did intend and meant that im working to trust myself, and trust that god is with me/i am god.
i also might be a bit quiet for the next little while, as i am working really hard to catch up on my (recommended) reading.

[Shamz]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
My experience of meditation has been dominated by “the Void”, or else has always been in the shadow of the Void, so to speak. Each morning I meditate for ten to fifteen minutes, and usually enter “the Void” at least briefly, or longer, during that time.

What is “the Void”? Well, one way to explain it is if you go totally “at one” with the “I” that is the real you, the real, inner, deeper, heart of you, if you do that then – pop! – it turns into, and you feel as if you turn into, “empty space”, or a palpable and dynamic “nothing” or no-thing-ness. Or whatever it is that was and is there “before” existence itself and the universe itself ever was or is, or could be.

Benthov explains it – plus meeting your own Higher Mind – in the following way in his handbook on higher consciousness (pp.81ff) that Awake referenced a link to in post #946:

You decide to call on the being responsible for All-there-is. So you stick out your chest and say in a challenging voice, “I want to see the top God. Who is in charge here, anyway?”
Suddenly, a great column of blinding light appears in front of you. The light is so powerful, and the vibrations emanating from the column so overwhelming, that for a moment you feel like the sorcerer’s apprentice. You bit off more than you can chew. Your teeth are rattling, your knees are a little wobbly….
Suddenly … you realize that the something you see must be IT, the real thing! … and there in front of you sits … the Lord of the system … and guess who it is? It is your SELF….
Since verbal communication makes little sense here, you decide to use the old tested merging technique... [Note by TH: this is the technique of being “at one” with. Obviously Benthov discovered it just like I did.] You turn around and start backing slowly into your [golden, divine, so-called] body…. You are almost merged with your body, when suddenly you just click into it, and --- BANG! The whole thing explodes! There are no bodies, just the void. You have become the void. You are the void.
… You have been the void all along. You are pure consciousness or pure awareness, and that is the supreme SELF that has been guiding you through the long and eventful trip back to itself.

This is all consistent with Bill Ryan’s current thread about in reality “being invisible”, is it not? The Higher Mind is, indeed, so to speak, invisible, or omnipresent. In addition, any time you practice being “at one” with anyone or anything, you are also doing it invisibly, so to speak. That’s because you are experiencing and knowing from the inside, from the heart – instead of from the outside and killing the heart, as we’re accustomed to “normally” doing.

You don’t need to wait for the Big Experience of the Void before you can practice “being invisible” here and there, or in fact anywhere.

Thanks TH and AwakeInDreams - I read Itzhak Bentov's Brief Tour of Higher Consciousness - this is an amazing book written in simple and kind of humorous style. I felt so many vibrations reading the part that TH mentioned just above about meeting your higher self. I know all this but I just need to realize this now and thats what takes time.

Love

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
also with this, i am working to put trust, and have trust in my HS (and GA, SG etc). personally i still have not been in direct conscious contact with guardian angels or spirit guides, im trusting they are there.

I appreciate most of your post was about developing trust in yourself. I'd say that's much more important than learning to trust GAs etc. I giess that trusting yourself is just about what intuition amounts to anyway, if it's not done as egotism.

I'd like to suggest that you, and everyone, should try the following exercise also.

EXERCISE
First step Ground yourself and make yourself relaxed and stress-free. Next, you need to discover what kind of gut-level "feeling" or "sensing" means Yes rather than No for you when you ask your consciousness a Yes/No question. For most people, a lighter overall "sensation" within them (around their belly or their insides) rather than a heavier one means Yes.

If you can do the exercise from post #24, that can be modified for this purpose also, if you like.

Second step Team up with your fiancee or a friend or two, and take turns asking each other those questions you or they always wished you or they had the answers to, but strictly in Yes/No form. After each question, the person giving the answer Yes or No should pause and keep grounded and out of their head, and should also pause to ground themselves, say, for ten seconds between giving an answer and taking the next question. (One good grounding method is to stamp your heels up and down while keeping your toes on the ground.)

The answers may not all be so accurate at first, maybe. But your intuition/knowing can't "find" an answer out of nothing without in some way going "at one" with the person asking the question, even if you're not specifically conscious you're actually going "at one" when you respond to a question.

The person answering questions will be more specifically accurate if their level of consciousness, i.e. their degree of access to Higher Mind, is greater. It helps to meditate properly beforehand (see e.g. post #283).

Finally, it's good to also practice the exercise of being "at one", with people and things and so on, as a quite separate exercise.

[Jake]

Hi guys. I just want to say that it is a highlight of mee day to come in here and catch up on what is being discussed here. You are all Wizards!! Being a seeker of truth and wisdom,, I will have an important question to ask. Important to me, anyways. I have not yet turned the corner with my understanding of astral bodies (planets/moons/stars/etc) and consciousness. I have witnessed astral (non-physical) counterparts of myself and others, I have traveled Outside my body (4d5d) with my dog on several occasions! Even the thought responsive environment that I find myself in (real-time projection) manifests an astral/energetic counterpart to houses/walls/cars/buildings/artwork,,, etc. I mentioned in another post that when I am out of body that I always see two moons. I am never sure why. I have made my way to the moon on occasion (not an experiment that I care to repeat.) But the second one is quite elusive!! I have tried chasing it!!! Several times!! I have chased it into mountains, into the sky, into rivers,, I CANNOT catch it. I have long since given up the chase, but the Two Moons Phenomenon remains. There are always two moons. I have done lots of research, and asked many projectors about it. Robert Bruce says it is most likely what he calls a 'reality fluctuation'. (It has been discussed briefly, small nuances of difference between physical and astral environments that may or may not appear.) I have experienced 'memories' of places when I have astral projected there. Only discovered that it was a memory after some research. (I don't think the astral environments care that we must take our understanding of Time with us. ) So many times, these small nuances of difference are not just 'archetypal' leftovers from a subconscious mind. I have suggested that we are creating our physical realities in powerful ways when we are out of body. I saw my small dog Willow, in an OBE many years before she came into our lives. (I have not yet seen the exact scene, but I expect to, and there will be a mind-numbing deja-vu! it has happened before!)

I have also heard other projectors mention that there is always a 'protective' light present when they go out of body. Now, I am no dummy when it comes to a basic understanding of Higher Self and the challenge of breaking down the human filter barriers that stand in the way of communion! But I am in NO way going to say that I have it all figured out. NO SIREE!!!

So I bare my soul to you all again. Can anyone help me to speculate on the meaning of the Two Moons? Is anyone having the same experience? A very wise person suggested to me that the Astral counterpart to the moon was its astral body. Its astral body sitting next to its physical,, (or that's what it is looking like to my interpretive goggles!!) I have not yet come to a comfortable understanding of the consciousness of planets and moons. (a major human egotistical flaw, thinking that consciousness is somehow HUMAN!) I would love to hear your thoughts and comments. You have all proved yourself,, to me anyways!!! A 'roundtable' of projectors!!!!! I friggin love it!!! We are breaking through!!!! Thanks for your time. any comments would be appreciated.

Jake.

[TraineeHuman]

I did a very quick intuitive “reading”. This suggested there are two physical moons. The second one seems to be heavily militarized. It may be very difficult to find by astral travel. That’s because there’s some kind of cloaking of it at an astral level. It isn’t invisibility-cloaked at a physical level even though they have the technology to do that. Presumably, that’s because the second moon’s orbit makes it very hard to find somehow. There’s such heavy secrecy there, it would be hard to find much if you did manage to go there anyway, though it seemed clear there’s something going on to do with rocket technology.

[TraineeHuman]

At this stage in our exploration we have mostly gone beyond even the foundations of pure reason and we have found at least the beginnings of intuition, and also experience – which can be of heightened or peaceful levels, particularly in meditation, or of whatever intuition involves, which includes gut “feeling”. This is not by any means the last thing I intend to say about intuition and how it works.

In addition to intuition and experience, in the true “I” we at least also find aliveness, and will, plus we find consciousness in the sense of intelligence but something that’s beyond pure reason, or certainly more than it. What in the world are these things?? I promise I’ll try to eventually make it real what they are too. For now, I hope you’re all practicing “at-one-ness” and using your gut feeling. By the way, “feeling” of some kind stays with you no matter how high a world you go to or be, as does “meaning” of some kind. Parts of what “will”, “aliveness”, and “consciousness” mean overlap with these two.

We have now at least very briefly seen how our physical sensations – and hence the whole physical world – betray us because the “solid” and “direct” impressions we get from them are an illusion created by pure energy. And that pure energy is itself created by the pure experiencing subject – us. And so, as we journey deeper inside, and higher, we are in what feels like fresh, new territory. Obviously, it must be higher than the physical (3D) and the mental (5D). So yes, it must be one or more dimensions of the Higher Mind.

In this “place” we need to be ready for more surprises. For instance, I’d suggest to you that the only time there really is is the eternal Now, and that in reality time doesn’t flow, at all. But something that does really exist even in the highest dimensions is what we know as change. Physical time is an attempt to deal with change physically. There are higher dimensions which are beyond even both the measurable and the immeasurable – but that will sound to you like just a mental concept at present, so I need to find ways to gradually make some of these things real to you experientially. But change is found in all the dimensions, and it replaces what we know as physical time.

Similarly, physical space is replaced by something non-material. I guess for now the word “absence” describes this.

I just need to come up with ways that you’ll be able to get a handle on all these things at an experiential level.

[TraineeHuman]

Just a shopping list of some more of the issues I need to find experiential exercises for to try and make the essence of some higher D stuff more real. That way hopefully you’ll be able to get specific experience and eventually discuss it based on such experience. (But please continue to feel free to post anything you consider relevant to the Higher Mind and OB experience including meditation, plus anything relevant to getting free of the ego’s influence. Don’t wait for me, because I still need to invent and test most of the exercises before you’ll see them!)

Also, there’s a whole other area of how to “incarnate” what’s in the Higher Mind more into the physical. I’ll be getting to that at some stage too. The experiential exercises will automatically cover some of that anyway, once I’ve got some more to give you. Meanwhile, back to the Higher Mind.

One of the things we use our intuition to do is to create. But whenever we create, that’s a type of action. So, action is another example of something that is found in all the higher worlds. Ultimately, though, in the highest worlds we get actions without any actors. Action happens, life happens, intelligence happens. It’s not a clockwork universe. There’s no grandfather master clockmaker who made the clock; the clock makes itself, and keeps on re-making itself, and to be honest there was no beginning. This is a pull-yourself-up-by-your own-bootstraps universe.

Even our states of rest are just states of equilibrium within some grander action. So, what is “action” really?

Also, consciousness or aliveness only becomes full when it’s reflective, when there’s a particular type of action which we call reflection, from consciousness back to itself. So, reflection, which I take it is a kind of action, is necessary here. Ironically, we often think of action as being physical. And maybe we watch a movie, where scriptwriters consider the most powerful and dramatic “action” – in their lingo – to be inner, emotional action, like desire. But what does “action” look like, so to speak, when taken up into the dimensions beyond the ego and the lower mind?

Another question is: how do we even get any kind of handle on what change is? Because it’s – well, always changing --, how do we grab onto that slippery bar of soap without squashing it completely? And what kind of “movement” does change imply, if it’s not physical movement?

Another question is, what is the relationship between action, or change, on the one hand, and pure being or beingness or aliveness? How do we integrate or combine the two? (I guess some of these questions were explored by the Spanish philosopher Spinoza a few centuries ago. His philosophical system was all about Absolutes. An “Absolute” is, to me, anything that’s infinite. If you add something to an infinity, it’s still an infinity, and usually it will remain the same infinity as before you added the thing to it. I guess many would think of “God” as the only Absolute, but I’d suggest that anything infinite is an Absolute too. In the twentieth century the Yale philosopher J.N. Findlay developed the philosophy of Absolutes further – though by the twentieth century philosophers knew that no philosophical system or “theory of everything” can ever possibly work , because the conceptual is inherently too full of limitations --, so I’ll take a look at some of their conceptual discoveries.)

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
I did a very quick intuitive “reading”. This suggested there are two physical moons. The second one seems to be heavily militarized.

I intuitively felt something similar, that if Jake were to go to one Moon he would find something pleasant there, whilst if he were to go to the other he may find something not so pleasant going on, as if the physical Moon that we see has been 'high-jacked' by dark forces, whilst the other moon is more at peace, happy and playful (hence the hide and seek).

I'd really like to know your opinion on the Moon possibly having various other finer bodies like we have (etheric, astral,etc) and consciousness even? Does the Moon have a Soul and Spirit? A Higher Self? Is the Moon trying to break free from the illusion of separation too?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
I did a very quick intuitive “reading”. This suggested there are two physical moons. The second one seems to be heavily militarized.

I intuitively felt something similar, that if Jake were to go to one Moon he would find something pleasant there, whilst if he were to go to the other he may find something not so pleasant going on, as if the physical Moon that we see has been 'high-jacked' by dark forces, whilst the other moon is more at peace, happy and playful (hence the hide and seek).

I'd really like to know your opinion on the Moon possibly having various other finer bodies like we have (etheric, astral,etc) and consciousness even? Does the Moon have a Soul and Spirit? A Higher Self? Is the Moon trying to break free from the illusion of separation too?

Since you asked: my intuition is that the moon everybody sees originally used to be a “good” moon, but that it got taken over partly by corrupt forces. Originally its perceived size in the sky was exactly the same as that of the sun’s, and I feel strongly that itself was a sign of benevolent support back then.

The second, “hidden” moon seems to me to be more the “bad” one.

I know the moon has "envelopes" around it similar to the Earth. Certainly the Earth has a "Higher Self" which is Divine, i.e. united with Source, as has the (first) moon.