Steven Greer's core team has apparently left him (long report by Alfred Webre)

[TheGoat]

From what I've seen Greer is one of the only ones out there actually DOING something and contributing positively. As a former ER doctor it seems entirely unlikely that he'd have a drug problem, also as a father too. Makes no sense. He's achieving stuff unlike 90% of the alternative media who simply talk about things... and not much else.

This sounds like discrediting in a big way.

[Ultima Thule]

Posted by TheGoat (here)
From what I've seen Greer is one of the only ones out there actually DOING something and contributing positively. As a former ER doctor it seems entirely unlikely that he'd have a drug problem, also as a father too. Makes no sense. He's achieving stuff unlike 90% of the alternative media who simply talk about things... and not much else.

This sounds like discrediting in a big way.

You may be right, but imo I wouldn´t see being an ER doctor as being unlikely in regards to having a drug problem - I´d say him being MD is neutral, if not actually raising the possibility of having a drug problem - given that many doctors have a habit and access to drugs. It doesn´t have to be illegal drug, it can be medicinal drugs as well that he might have a problem with.

UT

[jaybee]

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I think that 'someone' wanted to make the Dead Man's Trigger public but to do this

had to bring it out with a good dose of discrediting against Greer at the same time.

I wouldn't mind betting that no evidence for the accusations ever comes out.

But mud sticks.


PSYOPS has slowly but surely turned the UFO/ET arena into a popularity contest.

'They' whoever 'they' be, must be laughing their socks off how easy it is to set

people against each other. Divide and rule. The oldest trick in the book.



I don't post much on Avalon but I generally pop in every day or so to see what's being discussed. I find myself caring about this thread...and that's why I have been
moved to post.

Seeing Greer being thrown to the Wolves upsets me.....


I see Stephen Bassett is also under attack on the Webre link. To do with 'eye movement'........FFS.


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[bogeyman]

Dr Greer could of been a plant or used unknowingly by those that wish to suppress or ridicule the subject, and these accusations are interesting to say the least. The old saying that you are judged by the company you keep, so the ramifications are wider that the activities of Dr Greer.

[jaybee]

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Dr Greer could of been a plant or used unknowingly by those that wish to suppress or ridicule the subject,

It is clear that a serious attempt to suppress and ridicule Greer is in progress.

And on top of that...his life could be more in danger with the theft and disclosing of the Dead Man's Trigger document.

I'm sure the implications of it's release aren't lost on Greer.

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[MistahMojoRisin]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
Dearest Off-World, Benevolent Galatic Beings,

Please hear my prayer. Please don’t come down here, please don’t save us, and please don’t allow for disclosure until we as humans can behave in a more heart-centered manner with less ego and self-centeredness.

Please forgive us for looking to others rather than within for the answers as we are struggling to learn the importance of ignoring those who claim to hold the key rather than ourselves. Occassionally we will stumble, due to our over-zealous attempts to discover new truths, as our spirits need nurturing during this time of unprecedented growth. Your patience with us is appreciated and we promise continued improvement in our quest to be of love and as one.

In all Sirius-ness and with love,
we-R-one

This may be the most on target statment I have ever read. WOW

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Gee, what does this mean for the disclosure hearings, this is not helping at all, Sirius I did not take serious, I hear for the first time he is some renegade lizard too, and a dope head, and has ego the size of an aircraft carrier, all I am stuck with now is the idea of a con artist, high as giraffe p@ssy, with scales, great, another image I have to get out my head, always thought of the man as too slick to handle.

I HOPE the people who worked with him on the hearings will not be disregarded and are still taken seriously, no need to be proclaimed guilty by association, but I fear with great fear, poor Dolan.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by jaybee (here)

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Dr Greer could of been a plant or used unknowingly by those that wish to suppress or ridicule the subject,

It is clear that a serious attempt to suppress and ridicule Greer is in progress.

And on top of that...his life could be more in danger with the theft and disclosing of the Dead Man's Trigger document.

I'm sure the implications of it's release aren't lost on Greer.

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Dear jaybee --

Thanks for all your posts. It is clear that you are sincere and do not want to believe any of the claims about Greer's activities (only a small proportion of which have been made public). I can totally understand that -- really.

But I ask you to meditate on this statement, from this post by Todd Hathaway himself: (And believe me, he knows of what he speaks.)

Most of you would cringe if you knew everything Bill Ryan and others know about Greer.

As I said earlier on this thread, supposing the claims are correct? Are you really sure that they are not? Are you just hoping that it's nonsense?

What follows is important. This is a potentially huge issue that could affect the entire alternative media. Those who know what is and has been happening are faced with a very serious dilemma:

• Do they keep quiet, and avoid risking the derailment of the entire 'alternative' disclosure movement? (It may not look good if one of their heroes ends up in jail, utterly disgraced.)
• Do they speak out and (besides at the risk of their own lives, seriously) possibly set back official Disclosure by years?
• Or do they speak out and restore honor and courage and truth to the lexicon of values that should be regarded as important for all humans? (After all, the ETs are watching... )

Think about it. Really, please do: this post is a serious one, addressed to everyone reading it.

The intel agencies also are aware of the situation, but are playing their own game.

Their strategy is unknown, certainly by me. Greer is an 'asset' - as is, knowingly or unknowingly, everyone in the alternative media. At least to some degree, these people -- including other 'heroes' like Alex Jones and David Icke -- are played, at least to some degree, as pieces on a very large chess board.

These assets are used opportunistically. They may not be aware of it at all, but it makes no difference to the larger game plan.

We have to understand that when (e.g.) Camelot released an interview with (e.g.) Clifford Stone, that might be regarded in the Pentagon as helpful to their own strategy.

On the other hand, when (e.g.) Camelot went maybe a little too far, and (e.g.) hauled 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) on stage in Barcelona in July 2009 to confirm in front of the TV cameras that he had been to Mars, that sudden extreme statement might be regarded as unhelpful. (We, of course, had no way of knowing. We just did what we did.)

In the same way, Greer is an asset. He may or may not know about it. (My personal guess: he knows he is an asset to a certain degree, and certainly has some 'friends in high places'. But he is not aware of the real extent that he is factored into Disclosure plans as a chess piece that could be sacrificed if necessary if it consolidates the positions of the other pieces. He may also find out that his 'friends' are not friends, really.)

Now, here's the rub: all assets are disposable. Those moving the chessboard pieces do not care at all about the human beings involved. They are just assets: nothing more. Even Queens are sacrificed sometimes.

And when an asset becomes of no further practical use (or worse still, an unpredictable liability), they are abandoned, trashed, or sometimes 'eliminated'.

Greer's fate will not be in the hands, directly, of anyone posting on or reading this thread as a member of the public. It may already have been sealed, or it may still be in the balance.

It depends entirely on the Disclosure strategy, and whether Greer ending up in jail suits the master plan (or, at least, does not derail it) -- or hinders it.

To jaybee and others: Please, again, bend your brain around what I've just written in this post. You may have little idea how deep this all goes, and can go.

Your opinions are of little consequence in the biggest picture -- except that (right now, at this temporary stage in the game) I would bet a large Starbucks coffee that the agencies are watching this thread very carefully.

Why? It actually serves as an impromptu focus group of reaction and opinion. That does not exist right now anywhere else. That focus group is right here. The watchers will be assessing:

• Do people believe the allegations?
• Do they care?
• Is anyone being intelligent, smart and analytical about this, or is it just he-said-she-said forum gossip of no consequence?
• How are these allegations changing or influencing attitudes towards (a) Disclosure in particular, and (b) The alternative media in general?

You have to see this as a military game, played by military minds.

Does this make sense?

Conclusion: I have a serious suggestion to make:

If you want the agencies who are tasked to handle and (if necessary, act on) this unpleasant business to know something that you believe, think, or feel, post it here. It'll be noted. There is a possibility that it may make a small difference. Especially if your posts are intelligent and well-informed.

I will start here. As best I know, Greer has been lying in his presentations, and seriously misrepresenting the real truth of the ET problem. This may seem convenient to many in high places, but in the end the truth will out. That may be a painful process for everyone.

The honorable and ethical thing to do -- ultimately, the only thing that will be recorded in future history books -- is to tell the truth, every bit of it. The future history books will record those that stood for this truth as the real heroes.

Who seems to be a hero now is ephemeral. The real context is over a much larger stretch of time, possibly extending hundreds or even thousands of years.

Our temporary views matter as much as those of the people who thought Galileo was a maverick, sacrilegious fool.

[christian]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
Yes, this is what we saw coming. We hoped Greer would fade away rather than succumb to a big scandal that would discredit so much legitimate work and effort. I'm not surprised because this is the logical conclusion of what we saw back in the day. Just wish it hadn't happened.

Steven Greer is a shady character, you gotta expect that he would be involved in immoral activities that would eventually come to the surface, that's just natural.

Posted by onawah (here)
the Disclosure community still owes him a debt of gratitude, imho.

I woke up after seeing Zeitgeist, thanks for that. Later I found out that the Zeitgeist Movement is really bad news, glad I found out.

Posted by TheGoat (here)
From what I've seen Greer is one of the only ones out there actually DOING something and contributing positively.

He's pushing disclosure, nice, but with the idea that all E.T.'s are our beneficial friends. This is irresponsible. He can't be that stupid, I think. Therefore there must be something sinister going on with him. It's as plain as day. I find it astonishing that this flaw in his activity has not been more openly called out in the alternative media so far. It's such a huge red flag, and it's right there out in the open.

Posted by TheGoat (here)
As a former ER doctor it seems entirely unlikely that he'd have a drug problem, also as a father too. Makes no sense.

Daily Mail: One in six doctors has been hooked on alcohol or drugs

Let's be real, there are millions of doctors and fathers that do the most irresponsible stuff.

Posted by TheGoat (here)
He's achieving stuff unlike 90% of the alternative media who simply talk about things... and not much else.

Media is defined as "a medium of cultivation, conveyance, or expression." Media is essentially about communicating things, that's media people's job. Achieving stuff is essentially up to the informed and discerning audience.

[Another1]

I don't understand how someone attributed with organizing 200 whistle blowers could possibly expect to get away with anything shady in their own life?

No matter the eventual outcome, I appreciate his part in bringing all them people together but fraud is fraud and if it's happened here and 'we' know about it, our public should too or it will hurt 10X more when they find out on their own later. It's called Disclosure right?

my 2 cents

[STR]

It is pretty easy to see why someone would want to attack Greer as easy as it is to believe he is mind controlled. It is easy enough to believe today in this high tech world that a third party could in fact be manipulating things behind the scenes playing both sides against each other also. Divide and conquer and what better way to crush a story than to discredit the people and the team behind it? Brilliant if it is the case. If on the other hand Greer was actually guilty of theft or fraud and not buying land for the organization but for his own personal needs well, nuff said. He has no one else to blame but himself if it all crumbled after that was discovered. If he is guilty of fabricating a bull **** story for where the money went from his own organization, what is to stop us from thinking he would not do much the same for a documentary with a deformed monkey skeleton? claiming it was a hybrid?

[Sidney]

Posted by Another1 (here)
I don't understand how someone attributed with organizing 200 whistle blowers could possibly expect to get away with anything shady in their own life?

No matter the eventual outcome, I appreciate his part in bringing all them people together but fraud is fraud and if it's happened here and 'we' know about it, our public should too or it will hurt 10X more when they find out on their own later. It's called Disclosure right?

my 2 cents

Narcissists do not expect anything , or think ahead. They are service to self. Their focus lies on, "whats good for me". They think they are invincible. They think they are above the law, and that they are far too smart to get caught.

I would really like to know what Dr. Greers personality was like, before he became a household name, IOW, did he start out, being a good guy, with his heart in the right place??? Was he set up, then "groomed", to assemble the disclosure project, with an invisible ulterior motive behind it? Was it steroids that bloated his ego, and self image, or did the publicity do that, or both, or was in his blood from birth. Of course narcissism being reptillian trait, we could wonder, has his body been hijacked? Has he been under full blown mind control, and for how long? How much money was ultimately siphoned off the project, and who has been keeping tract of that, and are they being protected.
The disclosure project, was IMO a phenomenal accumulation of people, that came forward, risking their lives and reputations. Is Greers demise, going to UNDO, everything that was accomplished with that project? Remember, in the black government, they create scenarios years, decades, even centuries, in advance. Is this all just another ruse, to confuse? There are so many questions, it is mind boggling, especially the fact that Greers "little creature" gained so much attention in the media, especially mainstream. Now is the little person, going to be discredited as well? Was this little specimen, the motivating factor in all of this?

And, finally, while we are assembling the many pieces to this puzzle, what are the game players working on behind the scenes, during our distractions.?

[Freed Fox]

Posted by Sidney (here)
Of course narcissism being reptillian trait[...]

Narcissism is blaming E.T.s for all of our problems and deficiencies. E.T.s that 99% of the people here have never even seen. Sure... but we're so "awake"!

[norman]

Bloody el, Bill, that was quite a surprise from you.

Just as I was getting fed up with the general weakness of thinking here on this forum, you go and write a stonker like that.

thanks.

[Sidney]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

Posted by Sidney (here)
Of course narcissism being reptillian trait[...]

Narcissism is blaming E.T.s for all of our problems and deficiencies. E.T.s that 99% of the people here have never even seen. Sure... but we're so "awake"!

Hi freedfox. I think I may be missing your point. Are you saying 99% of people here have not seen an et? Because, I think that statistic for THIS forum is not correct. IMO, blaming ETs for all of our problems, is plain irresponsible, and has nothing to do with being a narcissist. My point about the narcissism, was the fact that Dr. Greer is extremely narcissistic. I base this on my experience at one of his "outings" that I attended. And my thoughts were also connecting the dot, where steroid use is concerned, as steroid use, has been linked with narcissistic personality disorder. But that there has also been speculation, that reptillian entities have influence over Greer, and many others.
Quoting from this article
http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/13/3/203.full
Personality disorders
Self-report questionnaires and informant histories have been used to retrospectively assess the personality type of anabolic steroid misusers before their first use. Such work suggests that they start out with personalities similar to those of non-using bodybuilders, but develop abnormal personality traits that could be attributed to steroid misuse (Eisenberg & Galloway, 2005). Cooper et al(1996) identified a high rate of abnormal personality traits in a sample of 12 bodybuilders who had used anabolic steroids compared with a matched group who had not. The reported personality traits of the steroid users before the onset of use did not differ from those of the non-users, but in the user group there were significant differences between the before and after traits. During steroid use, individuals were more likely to score higher on paranoia, schizoid, antisocial, borderline, histrionic, narcissistic and passive aggressive personality profiles. Other studies have suggested that antisocial personality disorder is slightly more likely among anabolic steroid users than among non-users (Pope & Katz, 1994). Steroid users have been shown to have a higher prevalence of cluster B (histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial and borderline) personality traits than community controls (Yates et al, 1990).

[Freed Fox]

Sorry Sidney, perhaps it was the way you phrased it.

It seems to me that most here aim to be open-minded and aware, and yet I see certain blind spots in these alleged virtues that are too often overlooked or, in some cases, embraced. Far too much abdication of responsibility, and denial of human imperfection by blaming outside forces for the ills and shortcomings of humanity. Projection of our insecurities onto things which we inherently cannot fully understand but pretend we do. Making sweeping statements and conclusions on very limited and largely anecdotal evidence and ignoring the same kind of evidence which happens to disagree with the particular paradigm we've chosen to adopt.

And, of course, the tried-and-true practice of demonization. We talk about achieving peace and greater harmony, and yet never fail to cast any number of hated villains for our little divine comedy.

[Sidney]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Sorry Sidney, perhaps it was the way you phrased it.

It seems to me that most here aim to be open-minded and aware, and yet I see certain blind spots in these alleged virtues that are too often overlooked or, in some cases, embraced. Far too much abdication of responsibility, and denial of human imperfection by blaming outside forces for the ills and shortcomings of humanity. Projection of our insecurities onto things which we inherently cannot fully understand but pretend we do. Making sweeping statements and conclusions on very limited and largely anecdotal evidence and ignoring the same kind of evidence which happens to disagree with the particular paradigm we've chosen to adopt.

And, of course, the tried-and-true practice of demonization. We talk about achieving peace and greater harmony, and yet never fail to cast any number of hated villains for our little divine comedy.

I don't know, I was just answering Another1's inquiry regarding, why Greer thought he would get away with the fraudulent acts that he committed. And I answered that, based on my personal observation of Greer, in action.

[Debra]

I was just forming a post in my mind with this same line of thinking Sidney.

Posted by Sidney (here)
.. Is this all just another ruse, to confuse? There are so many questions, it is mind boggling, especially the fact that Greers "little creature" gained so much attention in the media, especially mainstream. Now is the little person, going to be discredited as well? Was this little specimen, the motivating factor in all of this?

And, finally, while we are assembling the many pieces to this puzzle, what are the game players working on behind the scenes, during our distractions.?

Has the whole disclosure project been a long running false flag?
If it has, they chose the right person for the job ..

[Sidney]

Posted by Zebra (here)
I was just forming a post in my mind with this same line of thinking Sidney.

Posted by Sidney (here)
.. Is this all just another ruse, to confuse? There are so many questions, it is mind boggling, especially the fact that Greers "little creature" gained so much attention in the media, especially mainstream. Now is the little person, going to be discredited as well? Was this little specimen, the motivating factor in all of this?

And, finally, while we are assembling the many pieces to this puzzle, what are the game players working on behind the scenes, during our distractions.?

Has the whole disclosure project been a long running false flag?
If it has, they chose the right person for the job ..

Interesting theory. Had not really thought of that one.

[bogeyman]

Maybe there were too many independent minds at work, this may of instigated the discrediting of Dr Greer. Also you have to take into account that something may of come out through the disclosure project which was a step too far for some, hence all this activity which has recently occurred.