The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Just a shopping list of some more of the issues I need to find experiential exercises for to try and make the essence of some higher D stuff more real. That way hopefully you’ll be able to get specific experience and eventually discuss it based on such experience. (But please continue to feel free to post anything you consider relevant to the Higher Mind and OB experience including meditation, plus anything relevant to getting free of the ego’s influence. Don’t wait for me, because I still need to invent and test most of the exercises before you’ll see them!)

Also, there’s a whole other area of how to “incarnate” what’s in the Higher Mind more into the physical. I’ll be getting to that at some stage too. The experiential exercises will automatically cover some of that anyway, once I’ve got some more to give you. Meanwhile, back to the Higher Mind.

One of the things we use our intuition to do is to create. But whenever we create, that’s a type of action. So, action is another example of something that is found in all the higher worlds. Ultimately, though, in the highest worlds we get actions without any actors. Action happens, life happens, intelligence happens. It’s not a clockwork universe. There’s no grandfather master clockmaker who made the clock; the clock makes itself, and keeps on re-making itself, and to be honest there was no beginning. This is a pull-yourself-up-by-your own-bootstraps universe.

Even our states of rest are just states of equilibrium within some grander action. So, what is “action” really?

Also, consciousness or aliveness only becomes full when it’s reflective, when there’s a particular type of action which we call reflection, from consciousness back to itself. So, reflection, which I take it is a kind of action, is necessary here. Ironically, we often think of action as being physical. And maybe we watch a movie, where scriptwriters consider the most powerful and dramatic “action” – in their lingo – to be inner, emotional action, like desire. But what does “action” look like, so to speak, when taken up into the dimensions beyond the ego and the lower mind?

Another question is: how do we even get any kind of handle on what change is? Because it’s – well, always changing --, how do we grab onto that slippery bar of soap without squashing it completely? And what kind of “movement” does change imply, if it’s not physical movement?

Another question is, what is the relationship between action, or change, on the one hand, and pure being or beingness or aliveness? How do we integrate or combine the two? (I guess some of these questions were explored by the Spanish philosopher Spinoza a few centuries ago. His philosophical system was all about Absolutes. An “Absolute” is, to me, anything that’s infinite. If you add something to an infinity, it’s still an infinity, and usually it will remain the same infinity as before you added the thing to it. I guess many would think of “God” as the only Absolute, but I’d suggest that anything infinite is an Absolute too. In the twentieth century the Yale philosopher J.N. Findlay developed the philosophy of Absolutes further – though by the twentieth century philosophers knew that no philosophical system or “theory of everything” can ever possibly work , because the conceptual is inherently too full of limitations --, so I’ll take a look at some of their conceptual discoveries.)

I think it's this creative action aspect that makes me afraid often to speak in terms of intuition, as if I'm imagining it. I'm afraid I might be wrong. In fact being afraid will make me wrong. So I guess that by tuning in to Higher Mind and leaving fear behind, there is a much better chance that my intuitions will become more and more accurate with practice. Perhaps there may even be some therapeutic value in deliberately and unashamedly allowing oneself to be wrong sometimes?

Also, I've noticed in the past when I have 'guessed' something right, there has also been quite a strong fear reaction there too. Usually a powerful jolt in the heart. Afraid of my own power? I've never understood why this should be so...

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
Is the Moon trying to break free from the illusion of separation too?

Source in itself is beyond individualisation. That’s true enough, but man, do people misunderstand what that means – and some things it doesn’t imply.

I’ve already mentioned how some imagine that being permanently united with Source necessarily means ceasing to exist. On the contrary, my understanding is that it means adding to the universal totality, of pure Existence itself. There’s a story that whenever one of the Buddha’s group of followers reached true enlightenment, all the blossom trees released a huge shower of petals. Existence itself had just become a little bit brighter, a tiny bit fuller and more enjoyable.

Second fallacy. All the evidence available to me from my experience suggests that it’s not the case that Source amounts to just a total unity, a pure oneness of some sort. No! Source isn’t as – well, limited – as that. Surely, it’s obvious that Source also allows and in every way supports the existence of many within the one.

Not only that. Source also actively creates and supports ignorance, and hence the illusion of the (separate) ego! You’ve got to remember that Source is all-embracing! That does mean all-embracing. It means that Source loves and creates the whole caboodle, not just the warm fuzzies in the universe. You know, it creates and loves even the Satanists and Lucifer and the NWO and all that.

As far as Source is concerned, it all feels blissful – but you’d feel bliss too if you had as huge a bird’s eyeview as Source enjoys.

Next, in my limited experience it doesn’t seem to be true that Source is the One and the only One. My experience suggests there are many “Ones”, many Absolutes. Actually, instead of talking in terms of “one” versus “many”, I claim you can more accurately talk in terms of “foreground” versus “background” or “horizon”. Notice that here “the One” becomes the background, and we usually think of the background as less important than whatever individual thing is in the foreground. My statement that there are many “Ones” becomes a statement that there are many all-encompassing backgrounds. Anyway, that’s my experience.

But even if you want to cling to having only one ultimate “One(ness)”, as I believe I’ve pointed out, that Oneness takes on a number of different, quite contradictory attitudes – one of pure oneness, one of manyness joined by underlying oneness, and one of separativeness, of egos, and even of all “evil”. Being Source is the toughest job in the universe.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Next, in my limited experience it doesn’t seem to be true that Source is the One and the only One. My experience suggests there are many “Ones”, many Absolutes. Actually, instead of talking in terms of “one” versus “many”, I claim you can more accurately talk in terms of “foreground” versus “background” or “horizon”. Notice that here “the One” becomes the background, and we usually think of the background as less important than whatever individual thing is in the foreground. My statement that there are many “Ones” becomes a statement that there are many all-encompassing backgrounds. Anyway, that’s my experience.

I suspect that each entity that views itself as prime creator eventually discovers itself to be a child of yet another creator.

[soleil]

Posted by rmauersr (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Next, in my limited experience it doesn’t seem to be true that Source is the One and the only One. My experience suggests there are many “Ones”, many Absolutes. Actually, instead of talking in terms of “one” versus “many”, I claim you can more accurately talk in terms of “foreground” versus “background” or “horizon”. Notice that here “the One” becomes the background, and we usually think of the background as less important than whatever individual thing is in the foreground. My statement that there are many “Ones” becomes a statement that there are many all-encompassing backgrounds. Anyway, that’s my experience.

I suspect that each entity that views itself as prime creator eventually discovers itself to be a child of yet another creator.

i was going to say this is the best explanation ive read re source. thank you TH!

[jiminii]

Posted by teradactyl (here)

Posted by rmauersr (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Next, in my limited experience it doesn’t seem to be true that Source is the One and the only One. My experience suggests there are many “Ones”, many Absolutes. Actually, instead of talking in terms of “one” versus “many”, I claim you can more accurately talk in terms of “foreground” versus “background” or “horizon”. Notice that here “the One” becomes the background, and we usually think of the background as less important than whatever individual thing is in the foreground. My statement that there are many “Ones” becomes a statement that there are many all-encompassing backgrounds. Anyway, that’s my experience.

I suspect that each entity that views itself as prime creator eventually discovers itself to be a child of yet another creator.

i was going to say this is the best explanation ive read re source. thank you TH!

there is the main body of theta (source) ... pieces broke off and became the creators of this universe ... (of course there are other universes .. this is just one ) .... then more pieces broke off from the bigger pieces ... and so on down ...
some of bigger pieces have created new viewpoints designed differently ... this time there is no automatic recording system ... they carry from lifetime to lifetime ... they can not be trapped by the implant stations around the planet ... because they don't have this "created mind" that would have implants in them to be tricked into those stations when the body dies and the viewpoint (viewpoint is the theta body and eyes of the spirit ... the spirit is a static .. no mass no motion no wavelength no energy but can create all these the spirit is theta ..(source) that is a broken piece off the larger source theta itself ... but it is not in the physical universe . it creates a theta body with a viewpoint to operate inside the physical universe ...

and from the spirit (thetan) I come from (we are in the future) more than a million are sent to this time to clean up this mess .... and there are other big spirits too that have sent more than a million ... theta bodies to use PURE theta to align the entheta ... entheta is turbulated theta ... all the negative misalignment of the theta bodies with veiwpoints are entheta ... and we will align it .... we have already done this time before ... but we came back to clean up more of this mess

jim

[Shamz]

TH - that was amazing post - feels so good to read it. You're awesome !

[TraineeHuman]

Shamz and teradactyl, if you recognize the truth of Source, then you're recognizing something that's somewhere right inside of you. Howelse would you recognise it?

Deep inside we know we are unlimitable and eternal and, well, somehow infinite.

One great exercise, which I was thinking of introducing properly a little further on, is that of learning to love the truth. This includes always being very honest with yourself about yourself. A deceptively hard exercise. (One that people who interview whistleblowers would benefit hugely from learning first.) The truth really is beauytiful, ultimately.

[jiminii]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Shamz and teradactyl, if you recognize the truth of Source, then you're recognizing something that's somewhere right inside of you. Howelse would you recognise it?

Deep inside we know we are unlimitable and eternal and, well, somehow infinite.

One great exercise, which I was thinking of introducing properly a little further on, is that of learning to love the truth. This includes always being very honest with yourself about yourself. A deceptively hard exercise. (One that people who interview whistleblowers would benefit hugely from learning first.) The truth really is beauytiful, ultimately.

here is how you find out who is the I AM ,... you can look at pictures in your mind ... well you are not the pictures ... you see the body you are in ... well you are not the body ... you are that what is looking at the pictures in your mind "if you have one .. a natural clear doesn't .. but the GE running the body does) ... and you are that what is looking at the body and environment and commanding the body and directing it what to do... now that is you .... you wonder "if this is me then why do I not know more?" ... that is you doing the looking ... but that looking has been shifted to the body ... and then there is those things that were implanted to block you from looking at more than this but.. you are that what moves and looks out from the body ,,,, there are some tricks that can get you out quickly ... like lay down close your eyes ... and move some ground under you ... just keep moving ground under you until it gets more clearer and more clear and you can slip out ... when you are out you will know you are a spirit with no doubts ...

jim

[TraineeHuman]

While I’m taking time out to look at Source very briefly, I’d like to say some more about Source’s role in the “problem of evil” – aka “How could a loving Creator God be responsible for the creation of suffering and evil?”

Three arguments in “reply” to this question which I haven’t already provided in this thread go as follows. My first argument relies on your having done the exercise of feeling the aliveness within you – which, of course, many of you have, many times by now. If you did it properly, or enough times, then after doing it and looking at your life you’ll have noticed that there are far more good or positive things in your life than bad ones – that, overall, most of the time, it truly is good to be alive. And that we really do generally take good things for granted and complain – very disproportionately – about the bad or negative or painful things. Many of the good things are what’s “normal” or “everyday” to us, and so we don’t value them, and become blasé about and completely forget their presence.

If – like Graeme Greene and various nihilists – you don’t agree that you see that really life’s good more often than it’s bad, than all I can do is ask you to keep doing the feeling the aliveness exercise more carefully and honestly, and then observe what it teaches you.

But assuming we agree on this basic point, then that’s my first argument right there. Namely that what “God” has “created for us” is basically good – though admittedly far from perfect.

My second argument starts from the fact – as far as I and many others are concerned on the basis of experience – that the only “(ultimate) God” is the universe (not only the physical universe, but all nonphysical dimensions). So, the truth is there never was such a thing as a God who “created this world”. And to blame “God” “personally” for “His creation” becomes nonsensical.

There is no “God” standing totally outside the universe. If there were such a being, that would be incredibly extraordinary and miraculous. How would such a being – so isolated from all – ever be able to communicate with the entire universe? But anyway, because God (i.e., Source) is the universe in its entirety, any suffering or evil inherent in the universe is self-inflicted by the universe. No-one is alone. Source feels every bit of suffering.

Thirdly, I suggest the whole distinction between “creator” and “creature” is a false one. Actually, we created and continue to create ourselves and our own lives. We just don’t know our own subconscious and superconscious strength. If we are in great suffering, it is we who ultimately put ourselves in it – maybe our Higher Mind did this, and so we don’t have a memory right now of choosing it. But choose it we most certainly did. Source didn’t choose it – except in so far as Source lives inside of us.

In my next post I'll get back to the topic of intuition and "at-one-ness".

[Shamz]

Thank you TH for bringing this topic of God ( source) Vs Evil in this world or universe.
I am asked this question all the times when I start discussing spirituality and is often the first question of an Atheist.
To an Atheist - no matter how much you explain they will never budge from this physical reality - they need proof of everything what I say
and all I tell them that proof is not out there anywhere...it is inside us...we just need to find out and realize it - no one else is going to do it for us.

But the people who believe in God, Religion and are really devoted ones - like my dad - they too wonder why there is so much evil in this world in general. Our life might be great but when we hear news or stories - sometimes it does not make sense. I understand when you say that people chose what and how they want to learn or gain experience before they incarnate here on earth or elsewhere... so they are either super special - famous people (actors, singer, sports person etc) or people with some disabilities.

What doesn't make sense in general is... why kids die so young - some during birth - some really young... what experience did they gain in such a short time. One can say..oh well that is experience for their parents ( and I believe that ) but what about cases where they entire family is dead with small kids - in this case who gained what ?

Now I know all this, that in the long haul - when we understand and evolve to the point - we will know all this does not matter... no one is doing nothing to us... we all are one... we are doing everything to us... but I think we are far far from that point of realization... and the common people are way too far..to even think like that.

So how do we drive this point when in discussion ?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I think it's this creative action aspect that makes me afraid often to speak in terms of intuition, as if I'm imagining it. I'm afraid I might be wrong. In fact being afraid will make me wrong. So I guess that by tuning in to Higher Mind and leaving fear behind, there is a much better chance that my intuitions will become more and more accurate with practice. Perhaps there may even be some therapeutic value in deliberately and unashamedly allowing oneself to be wrong sometimes?

Also, I've noticed in the past when I have 'guessed' something right, there has also been quite a strong fear reaction there too. Usually a powerful jolt in the heart. Afraid of my own power? I've never understood why this should be so...

Firstly, your intuition regarding the two moons seems to have been more correct than mine. I did a second quick reading, and that indicated the second physical moon, the one that’s not commonly known or observed, is indeed the “good” one, though still somewhat militarised. When I did my first reading I had earlier taken some aspirin – which doctors suggest I need to thin my blood with. That had probably affected the accuracy of my intuition.

There are many things which can make your intuition go wrong on a particular day, occasionally. Even the best psychics have such days and can’t tell what days they are, so it’s important for them to check their impressions on another day or week.

Obviously you have an ego-issue with fear of failure. Of course there’s “therapeutic” or similar value in being wrong in your intuitions. That’s because the way to get over the fear of failure is to go through (or beyond) the pain of failure. And of course you can practice your intuition on things where it doesn’t matter so much if you’re wrong. You’re not a “failure” then, you’re just practicing. You’re also practicing not worrying whether you got it right or not. Maybe also hum the song “I did it my way” afterwards?

The whole preoccupation with being “correct” is an egoic neurosis anyway. It’s not what life is all about. We have finite bodies in a finite physical world. I probably make ten little mistakes every day by lunchtime. But I do my best to admit them all and take responsibility for them all, and it doesn’t really matter in most cases.

If you can find any bliss, any joy, any deep peace through meditation, that’s what will activate your natural ability to intuit more and more correctly. It’s what will fuel it, when combined with practice. Even Beethoven had to learn to play all his scales and all the harmonic scales with a mechanical skillfulness before he could compose properly.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Shamz (here)
Thank you TH for bringing this topic of God ( source) Vs Evil in this world or universe.
I am asked this question all the times when I start discussing spirituality and is often the first question of an Atheist.
To an Atheist - no matter how much you explain they will never budge from this physical reality - they need proof of everything what I say
and all I tell them that proof is not out there anywhere...it is inside us...we just need to find out and realize it - no one else is going to do it for us.

But the people who believe in God, Religion and are really devoted ones - like my dad - they too wonder why there is so much evil in this world in general. Our life might be great but when we hear news or stories - sometimes it does not make sense. I understand when you say that people chose what and how they want to learn or gain experience before they incarnate here on earth or elsewhere... so they are either super special - famous people (actors, singer, sports person etc) or people with some disabilities.

What doesn't make sense in general is... why kids die so young - some during birth - some really young... what experience did they gain in such a short time. One can say..oh well that is experience for their parents ( and I believe that ) but what about cases where they entire family is dead with small kids - in this case who gained what ?

Now I know all this, that in the long haul - when we understand and evolve to the point - we will know all this does not matter... no one is doing nothing to us... we all are one... we are doing everything to us... but I think we are far far from that point of realization... and the common people are way too far..to even think like that.

So how do we drive this point when in discussion ?

Shamz, let’s leave those plain people who aren’t doing much to truly evolve their spirituality aside and look at Westerners for a moment, such as, say, maybe the majority of the readers of this Forum, probably.

One thing I have learnt over the years with so many people like that is that they are being victims to what I eventually realised, after many years, was the worst form of dumbing down. What I’m referring to is that people have a gigantic, almost irresistible learned inner urge to offload the responsibility for their own lives and their own power onto somebody else.

I’ve had many people try to lay the role of spiritual teacher or even I guess “guru” onto me, when I wasn’t even trying to be that. They then proceed to misinterpret some of the things I say as “instructions” which they consider they should blindly follow. You can almost see them go: “Whew!” inside.

Subconsciously, for them, it’s an almost unbearable burden to be responsible for their own selves. So, the dumbing down conditioning tells them in so many ways: “Don’t worry. You and whatever you do in your life is not your problem.” They don’t usually add the implicit consequence: “Because we own you, body and soul.”

Take a look at work. Most people work “for” a boss or manager or a company, who tells them exactly what to do! No chance at experiencing the exhilarating personal power of running your own business, where you are the GM making every single tiny decision. Take a look at education. There’s always a teacher, who tells you exactly what to do. Whew!

When I used to live in the sixth dimension, greatness was vital to everything one ever did. It was like the air, like food. It was unthinkable not to act out of greatness and strive to demonstrate greatness all the time, for everyone who lived there. What most people dare not acknowledge is that they are that powerful, that pro-active, that wonderful. All people are, inside, and should be on the outside. Yes, greatness does involve bearing things like the senseless death of young infant children. And being a match for them. Source – the Universe – does find it necessary to create storms and hurricanes and so on which do arbitrarily kill some humans. Source bears that pain. It’s great enough to continue on, and to heal itself of that pain.

If those simple people in India or wherever who consider they are so busy with physical survival they “can’t” evolve much don’t understand this, what can I say? If they don’t believe how massively they have cooperated in dumbing themselves down at the most important level, and not just at a mental level, is there anything that would unblock their ears and brains and hearts and souls enough tolisten? Most Western well-educated people don’t understand it or believe it either.

[TraineeHuman]

Suffering by its nature is just something that occurs as a consequence of our ignorance of our true nature, which is actually Source. It's really a self-imposed limitation which comes from ego-centredness. Source (or the Void) can handle all the shocks of physical and higher D existence and stay perfectly OK. So this may sound either idealistic or cruel, but all suffering is one more reminder to us that we've lost our way, that something is lacking, something beyond all pleasure, pain and indifference. Deep inside we have a strong sense that that something is lacking. We could only have that sense if we somehow knew that we are ultimately an indivisible, totally blissful/peaceful self-consciousness.

[Eram]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Suffering by its nature is just something that occurs as a consequence of our ignorance of our true nature, which is actually Source. It's really a self-imposed limitation which comes from ego-centredness.

Hi TraineeHuman,

In an attempt to clarify the relation between suffering and this ignorance of our true nature, would you agree that suffering occurs only when we resist reality (that what happens or, what is in form)?

If my neighbour isn't holding up his part of a deal that we made about cutting the borders of our garden, I can become upset about it. All sorts thoughts pop up about what he should have done and what he has done wrong.
It is these exact thoughts (if I cling to or identify with it) that create the suffering.
In reality, he isn't holding up to our agreement, but in my mind, I create a whole story about it that dictates that reality should have been or should become different.
Shortly, I resist reality and thus experience suffering.

If my tooth is aching, thoughts enter my mind about fear of loss of health and the decay of my body, maybe death even.
Since the ego fears the death of our body and falsely confuses it with the end of existence, I start to resist this sensory input about a decaying tooth and hence, I suffer.
If I succeed in overcoming the fears and thoughts surrounding this fear, I stop to resist and then all that is left is a heightened sensory input of the nerve, sending messages to my brain about the tooth infection, but I don't suffer anymore.

If I have thoughts about being someone else, more handsome, smarter, richer, more successful and what have you, I resist reality in which I am neither of those, at least in my mind that is.
I judge about how I perceive myself, or how I think that others might perceive me.
I resist reality and suffer.

The trick is to become aware of this thinking process and release the emotional attachments that are involved

[TraineeHuman]

That’s eloquently put, Eram. Yes, I agree. The wise person is the person who doesn’t resist anything, at an inner level. There are lots of Zen and Taoist poems about how such a person walks through a pond and doesn’t make any ripples, or through grass and doesn’t leave any footprints behind; or things like this. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

So we have the right ideal. We have a picture of what sort of person permanently overcomes suffering (except maybe some of the physical suffering, like that toothache). The question then is, what do you do to become like that, permanently?

Well, everything that I’ve been writing about in this thread, everything that brings you more fully and frequently into your Higher Mind. I guess all my experience is that the ability to truly not resist needs the “petrol” of the Higher Mind and even of Source. That’s why I’m hoping everyone is meditating every day and also doing all the exercises I’ve described – and looking intelligently at the results of both. I know it works because I’ve pretty much done it in my own life. That’s why I know you can all do it too. Dare to be great – which really means being extremely ordinary and nothing special at all, in many ways.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I think it's this creative action aspect that makes me afraid often to speak in terms of intuition, as if I'm imagining it. I'm afraid I might be wrong. In fact being afraid will make me wrong. So I guess that by tuning in to Higher Mind and leaving fear behind, there is a much better chance that my intuitions will become more and more accurate with practice. Perhaps there may even be some therapeutic value in deliberately and unashamedly allowing oneself to be wrong sometimes?

Also, I've noticed in the past when I have 'guessed' something right, there has also been quite a strong fear reaction there too. Usually a powerful jolt in the heart. Afraid of my own power? I've never understood why this should be so...

You can think of developing more accurate intuition as a type of evolutionary stage. Most types of animals don’t have any (reflective) sense of individuality at all. They operate from instinct, which is a species-wide programming, plus actions. Those actions are simply trial-and-error, except in higher species such as elephants, apes, dolphins and whales, and a few others. For any lower animals, their whole identity consists in their action, pretty much.

Humans, on the other hand, operate considerably less from their species instinct. Instead, when they use the intuition they are using the Light that emerges out of conscious identity, but as a higher level of knowledge or identity than the human reason.

The latter is an intermediate faculty, that’s there to enable humans to bridge the gap from animal instinct to the Light of intuition. The average person does use reason all the time to gain greater knowledge. Even more so the educated person.

But in the Higher Mind, knowing and knowledge have resumed their primacy. (Imagination turns into knowing, instead of fantasy.) It’s then possible to know anything about anything – though usually only to a certain level of detail. Just as the ego is transformed into, or rather replaced by, the Higher Self, the ordinary mind breaks out of prison and is replaced by the Higher Mind.

[TraineeHuman]

NEW EXERCISE

Practice being “at-one” with Nature at least about once a week. Why? Because this way you’ll bypass your ego’s business, which is mostly to do with being caught up in relation to other people. Nature is quite innocent to all that human drama nonsense.

As a result, you’ll communicate soul-to-soul with Nature. Which means it will simply reflect the higher parts of you back to you.

The amazing thing about this is that you’ll be communicating with the souls, the Higher Minds, of various parts of Nature. Virtually everything ultimately is a soul – every piece of metal, and so on. Most of Nature is no doubt at a lower level of spiritual evolution than humans are. But by relaxing and quietly just being with Nature, you get to feel and experience that level that’s buried somewhere within a plant or a tree.

Let’s look at why people are interested in OBEs in the first place. To begin with, it’s because we know that there’s something in us that remains conscious even when we sleep – or when we’re stunned, we’ve fainted, we’re drugged, dizzy, even unconscious. This proves that what most people think of as “the conscious state” is only a tiny part of the consciousness we all possess. And that the latter is really quite superficial, even!

This takes us to the fact that there is something vast inside us that works quite independently of the physical.

And for that matter, it’s been proved by scientists that the brain is just a receiver – like an iphone or TV – for something else, something that’s “the mind”. Or I should say “the Mind”, because we’re mainly talking about what operates even while we’re asleep. And if we can go deeply enough into that Mind, we discover that it truly is infinite.

As in Nature, too, and even in inert matter, like rocks. I’ve experienced it there in rocks, as have many others, and quite clearly and unmistakably.

And can you not feel in Nature what bliss, what delight the Higher Mind of (or in) Nature feels? If you do, then you’re just receiving a reflection of what’s always there in your own Higher Mind too, underneath the clutter of all your “civilization”.

Tell me if this works for you, folks – or if it doesn’t. In what ways do you notice the Higher Mind to be thoroughly opposed to the mentality on which our “normal” human way of existing is based? How does the “totality” of the Soul, its all-inclusiveness, differ from our “normal” mentality and perception?

[Shamz]

Shamz, let’s leave those plain people who aren’t doing much to truly evolve their spirituality aside and look at Westerners for a moment, such as, say, maybe the majority of the readers of this Forum, probably.

One thing I have learnt over the years with so many people like that is that they are being victims to what I eventually realised, after many years, was the worst form of dumbing down. What I’m referring to is that people have a gigantic, almost irresistible learned inner urge to offload the responsibility for their own lives and their own power onto somebody else.

I’ve had many people try to lay the role of spiritual teacher or even I guess “guru” onto me, when I wasn’t even trying to be that. They then proceed to misinterpret some of the things I say as “instructions” which they consider they should blindly follow. You can almost see them go: “Whew!” inside.

Subconsciously, for them, it’s an almost unbearable burden to be responsible for their own selves. So, the dumbing down conditioning tells them in so many ways: “Don’t worry. You and whatever you do in your life is not your problem.” They don’t usually add the implicit consequence: “Because we own you, body and soul.”

Take a look at work. Most people work “for” a boss or manager or a company, who tells them exactly what to do! No chance at experiencing the exhilarating personal power of running your own business, where you are the GM making every single tiny decision. Take a look at education. There’s always a teacher, who tells you exactly what to do. Whew!

When I used to live in the sixth dimension, greatness was vital to everything one ever did. It was like the air, like food. It was unthinkable not to act out of greatness and strive to demonstrate greatness all the time, for everyone who lived there. What most people dare not acknowledge is that they are that powerful, that pro-active, that wonderful. All people are, inside, and should be on the outside. Yes, greatness does involve bearing things like the senseless death of young infant children. And being a match for them. Source – the Universe – does find it necessary to create storms and hurricanes and so on which do arbitrarily kill some humans. Source bears that pain. It’s great enough to continue on, and to heal itself of that pain.

If those simple people in India or wherever who consider they are so busy with physical survival they “can’t” evolve much don’t understand this, what can I say? If they don’t believe how massively they have cooperated in dumbing themselves down at the most important level, and not just at a mental level, is there anything that would unblock their ears and brains and hearts and souls enough tolisten? Most Western well-educated people don’t understand it or believe it either.

Thanks TH- what an amazing view point.. love you

[TraineeHuman]

To get out of the prison you are in, you need to enhance and become more aware of ways to know that you are in a prison. To do that, you need to become aware of different ways you have of knowing -- ways quite different from the education system taught you.

I already mentioned around two weeks ago that in reality you are identical with everything and everyone else; and that you only need your sense organs because you've been taught to "know" that you're separate. So, there's full identity or union, and there's supposed complete separation, which is at least partly an illusion. There are at least two other ways of knowing. So, tell me what you're noticing when you're practicing being "at-one" with specific things or people or whatever. You need to experience it for yourselves. Even if you seem to be experiencing nothing, tell us about your failure.

The reason I'm asking for the feedback is because this is about helping you to more specifically and clearly know how huge and free you really are inside.

[Reinhard]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
.........So, tell me what you're noticing when you're practicing being "at-one" with specific things or people or whatever. You need to experience it for yourselves. Even if you seem to be experiencing nothing, tell us about your failure......

Oh, those are quite intriguing moments: .... I feel limitless, no boundaries whatsoever, heart is jumping, multi-dimensional warmth,............... doesn't happen very often, but I re-member (what a word!) quite a few of those moments and charish them....wishing for more