Personal, controversial view of Monsanto, Globalists and Technology

[WEAREONE]

blufire,

Please share more.

Of course whatever you say will be scrutinized. but, so what.....

For me im hoping you share more of how you have come to these conclusions. I imagine it as a combination of experiences and intuition and premonitions.

Sadly, most the posts fail to consider your post that shows this is emotionally difficult to express for you. Thank you for what you have shared and I would suggest please dont stop now.

[blufire]

Posted by WEAREONE (here)
blufire,

Please share more.

Of course whatever you say will be scrutinized. but, so what.....

For me im hoping you share more of how you have come to these conclusions. I imagine it as a combination of experiences and intuition and premonitions.

Sadly, most the posts fail to consider your post that shows this is emotionally difficult to express for you. Thank you for what you have shared and I would suggest please dont stop now.

Thank you much for the encouragement.

I haven’t completely given up . . .coming close . . .we will see what happens with my next few posts..

I feel like your avatar.

[heyokah]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
Sierra. . . . How do we feed the billions until we have the technology?

I am on my tablet and cannot answer in great detail.

I have answered the organic farming question on the thread I started this thread from.

Go to my posts on that thread.

There is physically and with our rapidly changing climate to mass farm organically or even naturally.

I have grown my food all my life and my growing skills have been greatly challenged the last 10 years because of the climate. Which is why I only grow now for my family.

I read your posts/thread, and I disagree with your premise, as most on Avalon do. Obviously we have to take back the technology.

Posted by blufire (here)
Our grandparents and the family farms of even 25 years ago could only farm on average 80 acres organically or naturally. There is simply not enough hours in the day or weeks in a growing season for the amount of intensive laborious it takes.

Obviously and clearly you have never gardened on a level to feed an average family for a year.

Of course not. I am not a farmer. But many farmers do, and feed the world as well, until that is, the Monsantos and HAARPS of the world made it virtually impossible, but hey that is no reason to give up, or to give in, and give them the money they want. We are the haves, and it is our duty to fix the mess.

She didn't and doesn't give up....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dsK3V04LAvw

[Sierra]

What Vendana Shiva talks about:

Problem: Monsanto terminator seeds, Monsanto Round Up poison that only Monsanto seeds can survive
Reaction: 160,000 farmers suicide
Solution: Form community seed banks. Genuine seed that can reproduce, sold to farmers at low cost

It looks like we can do the Illuminati Problem/Reaction/Solution scenario too.

Thank you Heyokah, that is encouraging to hear. You made my day.

[naste.de.lumina]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=a2x6TEeknfo

[Sierra]

Monsanto hires infamous mercenary firm Blackwater to track activists around the world:

http://www.naturalnews.com/040492_GM...lackwater.html

Quoting in part (bolding is mine):
"... entities closely linked to the private security firm Blackwater have provided intelligence, training and security services to US and foreign governments as well as several multinational corporations, including Monsanto, Chevron, the Walt Disney Company, Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines and banking giants Deutsche Bank and Barclays, according to documents obtained by The Nation. Blackwater's work for corporations and government agencies was contracted using two companies owned by Blackwater's owner and founder, Erik Prince: Total Intelligence Solutions and the Terrorism Research Center (TRC). Prince is listed as the chairman of both companies in internal company documents, which show how the web of companies functions as a highly coordinated operation."

A spokesperson representing Monsanto admits the company hired Total Intelligence for information "... about the activities of groups or individuals that could pose a risk to company personnel or operations around the world which were developed by monitoring local media reports and other publicly available information. The subject matter ranged from information regarding terrorist incidents in Asia or kidnappings in Central America to scanning the content of activist blogs and websites."

However, what the spokesperson fails to address is that according to documents secured by Scahill, Monsanto was willing to pay a sizable sum (up to $500,000) for Blackwater agents to infiltrate anti-Monsanto organizations.

As the plot continues to thicken regarding Monsanto's tactics of domination, Ananda aptly notes:

"... Monsanto, by hiring a mercenary army and former CIA field agents, is deadly serious about protecting its deadly products. Yet, this contract further discredits the company. The public can now paint an even bleaker picture of the firm that brought us Agent Orange, PCBs, rBST, DDT, aspartame and, now, hit men."

Interesting Factoids: During the run up to WWII, Germany's first paramilitary organization was called Blackwater. After a few false flag events, the Nazis created a department for internal control, called ... The Department of Homeland Security.

[gripreaper]

This thread just died? So, we will never know why GMO foods are absolutely necessary to feed the 7 billion people? We will never know why the "guardian's" have instructed the "controller's" to implement this solution as soon as possible, because blufire and Bill Ryan know what's coming but are reluctant to share this cataclysmic event with us? We will never know how GMO is an integral part in the survival of the species? We will never know what the most probable timeline we are facing is, how imminent it is, and why we should be embracing GMO?

What a shame.

So far, all we have is undisputed information that GMO is destroying the planet ecosystem, infiltrating all crops and taking over the fields which are not GMO and destroying them through pollination, forcing farmers to use terminator seeds and pesticides which only Monsanto produces, that thousands of India's farmers have committed suicide because they can no longer sustain farming practices which they have used effectively for thousands of years, that almost all countries around the world are rallying against GMO while the good old USofA is passing legislation to protect Monsanto from any prosecution, or any reprisal for not effectively testing, while "fast tracking" their stuff into the marketplace?

This dilemma is hard to reconcile without the information being withheld by blufire. If you know something, you should tell us. We are the only one's who can help solve this dilemma and rally to bring the best possible outcome to the fore.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
If you know something, you should tell us. We are the only one's who can help solve this dilemma and rally to bring the best possible outcome to the fore.

No, no, those who know should not tell us. In our panic, we'd likely make a bigger mess of things, and perhaps even threaten the powerful who are the only one's who know what is needed to save us.

</sarcasm>

[blufire]

Well this thread went about how I thought it would.

I did hope that maybe we could start a different dialogue especially with what I shared in post #67.

But instead what I have gotten is an administrator and moderator going at me in such a way that if it were another PA member saying these same things in this same manner that member would be reprimanded or more.

But I think the thing that hurts the most and is the most deeply discouraging is gripreaper.

Gripreaper you divulged in several posts in a couple different threads very private and personal information I communicated to you in a private message. I cannot tell you how betrayed and devastating this is to me. This information about my encounters as a child you have used against me in these threads to try to color who you feel I am and with ignorant knowledge about this particular alien race.

Why should I even try to communicate and tell my story and what I have come to understand any further if this is how I will be treated? Read back through this thread . . . I even said this very thing that other people who have told their storyand share their knowledge get ripped to shreds.


I have noticed with great interest the threads that PA new member Todd Hathaway has started. Smart man he is. With each thread he has started he ends the post with the following

Any discussion that follows this post in this Avalon forum thread is strictly between other Avalon forum members.

Now why do you reckon he would do such a thing? I think I have a pretty good notion.

So now what do we do?

Shall I just go my merry way? Because this is the message I have gotten loud and clear.

Or shall we truly try to do a bit more Human Awakening and apply all Spirituality and Science . . . . . . or is this not allowed any longer on this forum?

And let it be known that I surely won’t be divulging anymore highly personal and private information in private messages or otherwise even with members like gripreaper who I at one time would have thought was a very trustworthy and honorable soul.

[Sierra]

Posted by blufire (here)
But instead what I have gotten is an administrator and moderator going at me in such a way that if it were another PA member saying these same things in this same manner that member would be reprimanded or more.

No. What you got was an administrator and a moderator contradicting you and giving evidence/research/material/links as to why they contradicted you. I've gone back and reread all of my posts on this thread, and they were not rude, and not in need of reprimand.

Back your claim up with an actual link or quote please if you are going to make accusations like this.

Going on my profile and using private information about me in public while that information is for members only (It is a member's choice who can view their profile and mine is set to member's only.), while not against the guidelines... could be construed as an invasion of privacy.

Likewise your accusations towards Gripreaper should be reported with links and PMs to the moderators, not as a general complaint with no proof on a public forum.

Sierra

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by blufire (here)
...Not ONLY the material from the researchers against all gmo’s and related technology but researchers who are from the ‘other side’ whose research is just as valid as to why at this time we (globally) need this technology.
...

This is what I'm hoping to get from you. I trust you have seen this research, trust it was not from Monsanto or one of their paid studies, and trust that it convinced you. I need to see it, scrutinize it. So far, I have seen nothing to show that GMO seeds are anything but hype and/or have any positive attribute other than to a Monsanto stockholder's profits.

Number two, I'd like to see that you have read Rodale Institute's summary of 30 years studying organic versus conventional farming side-by-side, where they proved that organic was just as cost effective. I need to know that you know this, understand that the entire population of the Earth could be eating organic food right now (just as we did for the first 10,000 years of agriculture) and yet reject this due to [__________________] <-- fill in the blank.

Number three, I know you eat organically. If you believe GMO food is a critical transhumanist step, why not go ahead and eat it?

Finally, as I said elsewhere (but want to underscore, here) opposition to an idea you've expressed is not opposition to you as a person, not a judgment of your value, and certainly has nothing to do with hating you. I think you are being a bit melodramatic with that, but then you do almost exclusively stand in opposition to the opinions of many others, and you probably feel like you have a target stapled to your forehead. Recognize that we recognize who you are - and that this is an opinion, not a person that we are expressing opposition to. I'd not only have a pot of coffee with you, I'd love to meet in person and share a few (organic) homecooked meals. I can even cook! (or clean up)

You're probably familiar with how a debate team competes: a topic is presented, and the moderator assigns the "pro" argument to one team and the "con" argument to the other. It isn't personal. So, you have taken the "pro" argument on this topic. Great. I just want to hear your best argument, show me where my thinking is wrong, convince me where yours is correct. You are not being attacked.

Love,

Dennis

[gripreaper]

I have no choice but to address this in the forum.

Posted by blufire (here)
But I think the thing that hurts the most and is the most deeply discouraging is gripreaper. Gripreaper you divulged in several posts in a couple different threads very private and personal information I communicated to you in a private message. I cannot tell you how betrayed and devastating this is to me. This information about my encounters as a child you have used against me in these threads to try to color who you feel I am and with ignorant knowledge about this particular alien race.

As far as I know, I have not divulged anything which you yourself did not already divulge in this public forum. In your opening post to this thread you wrote:

Posted by blufire (here)
Since returning to the mountains I have begun to ‘remember’. Actually where I am today in my spirituality, knowledge, understanding and wisdom is a result of ‘encounters’ from my childhood . . . . encounters that I have begun to remember since I have been back and secluded in my beloved mountains.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...and-Technology

So, YOU told us about your childhood "encounters" which you have begun to remember.

Posted by blufire (here)
With my now understanding of what I was shown as a child. One of the most overwhelming parts of my now understanding of what I have remembered is ‘they’ do not have this attitude or view of us. I am speaking of the Shepherds and to a lesser degree the Controllers.

There will be a near ELE (extinction level event). Less than one billion humans will survive. The Controllers through the direction of our Shepherds have prepared and continue to prepare rapidly for this eventual reality. It is very true that many do not have a choice. The Shepherds realize this and are addressing this need by advancing technology and science as rapidly as possible. Keeping ahead of exponential population growth is difficult at best.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...468#post688468

In this post, you tell us that "they", the shepherds, which you encountered as a child, are benevolent, and wish to help humanity by implementing GMO foods as quickly as possible to prepare for an extinction level event, and are instructing the controllers, which you admit elsewhere are the elite cabal. You've also indicated that these controllers are benevolent and have the best interests of humanity at heart, because they too are human.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...278#post693278

Posted by blufire (here)
Because if humanity as a whole understood why this research and technology is being put into rapid expansion there would be unbelievable chaos and would be cruel. The Truth? We as a whole would not be able to handle the Truth.

Here, you tell us that you "know" what is going to happen, but that we would not be able to handle what you know and have received from the shepherds in your childhood encounters.

Posted by blufire (here)
Bill, I also feel it is ‘non-negotiably unconscionable’ when someone in a position such as yours holds back valuable information and clarity that would enable people to understand more fully exactly what to expect and how to prepare in everyway for their current way of life and for their future and for their generations after them.

Here, you challenge Bill to come forward with what only you and he know, because he is "hiding" this gargantuan truth from all of us.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...404#post685404

Posted by blufire (here)
These two paragraphs hit me full on and with conviction. I feel I can no longer be silent in what I feel I was shown so many years ago or what I have come to understand and believe is unfolding. And yes, I know I agreed to this path before I came here at this time and this place. There is also a very deep feeling that I also was ‘sent’ here. I agreed but out of some sense of loyalty or understanding that I really didn’t have a choice.

I feel with conviction that now is the time in my life, because at the age I am and with the past 40+ years of research, study, and life experience I now understand more fully what I was shown so many years ago.

And also because now every time and try to ‘forget’ again I am pushed harder.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...362#post685362

So, this is something you have indicated you want to share. You have shared with us that you have had child encounters with aliens, that they have divulged some very important information for mankind's survival to you, that these aliens are typically viewed as malevolent, yet you find them quite benevolent, that the controllers are benevolent and human too, and are responsible for preserving mankind, and that we are at a critical juncture which you can no longer keep to yourself. How is it that I divulged "private" information?

Is it such a stretch if I call the evil aliens, "greys", as many on this planet do, and what happened with Eisenhower and his agreements with these aliens and the events at Area 51 as described by Phil Schneider and others, and you consider the "shepherd's" as benevolent? How is that divulging anything that you haven't already told us?

Posted by blufire (here)
Why should I even try to communicate and tell my story and what I have come to understand any further if this is how I will be treated? Read back through this thread . . . I even said this very thing that other people who have told their story and share their knowledge get ripped to shreds.

"Ripped to shreds"? "Divulging private info"? I'm sorry you feel this way. I meant what I said about supporting you and honoring your experience, as you said you wanted to bring it forward. If I have hurt you in any way, it was not my intention to do so and I am deeply sorry.

Any discussion that follows this post in this Avalon forum thread is strictly between other Avalon forum members.

Posted by blufire (here)
Now why do you reckon he would do such a thing? I think I have a pretty good notion.

I don't know. It is understood that information given in private is not to be divulged in public without the permission of the author.

Posted by blufire (here)
And let it be known that I surely won’t be divulging anymore highly personal and private information in private messages or otherwise even with members like gripreaper who I at one time would have thought was a very trustworthy and honorable soul.

This does hurt. I consider myself trustworthy and honorable, and if I breach this in any way, it creates karma in my energy field to which I will have to deal with it in duality, as is my understanding. Everything happens in balance, and anything I do polarized brings the opposite.

Please blufire, follow your heart and please understand I am not, nor would I ever, divulge private info on a public forum without the express permission from the author.

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
Finally, as I said elsewhere (but want to underscore, here) opposition to an idea you've expressed is not opposition to you as a person, not a judgment of your value, and certainly has nothing to do with hating you. I think you are being a bit melodramatic with that, but then you do almost exclusively stand in opposition to the opinions of many others, and you probably feel like you have a target stapled to your forehead. Recognize that we recognize who you are - and that this is an opinion, not a person that we are expressing opposition to. I'd not only have a pot of coffee with you, I'd love to meet in person and share a few (organic) homecooked meals. I can even cook! (or clean up)

I wholeheartedly agree. I've always respected blufire because she "walks the walk" and not just "talks the talk" and I too would love to meet her and sit and chat around the campfire with a bowl of organic soup and our favorite libation, and discuss the big picture.

[jiminii]

what we are talking about is 2 1/2 percent of the world is totally insane ... stuck in incidents on the track going way back and those who don't agree with them are the enemies .... they infect 20 percent of the world .. have these going like a roller coaster ... intention counter intention .. is suppression ... these 20 percent are affecting the remaining 80 percent ... the thing is this ... we need to get to the 2 1/2 percent ... and those who are the closest to them ... they have our attention on all this monsanto crap and the destruction of the land ... and where are we going ???? that is what you have to look at ...

we won ... that is what we need to know .... why ... are you worried about death ???? well .. where will you go ..???? they have removed the force fields on the planet so we are free to go ..... so you will probably go to some planet in the stars in a similar situation as we are as that galactic government is almost identical but on a larger scale than USA .... they have the same bankers .. that plan wars ... but over 10,000 year periods .. but it is the same game ... what is the purpose of of auditing .... why do we do it .... we do it to erase those patterns ... if we don't history keeps repeating itself ... what we did in the future is we got rid of this perpetual motion picture time recording system called the MIND .. everyone carries around from lifetime to lifetime .. that the spirit BELIEVES he MUST HAVE .. that is so full of lies and implants and crap for trillions of years ???? who needs this ???? auditing is the way to erase time place and event of this mind ... it is the only thing that can trap you to a prison planet ... it is made from physical universe Matter energy space and time ... so it has weight ... a spirit has no mass no energy no space and no time and can not be traceable in this universe ..the only way it can be traceable is by a spirit believing it needs this MIND it carries from lifetime to lifetime ... with it they can flood it will implants and garbage and control mechanisms ... without it .. the spirit can KNOW anything clearly .... by viewing ... and not having this mind to alter the being's perceptions ...

we should not be putting our attention on the effects these people are creating ,.. that is how they keep us bouncing all over the internet and going positive to negative and continuously spinning .... we should keep our attention on revealing the source of all this s*** and having everyone attacking it ... bringing it to light

the closer we get ... the more they are found out the more sane this planet will be ... the more we go off on trying to stop their 20 percent spinning effected followers ... that produce s*** for them the less we will be able to end this stuff ... go for the controllers of these companies .. not the workers ... start finding their crimes and skeletons in the closet .. put that out for the world to see ... and they won't be able to do what they are doing anymore ...

we have to dead agent the liars .... dead agent means ... if you have a spy and he is working at spreading lies into another country .. all you have to do is prove it and he becomes a dead agent ... no one will believe him ... we have to dead agent .. their spies .. media .. and any others that are working for them ...

dead agent their top people and no one will believe them anymore ... dead agent the reporters of the news broadcasters by proving their data is false .. and pass out fliers right in front of their tv stations and newspapers .. dead agent all the people working for them with truth .. right in front of their noses .. standing with signs in front of the media stations ... and give the names of the liars ... and those people will not be believed anymore ...

you can do it on the internet .. too .. literally prove a persons information false ... he become a dead agent .. means no one will believe him anymore ..

jim

[blufire]

Posted by jiminii (here)
what we are talking about is 2 1/2 percent of the world is totally insane ... stuck in incidents on the track going way back and those who don't agree with them are the enemies .... they infect 20 percent of the world .. have these going like a roller coaster ... intention counter intention .. is suppression ... these 20 percent are affecting the remaining 80 percent ... the thing is this ... we need to get to the 2 1/2 percent ... and those who are the closest to them ... they have our attention on all this monsanto crap and the destruction of the land ... and where are we going ???? that is what you have to look at ...

we won ... that is what we need to know .... why ... are you worried about death ???? well .. where will you go ..???? they have removed the force fields on the planet so we are free to go ..... so you will probably go to some planet in the stars in a similar situation as we are as that galactic government is almost identical but on a larger scale than USA .... they have the same bankers .. that plan wars ... but over 10,000 year periods .. but it is the same game ... what is the purpose of of auditing .... why do we do it .... we do it to erase those patterns ... if we don't history keeps repeating itself ... what we did in the future is we got rid of this perpetual motion picture time recording system called the MIND .. everyone carries around from lifetime to lifetime .. that the spirit BELIEVES he MUST HAVE .. that is so full of lies and implants and crap for trillions of years ???? who needs this ???? auditing is the way to erase time place and event of this mind ... it is the only thing that can trap you to a prison planet ... it is made from physical universe Matter energy space and time ... so it has weight ... a spirit has no mass no energy no space and no time and can not be traceable in this universe ..the only way it can be traceable is by a spirit believing it needs this MIND it carries from lifetime to lifetime ... with it they can flood it will implants and garbage and control mechanisms ... without it .. the spirit can KNOW anything clearly .... by viewing ... and not having this mind to alter the being's perceptions ...

we should not be putting our attention on the effects these people are creating ,.. that is how they keep us bouncing all over the internet and going positive to negative and continuously spinning .... we should keep our attention on revealing the source of all this s*** and having everyone attacking it ... bringing it to light

the closer we get ... the more they are found out the more sane this planet will be ... the more we go off on trying to stop their 20 percent spinning effected followers ... that produce s*** for them the less we will be able to end this stuff ... go for the controllers of these companies .. not the workers ... start finding their crimes and skeletons in the closet .. put that out for the world to see ... and they won't be able to do what they are doing anymore ...

we have to dead agent the liars .... dead agent means ... if you have a spy and he is working at spreading lies into another country .. all you have to do is prove it and he becomes a dead agent ... no one will believe him ... we have to dead agent .. their spies .. media .. and any others that are working for them ...

dead agent their top people and no one will believe them anymore ... dead agent the reporters of the news broadcasters by proving their data is false .. and pass out fliers right in front of their tv stations and newspapers .. dead agent all the people working for them with truth .. right in front of their noses .. standing with signs in front of the media stations ... and give the names of the liars ... and those people will not be believed anymore ...

you can do it on the internet .. too .. literally prove a persons information false ... he become a dead agent .. means no one will believe him anymore ..

jim

Jim,

I am not ignoring your posts. I simply cannot understand what the hell you are saying most of the time.

I appreciate much your very individualized knowledge and input but for me it is like you are speaking a very ancient foreign language.

Others seem to garner info from your posts so by all means keep at it, I just can’t respond coherently because of the lack of my ability to understand

[blufire]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by blufire (here)
But instead what I have gotten is an administrator and moderator going at me in such a way that if it were another PA member saying these same things in this same manner that member would be reprimanded or more.

No. What you got was an administrator and a moderator contradicting you and giving evidence/research/material/links as to why they contradicted you. I've gone back and reread all of my posts on this thread, and they were not rude, and not in need of reprimand.

Back your claim up with an actual link or quote please if you are going to make accusations like this.

Going on my profile and using private information about me in public while that information is for members only (It is a member's choice who can view their profile and mine is set to member's only.), while not against the guidelines... could be construed as an invasion of privacy.

Likewise your accusations towards Gripreaper should be reported with links and PMs to the moderators, not as a general complaint with no proof on a public forum.

Sierra

Sierra,

I’m speaking of the full on sarcastic, (paul even admits it) attack mode, condescension, anger etc . . . . and I won’t get into taking posts apart bits and pieces to try to prove what is obvious as an overall theme.

Regarding going on your profile and using private information for member only eyes. Well you are flat out wrong. The only way I knew about your new home is because you posted quite often about it on ulli’s ‘here and now’ thread. I even ‘posted’ a house warming gift to you on that thread. Yes I went to your profile to see if I was remembering right and I had the right moderator. So absolutely no invasion of privacy on my part, unless ulli's thread is forum members only.

This is an example (since you seem to want specifics) of slanting what I am doing or saying. I was using specific information from the forum (your new home and lifestyle) to make a point in who is a ‘have’ and who is a ‘have not’ from a global perspective.

Regarding your comment about gripreaper. Reporting his use of my private message to moderation would serve no purpose. Voicing and exposing what he did on a public forum just as he voiced my private information about a very private childhood experience (and other info) on this forum levels the playing field.

He divulged this personal information in his post #48 (on this thread) and the very day I sent the PM to him. As well as he went into more detail about what I said to him in at least two other threads. And no, I am not going to dig up those other comments or threads because it would be a waste of what little time I have to be on Avalon. The ‘specific’ proof is in #48 and also in those other threads.

And to try to prove this (only) to moderation would mean I would have to reveal specifically what I said in this pm to him . . . not something I will do in any way shape or form. This way I will know if any more of what I said to him happens to surface after this day and time it will be very clear what is going on. I have learned a very valuable lesson here . . . . trust absolutely no one.

[blufire]

gripreaper,

I believe firmly that you are one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable people I have ever known. Your ability to communicate clearly and eloquently is unmatched on this forum.

Do I believe you purposely used the information from my PM to you? I truly do not know. I want to believe that your mind is so sharp and vast that you assimilate large amounts of information and it all comes out melded together in your incredible posts. I want to believe that in your passion to communicate your beliefs and knowledge that you ‘forgot’ that what I communicated to you was in the form of a private message.

But I also know that the posts in the various threads that contained bits and pieced of what I (only) said to you conclusively slanted how other members will now view me or what they may believe about me.

So I can only determine that either this (revealing info from my pm) was completely innocent or very strategic . . . . this I’m sure will remain inconclusive.

And I’m okay with that.

I’m okay with that because I am fully aware that what I am trying to say and my personal views make people very uncomfortable. People fight back when they feel their core beliefs are being challenged. People react in fear and anger when something they need to believe or have believed for significant parts of their lives may be a lie or has been carefully manipulated.

And this thread is a very good example. Not once (a bit here and there) has anyone posted on something I have said and addressed it in a manner that it can be discussed without high emotion. Mostly this thread has now become an explosion of what I believe firmly is wrong and that I am somehow disillusioned and brainwashed. It has been reduced to me defending my knowledge and fielding off other members beliefs regarding Monsanto and the ‘elite'.

Not very productive.

I’m not giving up yet. I’m a stubborn ‘ole bird. We will see.

Between you and I (and everyone needs to know this) I hold no grudge or ill will. This also is unproductive. I understand pretty well what is going on here and I have seen it before (many times) it’s all good and actually all Very Human.

[blufire]

Dennis,

I think I will concentrate primarily on your posts for a while on this thread. I thank you deeply for your consistent loving demeanor and attitude. Many times I associate people with certain animals and I hope you won’t be offended if I tell you that you remind me of a beautiful Golden Retriever.

Number two, I'd like to see that you have read Rodale Institute's summary of 30 years studying organic versus conventional farming side-by-side, where they proved that organic was just as cost effective. I need to know that you know this, understand that the entire population of the Earth could be eating organic food right now (just as we did for the first 10,000 years of agriculture) and yet reject this due to [__________________] <-- fill in the blank.

I am very familiar with Rodale’s summary. The Rodale Institute is one of the sources I used (started with) way back in the early 80’s when I began my own quest to farm only naturally and organically and on a large scale (under 100 acres) Interestingly . . I hope you notice that was about 30 years ago. So yes I know definitively and personally about this farming method.

I would also like to very firmly point out that this research was the PAST 30 years and in no way will be feasible in our near future because of our rapidly changing global climate. It is not feasible with our current severe weather. I am a seasoned farmer and gardener and my skills have been challenged greatly over the past few years, which is another reason I returned to the Appalachians. These mountains protect us to a good degree.

I also know definitively and personally that their research breaks conclusively at the 100+ acre mark. After reaching 100+ acres farming naturally or organically the bottom lines (comparing organic to conventional) begin to separate dramatically. I worked side by side . . . dirt to dirt . . . with farmers (conventional and organic) these past 30 years doing hands to dirt research. I have notebooks filled with data, from the temperature of the year, soil content, soil temperature, germination data on every seed we planted, temperature and growing conditions throughout the growing season, personal notes on each farmer and his abilities, what each field harvested and comparables on what other farmers fields harvested, on and on and on.

What I need to make VERY clear. Please please please understand this one fact before we move forward.

We need to be clear that I believe you and others members are very confused. You are confusing conventional farming with corporate farming and both are monumentally different from organic or even natural farming.

So let’s categorize exactly what we are discussing here. We need to define three types of farming and actually even the word farming

Organic Farming (lets not confuse this by including natural farming) niche farming that very few engage in. Most of these farms are less than 100 acres (actual tillable soil). These farms will be the farms that feed a small segment of the global population because this method will have to be highly adapted to the area the farmer lives. The farmer will have to have years of seed saved that has adapted with the changing climate. These seeds and plants (and humans) will be the survival of the fittest or natural selection type scenario. .

Conventional Farming: most small and family farms still use this method and this is where my research comparing to organic farming comes from. Most of theses farms range under 1000 acres (actual tillable soil) They use a mixture of hybridized seed and Monsanto type seed and chemicals and a mixture of both tilling (plow, harrow, cultivate) and no-till method (no soil disturbance and sprays) This method is becoming a thing of the past.

Corporate Farming: these are the massive massive farms that use only Monsanto type products and most importantly ONLY Monsanto type methods of farming. These farms are literally 10’s of thousands of acres and are ‘no till’. These are the farms that feed the majority of the global population.

Google pictures of corporate farms and you will get the idea. There is no way these massive corporate farms can be conventionally farmed let alone organically farmed. There is literally not enough hours in the day or days in the growing season to conventionally or organically farm these 10’s of thousands of acres. .

I am being very simplistic here but enough to hopefully a ‘lay’ person can understand.

Quickly (I have chores waiting) I also want to point out that the people who learn to garden with our changing global climate and stressing and acclimating their own seeds and land will be the areas that will thrive in our near future world. We will be the ones who continue to live close to the soil and nature but also will use certain technology to our benefit. We will listen and watch and adapt accordingly.

Read though this and let me know what I need to make clearer or which direction I should wander next.

[william r sanford72]

Posted by william r sanford72 (here)
in my burnt out hard drive i had footage recorded over time of grain bins along the missp. river from a life long friend who operates a tug boat..during the on season or harvest his primary job is to move grain barges up and down the river to unload or upload.almost always corn.what i saw occuring was mountains o corn...i mean little mountains or metric tons being held back..stored.to manipulate the price.follow the stockmarket.some of the corn would and is rotting...as i write.what my friend also conveyed was going on that i couldnt see was corn gone bad being processed in such away that it could be reintroduced into the food chain for human consumption.livestock.... so forth........now wrap yor head around this truth ...this is a very very small section that i had access to....my point being the truth is under our noses in so many ways...and we grow oh so much more grain then you can imagine...we throw it away...also iam not liked much for my views to...around where i live atleast.so i stick close to home.sorry about sp. also blufire thankyou..your views brings much needed focus on a dire problem that will and has touched all of life on this planet.gets people thinking and talking.so good job to all!!

ok.please explain how this helps prepare for anything??.I live in belly of this beast.IOWA.monsanto.help me understand why we cant farm without gmos.chemicals.

[Sidney]

(quote from Bluefire)
""Corporate Farming: these are the massive massive farms that use only Monsanto type products and most importantly ONLY Monsanto type methods of farming. These farms are literally 10’s of thousands of acres and are ‘no till’. These are the farms that feed the majority of the global population.""
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First of all, I personally am NOT confused.
Second, these MASSIVE farms, got that massive, because of their lovely GEOENGINEERING HOBBY of spraying chemicals via chemtrail tankers, have cause major flooding, deliberately, in specific areas of the corn belt and other geographical areas of prime farm land. They flooded them out, swooped in and snatched the bankrupt farmers land right out from under them.
Third,Before the massive chemtrailing operations started in the 90s, I had no trouble growing anything at anytime. I live in the middle of a bunch of farm fields. Now, you need ALUMINUM resistant seeds. Seriously?
Forth-Definition of conventional : Conventional is an adjective for things that are normal, ordinary, and following the accepted way. Conventional is a relative term. It means different things for different people. IMO, conventionaly does NOT necessarily equal monsanto type anything.

The deliberate manipulation of the atmosphere,the climate,weather, and environment as a whole, is the only reason for any need for "Monsanto Type" seeds. This has been a deliberate PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION agenda. Create climate change, (problem), see crops, and farmers lives, deteriorate and die,(reaction), come up with GMO seeds, to "save the world (gag), SOLUTION. What is the grand ultimate picture? Totally dependency on Monsanto & Co. by the people. AND, Monsanto & Co. (and we all know who the & Co. is) get more and more filthy rich, while the other 99% get more and more impoverished, and sick and dead.

It seems to me, the confusion lies withing those who refuse to see that Monsanto is NOT the good guy.

[blufire]

Okay.

Another angle.

Perhaps we can come to one simple agreement so we can get forward momentum.

Can we ‘generally’ agree that there is more severe catastrophic climate change even in the last 10 years? Global catastrophic floods, drought, cold, heat, ice melt, solar activity, earthquakes etcetera. And not only on our planet but there is report after report right here on PA of odd storms and disturbances on other planets.

Can we ‘generally’ agree that we are seeing a global change in our climate and on other planets? It is important that we include other planets because this climate change is due to perturbance in the solar system.

Set aside for a bit about chemtrails and geoengineering.

Is there solar system wide and global severe weather rapid changes and/or geophysical events? Yes or No?