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    Speigel online reveals that the NSA has been spying on the EU:

    Quote In a "top secret" classified NSA paper in September 2010 describes how the intelligence attacked the EU's diplomatic representation in Washington.

    Thus, not only bugs were installed in the building in the U.S. capital, but also the internal computer network was infiltrated. In this way, the Americans not only get access to meetings at the premises of the EU , but also to e-mails and internal documents on the computers.



    Quote Apparently, the U.S. Secret Service is responsible for eavesdropping, which took place in Brussels. A little more than five years of EU security experts were several failed calls that had apparently been considered a remote maintenance facility in the Justus Lipsius building. There sit the EU Council of Ministers and the European Council
    Track down the caller who watched the security authorities, led to the NATO headquarters in Brussels suburb of Evere. A detailed analysis showed that the attacks apparently originated on the telecommunications system from a separately shielded area of ​​the NATO facility, which is used by the NSA experts.

    A review of remote maintenance system revealed that she was repeatedly called for precisely this complex and NATO achieved. Each EU Member State has in the Justus Lipsius building spaces in which Minister may withdraw, there is also telephone and internet connections.
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    The original article is here:

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    Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America

    Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst



    At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".

    Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

    Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

    Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

    In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.

    He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".

    Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.

    Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing.

    "I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.

    The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.

    "The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."

    Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."

    Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites.

    He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.

    The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.

    The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.

    "A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."

    This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.

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    All this EU outrage about "America" spying on their offices is a big crock !

    Even if NSA = USA, which it doesn't, The NSA is probably not actually breaking in anywhere.

    I would assume that any government of a major country would have people in it who perfectly well know how the internet is spooked and all have a hand in the activity. For big time political talking heads to cry 'foul' at this time is quite simply unbelievable and indicates an agreed international response to the situation.

    In other words, " let's turn this into a hacking scandal before the public realise what's actually going on". That's very doable because a lot of people love the whole James Bond thing. If they can make it all look like it's about one country spying on another country they can get good mileage out of this.

    This is definitely not about one country spying on another country. This is really about a global cyber space that is isolating personal space until personal space is snuffed out. The extent of it, if it were to be exposed ( and even Snowden has not exposed it - take note ) would shatter the credibility of everything the governments tell the people about the state of the world.

    Try to imagine how they would struggle to justify the way they are conducting the 'war on terror' if it was widely understood how complete the data set is that they have. It wouldn't take long for people to work out that something was not right. Instead, they are deflecting or morphing it into a nation v nation and nation v terrorist security hero story that the people will probably accept and go back to shopping or sleep.

    Hackers are heroes, global cyber tyranny is definitely a no-no in anybody's language. Just watch which way they steer this story. I think we can all more or less guess, can't we ?
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