A metaphor about abduction

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

Here's something that occurred today which may be a metaphor. It's also light relief, but might possibly prompt some thoughts.

At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: a turkey, a goose, and a duck. (Sounds like a children's story.)

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

Easier said than done. We tried to lure them into a horse trailer with trails of grain, but they were too smart and realised that something was up. (The goose, in particular, was very psychic and suspicious.) So we had to capture them.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

Moral of the story:

The birds were abducted by benevolent superior beings, with much higher technology and vision, who did not want to harm them. But from the birds' point of view, we are clearly evil (or self-serving, at best) and it was all a terrible trauma. It was impossible to explain to them what we were doing, or why. It was absolutely outside of their intellect and reality. All they wanted to do was escape.

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

[DeDukshyn]

I believe that may also be a timely metaphor. Simple, yet obviously thought provoking ... thanks again.

[johnf]

The humans in the story were making adjustments to previous interventions
in the bird kingdom, where their ancestors found it necessary to domesticate the birds ancestors.
My take on the whole existence of humanoid species is that their task is to learn balance between intervening
with nature, and being agents of benevolent creation in nature. I like the term stewardship.

I have been involved with having groups of fowl around the house, there are many lessons there.
Happy chickens and ducks to all.

jf

[shadowstalker]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Dear Friends,

Here's something that occurred today which may be a metaphor. It's also light relief, but might possibly prompt some thoughts.

At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: a turkey, a goose, and a duck. (Sounds like a children's story.)

We didn't want to harm them, so we found them a good home -- someone who has lots of birds of all kinds roaming free on his property. So we had to catch them and transport them there.

Easier said than done. We tried to lure them into a horse trailer with trails of grain, but they were too smart and realised that something was up. (The goose, in particular, was very psychic and suspicious.) So we had to capture them.

My friend, who has an abundance of energy, chased them all over our property with a giant butterfly net. It was hilarious. Eventually, he caught them all, and we imprisoned them in the trailer. I then drove them to a rendezvous with the person who was happy to take them all. I returned about half an hour ago.

Moral of the story:

The birds were abducted by benevolent superior beings, with much higher technology and vision, who did not want to harm them. But from the birds' point of view, we are clearly evil (or self-serving, at best) and it was all a terrible trauma. It was impossible to explain to them what we were doing, or why. It was absolutely outside of their intellect and reality. All they wanted to do was escape.

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

I had been trying to explain that to many ppl at many times,(Good Sense)
But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..
It's the fear factor and circumstance (so many) that can literally make the difference.
And so many are blind to it. for just that reason.

[naste.de.lumina]

Nice story.
Well, if the birds had a forum, they would probably also be able to take a few shots at his friend.
To think about.
Hug.

[Gardener]

I guess the dilemma of the birds (given consciousness of a kind relative to birds) might be... "Is this intervention for taking us to a good home, or to the meat market." They are wired for survival like us and without the human faculty of reason I guess the option is survival.

[gripreaper]

From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Not at all.

As Shadowstalker said (perfectly!) in post #4 above:

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..

Some birds (and animals) are 'abducted' to improve their lot (of them as individuals, or alternatively of their species). Others are taken to the biolabs for experimentation, or to the slaughterhouse.

[gripreaper]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Not at all.

As Shadowstalker said (perfectly!) in post #4 above:

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
But unfortunately we have the other side of the coin, as well
The problem is trying to separate the two..

Some birds (and animals) are 'abducted' to improve their lot (of them as individuals, or alternatively of their species). Others are taken to the biolabs for experimentation, or to the slaughterhouse.

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.

Makes me wonder if Montauk, Dulce and Area 51 are our benevolent "means to an end" net chasing and trailer ride, and that there is a design bigger than our pea brains can comprehend.

[johnf]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Bob Dean is pretty adamant that the aliens are benevolent and that we just don't see the big picture. Others say that if the aliens had evil intent, we would have been annihilated long ago.

Makes me wonder if Montauk, Dulce and Area 51 are our benevolent "means to an end" benevolent overlords and that there is a design bigger than our pea brains can comprehend.

I don't think he is saying anything in particular about any intervening species.
I find the story good food for thought.
To be honest I have never found good reason to think that (as a duck) I know what the humans are up to.
When I find myself in a position to intervene for my own goals, I will consider the possible plight of the subjects.
When I find my self a duck, I make the best of the situation, which in this case seems to be greener pastures.
If I find myself in browner pastures, thew task remains the same.

jf

[DouglasDanger]

The Foul forums would be inundated with disinfo making sure the chickens get blamed so a very foul war starts lasting years.... "Chic' Kaaaaaahhhnnn! " Captain Drake screams ( or honks) at the sky, while holding his loved one in his arms. Naturally the birds would blame the other birds and not the human/benevolant overlords who moved them..

[Shadowman]

Hi Bill,

If you haven't yet seen this, prepare to die laughing, (or crying, depending on your point of view).

If you don't have a spare 8 mins (and let's face it, who does these days), just watch from the 5.00 min mark onwards;

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rB5jZNS-fdY

Cheers
tim


PS Given how humans treat other species, in most cases unecessarily, where is the imbalance should the following be the case?

From The Active Side of Infinity [page 219] "There is an explanation," don Juan replied, "which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, gallineros, the predators rear us in human coops, humaneros. Therefore, their food is always available to them."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

“One farmer says to me, 'You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with;' and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable-made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle.”

“When we are unhurried and wise, we perceive that only great and worthy things have any permanent and absolute existence, that petty fears and petty pleasures are but the shadow of the reality.” ― Henry David Thoreau, Walden

(With Thanks to Justintime #35 )

[wobbegong]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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... At our hacienda we had, besides dozens of chickens, three birds which were surplus to requirements: ...

Thankyou Bill, excellent story and food-for-thought.
The first thought that came into my mind was: "...well, considering the problem of overpopulation, 'surplus' is definitely an issue...and I sure wouldn't like to be considered surplus!"
The very next thought was about 'our hacienda'. I hope that this planet is not an ET hacienda, so if it is not, then no ET should come here and define some of us 'surplus'.

If Earth is an ET hacienda...well then the moral of the story is clear...

[Roisin]

If birds had forums… what stories would they be sharing?

I think they would work themselves up into a huge stramash and plan out a strategic attack on humanity that will make those attack scene's in "The Birds" look like a routine seasonal fly-by on their way to the tropics. (note to self: buy a hard-hat and a good pair of googles too!)
-- Additional thoughts --
On a more serious note, that story certainly DOES put things into perspective. The only thing I can think of is that what we see as negative in the abduction phenomenon and why they do the things they do, their reasons for why they do it may be far too complex for human comprehension, regardless, should this be the case, if their intentions are honorable and have something to do with our well-being and what they believe is best for us. This may be one of the reasons why they've never held a press conference to explain themselves to us let alone even show themselves to the general public to let everybody know that they exist and, in fact, are here.

[AriG]

As an expert chicken catcher, I can so relate to this story. How their little bodies vibrate in fear when you have them tucked under your arm to safely transport them to their destination. Their world is so insulated to outside influence and although we provide them with fodder and fluids, when we scoop them up to provide care or transport, we are indeed the alien life form abducting them from the safety of their world. Chicken little's we are alas.

[blufire]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
From the birds point of view, sounds like it turned out pretty well. Instead of being poked, prodded, DNA spliced, hybridized, or killed and eaten, all that really happened was a little inconvenience caused by their benevolent overlords.

Does this mean you are in agreement with blufire, that the controllers and shepherds who do the same thing to us are benevolent and have the best interests of the genome in mind, even if they are potentially terraforming earth for a new hybrid humanoid species?

Gees grip. . .I think you need to read my posts again. Your statement about what you think I believe and understand is way off base. Starting with I have never said they are benevolent OR evil. This is dualistic human genetic ingrained thinking.

Great metaphor Bill. . . Had me laughing especially with the net, I have done the exact same thing.

Next time wait until its dark and the birds go to roost. You can walk right up to them and pick them up. Perhaps another abduction metaphor ??

[johnf]

Posted by blufire (here)
Next time wait until its dark and the birds go to roost. You can walk right up to them and pick them up. Perhaps another abduction metaphor ??

We have an experienced bird abductor among us .

[RunningDeer]

Misunderstood instructions, so replaced that with this.

[norman]

[Wind]

What about birds like this?