An Oxymoron – Abduction by Harmless ETs

[wobbegong]

Posted by mojo (here)
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My hope is that the thread will not morph into all ET's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on Greer.

If you are referring to this comment

On the points you listed I would also add the disgusting lie that Greer is trying to disseminate:
"...We exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made. ..." (page 25 of 'dead man's trigger')

could you pls explain? Because I don't see any connection with an 'all ET's are bad' position, but rather one exposing a big lie that is clearly against humanity.

Concerning the 'all ET's are bad' issue, I think that what happened on other threads is that statements like 'it is not a good time for ET's to interfere with human affairs, given the situation etc. etc., therefore the ones that are here are not here for our benefit etc.' are translated into 'all ET's are bad'.
Greer in his documentary even went as far as associating to Nazis any caution on the issue - that is definitely a clear indication of a pro Alien agenda...it probably should be a topic for another thread.
So, as I mentioned earlier, I believe there are good beings out there, but they know that this is not the right time to establish an allegiance with us...I would love to meet them, but I believe it won't happen soon.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

778 the light is clearly a byproduct of the flash on your camera. It is because of the angle you held your camera at that you see the light above your head. Now that's no to say there is something real going on with you and the pain you feel in your back. Try this out and tell me if it helps. Clasp both hands behind your back and bend your elbows which will straighten your posture then straighten your arms until they are straight, away from your back and you have to bend down and the look up squeezing the muscles In between your scapulas. This stretch deals with the pericardium which actually has a lot to do with being open and spirituality. Also it has to do with sleep disorders and this may help you sleep.

I wish you well...

[donk]

Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by LIVING for KNOWLEDGE (here)
778 the light is clearly a byproduct of the flash on your camera. It is because of the angle you held your camera at that you see the light above your head. Now that's no to say there is something real going on with you and the pain you feel in your back. Try this out and tell me if it helps. Clasp both hands behind your back and bend your elbows which will straighten your posture then straighten your arms until they are straight, away from your back and you have to bend down and the look up squeezing the muscles In between your scapulas. This stretch deals with the pericardium which actually has a lot to do with being open and spirituality. Also it has to do with sleep disorders and this may help you sleep.

The stretches I do on a daily basis for years so that's not it either, thank you for your advice.

I wish you well...

Hi thanks for your response,

the red ones in front of at waist height are are camera flash response, the above are clearly not, that I know for a fact, there is an other image that would previously NOT upload for some strange reason where the blue orb is more flattened out is much higher ( floats near the ceiling), in the posted image it has changed shape is now round and much lower, I have posted about this before but got zero response that time, what I said was this image was taken on a sunny day in a room with open curtains flooded with daylight, yet the picture itself ended up dark as it is, if it wasn't for this strange picture I would have never known something was up there, and if it wasn't for all these other circumstances I would have never ever considered posted this, something is up here and I know it, only the red orbs on waist and flash height are camera images.

Thank you for your response.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by donk (here)
Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

Thanks Donk, I am sure I am not the only one here who has to deal with this sort of vague stuff, its like some is filling up its tank with my energy and has to make contact HARD to achieve this, strangest thing I always feel it coming on slow, a little faster and then WHAMMO, and I go like "ooompfff, sh!t not again eh, please f@ck off and leave me alone". To me it has the feeling of being very much connected with those pesky hard to prove psychic attacks, and it sucks, who, why and how do I make it stop, that's all I am interested in.

Do you personally share this sort of experience btw? And if its not you to who do I reach out, feel free t pm me man, I will respect the others privacy if that's the question, this other person would also have to agree about being in contact regarding this subject of course.

Thanks man, your response is very much appreciated.

Ed

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

I see no fear agenda, I see a discussion about why agendas should be hidden and a lack of confidence in our intelligence and willingness to co operate in the open, this goes for humans and whatever is out there as well.

If you want something from me, we should both benefit from the deal, to me that's respect, friendship, love, good morals and good business on the material and emotional and spiritual levels.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
Its come here too , the fear agenda against the aliens .. lol

I see no fear agenda, I see a discussion about why agendas should be hidden and a lack of confidence in our intelligence and willingness to co operate in the open, this goes for humans and whatever is out there as well.

If you want something from me, we should both benefit from the deal, to me that's respect, friendship, love, good morals and good business on the material and emotional and spiritual levels.

It is a fear agenda. I see a whole bunch of new people here whose sole purpose is to push the alien fear agenda. Its so obvious its not even funny.

am i the only one who sees a whole lot of holes in this propoganda with absolutely no solid evidence ? ( i know im not the only one )

I just get really taken by people whose immaginations have run rampant with finger pointing about things that are only marginally real at best.

Id say that of all alien encounter material reported 87% is not even remotely accurate. And as far as abductions is concerned i hate to sound contrary to the truly genuine experiencers out there , i do not want to dis respect them but this whole alien fear propoganda is imo a total dis respectation ( yet another term i have made up ) of people who have had genuine experiences.

I understand speculation of possibilities , yes i respect that but people speak as though its been confirmed ... The queen is a lizzard , our prime ministerial opposition is a cyborg robot , the aliens want to take over our planet ! yeah .. what for ? tell me one good reason you would want to take over this planet ? Why now ? why when they have had so many opportunities in the past befoe we became informed and intelligent ( which is debateable ) .

Can anybody come up with a truly convincing argument as to what would be gained by this slow clandestine take over ? Dont you think that if they were , and its somehow illegal in the alien courts , lets say , that if we picked up on it wouldnt their oppositions definitely knwo and take action against them ?! i mean i cannot phathom one truly good argument for conquering this planet.

there are thousands like it all through our galaxy un inhabited. why this one ? because they want our souls thats it ! yeah lets get some souls ! man i shake my head at the sadness that has gripped humanity and how so many of you are going right into the propoganda nest. . .

not only is it a silly proposition there is so much evidense to the contrary and you knwo who is holding the smoking gun ?

We cant even control our own human governments and we fantasise about aliens and controlling them ? or getting upset that they observe us ? there is not a lot you can do about it so why go down this road of useless debate ? its totally pointless.

sorry for the rant but i feel like the last year the fear propoganda has flooded Avalon and its a sad state of affairs for common sense.

ugh

[donk]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Wish I could help you bro (to the artist formerly known as the plumber), all I can say is that I know somebody that suffers something similar (but way different, if you know what I mean). I think reaching out is all you can do at a certain point.

I also think if you keep at it, you will be answered (eventually, and likely in an expected way). Stay as positive as you can. (That's what I tell myself). I hope you find relief

Thanks Donk, I am sure I am not the only one here who has to deal with this sort of vague stuff, its like some is filling up its tank with my energy and has to make contact HARD to achieve this, strangest thing I always feel it coming on slow, a little faster and then WHAMMO, and I go like "ooompfff, sh!t not again eh, please f@ck off and leave me alone". To me it has the feeling of being very much connected with those pesky hard to prove psychic attacks, and it sucks, who, why and how do I make it stop, that's all I am interested in.

Do you personally share this sort of experience btw? And if its not you to who do I reach out, feel free t pm me man, I will respect the others privacy if that's the question, this other person would also have to agree about being in contact regarding this subject of course.

Thanks man, your response is very much appreciated.

Ed

I personally have little to no sensitivity--or at least recognition of what I’m feeling—when it comes to anything beyond the 5 sense/3D reality. I do personally have much experience with people who are extremely sensitive, and seem to attract that into my life somehow. I have witnessed first-hand effects of entities messing with the environment, and once—at the suggestion just like you said “I just want them gone!” witnessed the speaker being like punched in the stomach while oversurge of energy made the lightbulb go superbright before burning out…she extremely ill til we moved out the location and she got them out of her mind. This was the most concrete, that solidified my suspicions of the subtler “coincidences” and anomalous occurances.

So I got something slightly different going on, I think. I almost feel like I can’t be directly attacked for some reason, or they know my only fear is causing harm to others, so they don’t bother going after me, they hit me where it really hurts. Or both. …..or neither….i dunno, but it sucks, especially when it seems there are so many people that claim it’s a piece of cake to get rid of negative bad sh!t, but it’s always, “you can do it yourself”. Sure, maybe, but wouldn’t help if showed me how? I need visuals, if I ever saw someone successfully doing it, it would be much easier for me to even try (I worry I will make things worse, as that is what history has shown me when I try to do something above my experience level).

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Well I think it is important to consider where you are focusing your energies. What is it in you that would allow something to drain your energy. Perhaps a lifestyle change is necessary to counter whatever these orbs / entities are. If you are unable to focus on this or have a hectic life perhaps it is actually something that is causing you to change your lifestyle for your benefit even though you may not perceive what that benefit is for some time. And Nanoo Nanoo this really isn't about fear. It is about preparing for something so much greater than anything the world has ever know. And truly you lack common sense if you can't see why they would want our world. In fact the may not care for worlds that are uninhibited because one of the main resources sought after in the greater community of intelligent life is biological resources. They have waited until this time in order to create destabilization in our world as we advance technologically as we near greater unity a greater usefulness for them and before we become truly self empowered, self determined, and self suficient, in our world. We are so vulnerable to these influences now. If you were a world leader and were promised world dominion and advanced technology would you take it? This if implamented will make us dependent upon them and soon then they could enforce demands upon us.They can use our infrustracture in fact and everything we have put in place to support there agenda here. They need us to work for them essentially. It is a process of acquisition and pacification so that we begin to accept there presence here and believe they are actually going to help us. Truly how could any visiting race actually help us if not only to gift us with wisdom and knowledge. To self empower us. It is bad for humanity to have premature exposure to the greater community intervening in this world because we are not ready for them. Regardless of all the things I am say which may sound like pure fascination and fear tactics. It is really about getting humanity up and going again. preserving our world and create a world that is sustainably and that can deal with influences beyond our border. Do you really think we would remain a secure, immature, and isolated race forever. Surely we would destroy ourselves within the century if that was the case. We are evolving, there is a greater community out there and intervening forces here now. Whether you like it or not we are emerging into the greater community. Nanoo Nanoo, you can either ridicule the warning. Criticize the warning, pick it apart into little pieces. Or you can prepare. Securing your life as a result and the lives of those around you for generations to come. Living in a free world, strong and self determined, wise/ discreet in our affairs, and powerful in the mental environment.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

778 perhaps a cat would help with your energy environment. They are very sensitive to energies and they maintain a wide field of energy in which would encompass there entire accessible area whether outside or inside. I have cats they help with meditation and focusing. I think they also could help keep away whatever is bothering you. If you don't have any cats. Try to spend some time with some wherever you can find them. But not wild cats, unless they are friendly like a normal house cat.

I hope you can take care of this for yourself and be more present In this world as a result. Perhaps even a hypnosis or regression therapy would help. Are you familiar with Brian Weiss ? He does past life regression. But all this is for another thread so I will say no more.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

On to the topic at hand I thought some of you might like this video just released today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=eZezT...e_gdata_player

Nanoo Nanoo perhaps you are just afraid of the truth. I can't convince you of anything nor will I try I only seek to engage in meaningful discussion of what I perceive to be a great turning point for humanity. It is so easy to be narrow sighted about this. But really the process of emerging into a greater community is not much different than the great explorers in history who would come upon new lands in search of resources take them and inslave and exploit the native inhabitants. I'm not saying litteraly we will be enslaved. It is much more discreet than that. In fact if the interventions plan works and I mean really works many people really would not even know about it. They would be totally pacified to the reality and most likely all the anger would be directed at the people we need to be building relationships with. It is a long hard confusing road to travel. And it starts with you. And our relationships all around us. Let's begin today!

[wobbegong]

Posted by LIVING for KNOWLEDGE (here)
On to the topic at hand I thought some of you might like this video just released today. https://youtube.com/watch?v=eZezT...e_gdata_player

Thankyou LIVING for KNOWLEDGE, great vid...you know, I found that material when I was a member of the old Avalon forum (freedive was my nickname), I just found an old thread that you may be interested in: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19791
I think I found it before this thread but it was thanks to Avalon...I wonder if Steven from Temiscouata is still around...Steven, if you read this can you pls contact me?

[ResistETIntervention]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)
I have a picture of me with a HUGE blue orb in the background, a smaller red and green one right above it, anybody REALLY knows what this means, it would mean a lot to me, SRSLY!!!

I am done with guessing/ speculating and need some real answers and even need to know how to get rid of them, because it hurts when they make contact ( between my shoulder blades, like some attachment in rammed in my back or is violently pulled out, it feels like I am being kicked around in my bed, when it gets yanked out I am always awake and I bounce about a feet up in the air, very tiresome). I have posted this before but only met dead silence in response

So again, if anyone KNOWS, not guesses, please tell me, I am done trying to act like a tough guy, f@ck them usually crappy ufo videos, this is a very much unwanted spiritual/energetic component that has to go.

I feel badly for you, 778 neighbour of some guy. I myself get psychical attacks time to time, particularly when I declare human sovereignty.

Out of curiosity,
- Are you able to move freely while these orbs appear? It seems that way, since you were able to get up and take a photograph of yourself with the orbs behind you.
- Do the orbs stay in one place? That is, how were you able to look in the mirror with the orbs behind you, when you were taking the photo?
- Does this occur frequently?
- Do your specific pains you described always accompany the orbs, one large blue orb with one red and green orb above it? Also, vice versa?
- What do you think those orbs are?

[ResistETIntervention]

LIVING for KNOWLEDGE and wobbegong, thank you for the links for the video and thread. They do resonate within me.

[ResistETIntervention]

Posted by mojo (here)
We can listen to the words of the late John Mack which Im referencing on page 43 of his book Abduction and he says it best.

"Needless to say, abductions profoundly affect the lives of those who experience them. These effects are traumatic and disturbing, but they can also be transforming, leading to significant personal change and spiritual growth."

My hope is that the thread will not morph into all ET's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on Greer.

In your opinion, what did John Mack mean when he stated that abductions can lead to significant personal change and spiritual growth? In what ways do you agree with him?

No, all extraterrestrial races aren’t “bad.” However, the word “bad” is too simplistic. It would be more appropriate to state that ALL the ETs that are present in our world and in our solar system currently are self-serving ETs that are here to exploit the weak and divided human race in order to gain human allegiance and take control of the world for the access of its resources. In the physical reality, acquisition of resources is a major concern for all, and the stronger ones will attempt to dominate the weaker ones for that purpose, if they can. They themselves or even you may not regard them as “bad,” but their goal is to exploit weak and divided humanity to rob our sovereignty and self-determination. We, human race, stand to lose our freedom, if enough us does not take the correct actions to thwart the ET Intervention. We should regard the ET Intervention the way Native Americans should have regarded the westerners: with wisdom, discernment, discretion, caution, and authority.

Those that could be our potential allies are not here in our solar system currently.

In case you believe that Steven Greer or anyone else has proved that there are no ETs that have abducted human beings, you might want to check out these youtube videos.

• https://youtube.com/watch?v=afoaRvjypN0 (Homicide detective Butch Witkowski)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=9RmB1PflaK8 (Homicide detective Butch Witkowski)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=hNBwYcqjisg (Ray Fowler)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4 (Dr. Roger Leir Presents New Startling Findings: Alien Implant Research)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=LKV-LhFW4WU (Dr. Roger Leir)

A hoax is a claim that “we have exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made.” In order to prove that all abductions and mutilations are man-made, one would have to prove that it is a hoax for each and every single case of abduction and mutilation cases. Clearly he has not done that, as there are many, many abductees who have not even had a single interview with him and there are abductees who have been abducted unbeknownst to themselves.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

Okay I just finished reading that thread you posted wobbegong. It is very good. I followed a link from that thread into another thread which discusses the C channeling. It consist of a large body of texts around 1700 pages. It say she took 15 years to prepare receiving this and her channel go into detail about the intervention. She say awareness will save us. Knowledge will save us. We can not stop them but awareness will change things over time. We must be unified to truly make a difference! Here is the thread http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...t=19401&page=2. It continues into the new Avalon forum on page 2. I highly recommend taking a look so we can discern this material and discuss further.

[LIVING for KNOWLEDGE]

By the way when I say we can not stop them I mean the channelling says that they can not interfere because of the law of free will. It is necessary for races to evolve independently withought interferrance in order to adapt to truly be strong and self sufficient. But what can be given is the knowledge and wisdom to help us. These channelings infacize the need to prepare for what is coming and what is already here. And when i say they say they can not interfere it is from the point of view to truly do good for humanity. Races can interfere But they won't be doing what is truly best for our growth.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by resistetintervention (here)

Posted by mojo (here)
we can listen to the words of the late john mack which im referencing on page 43 of his book abduction and he says it best.

"needless to say, abductions profoundly affect the lives of those who experience them. These effects are traumatic and disturbing, but they can also be transforming, leading to significant personal change and spiritual growth."

my hope is that the thread will not morph into all et's are bad thread, which is somewhat ironic from the comment above on greer.

in your opinion, what did john mack mean when he stated that abductions can lead to significant personal change and spiritual growth? In what ways do you agree with him?

No, all extraterrestrial races aren’t “bad.” however, the word “bad” is too simplistic. It would be more appropriate to state that all the ets that are present in our world and in our solar system currently are self-serving ets that are here to exploit the weak and divided human race in order to gain human allegiance and take control of the world for the access of its resources. In the physical reality, acquisition of resources is a major concern for all, and the stronger ones will attempt to dominate the weaker ones for that purpose, if they can. They themselves or even you may not regard them as “bad,” but their goal is to exploit weak and divided humanity to rob our sovereignty and self-determination. We, human race, stand to lose our freedom, if enough us does not take the correct actions to thwart the et intervention. We should regard the et intervention the way native americans should have regarded the westerners: With wisdom, discernment, discretion, caution, and authority.

Those that could be our potential allies are not here in our solar system currently.

In case you believe that steven greer or anyone else has proved that there are no ets that have abducted human beings, you might want to check out these youtube videos.

• https://youtube.com/watch?v=afoarvjypn0 (homicide detective butch witkowski)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=9rmb1pflak8 (homicide detective butch witkowski)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=hnbwycqjisg (ray fowler)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1bgvmo4 (dr. Roger leir presents new startling findings: Alien implant research)
• https://youtube.com/watch?v=lkv-lhfw4wu (dr. Roger leir)

a hoax is a claim that “we have exposed the hoax of abductions and mutilations, which are all man made.” in order to prove that all abductions and mutilations are man-made, one would have to prove that it is a hoax for each and every single case of abduction and mutilation cases. Clearly he has not done that, as there are many, many abductees who have not even had a single interview with him and there are abductees who have been abducted unbeknownst to themselves.

what an absolute load of bloody crap !!!

You are fear mongering the people and are working for a dis information agentcy !

You have still not presented any real truth or evidense to your outlandish theories

dont believe this person they are not telling the truth

disgusting !

[PurpleLama]

Posted by LIVING for KNOWLEDGE (here)
I have cats they help with meditation and focusing.

I am well versed in meditation and the esoteric arts, but my experience is exactly the opposite. Perhaps your cats are not nearly so rotten as mine....

I think they also could help keep away whatever is bothering you.

This, however, is absolutely true. I have even seen cats eat dark, energetic creatures, who were left over from a negative person who had previously lived in the house.