Is San Fran Asiana Flight 214 Another MSM Hoax?

[sirdipswitch]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would go to such trouble to hoax such a pointless thing. Only thing I can think of is they could be practicing for a more significant hoax.

And what else was happening that day, that this pulled our attention away from... just a thought.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would go to such trouble to hoax such a pointless thing. Only thing I can think of is they could be practicing for a more significant hoax.

And what else was happening that day, that this pulled our attention away from... just a thought.

I think Obama was signing another executive order around that time ... Some one should try to dig this up, I haven't the time, but I did hear that claim somewhere in some reading that was backed with a little evidence.

On the whole "Is it a Hoax?!" issue, there may be clues in this 92 page thread populated by actual pilot's discussions, musings and opinions. I am not that interested in going through it but if someone is interested enough here is the forum URL -- might be some good clues in here as to the feasibility of this being staged as a distraction event for media eyes to follow. http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...francisco.html

Instead of blatant accusations of a hoax, or crying like babies because someone did, we can do some research and add some value to the discussion. What a thought

[sigma6]

If you watch the plane spotter's video from across the bay you'll see exactly what happened. The plane didn't somersault - it banked and rotated on it's yaw axis (i.e. the horizontal plane).

you mean the teeny outline of some shape, then tiny animated black smoke clouds coming out, then what "appears" to be the black outline of a "plane shape" of it turn around and upside down... and then apparently landing flat in the same direction it was going with all but two apparently dead??? that is what I would ambiguous at best... and clearly manipulated at worse... similar to the very well established by now, computer graphic manipulation shown and analyzed by thousands regarding the 911 planes.

All the same, calling these things out as hoaxes straight out of the bat is just adding to the atrophying credibility of today's alternative agendas and discussion forums.

far, far from it, calling it out as hoaxy is perfectly in line with the incredible lack of factual data about the incident as a whole... the "atrophying credibility"? is that straining the word "credibility" itself (lol)

Ohhhh... I think I get what yours saying your arguing over whether or not a plane crashed? is that what you're going on about...


OK. let me clarify that for I abosolutely think a plane crashed ... absolutely... I hope that clarifies things for you....

[DeDukshyn]

I never did watch the OP's video so I am "untainted" in that regard.

In the first image here, the fire is coming from behind the fuselage, it appears from the starboard engine. You can also see most people walking away with their overhead luggage. In e second image, the fire appears to have spread quite way across all the fuselage and burned out the entire ceiling / roof of it. (you can also see where the starboard engine was burning. I question how the fire spread how it did, this is not something I would have expected (I expect basic fire retardation of the fuselage), but clearly there is quite a large chunk of time between these two images.

[sigma6]

Have you had some time to think of what 'might' have been motivation for this supposed 'false flag'. If so, I'd like to know. Motivation, in my often times limited view, perhaps even now, would reveal a good deal of why this could have been a 'false flag' event.

- yes I have had some time, and the answer maybe surprising, but in a word... MONEY

am and have been a licensed pilot for 30+ years ( I say 'licensed' because I guess anyone can fly an airplane these days judging by what the media would have most sheep believe regarding 911 ). If indeed a 777 as described/reported did actually crash upon landing at SFO, and from what I know from the information I've gathered ( sure, it could all be 'fake' ) and my own personal aviation experience ( could also have been an 'illusion' ) there is a term known by ( probably ) all ( licensed ) pilots ( most likely even the one piloting the 777 in question ) that says, "Low and slow -- look out below!"

Ok before you go any further, Let me clarify for you... when someone says something is hoaxed it just means (imo) that the information being presented is not being accurately presented, how much is truth and how much is fiction is the point of the exercise. So for your benefit and everyone elses on this thread (since this is feeling like a rather distracting theme) NO ONE said or has argued that A plane didn't crash... The question is what was the real story... I mean come on folks how many times do you got to be slapped in the head before you realize it hurts... !!??

And if you're a pilot, do you really, honestly and truly believe that a 777 cartwheeled down a runway tooting out black smoke? before it came to a landing in the SAME direction, upside right, with the roof intact (only to explode and blow off after everyone departed, depending on which interpretation you want to "believe"? With all due respect I don't think you need to by a pilot to say that is impossible...

That is like the September Clues expose where they can clearly show the nose of the airplane passed through the building and showed up on the other side completely intact... That's the issue I mean go back and re-run that a few times, whoever was taking the picture had the lousiest possible angle. So I guess in that regard someone has learned a few lessons from 911... but not by much...

[sigma6]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
but clearly there is quite a large chunk of time between these two images.

that's an understatement and you missed a whole slew of other striking differences... those people don't look like they just got out of a 777 that cartwheeled upside (and then flip back upright again... of course...) the grass is missing (probably died out) the pathway along side the plane is gone (probably just maintenance) and an upjutting piece of the wing where the engine was on the closest wing is missing (maybe taken for forensics.... yeah!) Point is they are two different scenes could even be two different planes, and if I'm not mistaken, that doesn't even look like the number 214!!! (huh?)

in other words, I'd have to agree, but that would be an understatement... and that was just looking at the two pictures that YOU presented for about 2 minutes...

[indigopete]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
far, far from it, calling it out as hoaxy is perfectly in line with the incredible lack of factual data about the incident as a whole... the "atrophying credibility"? is that straining the word "credibility" itself (lol)

"incredible lack of factual data about the incident as a whole"

??? Please elucidate. As someone who has followed aviation incidents for about 30 years I can't think of a time when such an abundance of "factual data" was at the fingertips of any desktop Columbo who cared to avail themselves of it.

In addition to that, there are several hundred experienced airline pilots - many of whom have years of flying visual approaches onto that exact runway in that exact aircraft type - discussing this incident right now. Why don't you have a look and see what thing's they're questioning before you decide what's normal and what isn't in an event like this...http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...francisco.html

[sigma6]

Posted by sirdipswitch (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would go to such trouble to hoax such a pointless thing. Only thing I can think of is they could be practicing for a more significant hoax.

And what else was happening that day, that this pulled our attention away from... just a thought.

Ok this is getting closer to the punch, sirdipswitch, I was thinking about that in general, but I don't think that ties in, and it is too big a job to pull for simple "distraction" Now I also thought about Maunagarjana's idea, and that has potential, certainly can't discount it, but again it wouldn't make sense just to do a survey? Think bigger, what's the main event here. ( a plane crashing...) What is the deal with 777's? Well, lets see their new, their really big and expensive, and what else... There's a lot of controversy going on .... right now... about what? not sure but there maybe design flaw issues. Now this is just an exercise to show you, maybe it triggers another thought process in someone else... But what do all these major disasters is one thing these two disasters have in common... 911 and the Titanic? (if of course you believe in conspiracies (ie. that people lie sometimes and 'orchestrate' things, as shocking as that is to believe... ))

In fact I will hold off and give others a chance, consider it a parlour game, what is the common denominator, and then how could that fit a "Asiana" 777.. And you know what, using the law of misdirection. Assuming they are putting so much "emphasis" on Asians and their "driving skills" and "Pilot ERROR" if you flip this around what could it really possibly point to??? Who wants to give it a go... ?

[Fred Ryan]

I work at the trauma hospital in San Francisco where many of the injured were taken. This was not a hoax. The plan did crash. Frankly, this entire thread is just plain silly.

[sigma6]

Posted by indigopete (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
far, far from it, calling it out as hoaxy is perfectly in line with the incredible lack of factual data about the incident as a whole... the "atrophying credibility"? is that straining the word "credibility" itself (lol)

"incredible lack of factual data about the incident as a whole"

??? Please elucidate. As someone who has followed aviation incidents for about 30 years I can't think of a time when such an abundance of "factual data" was at the fingertips of any desktop Columbo who cared to avail themselves of it.

In addition to that, there are several hundred experienced airline pilots - many of whom have years of flying visual approaches onto that exact runway in that exact aircraft type - discussing this incident right now. Why don't you have a look and see what thing's they're questioning before you decide what's normal and what isn't in an event like this...http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...francisco.html

third party conversation theorizing by pilots who are still living "inside the box", who haven't even speculated that we live in a world where everything is an illusion, that they are being controlled like sheeple, stroking each other's ego on technical scenarios, based on what is third party information being force fed into the main stream media, again all who were not immediately present is considered by you factual "factual data" ? I may be no Nancy Drew, but am I missing your point somehow?

is that enough elucidation?

[sigma6]

Posted by Fred Ryan (here)
I work at the trauma hospital in San Francisco where many of the injured were taken. This was not a hoax. The plan did crash. Frankly, this entire thread is just plain silly.

Again, I don't get it with people, can we not pick up the level of sophistication here, building collapsed and people died in 911, (heck one guy even said he found a dead body in a closet??? anyone hear that one?? but not ONE question... yawn...) People got shot and died in Sandyhook including the party that supposedly did it, he shot himself and also felt compelled to shoot his own mother.... This is not evidence that they were not rigged for public consumption... and Fred read the previous posts man! NO ONE is denying the plane crashed... I still think there is more to the story.

[sigma6]

Posted by indigopete (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
That is a major cop out, I don't think anyone who listens to it is going to get the impression that the narrator is making a spoof... time for a reality check. If you are trying to misdirect people away. I would suggest to anyone to WATCH THE VIDEO for yourself and ask yourself if this guy sounds like he is trying to "spoof" us...

There is, however, good reason to suspect that people will make dramatic disinfo videos like the one above discredit all the genuine ones that get made about "real" false flag events. There are also people who are kind of fanatical about this type of thing who basically can't believe anything they see on the news and go straight to the other extreme of creating "false news", rumour and disinfo themselves.

That video falls into one of the two above cases IMO.

I removed most of the top and will give you a response, since most of it was in agreement the four bullets, I have explained and still find it odd that others think the point of this thread is to say whether a plane crashed or not, if it was real or a "hoax" there would still have to be something crashing... I really hope this is clear. Move on to the next level (lol) But that last paragraph... really caught my attention, I mean that is a great play of ideas, a nice sucker punch at the end, the "dramatic disinfo videos to discredit all the genuine ones... " not even sure if I want to touch that one... but I will say this...

The photos.... THE PHOTOs and that cheesy video taken from a mile away with the black smoke and spinning 777 effect, are what is making people ask questions. And granted they might not treat Asians the same as other Citizens but I don't recall the last time anyone would insist that people calmly file out, and insist that they bring their luggage with them after having been in a 777 doing backflips, cartwheels, and then spinning around and landing back on it's belly. With only one Children's ambulance (doing nothing) and another emergency vehicle with two chicks looking like bored extras on a movie set... (ie. doing nothing but looking at their shoes...)

Doesn't the claim that the "asians" would take their luggage instead of their own children and "only the "brave american police officer" had to go back in and collect their cell phones???.. Doesn't that sound like counter propaganda to ANYONE???? Is it possible they got hundreds of responses from people and realized they had to make a cover story for to gloss over why people were just meandering along as if on another boring flight with some casually looking like they were making their "pick up" calls... Who put out that story??? How could the get it so wrong? Where is the "brave american cop" who had to go "rescue" people's cell phones???? WTH....

Maybe it is a test, maybe it is a test to see just exactly how much they have to spend to do something like this while dumping a 777, while focusing the plublic's attention on Asian's that don't know how to fly airplanes, while they are collecting millions in insurance money. Consider it a cost/benefit analysis. The US airline is aging, expect to see more crashes in the future.

Now the question is. Would rich elite billionaires honestly do something like that? And the answer is.... ONLY if they can get away with it...

So yeah, that was my line of reasoning, why spend 20 billion tearing down a building with health and safety issues when you can collect 5 billion by just blowing it up in everyone's face? (suck up that asbestos NY and like it!... yes Mr Weinstein...) Not to mention a whole slew of side benefits for the Banksters, (stolen gold) FBI/CIA (missing records) Military (false flag) the elite (pumped more fear into the public) etc etc etc .... We may not have that much imagination... but not to worry ... I am sure someone else will look after that for you too....

[Tesseract]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

In the first image here, the fire is coming from behind the fuselage, it appears from the starboard engine. You can also see most people walking away with their overhead luggage. In e second image, the fire appears to have spread quite way across all the fuselage and burned out the entire ceiling / roof of it. (you can also see where the starboard engine was burning. I question how the fire spread how it did, this is not something I would have expected (I expect basic fire retardation of the fuselage), but clearly there is quite a large chunk of time between these two images.

I have been thinking about the fire after seeing the following two videos (via the pprune link):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WczPnDDipKw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DDR6DO3WnZ8

Initially a fire is burning slowly, or something is just smouldering, somewhere near the mid section of the plane. Note that the back of the plane (the cross section) is a hole because the tail broke off. Any fire, once a moderate size, that starts in the middle of the plane will burn with ferocity due to a convectively drawn inflow of air from that hole in the back. Once there is a hole in the top of the fuselage the effect will intensify. The plane is basically a large bunsen burner at that point. I think the video illustrates this fairly well. It's going to be hard to extinguish because the fuselage protects the fire from the jets of water being sprayed.

Another note: an oxygen bottle could have been damaged in the crash, perhaps assisting any fire that was present. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_30.

Regarding 777s

What are the three sources of oxygen on the 777? Two independent oxygen systems are provided, one for the flight crew and one for the passengers. Portable oxygen cylinders are located throughout the airplane for emergency use.

Some question though over how much oxygen is stored on a 777 and how much is generated on demand.

http://quizlet.com/11368500/boeing-7...l-flash-cards/

[indigopete]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
third party conversation theorizing by pilots who are still living "inside the box", who haven't even speculated that we live in a world where everything is an illusion, that they are being controlled like sheeple, stroking each other's ego on technical scenarios, based on what is third party information being force fed into the main stream media

Please stop this.

You're turning what was once a metaphorical (and in some limited cases literal) observation by people like David Icke into an tribalistic religion and arrogant trashing of entire categories of people you know nothing about.

If the idea that this was a genuine accident requires such a stretch of the imagination then I hate to think what size of "box" your living in.

One thing's for sure, watching half-baked conspiracy videos on Youtube isn't going to make it any bigger.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Fred Ryan (here)
I work at the trauma hospital in San Francisco where many of the injured were taken. This was not a hoax. The plan did crash. Frankly, this entire thread is just plain silly.

Thanks.

What the thread might be demonstrating is that what is reported on the news for this accident, both words and images, is unreliable and inconsistent.

[Fred Ryan]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Fred Ryan (here)
I work at the trauma hospital in San Francisco where many of the injured were taken. This was not a hoax. The plan did crash. Frankly, this entire thread is just plain silly.

Again, I don't get it with people, can we not pick up the level of sophistication here, building collapsed and people died in 911, (heck one guy even said he found a dead body in a closet??? anyone hear that one?? but not ONE question... yawn...) People got shot and died in Sandyhook including the party that supposedly did it, he shot himself and also felt compelled to shoot his own mother.... This is not evidence that they were not rigged for public consumption... and Fred read the previous posts man! NO ONE is denying the plane crashed... I still think there is more to the story.

I agree with you, "Can we not pick up the level of sophistication?". Accidents happen, planes crash and not everything's a conspiracy. Oh ya, maybe your all right. It was probably a ritual sacrafice to honor Saturday's start of the yearly Bohemian Grove meeting.

[sigma6]

Posted by indigopete (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)
third party conversation theorizing by pilots who are still living "inside the box", who haven't even speculated that we live in a world where everything is an illusion, that they are being controlled like sheeple, stroking each other's ego on technical scenarios, based on what is third party information being force fed into the main stream media

Please stop this.
You're turning what was once a metaphorical (and in some limited cases literal) observation by people like David Icke into an tribalistic religion and arrogant trashing of entire categories of people you know nothing about.
If the idea that this was a genuine accident requires such a stretch of the imagination then I hate to think what size of "box" your living in.
One thing's for sure, watching half-baked conspiracy videos on Youtube isn't going to make it any bigger.

Now you are getting really bizarre, it may have been an accident it might not have been, I don't know and obviously you don't either, that you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel and knock youtube and it's "half baked" conspiracy videos and reference "triabalistic religion"??? almost hurts (its so cheesy and melodramatic, but then I am not the master of metaphors)

Those videos are reproductions of Main Stream Media news outlets ... pull your head out man.... you have an issue with someone questioning your definition of "factual data" ??? Didn't think that someone might question third party conjecture based on questionable and ambiguous main stream media and "factual data" as oxymoronic?

So we change the topic to "conspiracy videos on Youtube"... (moo hoo hahaha) right.... and "triabalistic religion" Wow man, you are doing more 180's then that 777 did flying down the runway, and I can almost see the toots of black smoke billowing out as you tumble along... WTH are you doing on this thread? Didn't you read the Topic header?

[sigma6]

I worked in a hospital once Frank, and therefore I don't have to explain to you what a cesspool of politics and gossip it is... And it is no secret they are controlled by government policy and the administration staff of these institutions are, lets say... worse then politicians... your description was vague. And you left out one part, Planes crash, people get hurt and some parties collect untold millions in insurance... hard to say...

What the thread might be demonstrating is that what is reported on the news for this accident, both words and images, is unreliable and inconsistent.

again a huge understatement, I mean really when was the last time you seen the grass just disappear from an acre of visible land, not to mention the concrete path beside the plane... these are eyesores...

And they don't allow people just to walk away from a fatal accidents like that,where by all rights everyone should have been burnt alive and mashed up... NO WAY it's a HUGE INSURANCE LIABILITY... (yeah sorry it's not so much that they care... it's always about the money...

[KiwiElf]

I would say that I think some people on this (ridiculous) thread are suffering massive doses of paranoia (and ought to research a few more airplane crashes from history). Pilot error - plain and simple (and it DID happen). Yes, we're all entitled to an opinion but what is yours based on? RESEARCHED Fact, FEAR or fiction?

[sigma6]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
I would say that I think some people on this (ridiculous) thread are suffering massive doses of paranoia (and ought to research a few more airplane crashes from history). Pilot error - plain and simple (and it DID happen). Yes, we're all entitled to an opinion but what is yours based on? RESEARCHED Fact, FEAR or fiction?

Videos and photos presented to the public from the main stream media that defy logical interpretation... and therefore are demanding questions... I notice all the naysayers all refuse to acknowledge the evidence presented but instead talk about "paranoia" and "conspiracy theories" again what are you folks doing on this thread?... and why no commentary on the available photos. And acknowledgement to those who do, which is largely and naturally without much effort clearly in the AMBIGUOUS to ridiculously impossible category...