Is San Fran Asiana Flight 214 Another MSM Hoax?

[Bill Ryan]

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Video of the plane as it crashed:

http://us.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/asia...ess/index.html

[Sidney]

The interview with the fellow that filmed it was telling. He was genuinely choked up, and I don't think he is lying at all. It must have been pretty surreal to have filmed that.

[sigma6]

I don't think anyone on board that flight was supposed to survive, if they had been say, 25 feet lower or hit the embankment any farther up the plane body it could have tore the plane in half. I don't believe the Korean pilots were "asleep at the wheel" or somehow inferior to any other pilots. I have no doubt the training standards are universally well controlled. I believe that their combined 50,000 hours+ flying time might in fact have averted a major disaster and SAVED the lives of 305 souls on board against a peculiar combination of events that would be tantamount to the “Kobiashi Maru” Test. How do you train and plan for another intelligence taking over your instrumentation?

Something similar happened when IBM played against Kasperov, when he was soundly trouncing the computer. He then said he detected a change like someone else was now playing. It was no longer the same “machine” That was and is a huge under rated scandal… (check it out) Again billions were on the line for IBM… (exactly like what they are for Boeing right now...) and again completely under reported and the machine/equipment was spirited away refusing further analysis by independent third parties. (Kasperov should have at least got a huge kickback for that... had he only known the wider game at hand.)

I find it odd that the MSM is creating a MEDIA VACUUM around the possiblitly that these guys may be heroes and AVERTED a major disaster in the face of insurmountable odds. And no wonder they reacted so fast in the media. Someone immediately jumped into preemptive damage control mode which would explain the bizarre media spin. This also gives away the pre-meditation involved. Hoooowweeee, can you smell that?

It may only have been BECAUSE of their years of training that they picked up on subtle anomalies the instrumentation WASN’T showing. It had to be THEIR OWN SENSE and obviously not the instrumentation that was telling them right at the most critical moments of the entire flight that they were looking at completely misleading information. Given this (Kobiashi Maru Test) they passed with flying colours in my books. Who would be able to survive someone knowingly high jacking your instrumentation under those real life conditions??

Is this possible? Auto piloting and therefore remote control is totally within the cards… If this should get out to the mainstream media, that would be totally devastating to Boeing which is a part of the clearly by now identified CRIMINALLY SYNDICATED GOVERNMENT MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. And I am sure the technology has greatly improved since 911, wouldn’t you agree?

I would be dumping shares of Boeing until they cough up the remote control computer electronics technology, or else other countries will have to develop their own research and reverse engineer it for themselves and that could take years, stalling Boeing sales at a very critical market window (Big OUCH here) Boeing has put themselves in a potentially compromising position. Maybe Iran might be the best source for that research outside of the manufacturers themselves…

In fact I have no doubt that the pilots may very well have figured some of this out by now and are going to be mind controlled and intimidated into blaming themselves by the American authorities, while the Koreans will want to protect them and get a full debriefing of what happened from the PILOT’S POINT of VIEW…

[sigma6]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s_IPh1Gm50k

It was given authorization to be aired, by a by an NTSB official out of Washington....
pretty much consistent again with my reaction earlier without any of this context...
that is a cat out of the bag as far as I am concerned...

[woodshreder]

My close friend is a flight attendant for UAL. She just flew a international flight with a mutual friend of ours who also is a flight attendant for the same airline.He was on flight 885 SFO to Kix which was the flight holding as the asiana flight approached the runway His account of the horrific scene is hard to stomach ,let's just say there were less than whole bodys strewn on the runway after the dust had settled .In fact he said the shockwave actually moved them as the asiana plane past them. Here is a report filed by one of the officers on that UAL Flight holding just a couple hundred feet away from the crash. This was no hoax ,that's a fact

Eyewitness account of OZ 214 by a United 885 pilot

Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 8 15:21:17 2013

Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 2:19 am Subject: FSAP from bunkie on UAL 885

On July 6, 2013 at approximately 1827Z I was the 747-400 relief F/O on flt 885, ID326/06 SFO-KIX. I was a witness to the Asiana Flt 214 accident. We had taxied to hold short of runway 28L at SFO on taxiway F, and were waiting to rectify a HAZMAT cargo issue as well as our final weights before we could run our before takeoff checklist and depart. As we waited on taxiway F heading East, just prior to the perpendicular holding area, all three pilots took notice of the Asiana 777 on short final. I noticed the aircraft looked low on glidepath and had a very high deck angle compared to what seemed "normal". I then noticed at the apparent descent rate and closure to the runway environment the aircraft looked as though it was going to impact the approach lights mounted on piers in the SF Bay. The aircraft made a fairly drastic looking pull up in the last few feet and it appeared and sounded as if they had applied maximum thrust. However the descent path they were on continued and the thrust applied didn't appear to come soon enough to prevent impact. The tail cone and empennage of the 777 impacted the bulkhead seawall and departed the airplane and the main landing gear sheared off instantly. This created a long debris field along the arrival end of 28L, mostly along the right side of 28L. We saw the fuselage, largely intact, slide down the runway and out of view of our cockpit. We heard much confusion and quick instructions from SFO Tower and a few moments later heard an aircraft go around over the runway 28 complex. We realized within a few moments that we were apparently unharmed so I got on the PA and instructed everyone to remain seated and that we were safe.

We all acknowledged if we had been located between Runways 28R and 28L on taxiway F we would have likely suffered damage to the right side aft section of our aircraft from the 777.

Approximately two minutes later I was looking out the left side cockpit windows and noticed movement on the right side of Runway 28L. Two survivors were stumbling but moving abeam the Runway "28L" marking on the North side of the runway. I saw one survivor stand up, walk a few feet, then appear to squat down. The other appeared to be a woman and was walking, then fell off to her side and remained on the ground until rescue personnel arrived. The Captain was on the radio and I told him to tell tower what I had seen, but I ended up taking the microphone instead of relaying through him. I told SFO tower that there appeared to be survivors on the right side of the runway and they needed to send assistance immediately. It seemed to take a very long time for vehicles and assistance to arrive for these victims. The survivors I saw were approximately 1000-1500' away from the fuselage and had apparently been ejected from the fuselage.

We made numerous PAs to the passengers telling them any information we had, which we acknowledged was going to change rapidly, and I left the cockpit to check on the flight attendants and the overall mood of the passengers, as I was the third pilot and not in a control seat. A couple of our flight attendants were shaken up but ALL were doing an outstanding and extremely professional job of handling the passenger's needs and providing calm comfort to them. One of the flight attendants contacted unaccompanied minors' parents to ensure them their children were safe and would be taken care of by our crew. Their demeanor and professionalism during this horrific event was noteworthy. I went to each cabin and spoke to the passengers asking if everyone was OK and if they needed any assistance, and gave them information personally, to include telling them what I saw from the cockpit. I also provided encouragement that we would be OK, we'd tell them everything we learn and to please relax and be patient and expect this is going to be a long wait. The passenger mood was concerned but generally calm. A few individuals were emotional as nearly every passenger on the left side of the aircraft saw the fuselage and debris field going over 100 knots past our aircraft only 300' away. By this point everyone had looked out the windows and could see the smoke plume from the 777. A number of passengers also noticed what I had seen with the survivors out near the end of 28L expressing concern that the rescue effort appeared slow for those individuals that had been separated from the airplane wreckage.

We ultimately had a tug come out and tow us back to the gate, doing a 3 point turn in the hold short area of 28L. We were towed to gate 101 where the passengers deplaned. Captain Jim Abel met us at the aircraft and gave us information he had and asked if we needed any assistance or hotel rooms for the evening. Captain Herlihy and F/O Ishikawa went to hotels and I went to my home an hour away in the East Ba

[sigma6]

This was no hoax ,that's a fact

you may have missed the last few posts, it has been adjusted somewhat, no one was ever denying the whether the plane crashed or not...

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Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Video of the plane as it crashed:
http://us.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/asia...ess/index.html

Thanks Bill, honoured to have your posts, although I am still skeptical (Fred Haze?) Could he be related to Sum Ting Wong?
I couldn't exactly tell just how choked up he was, it was kinda hard to read through his reflective sunglasses. To be honest it sounded prepared. It certainly past the "politically correct" filter, can't argue that.

Is this the "Lone Witness" that the senior official was dismissing straight away?... and if so why? I didn't hear anything this guy say of significance that would require anyone, let alone a senior official to be "dismissive"... Another ambiguity. Is he or isn't he the original "lone witness" referenced in the initial interview with the reporter? (or are there two lone witnesses?) As they never mentioned the lone witness having a video of the event… That was clearly not in the interview...

And btw, the whole issue this brings into focus also not discussed in the media, is that there are next to no casual witnesses! whatsoever It's all corporate controlled "official" witnesses, which can only mean a quantum leap in political maneuvering and with the possibility of totally being controlled by higher ups. Not inconsistent with my original "insurance liability" line of reasoning. This makes me EVEN MORE SKEPTICAL when it comes to this Government and the Controlled MSM... and I personally don't think he is the guy the reporter was making reference to in the initial interview... that interview can't be denied as both reporter and senior official had no issue about there being only "one" witness... So where is he? To be clear. NO WHERE did they say this was the original lone witness that the senior official was dismissing because "he couldn't possibly understand what he was seeing" ??? There is some 'suggestion' but that is left to interpretation.


On another front... Although Benjamin Fulford has not exactly come out saying it, but Japan and Asia seem to be trying to flush out Rockefeller controlled interests in their countries right now. Japan has paid the price, 20,000 of their own citizens and a huge influx of blood money oil purchases (for now...) and for what? wanting to be free of Banker controlled politicians sucking the life out of their economy? Isn't it odd that a country that, at the corporate manufacturing level designed and built a car that can create hydrogen on demand (a big ELITE NO,NO... as that violates the FIRST PRINCIPLE of "CONTROL OF DISTRIBUTION OF..." This vehicle has the potential to save them BILLIONS and TRILLIONS on oil purchases and environmental clean up (Kyoto agreement anyone?) of a natural resource they are completely devoid of (everyone is in debt and needs to pare down expenses right???) So they develop the technology, manufacture and build it at the corporate level. But decide not to introduce it into the market? but instead get wiped out by an artificially created tsunami, and end up buying even more oil, during their time of "crisis" ??? (bizarre)

And now according to Benjamin Fulford, Korea is up to bat. They are heavily controlled by Goldman Sachs/Rothshchilds... And are in danger of some kind of economic crash that would be a devastating blow to the Banksters. I wonder could they be doing it purposely? And if so would this airline incident maybe send a message? (lets face it, we know who the real terrorists are) There is also talk that was first talked about by Fulford that they are also in talks with North Korea. This is historic and will change the economic landscape.


Also I think it will come out that the technology to control these planes is totally in the realm of technological plausibility... And it has to be vastly more improved and sophisticated then it was in 911 back in 2001.

[gripreaper]

Somethings wrong, we're too low, holy F'k, ding-bang-ouch...

[sigma6]

MORE DEFINITIVE PROOF THEY WERE USING PHOTOS OF DIFFERENT PLANES


Damn. I was meaning to count the windows because they do change with different models... This means they created an entire model to recreate the exact same plane as the crash OR they burned the real crashed plane to look as the model... Then again this is just a plane with some Asian people and has nothing to do with real crash, also if the emergency vehicles arrived within 3 minutes to put out any potential fires, where are they??

Everyone who pointed out the discrepancies and unusual "lax" nature of the passengers, give yourself a pat on the back for being so observant. Because you were RIGHT. So the question remains why fake photos, and then make up a story about people taking their luggage instead of their kids to cover the discrepancy? Are they supposed to issue an apology and correct the mistake?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bJY0YVrsm84

[Bill Ryan]

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Please! I have a great respect for all your Avalon contributions (really). But you have to do your fieldwork.

Your windows anomaly question was a good one. It had me scratching my head for a moment, and then I did some searching.

I found this video of the exact same plane a little less than a year ago:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-LkG_QBxBkU

Crank it up to full 1080 definition and watch carefully.

Here are two screenshots:






It was a good question, but it took me less than five minutes to answer it.

Would you please drop this silly subject? In a world where there are many genuine conspiracy realities, this was just a tragic accident -- honestly.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by sigma6 (here)
Damn. I was meaning to count the windows because they do change with different models...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bJY0YVrsm84

The window count was a good catch. Being a notorious counter of things in general, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not noticing this. Who knows what really happened here, but "journalists" actually asking simple questions about something like that, or say that flash of light the one pilot reported, would be a great start in finding out.

Of course das ist verboten, leaving people like us to question amongst ourselves. Is it any mystery where/why wild speculation originates?

"The Big Mind F**k" runs vast and wide, and that's why I only latch on to these things for a certain period of time before releasing them. It's a matter of keeping one's sanity, and besides, there are bigger fish to fry in the long run. Much bigger...

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Please! I have a great respect for all your Avalon contributions (really). But you have to do your fieldwork.

Your windows anomaly question was a good one. It had me scratching my head for a moment, and then I did some searching.

Well dayum Bill, seeing your examples left me scratching my head too for about 5 minutes, and right after I had posted. (LOL) I had added an edit to my post thanking you for clearing this matter up, but then decided last second to go do my own field work as you suggested.

What I quickly found muddied things up again. While you clearly displayed 4 windows on the front port side of the plane from a year ago, with one neatly covered up, it still doesn't explain why these following 2 shots show the plane at the crash site with 4 and 5 windows respectively.

Am I missing something here?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Am I missing something here?

Yes: the window in question was clearly there, but from the inside was sealed by something that opened it right up in a fire that was intense enough to burn right through the metal of the roof.

It could have been an aluminum, plastic or fabric cover. It was thinner than the airframe, as you can see, and whatever it was, the fire destroyed it -- leaving the "open" window for all to see.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Am I missing something here?

Yes: the window in question was clearly there, but from the inside was sealed by something that opened it right up in a fire that was intense enough to burn right through the metal of the roof.

It could have been an aluminum, plastic or fabric cover. It was thinner than the airframe, as you can see, and whatever it was, the fire destroyed it -- leaving the "open" window for all to see.

By looking at the picture the window wasn't sealed from the inside because I cannot see any pane that I can see in all the other windows.

Take a closer look ..



That said, aluminum melts and burns at a low temp - if there was a punch-out in the hull there, and then an aluminum cover tacked into place, it could well be that that part broke off during the burning, or was weakened, and got pushed in via firefighting foam etc. as Bill said.

All possible, so I have yet to see any hard evidence that the photos / video was faked in any way ... but its still good to explore

[sigma6]

I will respectfully bow out... many interesting points, and grateful for all contributions related to the specific topic matter. Can't say that I am completely without questions... I guess the important thing is to be grateful that 305 of 307 people survived and were able to walk away from a plane missing its entire tail section and doing a 180 spin while rearing up and almost balancing on one wing... That must have been quite an amazing experience. And they still managed to file out with hardly any assistance, and further still be able to take their luggage before the plane incinerated its roof top... incredible good luck really, if you think about it, and if that was the case. And I still think those Pilots are to be commended, whatever happened in those last 5 minutes...


update: I'd also like to believe we are all wiser for the all the different insights brought forward. We live in a world of perception and individual experience. These threads give us some indication how wide and variable that can be at times. And yet paradoxically we are all one, spiritually and in the quantum sense. That is one koan I can honestly say I have yet to crack experientially, except by faith (and minor fleeting 'accentuated' experiences)

"11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
Could we be misinterpreting this meaning by literalizing it?
Note, it doesn't say things that don't exist, but not seen.


'life pondering' music from Lynyrd Skynyrd
('cause' I like the way he spells his name)

Simple Man

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sMmTkKz60W8

btw, he misquotes Schopenhauer:

"Money is human happiness in the abstract; he, then, who is no longer capable of enjoying human happiness in the concrete devotes himself utterly to money."

[ParakeetMGP]

I don't think this Accident was a Fake. What I question is during the flight across the Pacific Ocean and the Effects of H.A.A.R.P. on the Brains and Mental Alertness to the Pilots by the time they where trying to make the Approach with that of Landing the Airliner. Weather Control and Mind Control in the Atmosphere is what is going on in my mind could dense the Alerted Mindset of the Pilots (?) And the News Reporting is never consistent. It be the News trying to distort how this happen, but the Accident to me is real. (Meantime my computer can not play youtube VIDEOS. I can't watch them.)

[Flash]

To close this discussion:

Years ago, the most unreliable companies in the air were Korean. Nobody could see why they were having so many accidents, it was not the cleaning and taking care of the airplane (garage), it was not the instruments, it was not.... the list was long. The only thing left was the pilots, but they were all very well trained and experienced on average.

So the Korean behavior scientists looked at the pilots behavior in the cockpit closely. They discovered that, in the Korean culture, you cannot contradict a superior, you have to take for granted what he tells you otherwise there is consequences. Except that in the air, the copilot jobs was precisely to contradict his superior if necessary and at the minimum give his opinion.

They realized that most of the accidents, many deadly with commercial airplanes, were due to communication problems in the cockpits based to the cultural biases between superiors (flight captain) and subordinates (co pilots and engineer or stewardesses).

So Korean Airline decided to train all its personnel to brake their cultural communication behavior when in an airplane. The accidents rate reduced substantially afterward.

I bet anything that they have relax the communication training lately in order to cut costs or because someone deciding, and not being contradicted, did not know the story of Korean airliners.

A trainer in the plane, with a captain, who is the superior? Will the captain listen to someone below him in the hierarchy? You see...

Human error all along.

If you look at papers from the early nineties, you will find what I wrote, but I do not have direct quotation. This was utterly interesting to me because of my work at the time. That is why I remember.