Aliens, UFOs and free will

[Arak]

In this thread I assume that we have a consensus that UFOs and aliens are visiting and effecting Earth at the very moment.

And the thing that wonders me, is that why they allow Cabal to enslave humans? As clearly zetas and reptilians - among others - do have some kind of connections to the ruling elite, I find it odd, that "the good guys" remain silent and hidden. It's not free will if people dont know the facts.

And dont get me wrong, I personally trust that andromedans, nordics and other good aliens are our friends, it's just that I dont really understand their logic.

[Hazel]

'Logic' / 'common sense' .... all irrational up against the paradigm above

hold within preference:
uncommon sense is a value unvalidated...

[BrianEn]

The truth is most likely far more stranger than my mind could fathom. I've read lots of opinion on the matter. Many theories and such. I may have even heard the truth but it being really bizzare that I rejected it off hand. They say the enslaving is part of the deal for advanced alien tech. I can see them agreeing to that as long as they kept the cabals part secret and not take their families. There's so many angles to look at this from it's hard to pick a starting point. That's a good reason for the amount of disinformation that gets released for the guy like me who doesn't research very well would get tripped up easily. The hard core researcher that people listen to is qa little more difficult to deal with.

[Arak]

Yes, I know that it is most likely impossible to understand alien mind with human brain. Even if our souls would have been alien itself in some time in past. And yeah, it is easy to understand how negative / evil aliens work with Cabal, but the good guys. Why they dont come out like stories tell they have done before (for example Bible is full of alien encounters).

[william r sanford72]

i think the real work and real encounters..are with the common folk.free will.. the greatest gift and curse given to humans.i think the bible and koran etc has some base truths but like the fisherman whose fish getts bigger and bigger after each telling..the real message and truth gets lost along the way and maybe on purpose.nice thread.

[Kryztian]

Two short answers to a complex question:

(1) Aliens, (zetas, reptoids, etc.) don't just permit the cabal to exist, they have masterminded it. It helps keep the social order they want in place, it helps to keep us distracted from the real goings on of the world.

(2) The cabal, by providing war, inequity, injustice and other forms of suffering, is providing the adversity in human existence that is forcing us to grow and for our DNA to develop. This adversity is also preparing us for the day when we start to do commerce with our galactic neighbors.

[Another1]

Well, just in case they are reading this thread, we could list our suggestions for them. Can't hurt.

What can they do?

It's not free will if people dont know the facts.

Am with you 100% on that
I think information is trying to come through but gets buried real quick under tons of 'debunking' and deliberate dis-info.
I believe they are working with regular folk all over the planet, sparking and seeding info as possible and perhaps crossing their fingers that it helps. Having all of these powerful, well funded and quite vocal experts defining reality for us though keeps things challenging for any help to get through.

[Arak]

Good idea Another1. Propably they - both good and evil aliens - do follow this site. Atleast I would if I would be one.

1. Good guys, come out big time. Switch off the cloaking devices, show your ships, broadcast disclosure - you must have tools to do that. Some people sure will freak out, but hey, by staying hidden you allow wars and oppression to continue and I am sure, that casulties (and pain) are much more than disclosure could ever have.
2. We are smart animals, but not very wise. I'm afreid that we destroy our nature if you dont come and stop us. Please help us. I know you have helped us before, why not again?
3. You folks could learn a lot from us - just by asking. Face to face, man to man. I am ready, have always been. And I know that many others are as well.

[waves]

Posted by BrianEn (here)
The truth is most likely far more stranger than my mind could fathom......

Thank you OP for highlighting this issue.

I think the question of free will or not is the super fundamental bottom line question on the table. Period.

For a long time I bought the eternal soul/oversoul theory, that at some level I’m choosing all the experiences my various bodies/existences are having. For a long time I thought that the basis of this universe was that free will COULD NOT BE VIOLATED - that clearly understood disclosure and agreement at some level was REQUIRED of any interaction, and this was a big soul school.

I’m no longer so sure.

I now suspect the issue is not so simple, and as BrianEn implied, that the truth is stranger and bigger than my mind can comprehend through this body.

So how far can I correctly imagine now? And what the hell progress can I really possibly make for any good and/or escape for my soul’s future?

I don’t know. I can only pick the hope that I really have a soul at all. The benefits of making positive choices based on that assumption this lifetime at least makes ‘spending’ this life tolerable.

If I do have a soul, what concerns me the most is that I suspect something has been going on for trillions of years... or more.... and trillions of years of my existences have been caught in some energy eating trap serving some dark side.

To me, the ugly is so <no sufficiently extreme expletive exists> ugly, the hint of trillions of years of vicious ugly wars in our universe appears to be true, I’m am very, very concerned that this universe is ruled by a negative force, not the positive ‘god’ or even a source ‘love based energy’ being alluded to or hoped for.

This brings up the questions of soul and free will. There have been many hints that human beings are manufactured products that can be made with or without souls. This would mean some other beings have the ability to ‘store/imprison’ souls/food sources (against free will), install them in bodies and control them. Then, the soul can be re-captured at death and this food source be re-installed in a new vehicle over and over and over.

Simply, my current suspicions are that the game is figuring out how to escape this universe at death, not just the local 3D trap, or not to just some other dimension of this universe.

[Jake]

Yes, the fundamental question!

"the good guys" remain silent and hidden.

We are the good guys!

As humans, we have accepted and embraced the concept of free will (Mostly). I suspect that throughout the multi-verse, that there are plenty of groups that have also embraced free will. I also know that there are groups that have not embraced free will, not in any way whatsoever. I also suspect that there are plenty of groups (like humans) that have a mix of both ideals.

If any free will groups come here to 'rescue' us, then they are violating free will, no? If they 'rescue' us, then they will have to babysit us!! What I mean by that is if we do not accept the burden, and face the challenges that are in front of us, (and have to be 'rescued') then we will not advance to a place where we can ever be sovereign, ever again! We will be dependent on the group(s) that 'rescued' us, and the concept of free will, changes forever.

I believe that WE are the cavalry, the good guys, the rescuers, the sovereign beings that will lift us out of the fog. The 'good guys' are there, they are right there!!! It is more likely that they will reach out to individuals, on a 'case by case' basis, as our little lights flicker ON!

It is not very comforting knowing that the multi-verse is so convoluted! All we can do is align ourselves with truth, freedom, trust, love,, etc,, because after 'the fall',,, we do not want to become another 'bewildered herd'.

Thank you Arak, for bringing this up. How we embrace free will, will be what guides us into the future. (just a humble opinion.)

Also, do not discount the 'incarnational' element to a physical existence. When I say that we ARE the good guys, I mean it!!

Jake.

[mojo]

I find it odd, that "the good guys" remain silent and hidden. It's not free will if people dont know the facts.

It's a good thought to ponder. They could if they wanted to. And here's another one to consider. They prefer stealth and mimicry to blend in, yet provide some amazing displays. It''s somewhat ironic and to be touched by them in their energy phase and witnessed them in more solid form yet did not initiate further contact. And reading thought and not answering some questions, but responding to other questions. After five years... still don't know much.

[Arak]

Wow, I am quite impressed by the last few posts to this thread. Both gave me some very good aspects to free will which I now need to think more deeply (and maybe consult my Higher Self).

[Peace&Love]

Posted by Jake (here)

If any free will groups come here to 'rescue' us, then they are violating free will, no? If they 'rescue' us, then they will have to babysit us!! What I mean by that is if we do not accept the burden, and face the challenges that are in front of us, (and have to be 'rescued') then we will not advance to a place where we can ever be sovereign, ever again! We will be dependent on the group(s) that 'rescued' us, and the concept of free will, changes forever.


Jake.

Dear Jake thank you for the interesting response! I was also thinking about the concept of free will and if it is really broken once aid is being given from the outside.
I believe that free will is not affected due to the aid, on the contrary take for example international rescue teams sent to earth quake zone saving civilians from the catastrophic event. Is that causing any free will disturbances? Do they stay and interfere with internal affairs and other stuff? No. They get in do the job and that is all. Nothing more nothing less. If we are under forces which control us, then we are asking to receive tools to at least balance the playing field, otherwise its lost game from the beginning. We need to learn more about our inherent human abilities to open all our blockades and to reach our potential so we can have a fair game here.

[humbleone]

First Week of August 2005, I am an Alien Contactee

Before the events that I am going to describe to you, I did not believe extra terrestrial beings were here on Earth. I was a 26-year-old American male. I am of sound mind, hold advanced academic degrees and consider myself a deeply compassionate person, intelligent and skeptical. The following events and phenomena I am going to explain would have been hard for me to accept as truth, if they had not happened to me and I will appreciate your skepticism. However, keep an open mind.

One night in early August of 2005, I was in the backyard of my parent’s house. I was living with my folks in Ohio while doing an internship for graduate school at the Ohio State University. My parent’s were asleep. It was late. While outside, I looked up into the night sky and saw a type of plane that I haven’t ever seen before. It was odd but I didn’t think too much of it. Lots of planes had been flying around during that time, many with that circular radar equipment that spins around on top but that is just Ohio. I looked up, gave the plane a quick stare and thought “huh, that’s weird.” I looked away, and went inside. It was no stereotypical flying saucer.

After I saw the strange plane over the house around 11:30 pm or so, I was visited by two beings. I believe the craft I saw above the house belonged to them.

These beings came to my parent’s home late at night, between 2 am and 4 am, hours after I saw the strange plane in the sky while in the backyard. Shortly before my encounter, I was fully wake as I had been all night in my bedroom. I was compelled to leave my bedroom. I walked into our living room and sat down sort of Indian style on the couch facing the stairs to the basement. I completed all this moving around without thinking, it just happened but was not forced. After I sat down on the couch, my right hand went out to my side facing up. The stairs to my parent’s basement were directly in front of me. It was completely silent. These two beings slowly came up the stairs from the basement. I was totally calm. I didn’t feel like I was paralyzed but I had no desire to move. It was a deeply peaceful and harmonious feeling.

One being was about 2 ½ feet tall, a cell with speckled points of lights in its body. The whole being glowed in the dark and was about a foot wide. This being had the visual qualities of a single cell organism as best as I can describe. The other being was about 2 feet tall, shorter than the single cell appearing being but was wider than the single cell appearing being with large tubular structures off its head sort of like hair. The head structures were large and wide at the top of its head and progressively thinner down the length of the structures. This being was about 1 1/4 or 1 ½ feet wide and as opposed to its partner, had the vague features of a face. It glowed in the dark too and it may have been greenish colored. This being was intimidating but I was not afraid at all when all this happened. He, and please don’t let this make you fearful and/or full of negativity, looked like the character from that popular movie, the Predator. They both looked like they were in this dimension and another, or more, at the same time. I could see through them.

The single cell appearing being stood on to my right about 10-12 feet in front of me, and began emitting a red/orange light from the upper middle part of its body. I felt my chest get warm and I puffed it out some where the light from this being connected with the part of my body where my heart is located. The other being with tubular hair, patiently waited on the left of the single cell appearing being while this happened. After this light energy exchange, they both left.

In the moments after this encounter, it was hard to wrap my head around what just happened to me. I made a dazed walk to the fridge to get something, and then I went to bed. Imagine yourself in the same situation; it was hard to believe. I was naturally stunned and a bit confused but I knew that this was the real deal.

The next night they came to me in visions. I was in my bedroom again. Both beings were not physically present as they were the night before. They communicated with symbols. I was shown part of the wall in my room became moving digits/symbols like the revealing of the digital reality in that Matrix movie. But the images were red not green, the color of blood, symbolizing that this world is part of a larger reality and we are bound in our bodies by blood. They were telling me about our omni-dimensional existence.

I was also shown a bluish-white tunnel vision. It looked like a wormhole that I was moving through or it was moving around me from my perspective. I believe it symbolized the way to Heaven.

However most importantly, I was also shown a Christian Cross and a Buddha Head, both symbols were in the air above my bed about seven feet from me. These are the two religions that I have had the most exposure to in my life. I did not consider myself religious before this happened. I considered myself a spiritual person and I have spent time in my young adult life helping people out of my own nature and nurturing, but I did not practice Buddhism or Christianity. I just liked helping people.

I have since found out that the area of my chest that got warm when the single cell appearing being inspected me is where in some beliefs, my 4th Chakra is located. This Chakra is related to a person’s love, compassion, forgiveness, hope and integration of opposites like ego and selflessness from what I understand. When presented with these visions I said, “I need to think about that,” meaning the decision between choosing Buddhism and Christianity. I eventually went to sleep after this, the second night of these experiences.

Since this time I have had more encounters than I can think of, it is a constant in my life. It’s been a socialization process living in this world and in these other planes of existence where these beings most people cannot see, live. I am now aware of being inter-dimension-ally connected. I have kept a journal throughout this process. I have been visited by human sounding consciousness as well as other forms of life too. It is clear to me that we are living in what I have described as “layers of life.” Globally, people who have had the same multidimensional connections have interpreted it differently but I strongly believe that there is a fundamental structure to this that all interpretations of it are build off of.

At times, it’s been difficult but these two beings had enough confidence in me to know that I was ready for this, even if I didn’t understand or agree at times. I do not believe they mean us any harm, but are here to help us grow up spiritually. They gave me a crash course. I love them both and cannot even grasp what an honor it was to meet them. Over 8 years, on and off, I studied both Buddhism and some Christianity. While I am schooled in both, we chose Christianity as my religion.

My Blog (went public recently)
http://aspiritualstatement.blogspot.com/

[Arak]

Wow, 3generations that was a great story.

I know this question can be irritating, but it need's to be asked: during your 1st encounter were you under influence of any drugs, medicines or alcohol?

If you were, that is totally ok for me. I actually believe that psychoactive drugs like ayahuasca, DMT, mescalin, psilosybin and such can be a short-cut to deeper understanding of Universe. I personally have not tried- nor am willing to try - those substances, but in proper hands I think they are ok.

[Bubu]

if the neighbor next door use to quarrel, what would I do?

I will let them iron their difference make suggestions perhaps, but no more than that. but if they start killing each other I might bring my gun and fire warning shots or maybe shoot the aggressor on the leg just so to stop the fatal drama.

Freewill?

We are automata entirely controlled by the forces of the medium being tossed about like corks on the
surface of the water, but mistaking the resultant of the impulses from the outside for free will...
A very sensitive and observant being, with his highly developed mechanism all intact, and acting with precision in
obedience to the changing conditions of the environment, is endowed with a transcending mechanical
sense, enabling him to evade perils too subtle to be directly perceived. - Tesla, 1919

[humbleone]

No, I was sober.

[Jake]

3generations. Wow! what an amazing first post. Thank you and WELCOME TO AVALON!!! I look forward to hearing more of your story.

Thank you for sharing.

Jake.

[ghostrider]

ET wont get involved, because it's up to us to fix our world not them... that's the whole lesson, take responsibility for your world, they let freewill play out and creations plan unfold naturally ...as long as we are contained to our solar system we can make all the messes we want, as soon as we leap into cosmic space , we fall under the plejaren federation of planets and their rules ... this is their portion of the universe ...

[Another1]

In the mid-80s ET was presented as our family from the stars. Happy to see us. We had finally grown enough to greet without harm. They offered information of our origins and potential and hidden abilities.

This was no more or less intervention than a long lost cousin coming to visit who happens to be a real geek and knows a bunch of stuff about your computer. He teaches you all kinds of tricks you didn't know about and shows you tools in there you didn't know existed.

Like in that song, '... Oz never gave anything to the Tinman that he didn't already have ...'

This approach resonated with hearts far and wide at the time.

What changed?