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    As I mentioned in Bill's thread many of these operatives sit in front of a powerful server class machine with 6-10 monitors with access to many "Virtual Machines" (A virtual computer) each with the ability to show them in what ever time zone (Or current/past time), spoof any IP or MAC Address Scheme they would like (Make it look like they logged in from your computer at work, no matter how secure your network is)... and do what they will.
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    Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

    So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

    So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

    Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...
    It only takes one person in a blackened room with 100 people in it to light a candle and then everyone can see enough to find their own candles and light them, while no amount of darkness can drown out the light. Look up at the sky at night.... how much of it is black, and yet those tiny points of light can provide enough light to see, even with a new moon. Those little points of light are actually holes in the fabric of dark matter where the light of God shines through.

    The world has always been changed by relatively very small groups, and we know how powerful human consciousness is, especially group consciousness. If it were that insignificant, why do the PTW expend so many vast resources of energy on mind control, dumbing down, chem spraying, controlling the media, education, and everything else?

    And as for those "maybe" couple of thousand people that have "woken up", I think you've fallen for some of that propaganda yourself. You may have missed this post the other day....

    Quote New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07...vs-govt-dupes/

    Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.



    The most recent study was published on July 8th by psychologists Michael J. Wood and Karen M. Douglas of the University of Kent (UK). Entitled “What about Building 7? A social psychological study of online discussion of 9/11 conspiracy theories,” the study compared “conspiracist” (pro-conspiracy theory) and “conventionalist” (anti-conspiracy) comments at news websites.

    The authors were surprised to discover that it is now more conventional to leave so-called conspiracist comments than conventionalist ones: “Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist.” In other words, among people who comment on news articles, those who disbelieve government accounts of such events as 9/11 and the JFK assassination outnumber believers by more than two to one. That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.

    Perhaps because their supposedly mainstream views no longer represent the majority, the anti-conspiracy commenters often displayed anger and hostility: “The research… showed that people who favoured the official account of 9/11 were generally more hostile when trying to persuade their rivals.”

    Additionally, it turned out that the anti-conspiracy people were not only hostile, but fanatically attached to their own conspiracy theories as well. According to them, their own theory of 9/11 - a conspiracy theory holding that 19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan - was indisputably true. The so-called conspiracists, on the other hand, did not pretend to have a theory that completely explained the events of 9/11: “For people who think 9/11 was a government conspiracy, the focus is not on promoting a specific rival theory, but in trying to debunk the official account.”

    In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.

    Additionally, the study found that so-called conspiracists discuss historical context (such as viewing the JFK assassination as a precedent for 9/11) more than anti-conspiracists. It also found that the so-called conspiracists to not like to be called “conspiracists” or “conspiracy theorists.”

    Both of these findings are amplified in the new book Conspiracy Theory in America by political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith, published earlier this year by the University of Texas Press. Professor deHaven-Smith explains why people don’t like being called “conspiracy theorists”: The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination! “The CIA’s campaign to popularize the term ‘conspiracy theory’ and make conspiracy belief a target of ridicule and hostility must be credited, unfortunately, with being one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

    In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.

    DeHaven-Smith also explains why those who doubt official explanations of high crimes are eager to discuss historical context. He points out that a very large number of conspiracy claims have turned out to be true, and that there appear to be strong relationships between many as-yet-unsolved “state crimes against democracy.” An obvious example is the link between the JFK and RFK assassinations, which both paved the way for presidencies that continued the Vietnam War. According to DeHaven-Smith, we should always discuss the “Kennedy assassinations” in the plural, because the two killings appear to have been aspects of the same larger crime.

    Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published in American Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.

    In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

    The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

    “If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”


    But now, thanks to the internet, people who doubt official stories are no longer excluded from public conversation; the CIA’s 44-year-old campaign to stifle debate using the “conspiracy theory” smear is nearly worn-out. In academic studies, as in comments on news articles, pro-conspiracy voices are now more numerous - and more rational - than anti-conspiracy ones.

    No wonder the anti-conspiracy people are sounding more and more like a bunch of hostile, paranoid cranks.
    The power of human consciousness is a terrible thing to waste. You see how important mind control is to them. Don't fall for the disinfo. They use silent weapons for quiet wars. We have silent weapons of our own, and they are much more powerful than theirs because they are based on love and benevolence. We don't need revolutions, we need enough people to wake up, and then watch the power of white magic unfold
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    Hey Christine,

    I hope you're right!. And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

    In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

    I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?

    I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

    Lots of love to you!
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    Chinaski!

    Fuddy duddy you are not! Your points are well taken and they need to be said. It is true that many of us (self included) can get stuck to the keys and forget to do the REAL work. You are a LOVE and doing more than you are aware of. That's the beauty of it!

    Always, always speak your truth! We need to be reminded not to take anything for granted or worst fall, even for a second, into complacency.

    And yes there are some sensitive topics being discussed here and yes we are on the cutting edge filling in the information gap, so we are of interest to those who don't have their own consciousness.

    Lots of love to you!


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    Hey Christine,

    I hope you're right!. And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

    In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

    I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?

    I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

    Lots of love to you!
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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Quote Posted by firstlook (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    (with FAR too many people deliberately held in a state of need by the same Puppet Masters that write the paychecks of the paid agents who "monitor" us.)
    No offense but anyone who pays federal taxes can actually be labeled as an "agent" / "Member" of these groups.
    at the end of the day you are correct.
    If firstlook had said we all have some responsibility (for not uniting and effectively dealing with Empire), that would be one thing, but he has conflated the paying of taxes to being an NSA agent! It is beyond hyperbole, it is incorrect, it is false logic. There is a clear difference between a paid agent and the victims of a shakedown.

    And with that, I'll drop it. Anyone can accept as much onus as they want. Oh, and by the way, you shouldn't have worn that short skirt - you were asking to be raped. It's all your own fault. (that's what I think of these word games)

    Dennis
    Word games.....I guess that's a way to look at it, indeed we should keep things light. A lot of the analogies you are using are.....different.

    im trying to address the illogical point of voicing concern over a group that you willingly give money and obedience. Again I understand force is the cause and with good reason. Yet all we are doing is talking and so I figure we can responsibly reflect our CHOICES in the matter. we have to be responsible for our actions, not by feeling guilty about them, guilt is useless, but addressing the truth of anyones choices is important.

    I would like to talk about this issue more but I don't wish to upset anyone not ready for it. Please accept my apology for any ideas that I was trying to provoke an emotional and forced response.

    Peace
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    I enjoyed reading your post. Id like to offer an explanation further Christines to suppliment our importance.

    Avalon as it stands is probably one of the more popular truther web portals. Popular enough for a divide and conquer in the past and survived. So that in its self means Avalon has been thought of as significant in the alternative media for at ;least 3 to 4 years now in terms of the ones who watch us;.

    Further more the subtle ways they work is to gently sway opinions in a sort of mental processing or grazing format. Its a very powerful tool. And i state again its not important to know who and ill qualify my statement. If we knew who it was then what ? . . . . . . . . . . . . . will we write them a letter ? will we further define an enemy of which we already know exists ? its futile imo. All you need to know is that its happening and you can use it to your advantage.

    Uncovering operatives is asking for serious trouble. they do not want people to know who they are and i would go so far as to say " do not name names " its a big fauxpas in their community and one they could use as a tipper for retaliation,. its a subtle art in being on the edge of safety and not garnishing a retaliation and one i hope we can master the art of. Its not being a coward , on the contrary ,its being smart and being able to continue in what we do furthering the depth of our operation. There are a lot of dead heroes , while still nessesary to have them , its a shame they have left us.

    I must point out the Nina super soldier video series is absolutely essential viewing. One of the most scinsere and intelligent videos i have seen in a while .. the only thing that annoyd me is the interviewres style, while a nice guy its almost like he has been watching Kerrys old interviews .. ugh he was getting on my goat. Other than that what Nina states ( if you can get past her nervous fidgetting ) it gets a huge thumbs up on my antler scale. She is EXaCTLY uncannily a sensitive and thats how i was a few years ago. I managed to balance myself however. She is highly intelligent and obviously contending with being able to multiprocess over 15 trains of thought simultaneously.. and i can see shes getting there , mostly.

    What she states IS imo some of the most important information we could learn , i would go so far as to say i would do a transcript of her better points and a discussion on them.

    Thank you again Chinaski, i hope my further clarification has helped you past your disgruntleedness in nnot understanding the purpose of the thread.


    Naniu

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    Hey Christine,

    I hope you're right!. And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

    In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

    I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?

    I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

    Lots of love to you!

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    Quote Posted by Paula (here)
    Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
    As I mentioned in Bill's thread many of these operatives sit in front of a powerful server class machine with 6-10 monitors with access to many "Virtual Machines" (A virtual computer) each with the ability to show them in what ever time zone (Or current/past time), spoof any IP or MAC Address Scheme they would like (Make it look like they logged in from your computer at work, no matter how secure your network is)... and do what they will.
    Well, GoodeTXSG, I’m still smiling. Twenty minutes ago, I applied double layered masking tape over my new computer camera lens. Gonna leave it. Trick myself into thinking that'll do.

    Note to self: wave and smile to operative sh!tbirds at least once a day.

    frikken OUCH ! i mean seriously OUCH ! oooh i can feel it from here : 0 ) Paula you truly know your knives. Love it !


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    Quote Posted by firstlook (here)
    during my mental health breakdown I was aware of a ISA type tracking on me, or atleast that's what I assume. I think they were counter terrorism. Don't blame them really I was going through some anger but never considered hurting anyone but myself. Whats more interesting is I actually would like to go on a "ride along" if you will. Like how local cops have to let you tag along. I think I could keep up with these guys and girls and put in some work. I judge no "group" only their actions against either dangerous individuals or innocent thinkers. Might sound suspect to this forum to say that but I think you should be allowed to talk to other groups whether you agree with them or not.

    Just some thoughts.
    I do, and I have. usually it's a good conversation. Doesn't (openly) happen often, but it's been quiet and comfortable, so far.
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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

    So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

    So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

    Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...
    I'm with you on this !
    Thank you for this "realistic one"
    We are one !

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    Hi all, I'm new here, but I would imagine so, but one can't keep the truth down, and the world is waking up.

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    very true
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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

    So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

    So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

    Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...
    I'm with you on this !
    Thank you for this "realistic one"

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    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Hey Christine,

    I hope you're right!. And I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Truly! I hate to play fuddy duddy; I wish I felt differently. I really do. Perhaps my own intrinsic pessimism is coloring my opinion. I acknowledge it may be so.

    In a sense, I hope we *are* being infiltrated! Because it would connote significant work being done here. And in my heart of hearts I want to believe we're doing just that! Admittedly, I do get profoundly annoyed when I hear talk of "agents" and so forth, so perhaps I exaggerated my pessimism a bit in deference to that. Its not that I didn't mean what I said - I did - but I also wanted to add a little balance to the thread.

    I just don't want us all to get too comfortable behind our keyboards, and I think an overemphasized sense of importance would do just that. We are for the most part anonymous members of an internet forum, and sitting in front of our lap tops, typing away whilst sipping our coffee in the relative safety of our homes is not something I consider to be a courageous or even particularly noble thing to do. Its too *easy*. Don't get me wrong: i love being a member here, have a ton of fun posting and reading and learning and so on. I've met some brilliant people, and made wonderful friendships, but it concerns me when I feel the place is getting a touch of the megalomania, ya know?

    I'll take your word on the agent/infiltrator business - you've got the inside scoop here that I don't have. and Iook, i like your math much more than I like mine! As I said before: I want to be wrong!

    Lots of love to you!
    i love your voice at this time my friend.

    Post note to AvalonForum: I believe Mike is fabulous moderator material.

    Add note to Mike: I hope you don't mind my forward ness in suggesting this. I love ya guts, as you know. Your head Space combined with your sizzling honesty and heart space is so needed at this time.


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    The man is coming down hard on all truthers and the internet has erupted in a fight to keep the truth from getting out they have gone so far as to try and frame quite a few truthers of late with PDF files embedded with tainted images, it would seem the man is quivering in his boots now. You tube itself has become a crapfest( excuse my language) with people trying to discredit information and going so far as to put up false information so be carefull what you click on, the rule i follow is if i don't know the person i do not click on any files or links. And as i always say read or watch then form your own opinion of things and it usually does not take long to work out if someting is false or not and as for this site being monitered that is a no brainer they will stop at nothing to discredit and gather information then use it to suit their needs.

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    Prodigal Sons proverb about one person lighting a candle was nice. Chinaski seems to be rightly taking notice how many of us actually sit in the dark and know where the candle is, but until we really are obliged to light it, we don't.

    I know here in Avalon there are many people who have DEFINITELY lit theirs, but I admit to sipping away my coffee quite comfortably and waiting - thinking that perhaps all will eventually fall into place without me having to light mine in an active manner?
    I suppose this is the perfect outcome for any operative aiming to influence the alternative community and to do so subtly - anything overt would be an amateur at work..

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    Default Re: Avalon is being monitored by 4 different groups.

    Quote Posted by Chinaski (here)
    Hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but we're just not too terribly important. How many members do we have here? 6000? 6500? And out of those members, how many are active posters, people who post daily? Maybe 100? 150 on a good day? I consider these the die hards, but even they are upstanding, tax paying citizens. There are no revolutionaries in that group.

    So take all the active posters here, and throw in all the active posters from all the various alt sites, and whattya got? 500 or so? Even if it were a 1000, or 2000 it would hardly matter. Even if you added up all our inactive members and guests, along with the members and inactive members and guests on the other alt forums, it *still* wouldn't matter when you put it against the massive number of people who are still "unawake", for lack of a better word. We are still light years away from a critical mass. Simply put: We are not a serious threat to " them". They have our little rebellion pretty well quarantined.

    So, I doubt we are being watched too closely, if at all. Maybe we're being casually monitored - that seems reasonable. And if we are being monitored or infiltrated, this is precisely the type of thread an infiltrator would start. It causes paranoia (as if we don't have enough already here). It is not constructive in any sense. 36 operatives? 4 agencies? And these are intuitive guesses? Sheesh, why not round them off then? They sound awfully specific at 36 and 4. It gives the impression that you truly have inside info, and only adds to the sensationalism.

    Its fun to sit around and envision oneself as a Neo type, someone who might play hero and save the multiverse; sh!t, I do it from time to time! but simple math should discourage anyone here of harboring that illusion for long; and simple math should also discourage any illusions of worldwide importance, as it pertains to the forum being a legitimate threat to the illuminatti, or NWO, or whatever you wanna call it. We're just not; I wish we were. I get no joy in saying it, but somebody has to be the realistic one...
    actually in re reading your post you sound pessemistic. i dont think you understand how influence tactics work.

    realistic ? youve missed the point entirely.

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    Default Re: Avalon is being monitored by 4 different groups.

    Well, here´s my take on it.

    The way I see it, the whole internet structure is monitored. PA isn´t somewhere special that needs special attention.

    These folks are interested in performing behaviorist studies, not on the information itself, and, honestly, I must say that at least 95% of information that flows around here is mostly composed of unfounded rumors and old recycled internet garbage.

    These people, the elite, have achieved their current status simply because they know and understand human behavior. With the advances of the internet, now they can perform their studies instantaneously, gathering reactive information for each action they take.

    In other words, the internet is perfect for performing group studies. There are dedicated internet groups and forums for every possible mindset and social group.

    It happens that PA is a very good case study for conspiracy minded people, so they´ll obviously analyze whatever happens here, which doesn´t mean they are actually interested in the information which circles around here.

    All they want to know is how this specific group of people (among many other groups) react to certain events, so they can plan effectively.

    I´m sure they have people out there to test and analyze all sorts of groups, including "conspiracy nuts".

    Raf.

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    Default Re: Avalon is being monitored by 4 different groups.

    alternative media, enquirer and many other way out rags/mags have always wanted a test group knowledgeable on almost every subject to drop headline stories on to watch reaction from a crowd.

    they most likely aren't happy with us because their best headline news gets cut diced and shredded in minutes here at PA

    now do I really care about groups with evil agendas, toying with us to find cracks they can exploit?

    They unloaded everything they had at us, and we brushed it off like a frog fart...

    their goal is to keep people so spun up here that we don't notice emergencies like the virus coming from chemtrails, causing appendicitis attacks swamping hospitals in London...

    or the counter attack hitting Texas, imagine a Texan not able to eat a big ol char broiled steak...

    a tick bite that makes people deadly allergic to meat... hitting Texas

    I'm afraid the war between factions is intensifying, and very few are watching...

    but it's the 99% of us that are being affected...

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