Schrödinger's Cat Food

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Flash (here)
To finish my thinking in my post above, once a timeline is fixed, and the other probabilities rejected, those other probabilities still exist in terms of information that we may consult and learn from (they are mathematical probabilities after all, and can always be reproduced or studied), but they are not determinant anylonger for the evolution of the individual or of the specie or even of the part of the universe they are in. Nothing is loss for learning purpose, but definitely it is for evolution/reality /soul experiencing purpose. Freedom and Choices of the creators are respected throughout. This is my opinion based on no scientific studies , just on common sense.

We seem to be thinking right along the same lines Flash, only difference being I don't think (FWIW) that other probabilities are ever rejected in the over all scheme of things. They are only rejected by the individual making the decision to choose one probability over the others in the moment. Every probability that we even consider becomes it's own reality (IMO), it's own version of "us". Only "we" do not become a part of that particular reality, in lieu of having focused on a different one.

Not saying this is true by any means, but if you were Creator wishing to explore Itself, what better way to do it?

Posted by Limor (here)
Matter may 'take on the properties of both particles and wave' quoting from George Dvorsky, but it is our understanding of the nature of those two that changes everything, it was not what we thought it was.

The "Double Slit" experiment is a mind bender in and of itself isn't it Limor? I disagree with the idea put forth that the micro behaves differently than the macro, kind of turns "as above so below, as below so above" upside down doesn't it? (hmmmm) I think you're correct in that it's a matter of our understanding of the phenomena, and it's that understanding, or better yet (mis) understanding, that creates the divide.

One thing we do seem to know for sure is that observation is the key to it all, and that is something we can all certainly do, and experiment with ourselves.

[T Smith]

As I understand it, the many worlds represents infinite possibilities, including wining the lottery 50 times in a row. The idea of a universe existing where one wins the lottery 50 times in a row is scoffed at as counter-intuitive, but this possibility is nothing, odds-wise, compared to the possibility of an exact replica of yourself, including every detail of your life on Earth, existent elsewhere in another universe. The idea being, given infinite possibilities, an exact replica of yourself and every last moment that comprises the timeline of your current life on Earth must also exist in another universe somewhere, and moreover, in an infinite number or universes an infinite number of times. As I understand it, all these “worlds”, parallel universes/timelines, infinite possibilities, etc., all exist as an energy field outside 3d space/time. So they do exist, but not necessarily as the nervous systems of we humans presently experience our 3d reality. They exist as energy. At our present stage of development, consciousness experiences this energy field (which is itself) by collapsing that energy field to one universe in 3d space-time and measuring it though the filter of the human nervous system. As Fred observed above, this is an continual and ongoing process, measured in part by the choices we make moment by moment. The process is also analogous to how an electron of a hydrogen atom is measured by collapsing the wave function of the infinite positions of the electron’s position around the nucleus. Before consciousness observes the electron it is merely a “cloud” of infinite energy. Once it is measured that energy collapses to one electron around one nucleus and the infinite energy that remains is conserved as consciousness.

My own feeling is when this process becomes a function of the mind, e.g., when we can literally create reality with thought, we evolve to lighter density and a state of Christ-consciousness. At that point we likely don’t even need physical bodies anymore.

[araucaria]

There is one view (mine) whereby the many worlds theory might be seen as an apology, if not a ploy, for the “evil” agenda, for want of a better word, that we are combating. It evens up the odds of unacceptable acts taking place and makes one view them as being ultimately as legitimate as any others since every possible scenario is going to happen sometime somewhere.

Imagine for instance an either/or situation, a fork in the road where something appalling, say satanic child abuse, either happens or doesn’t. From that point on, exactly half of the new timelines will include that deed. In “The Garden of Forking Paths”, Borges has a character who describes these forking timelines, and insists to his friend that in one of them the latter is his enemy. (He only mentions one, which is hard enough to swallow, but there would likely be more than that.) And of course this is the timeline of the story, which goes on to explain the circumstances of the friendly fire that ensues.

The point I am trying to make with this fiction is that there is no valid reason to suppose that this future has to occur even once. The victim has in a sense just created it, or sensed the evil intent. Now there may be people in real life whose integrity is such that a negative outcome would never ever be an option. Through their actions certain possible timelines would become closed off. There are some things that most people would never ever dream of doing, most notably the behaviours that satanic rituals seek to inculcate.

I think this might be something we are here to do. What would be the point of clearing out just one timeline if it meant brushing all the undesirable events under the carpet of some other timeline? Remember, we are on those timelines too. Such a model leads to an amoral every-man-for-himself type of universe, a kind of macrocosm of what we mean by the term prison-planet. It seems to me perfectly conceivable that this is actually another way of deceiving people into thinking the forking timeline mechanism is the normal operation of a normal universe, rather than seeing it as a major symptom of a dysfunctional (archontic) universe.

This for me explains the wide interest in this planet at this time: this issue has been brushed aside for so long by all concerned, not just us earth humans, and there is nowhere to take it further without actually dealing with it once and for all. Which is where the timelines all stop/meet.

[T Smith]

Posted by araucaria (here)
There is one view (mine) whereby the many worlds theory might be seen as an apology, if not a ploy, for the “evil” agenda, for want of a better word, that we are combating. It evens up the odds of unacceptable acts taking place and makes one view them as being ultimately as legitimate as any others since every possible scenario is going to happen sometime somewhere.

Imagine for instance an either/or situation, a fork in the road where something appalling, say satanic child abuse, either happens or doesn’t. From that point on, exactly half of the new timelines will include that deed. In “The Garden of Forking Paths”, Borges has a character who describes these forking timelines, and insists to his friend that in one of them the latter is his enemy. (He only mentions one, which is hard enough to swallow, but there would likely be more than that.) And of course this is the timeline of the story, which goes on to explain the circumstances of the friendly fire that ensues.

The point I am trying to make with this fiction is that there is no valid reason to suppose that this future has to occur even once. The victim has in a sense just created it, or sensed the evil intent. Now there may be people in real life whose integrity is such that a negative outcome would never ever be an option. Through their actions certain possible timelines would become closed off. There are some things that most people would never ever dream of doing, most notably the behaviours that satanic rituals seek to inculcate.

I think this might be something we are here to do. What would be the point of clearing out just one timeline if it meant brushing all the undesirable events under the carpet of some other timeline? Remember, we are on those timelines too. Such a model leads to an amoral every-man-for-himself type of universe, a kind of macrocosm of what we mean by the term prison-planet. It seems to me perfectly conceivable that this is actually another way of deceiving people into thinking the forking timeline mechanism is the normal operation of a normal universe, rather than seeing it as a major symptom of a dysfunctional (archontic) universe.

This for me explains the wide interest in this planet at this time: this issue has been brushed aside for so long by all concerned, not just us earth humans, and there is nowhere to take it further without actually dealing with it once and for all. Which is where the timelines all stop/meet.

What's difficult for us humans, and especially us humans fighting the "evil agenda," so-to-speak, is embracing timelines/realities, etc., where there is no judgement of evil. The Satanic reality and every other horrific timeline is part of the continuum of reality. I certainly do not want to manifest these probabilities/possibilities, but at the same time I need to accept these realities as part of what is. I am by no means apologizing for it, and why they are part of What-Is is beyond my pay grade; but I do know I need to reserve judgment while I adamantly focus on the reality I wish to manifest in the world.

[araucaria]

@T Smith
Thank you for summing up the amoral (as opposed to immoral) position I am describing.

There are two ways of driving down a highway, and until highways become obsolete I will continue to frown upon anyone deliberately driving the wrong way. But it is not just me: they may do untold damage to others first, but if left unchecked, they themselves have a 0% chance of coming out alive. This is why we call it the “wrong” way, put up no entry signs and clamp down heavily on infringers. The highway code is a rulebook with a valid purpose; to enable safe driving for all. The universe is no different: you don’t have to go with the flow, but it soon becomes unmanageable for everyone if you don’t. Tearing up or otherwise ignoring the rulebook is no solution.

If this is beyond your pay grade, then I suggest you give yourself a promotion

[T Smith]

Posted by araucaria (here)
@T Smith
Thank you for summing up the amoral (as opposed to immoral) position I am describing.

There are two ways of driving down a highway, and until highways become obsolete I will continue to frown upon anyone deliberately driving the wrong way. But it is not just me: they may do untold damage to others first, but if left unchecked, they themselves have a 0% chance of coming out alive. This is why we call it the “wrong” way, put up no entry signs and clamp down heavily on infringers. The highway code is a rulebook with a valid purpose; to enable safe driving for all. The universe is no different: you don’t have to go with the flow, but it soon becomes unmanageable for everyone if you don’t. Tearing up or otherwise ignoring the rulebook is no solution.

If this is beyond your pay grade, then I suggest you give yourself a promotion

Indeed. Sometimes, for me, I find it helpful to meditate from an amoral perspective to better find moral solutions. And it is not always easy to get there, especially given the examples you provide. But I do agree there is a fine line between wallowing in escapism, indifference, acceptance, etc., and deliberately expanding one's perspective in search of that reality where the amoral/moral are one.

[good point]

To reckon the argument of free will versus determinism is nihilist. It's a false dilemma. It is the reason that resources to empirically argue are restricted by institutions.

[Sunny-side-up]

Have you calculated into the total possibility equation, that all that could be is/will be; this = there a female version of you Bill? and a male Kerry!

I do feel that all the energy that is in the Universe is in the one and only Atom, the one which is every-where, every-when and every-why that is; and all that is in that atom the Universe. We the conciseness inhabits the area outside of the atom (other dimension) our thoughts cause the atom to make yet more places to go (expansion of the Matrix, subdivision of the collective consciousness) So every act, every thought we make we dig our self's in. The way out is through the door to the other, outer dimension which is our self as one, no Atoms there we come from a place without matter and matrix.
Without Matter just the pure uncomplicated, unconfined energy
Sory if all that is a load of guff! just typing and splitting a few more time lines hehe! sorry not splitting creating!

I like and feel for justintime's view aswell

On a side note, I do believe anything that can happen will and does happen and one of our purposes in this realm is to exhaust all possibilities and to return home and decide if heaven is really heaven, or maybe we have found something better in the perfect version of our life. Maybe the point of everything is simply to create our own heaven or return home and thank God for being well God.

we as a collective are the God tho i think
This material realm/illusion is where we learn Love and emotions that's for sure