Did Jesus Really exist?

[seeker/reader]

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[Maunagarjana]

Here are a couple interviews that may be informative on this subject. I found them interesting at least. Not saying I agree with what they are saying really.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yuqwmMpV2oo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vKCKylOyfN0

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
And Here. http://messenger2.cjcmp.org/issa.html

Nocolas Notovitch was a Russian aristocrat, journalist and explorer who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch said that he traveled to Ladakh in India, that he had stayed at the Himis (or Hemis) Buddhist Monastery in Leh, and that while he was there, he learned or ancient records of the life of Jesus of Nazareth and found a Tibetan translation of the legend. He said he then employed translators and copied the book or scroll known as "The Life of Saint Issa," and he renamed his translation, The Unknown Life of Christ.

Peace

Free Ebook http://manybooks.net/titles/notovichn2928829288-8.html The Original Text of Nicolas Notovitch's 1887

The Vatican tried very hard to prevent Notovitch publishing his book. They attempted to bribe him. But he refused. He published his book only to disappear shortly afterwards. Never to be seen again.

Peace

HI all

would somebody download this book into here, so we can have a copy, cant get it to download.

warmest regards

roman

[Billy]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
And Here. http://messenger2.cjcmp.org/issa.html

Nocolas Notovitch was a Russian aristocrat, journalist and explorer who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch said that he traveled to Ladakh in India, that he had stayed at the Himis (or Hemis) Buddhist Monastery in Leh, and that while he was there, he learned or ancient records of the life of Jesus of Nazareth and found a Tibetan translation of the legend. He said he then employed translators and copied the book or scroll known as "The Life of Saint Issa," and he renamed his translation, The Unknown Life of Christ.

Peace

Free Ebook http://manybooks.net/titles/notovichn2928829288-8.html The Original Text of Nicolas Notovitch's 1887

The Vatican tried very hard to prevent Notovitch publishing his book. They attempted to bribe him. But he refused. He published his book only to disappear shortly afterwards. Never to be seen again.

Peace

Thank you for this! I will devour this book. It all rings true. I'm currently deeply researching this subject (which is why this thread is of quite some personal interest to me), and this book is exactly what I needed and wanted.

I've visited Hemis monastery in Ladakh myself -- a quite wonderful, magical place -- and also seen the claimed tomb of Youza Asouph/'Yuz Asaf' [Jesus?] in Srinagar.

This book is well worth a read also Bill. I purchased it when in India. Holger Kersten carried out some great research. $22 though, Ouch. Might be worth looking on Ebay.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lived-In.../dp/0143028294

[Billy]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
HI all

would somebody download this book into here, so we can have a copy, cant get it to download.

warmest regards

roman

Try this link Roman. You have a choice and can read it online also.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29288

or this http://archive.org/details/unknownli..._1210_librivox

[greybeard]

Jesus in India - Beyond Belief Documentary

See Frank's other films at http://www.beyondmefilm.com

The life, Death and Tomb of Jesus are proofs that Jesus was only a Humble Prophet of God, Not the Son of God, Was Crucified but Survived Crucifixion, Migrated to Asia to teach the Lost Tribes of Israel and Died like a Normal Human Being in Kashmir India.

Visit http://www.tombofjesus.com to know more about this Truth.
Visit http://www.alislam.org to know more about the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UNRLKDLJnX0

Its a good documentary but you can find proof for virtually any belief you have.

Chris

[Christine]

You can now download from the Avalon server (too):

http://projectavalon.net/The_Unknown...ovich_1890.pdf

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
HI all

would somebody download this book into here, so we can have a copy, cant get it to download.

warmest regards

roman

Try this link Roman. You have a choice and can read it online also.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29288

or this http://archive.org/details/unknownli..._1210_librivox

[Mike]

funny clip...and relevant. this guy Maher is hilarious. one of my hero's:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fyWYpdCpF6M

I think another poster made this point, but towards the end of this clip, Maher speaks with the Jesus actor, and points out how unoriginal the Jesus story is. there's osirus, horus, mithra etc...some were carpenters, know as the 'lamb', the 'light', the 'way', born on dec 25th to a virgin, died and resurrected etc...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=h5ACyiSPAmE

[Octavusprime]

The man Jesus in the bible is most likely based on many people from many cultures. A story told by many cultures over the history of man.

Part one of the documentary Zeitgeist the movie, makes some claims of this.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yJaV-IuYHeA

The documentary is slow at times but the information is well stated in my opinion. Part one describes how the bible is just perfecting a story that has been told since the beginning. It goes back to Pagan times and our worship of the sun.

[kreagle]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I changed the title of the thread. If you study the Nag Hammadi scrolls, unearthed in 1945 and extensively researched since then, and also read The Jesus Papers by Michael Baigent, you will be left in no doubt that Jesus was a historical person.

The story of his life (and what he taught and stood for) was extensively changed and/or covered up by the early Church, who had an agenda of their own. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, it's the 'Jesus' as is now taught to kids in Sunday School who 'never existed'.

Rather than that manicured and invented character, another one actually did exist -- the real Jesus -- and it might be important for us to understand what he was saying and why it was so important that so many of his real words were meticulously excised from history.

Did Jesus Really exist?

This 'question' continues to rage in the hearts of men, with 'each side',....the 'majority',......and.....the 'minority' convinced that they 'know the answer!'

Now,.....a voice from the 'minority'

Bill,

You'll notice that I highlighted your post where you referred to the early Church, who had an agenda of their own. By the term 'early' I sense you are referring to the Roman Catholic Church, to which I completely concur with your analysis. The Roman Catholic Church might have been recognized as an 'early' Church,.....but certainly not the 'original' Church, which was founded on the 'original' Apostle's Doctrine, ( Acts 2:42). Catholicism was, indeed, founded with 'an agenda of their own' , which was to systematically destroy the 'original' Church's doctrine. Their introduction of the 'doctine of a trinity', along with their blatant changing of the 'baptismal formula' that was consistently practised by the 'original' Apostles, ( Acts 2:38), began a long process of 'changing,...eliminating,....and alterations' that many are referring to, here.


Did Jesus Really exist?


Yes, He did, ( and does),.....NOT the Catholic version,.....but the 'original' Apostle's version,....ONE God in Christ Jesus, reconciling the world back to Himself!

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Not only 'did He exist',.....but He existed even 'before existence began!'

Revelation 22:11-13 (KJV)

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

As I said, earlier, this viewpoint comes from the 'minority',.....always has, and always will. Catholicism continues to 'fool the majority',.....but cannot fool those who are 'hungry in the heart' and really want to know!

Did Jesus Really exist?


Well,....it depends on which 'side' you are on!


Your brother, friend, and servant,.....kreagle

[Aurelius]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Yes, I'm downloading it all now. That's how we all learn, and I'm happy to watch it. I'll do that tonight.

But a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. The questions below are really important, and the research needed to answer them is deeper and more complex than can be summarized in just one YouTube video: -->

• Who was Jesus, really?
• What were his actual teachings?
• Why was he so controversial, and such a threat to the establishment?
• Why were so many historical documents of that time burned and banned? (Which they absolutely were.)
• What was and is the agenda of the Roman Church?
• Why did they erase so much from history, and grossly alter the rest?

A pro RV task team made a few probing sessions into Jesus. They confirmed with 100% certainty he did exist, however as Bill states above, all is not what we have been led to believe, there is strong evidence of suppression and doctoring of truth / information over time.

These sessions provided some interesting insights:

Jesus of Nasareth conception
Jesus of Nasareth at the time of the crucifixion
Jesus of Nasareth at the time of his death

[marlowe]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Here are a couple interviews that may be informative on this subject. I found them interesting at least. Not saying I agree with what they are saying really.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vKCKylOyfN0

I have read KING JESUS by Ralph Ellis and I believe his book tells the story of the REAL Jesus...

who was born circa 15 AD and led the revolt against Rome and was captured by Vespasian's army in 75 AD..when

Jerusalem fell......It looks like elements of his life were used to create the fictional New Testament story...

I regret that KING JESUS is not a best seller....

[ghostrider]

the one your looking for is named Immanuel, history invented the name Jesus ... he was a real person ... born feb 2 ... survived the crucifiction, lived to be 120 yrs old and had wife and two children , lived out his final days in India ... his father was a plejaren named gabriel and an earth female named mary ...the tomb he was placed in had a hidden passage, shaman healed his wounds and off to India he went ... truth is always corrupted, we change it to fit our comfort zone ... has anyone read the conversation between an ET named asket and billy meier ??? ET took him back to the year 32 and he met and spoke with Immanuel ... everything you could want to know about has been given to mankind already, in 16,000 pages of 68 years of face to face contact with ET's that supervise earth ...

[Another1]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
Personally I don't think it really matters whether a guy named Yeshua ever roamed the Earth or not. What I would hope we all can agree on is that there is a "Christ Consciousness" so to speak, and that state is attainable by all.

No matter the origin of say, "seek and you will find", it's darn good advice regardless of where it came from.

I saw this message injected into society twice through books. One called The Impersonal Life in the mid-80s and another called Christ In You in the mid-90s.

I agree with you 100% ~ focus on the message provides more fruit than debating the details of the messenger

[marlowe]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Here are a couple interviews that may be informative on this subject. I found them interesting at least. Not saying I agree with what they are saying really.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yuqwmMpV2oo

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I found this interview stunning.....IMO it proves that the New Testament gospels are fiction......

[Wind]

In this blog post Dolores Cannon tells that Jesus travelled to India, Egypt and ancient Britain:
http://www.blog.dolorescannon.com/je...ries-miracles/

I wonder about the theory of his bloodlines? Maybe there still are people who are related to him.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Paul, I am not sure if you have read Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill? The basic idea is that the New Testament was written by the Romans (specifically, Josephus) to create a new religion for the Jews to follow which would be more "love and peace" and less "fight the Romans". Atwill points out the very many parallels between the specific events of the Wars of the Jews (history written by Josephus) and the events of the ministry of Jesus. In other words, the Romans wrote the life of Jesus as a parody of historical events.

It's a real doozy of a theory, but very well researched. Atwill is highly intelligent and (thus far) has rebutted many critiques from conventional/Christian historians on his website.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
Paul, I am not sure if you have read Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill?

I had not read it ... glancing at it now.

Here's the book on Amazon: Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus by Joseph Atwill

Here's a Red Ice interview with him:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yuqwmMpV2oo

[Vitalux]

Great response Paul---and yes it is an interesting phenomena with the similarities of the story of Jesus and life of Julius Ceasar--there are many remarkable similarities that came be interpreted as such.

Most cultures around the world have some sort of Jesus figure mythology that they can infer many of life's grandiose and memorable or even catastrophic events from.

He could be an allegory or a compilation of many human desires/attributes---after all what better way is there to remember or pass down a story thru the millenia than attribute it to a human figure capable of great deeds.
Yes there may have been a person that existed during that timeline--but was he truly capable of these miracles?--or is this the best way to explain certain events and record them in all the historical documents?
What I am getting at is---we have amnesia--and really don't know--we can speculate or postulate anything.
Where do we draw the line in the sand and say--he was myth or he was fact?---do we always believe 100% of what we read? Or to use a term that could provoke heated opposition --Do We believe everything we read as GOSPEL(the symbolic language term that most use as denoting purity and complete truth)

We seem to have this ardent desire in our human psyche to take verbatim what another has said--or researched instead of weighing the options and formatting our own conclusions that fit with our own mental framework.

We cannot stand on the shoulders of others who tell us this is what you should believe---the human condition precludes this when one has come to the realization we have been basing our actions and ideas on someone else s thoughts and we waken to the knowledge that is inherently within.(taken from an internal and spiritual soul connection with the infinite knowledge)

[BrianEn]

According to Bob Dean he was real. I don't tend to put much stock in religion, but what do I know. I'd like to believe there was someone like that. I love questions like this. I'll start asking myself what do I believe?. Not that what I believe is actually true it's just I love the exercise.